Looks like it may be time for you guys to take this one backchannel. Or
maybe get on the phone and pray together. Thanks, Clint Grant.
>From: royal ranger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [RR] The Last Word (?)
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:09:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>--- Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I could come in and give you a legalist review of
> > your outpost. I could
> > give you a old fashion by the rules NTC style
> > inspection. It would of
> > course be for your own good. I would use the BST
> > Manual for the meat of
> > the inspection. It would acomplish about the same
> > as NTC does. (Don't
> > do this to your boys)
>
>Bro.Jones- I'm not sure what you are trying to tell
>me.
>I do know you must enjoy raceing model cars or acting
>as a cubmaster. As I understand it, the job of a RR
>leader is quite different.
>
>I was asked to step in as Sr.Commander by invitation
>of the Pastor. The former outpost had formed a
>clique of the ranger leaders and made life hard
>for pastors staff. I'm sure you agree that the
>Outpost must be a blessing and not a hinderence to
>the ministry of the church and Pastor must have his
>way. Layity must yeild to his vision.
>
>The former leaders had a successful spirited
>Outpost that was loud, and at times,out of control.
>We found that many of the Rangers were not deeply
>invested in that program and better ministered too
>by the Jr.High youth group.
>
>We now offer a chioce.
>
>Those boys that are invested in advancement are now
>with leaders who care for that sort of thing.
>
>My role is not to promote an event simply because
>it may be fun or expected, but to balance the
>needs of the Church with the best intrests of
>the boys. If that leads me to build up the youth
>group, I will.
>
>
> >
> > In Southern Missouri we take our Buckaroos To Pow
> > Wow and several times a
> > year have a whole outpost and have been
> > doing it for over a
> > decade.
>
> I would have assumed differently.
>
>
>I would our Boys in Southern
> > Missouri must be of a more
> > mature stock. They love to camp and get excited
> > about it. Then again
> > our 15 to 17 year old Rangers must be more mature
> > to stoop to the level
> > of cub scouts to craft cars that give men who have
> > been making cars for
> > several decades a run for their pinewood derby
> > titles.
> >
>Based on your statement,
>
>The maturity of So.Missouri boys is not in question
>but rather *perhaps, the maturity of their leader.
>
>Outdoor camping is not *more Royal Ranger than
>crafts or simple reading of Bible stories.
>
>Pinewood derby is not less fun for older boys
>than young ones. I understand that, sir...
>
>Young boys enjoy simple features and should be
>protected from events where age equals domination.
>I've seen this get out of control before, and
>boys become hurt.
>
>Again, I've discussed this with the kids pastor
>and he agrees. I agree that young boys feed the
>kids church and likewise he blesses Rangers
>with his puppet ministry, and serves the younger
>groups as chaplan.
>
>Older boy's should be seperate and work with the
>Youth department hand in hand. Our Youth pastor
>is dynamic and prepared to minister to all the
>young people not just boys who want a scouting
>club. Likewise he knows not every boy is ready for
>his youth group, and for some the RR advancement
>program is a personal goal worthy of support.
>
>I understand you may not be ready for this, but
>it has found favor with our church. In the old
>days RR had support from the men's ministry
>but when they moved to a less formal Honor bound
>style of group, the oversight of RR became the
>responsibility of Pastors staff. My job has been to
>assure them that Ranger leaders will support them
>100% and pledge to do so, with God's help.
>
>This I beleve is in the spirit of comming changes
>to the RR program.
>
>
> > Your matter of fact style of posting while sitting
> > in a boat full of
> > holes makes me shake my head and wonder "what in the
> > world".
>
>Bro.Jones- I'm perplexed by your attitude.
>
>In Christ, we are brothers in love. How would
>you manage the job of Sr.Commander?
>
>
>
>One thing
> > it takes all kinds to run Royal Rangers. Each has
> > their gift. Please
> > remember brother and fellow Ranger Commander. Allow
> > others to go outside
> > the box that you have built for yourself. Just
> > because you can't make it
> > work doesn't mean it won''t work well for others.
>
>In reading this three times I again, assume that
>you hold a critical spirit. There must be more things
>important than the Pinewood derby!
>
>Perhaps a time of prayer would do you well...
>
>In Christ-
>
>Cdr.Roy OP88
>503-768-6619
>
> > In this case it does
> > and it has. Derby on Dude!
> >
> > Mark Jones, YM_M4I5S3S_30 easy fella!
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:51:27 -0800 (PST) royal
> > ranger
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > --- "Merlin ."
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > Hello All,
> > > >
> > > > Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on a
> > few
> > > > of the week's comments.
> > > > A Pinewood Derby uphill race? Sounds cool!
