>
>
> --- clint grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's ' bout time I said something.
> > Patrol system is nice and all, but... It is not a prerequisite to the
> > main thing, which is to "Reach, Teach, and Keep boys for Christ". So
> > quit harping on it and keep the main thing the main thing. This ain't
> > boy scouts.
>
> I agree <SNIP!> *It aint..<G>
>
> Did you know the founder Johnnie Barnes wanted the Patrol Method
> to be central to the organizational structure of RR? Have you
> woundered why Boy positions have been in RR since day one?
> Yeah, that makes sense.
So.. How does "Central to the organizational structure" compare
to "Makeing the Main thing the main thing?" What changed?
OK.. Time out<G>
Honestly YOU MAY lead however you decide. Leader led is
effective and respectible, and is the way to go for a Cub Scout
group of young men. There is no binding force to compel you
to use the boys for Leadership at all. There is no standard,
policy that you must abide by. You answer to no-one above your
local Pastor! National Commander cannot come and criticize you
or can any Dist. or Sectional rep. for how you decide to run
your Outpost. You are sovern and even if you are NTC trained,
you have no duty to impliment any patrol activity at all.
You are free to have the boys sit in a circle and sing Kum-bi-yah!
You may hoist the Bible and preach fire and brimstone or turn
the meeting into a prayer garden.
I happen to love Royal Rangers, and want the dreams of the boys
and the words out of the mouths of our founder to come to pass..
that we are building the Leaders of tomorrow today! For that
to happen... something has to be done.
We tell the boys they are important, then ignore the very process
that will fire the MORALE in them to succeed! *It's like endless
descriptions of how fun it is to play baseball and then you never
let the boys take the field.
Let's not steal the joy from seeing Sr.Guide become a real leader.
When I was Sr.Guide,I wish I knew what I know now.
The main job of Sr.Guide is to sell the boys on the
outpost being theirs to "own" and rule. Commander is
just the coach, and uses a 'reflective tone in talking
to the boys, so that his words shine a light into the
trail they should walk.
Like the path lit by fire at NTC.
The way to meet the challenge is by reflection on the
CODE<G> The goal is not to rush to the conclusion that
Jesus is the only thing, but to integrate wellness in
spirit in mind and body as well.
> *Have you ever experianced a "Lost Sr.Guide" with no idea of
> what his job is, while his heart is desireing something other
> than what he see's?
Yep, come to think of it, I have.
Let me talk about his heart.
He want's to please Commander.
He want's to do his job.
He's willing to sacrifice and be responsible.
But every time he acts , the boys slide out..
act up and disrespect him. They seem to know who really is
in charge.
That's you the Commander right?
You are the REAL boss.. right?
>
> You hold up the "Main Thing" as the mission statement, but
> in fact the "Main thing" is raiseing quality of life for a
> boy. *That is REACH them. Actually, I would say that reach is what you
have to do beforehand.
Perhaps, but more than "Outreach".. Reaching gives me that feeling
of "Ahh-ha.. Now I know!" You "reach" a boy with his "buying in"
to membership in the group. This "peer-group Thang" is the core of
all the patrol thinking. We are best when we use the tools God
gives us and that is to use the boys to teach and lead other boys.
Your Pastor knows that he cannot touch everyone in a church of 2,000
on one sunday morning. He trusts that small groups will be the glue
to bring you to fellowship with others and then by "talking-shareing-
reflecting"
So we in RR must echo that, with profound awareness of breaking down
the larger Outpost into small boy sized units.
>
> When you empower the boys to leadership, and equip them for success
> *That is TEACH THEM
A small part of the process, not the whole, but true.
WE also have to remember we are teaching the Commanders of the
future to be the leaders that are able to "give away" the program to the
boys. This is a very compelling idea to boys.. that we are investing
in them and trusting them today, so that RR will be in good hands
tomorrow. Ranger tradition should be built on a free spirit to
hand off leadership and control.
>
>
> *Clint.. Brother, How many other 1962 Rangers are still around? I know
> more than I can name, and they would stick by me on this.
Come on.. We work for the boys amigo.. for zero pay!
This "sticking togather" is part of the problem we have had.
I was talking with a FCF Chapter Pres. and he told me..
