>Young boys enjoy simple features and should be
>protected from events where age equals domination.
>I've seen this get out of control before, and
>boys become hurt.
On more than one occassion you have alluded to the fact that older boys
participating in the Pinewood Derby have an 'advantage' on the younger
boys. Is it possible that you aren't aware that races are run according to
age group. Straight Arrows run against Straight Arrows. Buckaroos run
against Buckaroos. Pioneers run against Pioneers. Trailblazers run
against Trailblazers. Open class cars run against other Open class cars.
This does not allow for any one group to hold any advantage over any other
group.
For the last 2 years, my daughter (who is now 10) has run cars in the open
class. Two years ago, one of my ranger dads, who is a Cub Scout leader and
has run these races for years, ran in the open class. My 10 year old
daughters car beat the socks off this 40+ year old mans car. He had the
advantage of age and experience, but my daughter beat his socks off. The
older boys in our outpost and in our section get just as big a kick out of
this as do the younger boys as do the commanders as do the dads and moms.
The Pinewood Derby is not meant to be a singular age event, but a time when
people from many age groups / sexes can come together under one umberlla
and have fun together.
royal ranger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/31/2000 12:09:44 PM
To: Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Robert D
Hamilton/Page Digital)
Subject: Re: [RR] The Last Word (?)
--- Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I could come in and give you a legalist review of
> your outpost. I could
> give you a old fashion by the rules NTC style
> inspection. It would of
> course be for your own good. I would use the BST
> Manual for the meat of
> the inspection. It would acomplish about the same
> as NTC does. (Don't
> do this to your boys)
Bro.Jones- I'm not sure what you are trying to tell
me.
I do know you must enjoy raceing model cars or acting
as a cubmaster. As I understand it, the job of a RR
leader is quite different.
I was asked to step in as Sr.Commander by invitation
of the Pastor. The former outpost had formed a
clique of the ranger leaders and made life hard
for pastors staff. I'm sure you agree that the
Outpost must be a blessing and not a hinderence to
the ministry of the church and Pastor must have his
way. Layity must yeild to his vision.
The former leaders had a successful spirited
Outpost that was loud, and at times,out of control.
We found that many of the Rangers were not deeply
invested in that program and better ministered too
by the Jr.High youth group.
We now offer a chioce.
Those boys that are invested in advancement are now
with leaders who care for that sort of thing.
My role is not to promote an event simply because
it may be fun or expected, but to balance the
needs of the Church with the best intrests of
the boys. If that leads me to build up the youth
group, I will.
>
> In Southern Missouri we take our Buckaroos To Pow
> Wow and several times a
> year have a whole outpost and have been
> doing it for over a
> decade.
I would have assumed differently.
I would our Boys in Southern
> Missouri must be of a more
> mature stock. They love to camp and get excited
> about it. Then again
> our 15 to 17 year old Rangers must be more mature
> to stoop to the level
> of cub scouts to craft cars that give men who have
> been making cars for
> several decades a run for their pinewood derby
> titles.
>
Based on your statement,
The maturity of So.Missouri boys is not in question
but rather *perhaps, the maturity of their leader.
Outdoor camping is not *more Royal Ranger than
crafts or simple reading of Bible stories.
Pinewood derby is not less fun for older boys
than young ones. I understand that, sir...
Young boys enjoy simple features and should be
protected from events where age equals domination.
I've seen this get out of control before, and
boys become hurt.
Again, I've discussed this with the kids pastor
and he agrees. I agree that young boys feed the
kids church and likewise he blesses Rangers
with his puppet ministry, and serves the younger
groups as chaplan.
Older boy's should be seperate and work with the
Youth department hand in hand. Our Youth pastor
is dynamic and prepared to minister to all the
young people not just boys who want a scouting
club. Likewise he knows not every boy is ready for
his youth group, and for some the RR advancement
program is a personal goal worthy of support.
I understand you may not be ready for this, but
it has found favor with our church. In the old
days RR had support from the men's ministry
but when they moved to a less formal Honor bound
style of group, the oversight of RR became the
responsibility of Pastors staff. My job has been to
assure them that Ranger leaders will support them
100% and pledge to do so, with God's help.
This I beleve is in the spirit of comming changes
to the RR program.
> Your matter of fact style of posting while sitting
> in a boat full of
> holes makes me shake my head and wonder "what in the
> world".
Bro.Jones- I'm perplexed by your attitude.
In Christ, we are brothers in love. How would
you manage the job of Sr.Commander?
One thing
> it takes all kinds to run Royal Rangers. Each has
> their gift. Please
> remember brother and fellow Ranger Commander. Allow
> others to go outside
> the box that you have built for yourself. Just
> because you can't make it
> work doesn't mean it won''t work well for others.
In reading this three times I again, assume that
you hold a critical spirit. There must be more things
important than the Pinewood derby!
