I switched several years ago from Brooks B-17 which I had ridden on for 
years on several bikes. i had issues with decomposition of B-17s over time 
to where they became uncomfortable - even with the "Select" version. Also, 
I found as I began to ride in a more forward leaning manner (lowered my 
bars for more comfort, contrary to what is often preached here), the B-17 
shape didn't work for me. 

So I switched to Berthoud and have been happy as a clam ever since. I've 
been riding the Aspin now for about 3 years. Better quality (thicker, 
stiffer leather; no hamered rivets to eventually dig into ones backside as 
the leather around the rivet wears; completely rebuildable saddle because 
the saddle is bolted to the rails, not hammered in. Just a better design, 
in my opinion.

Caveat: it took me 500 miles to break the saddle to where riding anything 
more than 20 miles was comfortable. But, after 3 years, the saddle is 
broken, but not broken. Just thicker, stiffer material that will last much 
longer, I am sure. Highly recommended.


On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 12:42:55 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
> I've been a Rivendell fan for years having owned 4 different bikes. I used 
> B-17 saddles for years, but with wear, as the area under my sit bones would 
> settle, the hump in the saddle( running for-aft) would cause extreme 
> discomfort. I just had to give up on Brooks. I have been using a Secialized 
> Phenom for about a year, but it's not so great on longer rides like I 
> remember my Brooks in the early years of ownership. Has anyone with issues 
> similar to mine switched over to a Berthoud saddle and felt some 
> improvement?

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