As far as I can tell if you rode an old 56cm Atlantis you would now be
on a MIT 53cm Atlantis and you would have essentially the same reach
(a mm or 2 less)  and 5mm more stack and a cm more crotch clearance on
the MIT 53cm.

-Dave J

On 4/10/18, lconley <lcon...@brph.com> wrote:
> I also need to check seat post size. If it is not 27.2 then I may need to
> look elsewhere if it doesn't have a long TT because I cannot use the lugged
>
> setback seatpost (I am of the stumpy legs and chimp arms variety). I honed
> the ID of my 27.0 ID seat tube Bombadil to about 27.1 so I could use the
> lugged seatpost.
>
> I seem to remember many years ago, when the most important aspect of a
> saddle was it's weight, putting my elbow up to the seat tip and seeing
> where the end of the stem was to determine stem length - ideal was the
> longest finger reached the bars. These days - in order to be comfortable,
> it is way beyond that - not trying to fit on a racing bike anymore.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:58:51 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
>> Garth, yep, I know stack and reach.  To my weird brain though, if I know
>> PBH, and I also know the goofy
>> "[top-of-seatpost-at-comfy-height]__to__[center-of-bar-flats-at-comfy-stem-height]"
>>
>> measurement on a bike that I know fits me well, then I'm an instant away
>> from seeing whether another bike can be configured to fit me well ...
>> whether I have stork legs and t-rex arms, or stumpy legs and chimp arms.
>> I
>> don't think you can say the same for PBH-only bike sizing.
>>
>> If you take that latter goofy measurement on a bike that fits you well,
>> and cut a piece of string to that length, then 'overlay' it on a bike
>> you're thinking about getting, you'd be able to see in an instant whether
>>
>> you can get a stem with the right reach (and height) -- plus a saddle with
>>
>> enough adjustment in the rails for proper setback -- for the new bike to
>> fit you just as well as your existing bike.  Assuming your PBH is also
>> accommodated.
>>
>> I know, weird, and likely overkill if you're in the middle of the PBH
>> range. But there are many who are in between PBH ranges, and/or don't have
>>
>> 'normal' upper/lower torso ratios.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:52:17 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,  The standard measurement these days by more and more frame makers
>>> is called the reach, along with the stack.  Riv has recently added these
>>> to
>>> their geometry chart and can reveal how deceptive TT alone can be, let
>>> alone any 1 certain measurement by itself.
>>>
>>> All of the numbers are meant as a guide of course, as every body is
>>> unique, some more/less flexible and feel best in this or that
>>> position...not what someone else tells them is best for them.
>>>
>>> There are many articles explaining it, here's one ...
>>> https://velovoice.blogspot.com/2015/05/bike-sizing-stack-and-reach.html
>>>
>>>
>
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