Siarhei Barysiuk schrieb: > I'm not big fan of Eclipse but if we would have build > integration/project creator/real autocompletion/package > navigation/structure view/doc view/, > I would move to Ecplise for my qx projects definitely. I think a lot > of users as well. > > Precompiled package works only in case of simple applications. But I > would not to > consider this as way for real production application. It's a toy.
Maybe not a toy, but a good tool for evaluation proposes. The half an hour to setup qooxdoo after the evaluation should not be the deal. Sebastian > > Siarhei > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Sebastian Werner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The issue with IDEs is that you cannot force users to use them. In the >> atmosphere where people use Eclipse on a daily basis command lines and >> commands should not be a problem at all. >> >> For classic web development there are only a few people really using >> Eclipse. Eclipse may be cool for Java developers. But this is just one >> group. To reach all people without dictating them what tools to use it >> may be better to start of directly without forcing them to use any >> specific type of IDE, application, shell, etc. A precompiled package >> could solve all these issues at once. And when people really like to >> start with application development to get the application production >> ready there will be a transition guide. After thinking about this I >> really enjoy such a way. Just miss the time to do it myself right away :) >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> Siarhei Barysiuk schrieb: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I read all messages of this thread and I formed the own opinion. >>> >>> Well, qooxdoo toolchain is really great feature which contains all >>> what you need for a real production application. That's true, >>> that's the way of qooxdoo team and I'm fully with them. It's a little >>> bit nontraditional way to work with web application and it can confuse >>> new users. >>> >>> But I thought about one thing. What would have happened if we had >>> written Eclipse plug-in which hides all details of build process. All what >>> you need it, it specity qooxdoo-sdk installation and start new project and >>> press a button at the end. In this case we would have the powerful command >>> line toolchain and the high level integration with GUI for new users (and >>> for >>> old ones as well). >>> It's also can be integrated with QXDT. >>> >>> What do new users think about it? >>> >>> It does not mean that we don't need to have qx.js with all classes (just >>> for evaluation). >>> >>> It's just my point - we need to have good IDE integration. It will >>> solve a lot of >>> problems for new users. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Siarhei Barysiuk >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Tino Butz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Just an idea for qooxdoo to make things easier: >>>> >>>> You could just write a Python script, that covers about 90% of things a >>>> normal user would do with the generator, place it in the root directory of >>>> the skeleton, so that all the beginners (or not power users) could execute >>>> this script (as long as they do not change the naming of the standard >>>> folder >>>> hierarchy). >>>> >>>> For windows user you could even use >>>> >>>> http://www.py2exe.org/ >>>> >>>> to generate an exe-file from the python script (never tried this before, >>>> just found it and thought it is a good idea (if it works ;) ). So no need >>>> for windows user to install python when the want to start from the >>>> beginning >>>> with qooxdoo and do not want to lack from the optimization that offers >>>> qooxdoo. >>>> >>>> I guess even beginners, using windows, could execute an .exe file to do all >>>> the basic generation of the scripts. >>>> >>>> In my opinion the qooxdoo tool chain is really the most difficult step for >>>> starters to begin with qooxdoo. Would be nice to keep it simple in the >>>> beginning. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Tino >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >>>> challenge >>>> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >>>> prizes >>>> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >>>> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >>> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >>> prizes >>> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >>> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> _______________________________________________ >> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > qooxdoo-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
