Agreed. But that has nothing to do with gun control. Just teach Jesus and
let the Holy Spirit do His job.
On Tue, 23 May 2000 12:12:48 -0400 "Keith Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Marilyn Manson used to attend an Assemblies of God and was taught
> about
> Jesus. We need to do the keeping part of the ranger code. Mr.
> Manson will
> tell you that he is who he is today because no one took the time to
> pay
> attention to him. No one took him under their wing so to speak.
> Just think
> what he could be today if someone had. Maybe the next Billy Graham
> or
> something. Educate, Educate, Educate.
> Keith Brooks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mayhew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 05 23 00 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [RR] *About Rangers and guns.. WATCH-IT!
>
>
> >Teach Johnny and Billy about Jesus, and they wont want to shoot
> each
> >other.
> >
> >Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
> >
> >
> >Cmndr. Jeff Mayhew
> >Outpost 72 - Brockton, MA
> >Southern New England District
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:55:05 -0400 "Keith Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >writes:
> >> Young believers everywhere are committing the worldly sin called
> >> suicide.
> >> This does not mean that I am not going to talk about it. The
> >> problem with
> >> guns today is that no one wants to talk about it and parents ARE
> NOT
> >> talking
> >> about it with their children. If you want the problem to go
> away,
> >> educate
> >> the children. Johnny shoots Billy because he wants to see what
> will
> >> happen.
> >> If Johnny had been educated, he would know what would happen and
> not
> >> be
> >> curious any more. Educate, Educate, Educate.
> >> Keith Brooks
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Mayhew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 05 23 00 11:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Re: [RR] *About Rangers and guns.. WATCH-IT!
> >>
> >>
> >> >Question:
> >> >
> >> >What do guns and swords have to to with the Gospel of Jesus
> Christ?
> >> Is
> >> >this topic going to get people saved, or edify existing
> believers?
> >> Why
> >> >are we as Commanders wasting time discussing things of this
> world
> >> instead
> >> >of discussing the things of God?
> >> >
> >> >I think this whole gun debate has gotten out of hand and we need
> to
> >> find
> >> >a new topic to discuss. Who's with me?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Cmndr. Jeff Mayhew
> >> >Outpost 72 - Brockton, MA
> >> >Southern New England District
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Tue, 23 May 2000 08:41:15 -0600 Soaring Golden Eagle
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >> There is a need for balance here, as in many areas.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jesus both commanded that the disciples arm themselves and a
> few
> >> >> hours
> >> >> later rebuked them for inappropriate use of those arms. Paul
> the
> >> >> Apostle
> >> >> both stated that authorities don't bear a sword in vain
> (Romans
> >> >> 13:4) and
> >> >> clearly stated that our battle isn't against flesh and blood,
> but
> >> >> against
> >> >> spiritual wickedness in heavenly places, and prescribed
> spiritual
> >> >> weapons
> >> >> and armor (Ephesians 6:10-20).
> >> >>
> >> >> The warning against killing with the sword is repeated in
> >> Revelation
> >> >> 13:10.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's take another look at the Scripture quoted below. Jesus
> told
> >> >> his
> >> >> disciples at that time (not as a command for all time) to get
> a
> >> >> sword, even
> >> >> if they had to sell some clothes to buy it. Jesus never told
> them
> >> to
> >> >> attack
> >> >> anyone with it, just to have it. Apparently, the sword was for
> a
> >> >> deterrent
> >> >> against attack, not something to actually use to maim or kill
> >> people
> >> >> with.
> >> >> The missionary Nate Saint had a loaded pistol when he was
> speared
> >> to
> >> >> death
> >> >> by the people he came to preach to, but refused to shoot them,
> >> even
> >> >> though
> >> >> they speared him to death. I think he had the idea. The man
> who
> >> >> speared him
> >> >> was later saved, and became good friends with the family of
> the
> >> >> missionaries he killed. Indeed, Jesus rebuked Peter for
> cutting
> >> off
> >> >> Malchus' ear, and healed the ear. Note that in the context,
> Jesus
> >> >> also
> >> >> commanded his disciples to make sure they had money with them
> >> >> instead of
> >> >> relying on the supernatural provision He told them to use,
> >> before.
> >> >> The time
> >> >> they were going through was like a dark tunnel,
> supernaturally,
> >> as
> >> >> Jesus
> >> >> allowed Himself to be crucified, descended to Hell, took the
> keys
> >> of
> >> >> Death,
> >> >> led captivity captive, rose again, and ascended to our Father.
