On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:56 AM, Jean-Philippe Ouellet <j...@vt.edu> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:26 PM, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-devel > <qubes-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> On Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:11:02 CET Unman wrote: >>> As far as trimming the templates, there is some scope for this, but one >>> of the problems is that people want what THEY like. Look at issue 1781 for >>> a great example of this. >> >> A bit off-topic here, but relevant to the templates debate going into the >> future; >> in the commonly accepted idea of having a template-download-manager (i.e. >> dropping RPM dependency) I'd be in favour of a system where a bare-bones >> template is shipped by the qubes team and then a standardized application is >> added on each of those templates to continue the install _inside_ of the >> template using something like tasksel (but obviously something more mature >> with a pretty GUI). >> Doing things like setting the nearest download location (mirror) can be done >> there too. >> >> Bottom line, I'm a fan of bare-bones templates. >> Because in practice, you always will end up downloading more from the >> internet anyway. > > +1 > > I've long wondered why we bother shipping templates in the same image > anyway, since in reality the first thing a user should do after e.g. > downloading and installing R3.2 is download new templates and remove > the EOL fedora-24 ones.
And FWIW, I don't know how brand new users can be reasonably expected to know that they even *should* do this. IMHO it's not a good first impression. > Hence, many gb of the 3.2 release iso seem to > be rather useless, and bringing up a new system needs several > additional gb of downloading after installation right now anyway. > > If release ISOs were put out more frequently then it'd be a different > story, but right now (and for most of the lifetime of any given latest > Qubes release) the templates that you download with the latest stable > Qubes release ISOs are in a sense just a waste of bandwidth (and a > waste for everyone, not just those who wish to use only fedora or > debian). > > IMHO a minimal base release ISO with only dom0 and a minimal template > to bootstrap whichever (currently supported!) templates you wish to > use seems like a better system install model. Additionally, separate > ISOs with the latest templates could be released separately (and more > frequently) which could also be burned to immutable media, and this > would allow one to bootstrap a non-EOL Qubes system without internet > access (something not currently possible). > > Implementing what I've just described (and solving #2063 in the > process) has long been on my personal Qubes to-do list, but alas... > free time is scarce these days. My sincere thanks to all those > actually implementing things and solving problems while I sit here > ranting on the mailing list instead of sending patches ;) > > Regards, > Jean-Philippe > > [1]: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2063 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-devel@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-devel/CABQWM_Bng1zJ%3DH%3Dau8B51W1jn%3D29P2zzAZUJgiB8s-Ah-dPPag%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
