Hi Peder,

I'll give one of their state side reps a call when I have some time.  I have
to find something to replace my 99SE with.

Thanks for yourt input on the package.  I take it your very happy with it?
I'll keep that it mind.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:26 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms

Hi Craig.

It's unbelieveable (ofcourse I believe you), - this is not like them.

Prices depend on the size of the package, - there are various to chose
I'd suggest you contact your local reseller or directly the people in UK.
If you wan't me to, I can arrange that you are being contacted, - just let
me know...


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Craig Elison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sendt: 4. september 2002 16:14
Til: Protel EDA Forum
Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms

You say these people are very serious about their product.  I'm not sure.  I
found their web site the 20th of February.  They were offering a free
schematic capture.  I downloaded it and sent in an email to get the key.  I
never got it back.  Even after several emails.  Your comments interested me.
I'm ready to dump Protel 99SE and I will not got to DXP.  So I hit their
site this morning after I saw your reply.

First thing is see is they ended the free schematic in March.  Still waiting
for the key requested in Feb!  Price is a big factor for me so the next
thing I looked for was their pricing.  I went to the sales link.  No pricing
I could find.  I went to "More Information".  Using their site index for
"Prices", "Trade-in Prices" and "Upgrade Prices" got "Page Not Found"
errors.  I'll keep an eye on them, but I'm not going to even try their demo
if I don't know the pricing before hand.  I could fall in love with it and
then find I can't afford it.  I also would have wasted my time evaluating
the demo.  I also didn't find any info on tech support.  Do they have phone
support?  They are in the UK, but I see they have a rep or two in the

A unhappy Protel user

-----Original Message-----
From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:20 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms

Do yourself a favour:

Take a look at the relative new tool called PULSONIX (www.pulsonix.com)

Those guys are very serious and the package is low priced but with very good
functionality and not to forget: Very stable.

In addition, if a user finds a bug (it is software though) and reports it,
it is usually fixed within a few hours (and this is the fact) and the user
receives the updated files. This is the customer care you always has been
looking for.

The Pulsonix EDA tool imports design files AND library files from a lot of
other EDA tools, and this also works perfectly.

>From a former Protel VAR

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sendt: 4. september 2002 14:48
Til: Protel EDA Forum
Emne: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms

    Dennis and Waldemar wrote

>here is one more guy who want to know what you will find out looking for
other EDA Software.
The Programs I found where either very expensive (unpayable for me) <

Here is what I have found so far:

Orcad PCB:  users satisfied with Orcad until Cadence purchased Orcad .
OrCad PCB may have licensed routing code and "other" code from Protel and
vice versa, The interfaces are very similar.  Also similar in functionality
and price, and features.  Protel 99SE has an edge with more layers,
generally more capability.  Both are in the same price range.  Both are good
capable programs.  Cadence has not done much to improve ORCAD layout since
purchasing it.   Don't look for good support from Orcad unless you plan to
drop Orcad layout and upgrade to Cadence tools.   Orcad also shares the same

buggy autorouter, but the Orcad users I talked to don't know the difference.
Maybe Orcad debugged their router.  If you want to make OrCad work properly,
you need Spectra.

PADS/INOVEDA/now MENTOR:   Lets face it this is DOS code dressed up to look
like a windows program  the same approach that Acad did with their programs.
It is fairly stable.  Commands are awkward, looks like it was designed by
Unix programmers.  While awkward and limited,  it is still a good program.
I have seen droves, herds, packs, groups, and all    of PADS users switch to
Cadence in the past year.   Maybe they made a mistake and should have
switched to MENTOR.     To get a real working setup of "PADs" be ready to
spend some money.   I doubt if you can seriously do any PCB work (equal to
99SE) for under 30K.      Their new router is fair,   lets face it Spectra
is still king of the hill.    I don't know what MENTOR was thinking buying
this Product from  Inoveda.  They were going out of business anyway, so why
pay for any money for them.    (Sounds like the Accel deal)    PADS offers
less features at a higher price than MENTORs EXPEDITON did, I'm  not sure
how Mentor plans to sell a program with less features at a higher price.
( did I repeat myself,  sounds like the Accel deal again)

MENTOR EXPEDITION:  Guys and Gals   This is the real McCoy of Software.
This is the program everybody but me should be using, This is the yardstick
that all tools should be measured to.   So why cant I use it ?     Be cause
I cant import a netlist into it.  That is a major hurdle for design bureaus,
since we get netlist different sch packages . If your design is in house,
both schematics and  pcb.  There is no better tool.   OK you say you cant
afford it?  36K with all the bells and whistles.  Don't look at how much the
tool cost but how much you will save when things are working the way they
should.  This tool will actually save you money     This is VERIBEST
software, which I saw several years ago,   it was good then and it is better
now.  I have not seen anything better , period.

INTERCEPT:   I just spent a few minutes on the phone yesterday with the rep.
BUZZZZZZZZZZ  drop them to the gator trap!  They use Spectra  for routing.
OK Spectra is good.   If you couple Spectra with Protel,  you can probably
do a board as good as any piece of software out there  except the MENTOR

Cadence:   See INTERCEPTcomments with Spectra.   Same old trick another day
with Spectra.  Lets face it if Cadence didn't purchase this software they
would have folded years ago.

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