The issue with IDEs is that you cannot force users to use them. In the atmosphere where people use Eclipse on a daily basis command lines and commands should not be a problem at all.
For classic web development there are only a few people really using Eclipse. Eclipse may be cool for Java developers. But this is just one group. To reach all people without dictating them what tools to use it may be better to start of directly without forcing them to use any specific type of IDE, application, shell, etc. A precompiled package could solve all these issues at once. And when people really like to start with application development to get the application production ready there will be a transition guide. After thinking about this I really enjoy such a way. Just miss the time to do it myself right away :) Sebastian Siarhei Barysiuk schrieb: > Hello, > > I read all messages of this thread and I formed the own opinion. > > Well, qooxdoo toolchain is really great feature which contains all > what you need for a real production application. That's true, > that's the way of qooxdoo team and I'm fully with them. It's a little > bit nontraditional way to work with web application and it can confuse > new users. > > But I thought about one thing. What would have happened if we had > written Eclipse plug-in which hides all details of build process. All what > you need it, it specity qooxdoo-sdk installation and start new project and > press a button at the end. In this case we would have the powerful command > line toolchain and the high level integration with GUI for new users (and for > old ones as well). > It's also can be integrated with QXDT. > > What do new users think about it? > > It does not mean that we don't need to have qx.js with all classes (just > for evaluation). > > It's just my point - we need to have good IDE integration. It will > solve a lot of > problems for new users. > > Best regards, > Siarhei Barysiuk > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Tino Butz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just an idea for qooxdoo to make things easier: >> >> You could just write a Python script, that covers about 90% of things a >> normal user would do with the generator, place it in the root directory of >> the skeleton, so that all the beginners (or not power users) could execute >> this script (as long as they do not change the naming of the standard folder >> hierarchy). >> >> For windows user you could even use >> >> http://www.py2exe.org/ >> >> to generate an exe-file from the python script (never tried this before, >> just found it and thought it is a good idea (if it works ;) ). So no need >> for windows user to install python when the want to start from the beginning >> with qooxdoo and do not want to lack from the optimization that offers >> qooxdoo. >> >> I guess even beginners, using windows, could execute an .exe file to do all >> the basic generation of the scripts. >> >> In my opinion the qooxdoo tool chain is really the most difficult step for >> starters to begin with qooxdoo. Would be nice to keep it simple in the >> beginning. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tino >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >> prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> _______________________________________________ >> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > qooxdoo-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
