On Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:06:53 CET Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> fedora-26, as default template for AppVMs, contains default user
> applications, like Firefox, Thunderbird. Shipping a _desktop_ operating
> system without web browser isn't going to work...

I understand the argument, and I see you make a lot of sense.

On the other hand there are a lot of little practical issues with this.
For instance; firefox has a 2-monthly releas cycle
https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
which makes any release from Qubes (on DVD) outdated really fast.

I would guess people would suggest new qubes users would need to always keep 
up-to-date, by downloading the latest from the internet.

So in reality you end up shipping a firefox and various other large packages 
which will be deleted hours after being installed because they are outdated 
and possibly a security risk.

For 4.1 it would be nice to have a better process in place, like I described 
earlier in this thread. So we can avoid shipping something on valuable DVD 
space that the user will never actually use.
-- 
Tom Zander
Blog: https://zander.github.io
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