I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of 
some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with 
horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain.

- Jim W.

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On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops,  never 
> an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and 
> rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, 
> especially if they want to get a broad audience. 
> 
> On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, "PATRICK MOORE" <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about
> buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be
> deprived of the cheapest Rivendell?
> 
> Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of
> horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an
> ENO and one with replacement 1010s.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Heartily agreed, steve.
> >
> > -sv
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, "Steve Palincsar" <palin...@his.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> >> > +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
> >>
> >> Why?  They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
> >> derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive
> >> train.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >         I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course)
> >> >         spends high
> >> >         $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own,
> >> >         along
> >> >         with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at
> >> >         least to
> >> >         judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at
> >> >         my (as
> >> >         rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house.
> >> >
> >> >         I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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