Perhaps a time of prayer would do you well...
In Christ-
Cdr.Roy OP88
503-768-6619
> In this case it does
> and it has. Derby on Dude!
>
> Mark Jones, YM_M4I5S3S_30 easy fella!
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:51:27 -0800 (PST) royal
> ranger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > --- "Merlin ."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on a
> few
> > > of the week's comments.
> > > A Pinewood Derby uphill race? Sounds cool!
> We
> > > try to come up with a new
> > > twist each year to keep things interesting at
> the
> > > race. One thing we have
> > > also considered is a kind of free-for-all
> division
> > > where the traditional
> > > specs for building the car are eliminated or
> > > modified. This would probably
> > > be open to the older boys & leaders only. Which
> > > leads me to...
> >
> > I'm afraid it will lead you in the wrong
> direction,
> > sir... The race is to be run by the rules.
> >
> > A fundamental principal of Royal Rangers is an
> > understanding of fair play and sticking
> > to "rules" to build boy's into men.
> >
> > It's wrong to modify the rules to increase the
> > interest of the older boy, against the young boy.
> >
> > We do not run Pinewood for the parents or the
> > leaders or the older boy. We run it fair and
> > encourage the young boy to do his best, it is
> > his day, his event, his time to shine.
> >
> > We think, Pinewood derby is a young non-camping
> > boys event, for Cub scout age boys only.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Outposts organize & run events in lots of
> > > different ways. We choose to
> > > make Pinewood Derby an event open to everyone.
> It is
> > > a fun night of racing &
> > > fellowship that is the only YM_M4I5S3S_33 event
that many
> > > people in the church will
> > > ever attend. This is certainly far from a
> > > "YM_M4I5S3S_34 to the health &
> > > welfare of our outpost" as another YM_M4I5S3S_35
> > > stated.
> >
> > Sir, I said that in reference to those that
> encourage
> > YM_M4I5S3S_36 girls and their leaders to compete
in a
> > Ranger event. Have you YM_M4I5S3S_37-understood?
> >
> >
> >
> > It just happens to
> > > work for us.
> > > Something was also said about non-camping
> age
> > > boys in Rangers. Is there
> > > such a thing? Granted, the B/SA boys only go on
> a
> > > couple YM_M4I5S3S_38 each year
> > > w/us, but they are definitely of camping age. We
> do
> > > add special conditions
> > > on their attending an overnighter, however.
> (Must be
> > > YM_M4I5S3S_39 by a dad,
> > > grandpa, or other adult figure, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> > I disagree based on the instructions listed in
> > the B/SA YM_M4I5S3S_40 materials. It clearly
states that
> these
> > young boy do not camp, but do attend day camp.
> >
> > I suppose an overnighter at a church fellowship
> > hall or home might work but the larger issue is
> > the makeup of the younger boys leadership. Day
> > events skirt the potential for upset.
> >
> > What we are trying to do is to make these young
> boys
> > feel every bit proud of their achievements and
> > look forward, but not "up to the older boys" You
> > make conduct your Op in any way, but I have an
> > official charter from my church and must follow
> the
> > rules. The rules are no camping for young boys.
> >
> >
> > OK guys, I
> > > know this will open a whole
> > > new onslaught of issues for some of you, but it
> > > works for us.
> >
> > Yes- for me it seems you hold a simular attitude
> to
> > the Ranger leader I replaced, who at every turn
> worked
> > against the desires of the Pastoral staff to
> expand
> > his *vision with blinders to others ministries. In
> > time it YM_M4I5S3S_41 his good work and he left.
> >
> > I saw this YM_M4I5S3S_42 and pledged to not be in
> rebellion
> > to the ministry of others and as I bless my
> brothers,
> > YM_M4I5S3S_43 will in turn be blessed by a smaller
but more
> > effective group.
> >
> >
> > Please also
> > > note that there are plenty of other activities
> that
> > > are restricted to
> > > certain age groups. No, Challengers are not
> invited
> > > to the B/SA Field Day,
> > > etc.
> > > Crowded calendars sometimes call for
> > > compromises. I work about 60 hrs.
> > > a week on 2nd shift, so off-time is very limited
> for
> > > me. So we try to
> > > balance our activities by having both inclusive
> and
> > > exclusive events. I
> > > realize that some types of activities should
> only be
> > > open to certain age
> > > groups.
> >
> > This is what I said- and YM_M4I5S3S_44 cars
up-hill with
> > firecrackers or rocket engines should not be done
> in
> > the presence of young boys.
> >
> > If that is the choice of the older boys, let them
> > launch rockets or shoot YM_M4I5S3S_45 rifles. At a
> > different time and event.
> >
> > In Christ-
> >
> > YM_M4I5S3S_46.Roy Op88
> > So.Idaho YM_M4I5S3S_47.
>
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