> On
> >> >> the day
> >> >> of Pentecost following this glorious occasion, Jesus sent the
> >> Holy
> >> >> Spirit,
> >> >> and ended this dark tunnel forever. Therefore, I don't believe
> >> that
> >> >> Jesus'
> >> >> command to his disciples to own a sword is binding, today. We
> can
> >> >> rely on
> >> >> the supernatural protection and provision of God. On the other
> >> hand,
> >> >> there
> >> >> is certainly nothing wrong with owning a weapon as long as you
> >> don't
> >> >> commit
> >> >> a crime with it or even use it to resist arrest at the wrong
> >> time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just to keep things in perspective, in the New Testament,
> there
> >> are
> >> >> about
> >> >> 40 references to "sword" and I think more of them refer to the
> >> Word
> >> >> of God
> >> >> than to a physical weapon.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 14:11 5/23/2000 +0000, Brian Wood wrote:
> >> >> >Stefan
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I did not take the verses out of context. I was aware of the
> >> later
> >> >> >verse but chose to omit it for greater emphasis. Jesus seems
> to
> >> be
> >> >> >saying to the disciples that a time when they would not be
> able
> >> to
> >> >> >rely on God's provision and protection was imminent. Even
> with
> >> the
> >> >> >two swords Jesus did not tell them to get rid of them. I
> believe
> >> >> that
> >> >> >the time of Jesus' arrest was different. The disciples were
> not
> >> >> under
> >> >> >threat only Jesus himself and he had no intention of
> resisting
> >> (and
> >> >> >had no need of weapons as, according to John's Gospel, all
> the
> >> >> >soldiers fell down when He said, "I am He"). Also, the
> disciples
> >> >> >were fighting against the "authorities". I would surmise that
> >> Jesus
> >> >> >was advocating the use of swords against robbers etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >There are times when we are definitely "commissioned" and
> times
> >> >> >when we are left to use our own resources. I have heard that
> >> >> >preached on more than one occasion and Corrie Ten Boom said
> >> >> >the same in one of her books.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Anyone else care to comment?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >BoW
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On 23 May 00, at 10:22, Stefan Fischer wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Hi Brian,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > You are not correct in what you say. Below are two
> verses
> >> from
> >> >> Luke
> >> >> > > > 22
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > 35 And He said to them, When I sent you without purse
> and
> >> >> wallet
> >> >> > > > and sandals, did you lack anything? And they said,
> Nothing.
> >> 36
> >> >> And
> >> >> > > > He said to them, But now, he who has a purse, let him
> take
> >> it,
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > > likewise his wallet. And he who has no sword, let him
> sell
> >> his
> >> >> > > > garment and buy one.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hey but you can't take these two verses out of their
> context.
> >> >> Verse 38
> >> >> > > says:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And
> He
> >> >> said to
> >> >> > > them, It is enough.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > After that Jesus and the disciples go to Getsemaneh. When
> the
> >> >> soldiers
> >> >> > > come and want to arrest Jesus the Bible says:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 49 And those around Him seeing what was about to occur,
> they
> >> >> said to
> >> >> > > him, Lord, shall we strike with the sword? 50 And one of
> >> them
> >> >> struck
> >> >> > > the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear.
> 51
> >> >> And
> >> >> > > Jesus answered and said, Let it go until now. And touching
> >> his
> >> >> ear, He
> >> >> > > healed him.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > If you read the same story in Matthew 26 (This is the
> verse
> >> >> Simson
> >> >> > > quoted from.) it says:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 51 And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus
> stretched
> >> out
> >> >> his
> >> >> > > hand and drew his sword, and he struck a servant of the
> high
> >> >> priest
> >> >> > > and cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him, put up
> your
> >> >> sword
> >> >> > > again into its place; for all who take the sword shall
> perish
> >> >> with a
> >> >> > > sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot now pray to My
> Father,
> >> and
> >> >> He
> >> >> > > shall presently give Me more than twelve legions of
> angels?
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael Paul Johnson
> >> >> aka Soaring Golden Eagle
> >> >> PO Box 1151, Longmont CO 80502-1151, USA
> >> >> Rocky Mountain outpost 207, New Creation Church
> >> >> Jesus Christ is Lord!
> >> >>
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