> > We
> > > > try to come up with a new
> > > > twist each year to keep things interesting at
> > the
> > > > race. One thing we have
> > > > also considered is a kind of free-for-all
> > division
> > > > where the traditional
> > > > specs for building the car are eliminated or
> > > > modified. This would probably
> > > > be open to the older boys & leaders only. Which
> > > > leads me to...
> > >
> > > I'm afraid it will lead you in the wrong
> > direction,
> > > sir... The race is to be run by the rules.
> > >
> > > A fundamental principal of Royal Rangers is an
> > > understanding of fair play and sticking
> > > to "rules" to build boy's into men.
> > >
> > > It's wrong to modify the rules to increase the
> > > interest of the older boy, against the young boy.
> > >
> > > We do not run Pinewood for the parents or the
> > > leaders or the older boy. We run it fair and
> > > encourage the young boy to do his best, it is
> > > his day, his event, his time to shine.
> > >
> > > We think, Pinewood derby is a young non-camping
> > > boys event, for Cub scout age boys only.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Outposts organize & run events in lots of
> > > > different ways. We choose to
> > > > make Pinewood Derby an event open to everyone.
> > It is
> > > > a fun night of racing &
> > > > fellowship that is the only YM_M4I5S3S_33 event
>that many
> > > > people in the church will
> > > > ever attend. This is certainly far from a
> > > > "YM_M4I5S3S_34 to the health &
> > > > welfare of our outpost" as another YM_M4I5S3S_35
> > > > stated.
> > >
> > > Sir, I said that in reference to those that
> > encourage
> > > YM_M4I5S3S_36 girls and their leaders to compete
>in a
> > > Ranger event. Have you YM_M4I5S3S_37-understood?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It just happens to
> > > > work for us.
> > > > Something was also said about non-camping
> > age
> > > > boys in Rangers. Is there
> > > > such a thing? Granted, the B/SA boys only go on
> > a
> > > > couple YM_M4I5S3S_38 each year
> > > > w/us, but they are definitely of camping age. We
> > do
> > > > add special conditions
> > > > on their attending an overnighter, however.
> > (Must be
> > > > YM_M4I5S3S_39 by a dad,
> > > > grandpa, or other adult figure, etc.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I disagree based on the instructions listed in
> > > the B/SA YM_M4I5S3S_40 materials. It clearly
>states that
> > these
> > > young boy do not camp, but do attend day camp.
> > >
> > > I suppose an overnighter at a church fellowship
> > > hall or home might work but the larger issue is
> > > the makeup of the younger boys leadership. Day
> > > events skirt the potential for upset.
> > >
> > > What we are trying to do is to make these young
> > boys
> > > feel every bit proud of their achievements and
> > > look forward, but not "up to the older boys" You
> > > make conduct your Op in any way, but I have an
> > > official charter from my church and must follow
> > the
> > > rules. The rules are no camping for young boys.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK guys, I
> > > > know this will open a whole
> > > > new onslaught of issues for some of you, but it
> > > > works for us.
> > >
> > > Yes- for me it seems you hold a simular attitude
> > to
> > > the Ranger leader I replaced, who at every turn
> > worked
> > > against the desires of the Pastoral staff to
> > expand
> > > his *vision with blinders to others ministries. In
> > > time it YM_M4I5S3S_41 his good work and he left.
> > >
> > > I saw this YM_M4I5S3S_42 and pledged to not be in
> > rebellion
> > > to the ministry of others and as I bless my
> > brothers,
> > > YM_M4I5S3S_43 will in turn be blessed by a smaller
>but more
> > > effective group.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please also
> > > > note that there are plenty of other activities
> > that
> > > > are restricted to
> > > > certain age groups. No, Challengers are not
> > invited
> > > > to the B/SA Field Day,
> > > > etc.
> > > > Crowded calendars sometimes call for
> > > > compromises. I work about 60 hrs.
> > > > a week on 2nd shift, so off-time is very limited
> > for
> > > > me. So we try to
> > > > balance our activities by having both inclusive
> > and
> > > > exclusive events. I
> > > > realize that some types of activities should
> > only be
> > > > open to certain age
> > > > groups.
> > >
> > > This is what I said- and YM_M4I5S3S_44 cars
>up-hill with
> > > firecrackers or rocket engines should not be done
> > in
> > > the presence of young boys.
> > >
> > > If that is the choice of the older boys, let them
> > > launch rockets or shoot YM_M4I5S3S_45 rifles. At a
> > > different time and event.
> > >
> > > In Christ-
> > >
> > > YM_M4I5S3S_46.Roy Op88
> > > So.Idaho YM_M4I5S3S_47.
> >
>=== message truncated ===
>
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