I meant to say "my Win2K system puked" (don't know why the 'but' was in
there)
What a funny analogy. No I probably would not buy from an IC company
that had your list, but MS doesn't have that either. Will you Win2K
system ever 'deactivate' on you for any reason? No. Why do you bother
putting it on you list? That's not fair to them.
Just about every company that end-of-lifes an IC (except for Intel and
AMD microprocessors) will ultimately cause this to occur:
1. Have brokers be the only source and the price will rise. (I'm
thinking Moto 68901)
(AMD and Intel seem to hit rock bottom always:80486 $10)
2. The new part isn't a drop in replacement and requires a new board
layout and new code to do the same thing as your old chip (I'm thinking
PLX PCI parts here)
3. Stop supporting the old chip (everyone does this. Hey Intel, I'm
having trouble with a boot loader on my 8080A)
Ivan, we use what we need to use. I don't particularly 'like' MS, but
they are the OS that happens to support software I want to run. Like
I've said before, the OS is so secondary to the apps. My investment is
in apps, not OS. I just want the OS to 'not bring attention to itself'
and by that I mean: run, don't crash, don't get in my way when I'm
running apps.
I checked out OS2 way back and it was pretty nice, but apps and drivers
and....it wasn't there for me. Linux is the same story right now. It
might be superior, so what. Can I design circuits on it, and write code
for handful of processors and do whatever else I want to and not have to
re-invest a boatload of cash? I doubt it.
Yeah I have a Mac too and it's got problems not unlike MS. Funny how Mac
OS-X can't put a G4 into sleep mode and recover properly. All Mac, all
day.
In fact today I was looking at a different email client (for windows)
just to see what's out there and I came across www.isbister.com I'm
going to check it out. I hate the way Outlook handles junk email
filters. They just plain suck. Is pocomail better? How about Netscape's
mail tool? Maybe, but I don't have all day to relearn an entire system,
so I do it a small step at a time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:18 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT Office WAS: Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
Office XP, no way! OpenOffice is pretty good, and is free. StarOffice
is the same thing, but costs (way less than Office) and has a database
program.
We use Office 2000 and it is the last Office version we will be using.
Likewise W2K is our last M$ OS. I don't really have too many gripes
about it, but I am trying to break the M$ stranglehold. It's not
healthy to be so dependent on one company's products. You might argue
that one is dependent on many companies for one particular product (such
as a sole-source chip). But what if that chip company could do this:
1) discontinue the chip
2) raise the price for a replacement chip
3) make the new chip slightly incompatible with the former chip, forcing
you to redesign some of your system hardware and software
4) make the new chip unable to talk to competitor's chips
5) make the new chip require the purchase of other support chips from
the same company
6) stop supporting the old chip
7) deactivate all the old chips in existing systems in use in the field
8) deactivate itself once a year until a yearly "maintenance" fee is
paid
9) report its system information and usage profiles to the company or
any third party so designated by the company
10) automatically upgrade itself at request of the company, causing
unpredictable failures and service outages
11) was the target of virus-writers and hackers worldwide
12) came with a EULA that absolved the company of all responsibility of
any kind, and that EULA changes with each new patch or upgrade to bestow
ever-increasing rights upon the company and ever-diminishing rights upon
the user
If a chip company did this, you wouldn't use their chips, would you?
Note: some of the above may not apply to XPpro. Yet.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
> Not identical!
>
> For some very odd reason, but Win2K system puked and when I tried to
> repair, replace, (your favorite) MS activity here) it would NOT come
> back to life. Yeah, even trying to re-install via the CD ended up with
> BSODs (blue screen of death).
>
> I whipped out my WinXPPro CD and installed that. Wow...looks great,
> runs great, installed on a machine that Win2K refused to install on.
> (even though I had been running Win2K for that past couple years)
>
> Computers!!! Arrrrggggg....
>
> I like WinXPPro a lot. Office XP has also fixed up a bunch of little
> things that used to bug me.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
>
>
> Get WinXP Pro. No activation thingy. Wait a sec, other than the
> graphics, it's identical to Win2K Pro, but double the price. You are
> right, Microsoft is a P___k.
>
> ____________
> Brian Guralnick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
>
>
> | > Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in
> | > the
> | first
> | > place?
> |
> | Well, it's not like you have a choice! When you go to buy any
> | packaged PC system, all you can get is Windows XP. You want W2K,
> | too bad! You want Linux, too bad! The only way to get a different
> | OS on your PC is to build your own PC from parts, or have one built
> | by a local PC shop. Or maybe you can wipe XP from a new PC and
> | install W2K
>
> | or Linux. But you still have paid the Microsoft tax if your machine
> | came with XP.
> |
> | The Microsoft tax is alive and well despite all of the anti-trust
> | findings. Note that Micrsoft has been found to be a monopoly and
> | that some of its business practices have been found to be unfair.
> | This is a fact. It's just that nothing has been done about it - no
> | remedy has
>
> | been enacted and enforced. I have absolutely zero confidence in the
> | gov't prosecution of Microsoft.
> |
> | DOJ: Bill, we find you guilty of maintaining your OS monopoly
> | through
>
> | unfair business practices Bill G.: So?
> | DOJ: Oh, no problem, we just wanted to let you know.
> |
> | IMO, Microsoft is digging it's own grave faster than ever. The
> | "activation" in their new software is the shovel. I used to want
> | the gov't to stop Microsoft monopoly tactics, but now that Microsoft
> | is digging fast, I don't want someone telling them to slow down or
> | use a less effective shovel.
> |
> | FYI: I recently installed Suse 7.3 Linux on my home PC (dual boot
> | W98SE and Suse). It was an easy install except for the PnP ISA
> | modem which I had to configure manually. The Konquerer browser was
> | well integrated with multimedia apps (MP3 player, etc) in KDE
> | desktop. Printing is still not good under Linux - everything I tried
> | to print to my HP P1000 printer looked awful compared to printing
> | from within Windows. What is it with Linux geeks - don't they want
> | beautiful printouts, too? I guess they just want kernel source code
> | printouts on their fanfold tractor paper ;-) The KDE desktop
> | reminds me more of
>
> | an Apple GUI, not Windows. Why make a geek thing
> | (Linux) look like an anti-geek thing (Apple GUI)?
> |
> | Since XP is the current thing for those who buy new PCs, I wonder if
> | Protel is testing for XP compatibility?
> |
> | Best regards,
> | Ivan Baggett
> | Bagotronix Inc.
> | website: www.bagotronix.com
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Sean James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:57 PM
> | Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
> |
> |
> | > Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in
> | > the
> | first
> | > place?
> | > Sean James
> | > PCB Designer
> | > Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
> | > 102 Grove Street
> | > Worcester, MA 01605
> | > (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
> | > (FAX) 413.541.6170
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > To: "proteledaforum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:46 AM
> | > Subject: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
> | >
> | >
> | > I attempted to find a faq for this forum but failed. I hope this
> | > question has not been over-asked. I have a new PC with WinXP home,
> | > when Protel 99 se is installed. XP help
> | and
> | > support fails to run. System info fails to run, sfc /scannow fails
> | > to run.
> | A
> | > comlete format and re-install is required to get these items
> | > operational again and they fail immediately when Protel 99 se is
> | > installed. I know
> | that
> | > the Protel site shows Win 2000 compatibility and not XP but does
> | > anyone
> | know
> | > a workaround for the problems with XP?
> | > Or has anyone else experienced the same problems but do not know a
> | > workaround?
> | >
> | > Regards
> | >
> | > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > Posted from Association web site by: Derek Ellis
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
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