--- Ken Komoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got to agree with Clint. Regardless how much we offer, we don't
> compare
> with the girls in youth.
whoa..
Girls like cars and jobs.. are not the reason 14 year olds pull away.
They bug out because of the lameness of the un-planned meeting that
holds no substance of merit. The boys are far smarter than we think.
Often, TV re-runs are better than a RR meeting, or Game boy holds
more intrest.
They have to judge the worth of their involvement and while that is
fickle, and hollow.. That is the reason your back row is "standing
off from involvement". Check out the motivations of a 18 year old
to join the Marines.
*They sell hardship, chalenge, honor and integrity.
An 18 year old will leave home, girlfriends and his hometown
on the promise of adventure. To a lessor extent, a 14 year old
wants the same thing.
These boys sometimes risk their necks on skateboards just to
experiance a moment of "weightlessness" and "Skill-thrill"
Harvest these passions and you have the answer.<G>
Even if the programs were offered on different
>
> nights,
> there is still no guarantee that we could compete.
Have you ever seen boys fire up in a game they enjoy?
Make RR that game...
..and the boys would go to the pastor and fire the deadwood
Commander and take over! Why isn't there a movement by the boys
to increase the quality of Adult leaders?
*My perception is that Boys with a lick of leadership, do not choose
hang around where they are not wanted. They reluctently leave for
greener pastures. Some of the best leaders are critics<G> and to
dismiss them as "loose cannons" is to turn from new directions for
positive change.
The result is a cycle of failure.
The dried up,almost dead.. lead the flock of sheep<G>
*If the GMA carried *true worth and was desired by the boys
of the back row.. They would stay.
Perhaps the
> perception of
> the boys themselves that 'Royal Rangers is for kids' is really the
> problem.
> Duane is obviously thinking on a higher plane, but I find it really
> tough to
> duck the universality of the problem. It's there for any boys program
> where
> ever there are girls nearby.
Our Scout troop stands alone with Zero support outside of the Parents.
Many Scouts attend Youth and are encouraged to actively, do so...
and to excell in school. They come a stay, for the Eagle.
When you say the "Girls" steal away the boys from a program of value
you are wrong. If your program is judged less worththy than what can
be gained by "hanging out" then you have a situation where it's YOU
COMMANDER and not the boys "problem". *They leave, and don't look back!
Turn up the adventure machine a knotch or two!
>
> As far as Duane's statement about RR not needing boys to survive...
> I have a mixed response. Without boys, there is no program. Likewise,
> without commanders, there is no program.
That's right.. the boys will FIND ADVENTURE ELSEWHERE!
We seem to think the boys "owe" us something. They don't.
We only can claim to be valid by giveing something out of value.
..that value or worth must be obvious!
*Give them a reason to respect Royal Rangers!
-=*=-
>
> At 04:45 PM 7/31/01 -0700, Rank Stranger wrote:
>
> >--- clint grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > But still.. what happens to boys at 14? Hormones, man!
> >
> >There's more to it than that, amigo..
> >
> >Look at the learning curve placed before a 14 year old
> >and what challange do we offer them in RR? I hope we don't
> >say at 14 "Be like Commander"<G>
> >
> >A young RR "out-doer" can run circles around me<G>
> >
> > >
> > > *I say, at 14 or so.. a child gains a mind of his own.
> > >
> > > If this is true, our greatest success is limited by the
> > > actions that appeal to a immature mind. The popular understanding
> > > of leadership seems to work with this mindset that does not
> > > question the quality or motive of why things are the way they are.
> > >
> > > Our great failure has been to hold on to the boys in the older
> groups.
> > > True, because we force them to make an awful hard choice. This
> should
> > > not be. Both options should be available simultaineously, youth and
> > > Rangers. But, since they are not in many cases, we have to do what
> we
> > > can to impact the boys while we can. Can't expect a boy to deny his
> > > hormones, to do so would be to torture him.
> >
> >This second reference to "Hormones" leads me to think that the virtues
> >of the Ranger code don't apply to these boys.. *Why are you giveing up?
> >
> >The choice the boy makes when leaveing RR at 14 is for a better life,
> >and nation wide it's easy to back that choice. The boys are choseing
> >wisely!
> >
> >God bless the "Hormones" of boys and that just means greater
> >virtue is found in self-control and wisdom in makeing choices.
> >Both are learned by action and experiance gained from a hands-on
> > "On the job" positions in the Outpost.
> >
> >In Truth.. RR don't *NEED the boys to survive!
>
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