Steve: First, no one who is competent ever had more than 1/2 second's
drawback putting a derailleur wheel into horizontal dropouts. Second,
as to the argument from who is to suffer for others' convenience, that
is surely a double edged sword and reduces to "I want" versus "they
want."

As to the availability of sturdy, steel internal-cam QRs, if all the
cheap MTB and second bike boom road bike QRs disappear off the market,
Riv can source them from some obscure Shanghai maker and add them to
the build kit for those who (strangely) want derailleurs * for a
sizable premium.

* Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap,
uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a
(gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!!

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:

>
> Horizontal dropouts NEVER worked "well."  They worked lousy, and they
> slipped even with the "good" style quick releases -- and these days, the
> good style quick releases are getting scarce.  Why should most of us
> suffer so that a tiny handful have the option to remove the supplied
> drive train on this bargain basement Riv and pay extra to install an
> internal gear hub?

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