On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: 
> > Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
> > buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out 
> > of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
> > got him hooked and we love it! 
>
> Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
> similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
> people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are 
> pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than 
> a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
> (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes 
> people could buy. 
>
> Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and 
Giant to name a few - now offer more "upright" riding position for all 
their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. 
That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  
BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher 
bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the 
new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then 
again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be 
available in any position that you want! 
 
I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous 
"raise dat stem" article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can 
only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!) 
and carbon bashing, we might have something....Good Luck! 

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