----- Original Message ----- From: Rank Stranger Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:00 PM To: clint grant; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RR] The Probability of Accepting Christ
--- clint grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's ' bout time I said something.
> Patrol system is nice and all, but... It is not a prerequisite to the
> main thing, which is to "Reach, Teach, and Keep boys for Christ". So
> quit harping on it and keep the main thing the main thing. This ain't
> boy scouts.
I agree that RR isn't Boy Scouts, I've known that since 1962
when I stood in a fresh extra small Kahki uniform from the
local work clothes store.
Did you know the founder Johnnie Barnes wanted the Patrol Method
to be central to the organizational structure of RR? Have you
woundered why Boy positions have been in RR since day one?
Yeah, that makes sense.
*Have you ever experianced a "Lost Sr.Guide" with no idea of
what his job is, while his heart is desireing something other
than what he see's? Yep, come to think of it, I have.
You hold up the "Main Thing" as the mission statement, but
in fact the "Main thing" is raiseing quality of life for a
boy. *That is REACH them. Actually, I would say that reach is what you have to do beforehand.
When you empower the boys to leadership, and equip them for success
*That is TEACH THEM A small part of the process, not the whole, but true.
And when you impress upon them the significance of the Motto,
CODE and meaning of the emblem, and they become owners of that
in their heart... *That is to KEEP THEM FOR CHRIST!
*Clint.. Brother, How many other 1962 Rangers are still around? I know more than I can name, and they would stick by me on this.
Doesn't have to be like boy scouts to work. God can do
> without it. God can make this thing work however He see's fit, which may
> or may not include "Patrol System". I like the patrol method, myself, I
> just don't think that we should make a religion out of it, which some
> obviously have, since "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth
> speaketh", which is proof-positive for me.
I'm not getting this thought amigo..You've got patrol method running out your ears. You can't think of anything else, because you don't speak of anything else. Reach, teach, and keep boys for Christ is the great commission. It doesn't take the patrol method to achieve that. Doesn't even take Royal Rangers. Don't read anything into it, just look at it for what it is.
Please explain.
I'd like to know where I've gone off-track.
Isn't NTC about the "Patrol"? Yep, and I have not knocked the Patrol system. I like it. I just think that you are partol system crazy to the point of not being able to focus on anything else. You're posts certainly seem to be indicative of this. I know that you feel that you are a voice crying in the wilderness. Some kind of weeping prophet. But what you are proclaiming is not the gospel. It is the church of the Patrol System.
Isn't that "National Training"?For better or worse, this is getting away from patrol system. The new OSC (Outdoor Skills Campout) which will take the place of the LTC campout, quit the patrol method. National Academy uses teams, and so does the new ANTC.
Some body (I won't mention
> any names, just look at who this thing is addressed to) has done just
> that, in my estimation, and left the main thing way behind in the dust.
*Wilderness members travel the less worn paths.
I guess there's no home for the Trailblazer on return to the settlements.
Pilgrims have roosted! This is too high for my IQ! Thanks.
-=*=-
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rank Stranger
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [RR] The Probability of Accepting Christ
>
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/2/2001 1:51:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> > > However if that is true then why have an older boy
> > > program at all? It seemes we are running after them begging..
> > > yet we cannot reach them with *respect.
> > >
> >
> > If the pool we draw from for the older boys is only the "church Kids"
> > then I
> > understand why we have the problem. Some boys are not interested in
> > Rangers
> > just as some boys in Scouts quit when they get older. We In Rangers
> > must
> > look outside the church walls if we want to see growth in the older
> age
> > groups.
> > Looking at the successes of Boy Scouts they bring boys in from all
> > walks. I
> > say that Royal Rangers can do the same. James
>
>
> That said.. Why don't we impact BSA Scouts with our 38 year history
> and tradition and join with them in "the Cause"...
>
> Again, let's do our best at what we do best, and join with others
> in what they do best. In Royal Ranger circles the "Patrol System"
> and boy leadership seems so strange that it breeds a negitive re-action.
>
> Keeping Royal Rangers solid as a foundational ministry/program to
> younger boys, then sending them to a Scout troop where boy leadership
> is a core value, would settle the dust of re-inventing the wheel.<G>
>
> Change is hard for long time Rangers.
>
> If in this generation, we allow fellowship with others of like faith
> that are not AoG "correct"... Then the seperation of programs i.e.
> BSA and RR seemes less important than it was in 1962.
>
> I'm currently in a Scout troop composed of many community based church
> members and find it a very positive experiance for many reasons, that
> I have tried to share. The hang-up I fore-see is with the ethic in
> BSA Scouts who are "Reverent in the respect of others faith"...
>
> That is not a Ranger virtue.
>
> -=*=-
>
>
> >
>
>
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