I'm not big fan of Eclipse but if we would have build integration/project creator/real autocompletion/package navigation/structure view/doc view/, I would move to Ecplise for my qx projects definitely. I think a lot of users as well.
Precompiled package works only in case of simple applications. But I would not to consider this as way for real production application. It's a toy. Siarhei On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Sebastian Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The issue with IDEs is that you cannot force users to use them. In the > atmosphere where people use Eclipse on a daily basis command lines and > commands should not be a problem at all. > > For classic web development there are only a few people really using > Eclipse. Eclipse may be cool for Java developers. But this is just one > group. To reach all people without dictating them what tools to use it > may be better to start of directly without forcing them to use any > specific type of IDE, application, shell, etc. A precompiled package > could solve all these issues at once. And when people really like to > start with application development to get the application production > ready there will be a transition guide. After thinking about this I > really enjoy such a way. Just miss the time to do it myself right away :) > > Sebastian > > > Siarhei Barysiuk schrieb: >> Hello, >> >> I read all messages of this thread and I formed the own opinion. >> >> Well, qooxdoo toolchain is really great feature which contains all >> what you need for a real production application. That's true, >> that's the way of qooxdoo team and I'm fully with them. It's a little >> bit nontraditional way to work with web application and it can confuse >> new users. >> >> But I thought about one thing. What would have happened if we had >> written Eclipse plug-in which hides all details of build process. All what >> you need it, it specity qooxdoo-sdk installation and start new project and >> press a button at the end. In this case we would have the powerful command >> line toolchain and the high level integration with GUI for new users (and for >> old ones as well). >> It's also can be integrated with QXDT. >> >> What do new users think about it? >> >> It does not mean that we don't need to have qx.js with all classes (just >> for evaluation). >> >> It's just my point - we need to have good IDE integration. It will >> solve a lot of >> problems for new users. >> >> Best regards, >> Siarhei Barysiuk >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Tino Butz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just an idea for qooxdoo to make things easier: >>> >>> You could just write a Python script, that covers about 90% of things a >>> normal user would do with the generator, place it in the root directory of >>> the skeleton, so that all the beginners (or not power users) could execute >>> this script (as long as they do not change the naming of the standard folder >>> hierarchy). >>> >>> For windows user you could even use >>> >>> http://www.py2exe.org/ >>> >>> to generate an exe-file from the python script (never tried this before, >>> just found it and thought it is a good idea (if it works ;) ). So no need >>> for windows user to install python when the want to start from the beginning >>> with qooxdoo and do not want to lack from the optimization that offers >>> qooxdoo. >>> >>> I guess even beginners, using windows, could execute an .exe file to do all >>> the basic generation of the scripts. >>> >>> In my opinion the qooxdoo tool chain is really the most difficult step for >>> starters to begin with qooxdoo. Would be nice to keep it simple in the >>> beginning. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tino >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >>> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >>> prizes >>> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >>> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> _______________________________________________ >> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > qooxdoo-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