"I know what you say and agree.. but my position requires me
to go this other way" I had to smile<G>
I talked with the Oregon Dist. Cdr. and had him over to the
Outpost. We showed him what we were doing, and he was pleased.
He said: "To be a good Commander you have to reach for the resources
that RR cannot provide you<G>"
>
> Doesn't have to be like boy scouts to work. God can do
> > without it. God can make this thing work however He see's fit, which
> may or may not include "Patrol System".
Granted... however the Patrol system requires the boys to look out
for others besides them selves. they have to think about the group
and that get's them thinking of others and that's a good thing. It's
UN-NATURAL and don't come easy... But it's worth it.
I like the patrol method, myself,
> I just don't think that we should make a religion out of it, which some
> > obviously have, since "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth
> > speaketh", which is proof-positive for me.
*I figgered the "Patrol thing" was the tuffest egg to crack
that I had ever faced as a Ranger. I also thought it much
more tolerable than gender politics<G>
>
> ..You've got patrol method running out
> your ears. You can't think of anything else, because you don't speak of
> anything else.
There a long trail of Hoowie plaver from ->A No.1<- and when
you boil it down.. *I can't remember righty what all I have said<G>
This is why you must feast on the hay and spit out the sticks<G>
You gottah take me with some liniment so's I don't rub yah raw!
Reach, teach, and keep boys for Christ is the great
> commission. It doesn't take the patrol method to achieve that. Doesn't
> even take Royal Rangers. Don't read anything into it, just look at it
> for what it is.
>
> Please explain.
> I'd like to know where I've gone off-track.
>
> Isn't NTC about the "Patrol"?
Yep, and I have not knocked the Patrol
> system. I like it. I just think that you are partol system crazy to the
> point of not being able to focus on anything else.
Wah-do yah got amigo?
I'm done with pinewood derby and carnival games.. I want some
meat on my plate<G> I want to build character in boys, and admire
their spine.
You're posts
> certainly seem to be indicative of this. I know that you feel that you
> are a voice crying in the wilderness. Some kind of weeping prophet.
Heck no.. *I'm a rabblerouser<G>
But
> what you are proclaiming is not the gospel. It is the church of the
> Patrol System.
Well then.. Let's work to clear up the seperation of *Program
vs *Ministry which is what I assume you are gripeing about<G>
I get my inspiriation from
watching GMA #3911 become who he is today<G>
Good chat.. let's kick the football around somemore!
Love yah!
Duane -=*=-
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rank Stranger
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:42 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [RR] The Probability of Accepting Christ
> >
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > In a message dated 8/2/2001 1:51:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > However if that is true then why have an older boy
> > > > program at all? It seemes we are running after them begging..
> > > > yet we cannot reach them with *respect.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If the pool we draw from for the older boys is only the "church
> Kids"
> > > then I
> > > understand why we have the problem. Some boys are not interested in
> > > Rangers
> > > just as some boys in Scouts quit when they get older. We In Rangers
> > > must
> > > look outside the church walls if we want to see growth in the older
> > age
> > > groups.
> > > Looking at the successes of Boy Scouts they bring boys in from all
> > > walks. I
> > > say that Royal Rangers can do the same. James
> >
> >
> > That said.. Why don't we impact BSA Scouts with our 38 year history
> > and tradition and join with them in "the Cause"...
> >
> > Again, let's do our best at what we do best, and join with others
> > in what they do best. In Royal Ranger circles the "Patrol System"
> > and boy leadership seems so strange that it breeds a negitive
> re-action.
> >
> > Keeping Royal Rangers solid as a foundational ministry/program to
> > younger boys, then sending them to a Scout troop where boy leadership
> > is a core value, would settle the dust of re-inventing the wheel.<G>
> >
> > Change is hard for long time Rangers.
> >
> > If in this generation, we allow fellowship with others of like faith
> > that are not AoG "correct"... Then the seperation of programs i.e.
> > BSA and RR seemes less important than it was in 1962.
> >
> > I'm currently in a Scout troop composed of many community based church
> > members and find it a very positive experiance for many reasons, that
> > I have tried to share. The hang-up I fore-see is with the ethic in
> > BSA Scouts who are "Reverent in the respect of others faith"...
> >
> > That is not a Ranger virtue.
> >
> > -=*=-
> >
> >
> > >
> >
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