>
> the 100k quoted was unrelated to your figures ;)
>
Ok cool, just making sure I wasn't the source. ;)
<OpinionatedRant>
For record I have personally seen recruiter margins of 33% ph on contracts
and heard of horror stories of higher.
My main bugbear is lack of transparency... if you don't know what something
costs then you can't determine its worth very easily or perhaps at all.
Of course, this is not like buying a box of oranges! This is a human being
who works with you... after a while you talk and the margin is uncovered
and everyone usually gets pissed off.
We all want to create better software? recruiter margins won't help... they
can cause unexpected retention problems for starters (usually angst due to
uneven pay rates with those employed directly).
So I think in most cases the value proposition for recruiters is pretty
weak... very weak if you have a strong network.
I think Ben made a lot of valid points about the problems of percentage
based commission. That frog creek article is worth a read... It may explain
some of the strange agent behaviour from the larger agencies, and why some
smaller interdependent higher quality recruiters are able to stand out
(Ash, Steve et al.).
If you are hiring, why not work out what direct recruitment costs? then
spend the remainder on better tools, R&D, a new coffee machine, decent
chairs... an in house recruitment resource? dev time on open source
projects? developer pay? In office Jacuzzi? Huge inflatable Richard
Stallman? TL;DR. ...probably stating the obvious here...
Ok maybe not the Jacuzzi. ;)
Your customers and developers will love you for it.
</OpinionatedRant>
Over and out,
Stonie.
P.S: The best bit: When they know you won't use them they _eventually_ stop
calling. it's bliss. ;D
* Andrew Stone *+61 (0)412 488 251
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*
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On 19 July 2012 13:14, David Goodlad <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19/07/2012, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Stone wrote:
>
> > Guys, earlier in the thread... the 100K quoted was just an example to
> make the percentage maths easy, not indicative of the market... just a
> tactic to avoid wasting brain cycles. :)
>
> … and later in the thread, unless I severely misunderstood Owen's post,
> the 100k quoted was unrelated to your figures ;)
>
> Dave
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