On 10/17/2016 08:58 AM, jeffrey kane wrote:

So faced with the decision to buy a new Team Pro -- or try yet another saddle -- I went with the Aspin (Arivis, actually -- but same shape) because that saddle also looked to fit my needs based on the numbers. And it did -- but here's the odd part -- I must be the only person to be disappointed with it's longevity. It broke in very quickly (read: sagged) and once, when soaked in a rainstorm I didn't see coming -- sagged so much that I thought it was a goner. To it's credit, I was able to get it back into shape again and am finishing a second season with it -- though, I've had to run the tension bolt in a bunch more than expected -- and again, I always have that nagging feeling that it's sagging towards state of ultimate uselessness.

I like that I can at least order new leather for it -- but wish I'd had that 500 mile break-in period everyone talks about and the impression that the leather is somehow thicker. Mine does not seem overly thick compared to the Books models I've used in the past ... and well, it's not behaving much differently, either.

It is comfortable, however, and I get that these are leather saddles, therefor somewhat subject to the varying nature of "natural" material -- so I suppose I'll try replacing the leather sooner or later ... if not next season then likely the season after.

I am curious if anyone else has had a similar Berthoud experience -- I weigh between 150 and 160lb, generally, btw.

I've not been caught in the rain without fenders or a saddle cover riding a leather saddle since the 1990s, so I can't speak to how well a Berthoud saddle would do in those conditions. I can say, last year I bought a dark brown Aspin that broke in alarmingly quickly - very soft in just 50 miles. I contacted the seller who in turn contacted Gilles Berthoud and learned they'd had a few reported cases like mine. The saddle was replaced under warranty, with an Aravis, which has been just fine, as have the other five Berthoud saddles. As for weight: mine's substantially more.

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