Teach Johnny and Billy about Jesus, and they wont want to shoot each
other.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Cmndr. Jeff Mayhew
Outpost 72 - Brockton, MA
Southern New England District
On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:55:05 -0400 "Keith Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Young believers everywhere are committing the worldly sin called
> suicide.
> This does not mean that I am not going to talk about it. The
> problem with
> guns today is that no one wants to talk about it and parents ARE NOT
> talking
> about it with their children. If you want the problem to go away,
> educate
> the children. Johnny shoots Billy because he wants to see what will
> happen.
> If Johnny had been educated, he would know what would happen and not
> be
> curious any more. Educate, Educate, Educate.
> Keith Brooks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mayhew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 05 23 00 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [RR] *About Rangers and guns.. WATCH-IT!
>
>
> >Question:
> >
> >What do guns and swords have to to with the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
> Is
> >this topic going to get people saved, or edify existing believers?
> Why
> >are we as Commanders wasting time discussing things of this world
> instead
> >of discussing the things of God?
> >
> >I think this whole gun debate has gotten out of hand and we need to
> find
> >a new topic to discuss. Who's with me?
> >
> >
> >Cmndr. Jeff Mayhew
> >Outpost 72 - Brockton, MA
> >Southern New England District
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >On Tue, 23 May 2000 08:41:15 -0600 Soaring Golden Eagle
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> There is a need for balance here, as in many areas.
> >>
> >> Jesus both commanded that the disciples arm themselves and a few
> >> hours
> >> later rebuked them for inappropriate use of those arms. Paul the
> >> Apostle
> >> both stated that authorities don't bear a sword in vain (Romans
> >> 13:4) and
> >> clearly stated that our battle isn't against flesh and blood, but
> >> against
> >> spiritual wickedness in heavenly places, and prescribed spiritual
> >> weapons
> >> and armor (Ephesians 6:10-20).
> >>
> >> The warning against killing with the sword is repeated in
> Revelation
> >> 13:10.
> >>
> >> Let's take another look at the Scripture quoted below. Jesus told
> >> his
> >> disciples at that time (not as a command for all time) to get a
> >> sword, even
> >> if they had to sell some clothes to buy it. Jesus never told them
> to
> >> attack
> >> anyone with it, just to have it. Apparently, the sword was for a
> >> deterrent
> >> against attack, not something to actually use to maim or kill
> people
> >> with.
> >> The missionary Nate Saint had a loaded pistol when he was speared
> to
> >> death
> >> by the people he came to preach to, but refused to shoot them,
> even
> >> though
> >> they speared him to death. I think he had the idea. The man who
> >> speared him
> >> was later saved, and became good friends with the family of the
> >> missionaries he killed. Indeed, Jesus rebuked Peter for cutting
> off
> >> Malchus' ear, and healed the ear. Note that in the context, Jesus
> >> also
> >> commanded his disciples to make sure they had money with them
> >> instead of
> >> relying on the supernatural provision He told them to use,
> before.
> >> The time
> >> they were going through was like a dark tunnel, supernaturally,
> as
> >> Jesus
> >> allowed Himself to be crucified, descended to Hell, took the keys
> of
> >> Death,
> >> led captivity captive, rose again, and ascended to our Father. On
> >> the day
> >> of Pentecost following this glorious occasion, Jesus sent the
> Holy
> >> Spirit,
> >> and ended this dark tunnel forever. Therefore, I don't believe
> that
> >> Jesus'
> >> command to his disciples to own a sword is binding, today. We can
> >> rely on
> >> the supernatural protection and provision of God. On the other
> hand,
> >> there
> >> is certainly nothing wrong with owning a weapon as long as you
> don't
> >> commit
> >> a crime with it or even use it to resist arrest at the wrong
> time.
> >>
> >> Just to keep things in perspective, in the New Testament, there
> are
> >> about
> >> 40 references to "sword" and I think more of them refer to the
> Word
> >> of God
> >> than to a physical weapon.
> >>
> >>
> >> At 14:11 5/23/2000 +0000, Brian Wood wrote:
> >> >Stefan
> >> >
> >> >I did not take the verses out of context. I was aware of the
> later
> >> >verse but chose to omit it for greater emphasis. Jesus seems to
> be
> >> >saying to the disciples that a time when they would not be able
> to
> >> >rely on God's provision and protection was imminent. Even with
> the
> >> >two swords Jesus did not tell them to get rid of them. I believe
> >> that
> >> >the time of Jesus' arrest was different. The disciples were not
> >> under
> >> >threat only Jesus himself and he had no intention of resisting
> (and
> >> >had no need of weapons as, according to John's Gospel, all the
> >> >soldiers fell down when He said, "I am He"). Also, the disciples
> >> >were fighting against the "authorities". I would surmise that
> Jesus
> >> >was advocating the use of swords against robbers etc.
> >> >
> >> >There are times when we are definitely "commissioned" and times
> >> >when we are left to use our own resources. I have heard that
> >> >preached on more than one occasion and Corrie Ten Boom said
> >> >the same in one of her books.
> >> >
> >> >Anyone else care to comment?
> >> >
> >> >BoW
> >> >
> >> >On 23 May 00, at 10:22, Stefan Fischer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Brian,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > You are not correct in what you say. Below are two verses
> from
> >> Luke
> >> > > > 22
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 35 And He said to them, When I sent you without purse and
> >> wallet
> >> > > > and sandals, did you lack anything? And they said, Nothing.
> 36
> >> And
> >> > > > He said to them, But now, he who has a purse, let him take
> it,
> >> > > and
> >> > > > likewise his wallet. And he who has no sword, let him sell
> his
> >> > > > garment and buy one.
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey but you can't take these two verses out of their context.
> >> Verse 38
> >> > > says:
> >> > >
> >> > > 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And He
> >> said to
> >> > > them, It is enough.
> >> > >
> >> > > After that Jesus and the disciples go to Getsemaneh. When the
> >> soldiers
> >> > > come and want to arrest Jesus the Bible says:
> >> > >
> >> > > 49 And those around Him seeing what was about to occur, they
> >> said to
> >> > > him, Lord, shall we strike with the sword? 50 And one of
> them
> >> struck
> >> > > the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51
> >> And
> >> > > Jesus answered and said, Let it go until now. And touching
> his
> >> ear, He
> >> > > healed him.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you read the same story in Matthew 26 (This is the verse
> >> Simson
> >> > > quoted from.) it says:
> >> > >
> >> > > 51 And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched
> out
> >> his
> >> > > hand and drew his sword, and he struck a servant of the high
> >> priest
> >> > > and cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him, put up your
> >> sword
> >> > > again into its place; for all who take the sword shall perish
> >> with a
> >> > > sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father,
> and
> >> He
> >> > > shall presently give Me more than twelve legions of angels?
> >>
> >> Michael Paul Johnson
> >> aka Soaring Golden Eagle
> >> PO Box 1151, Longmont CO 80502-1151, USA
> >> Rocky Mountain outpost 207, New Creation Church
> >> Jesus Christ is Lord!
> >>
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