I'm not saying Fenway is a launching pad; it was an offensive ballpark because of the extra hits off the wall and the lack of foul territory. But if you think it isn't easier to hit home runs over the wall 315 feet away than it is 390 feet away, you're crazy. Don't have time to find the splits right now, but again -- harder to hit HR to center and right, easier to left.
Steve O On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Never was a home run park. > > That was an urban legend based on a cursory glance at the 310 on the left > field wall. > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Fenway, for most of our lives, was an above-average home run park (as was >> Wrigley), but the incredible shrinking ballparks now make it almost a >> pitcher's park. I'm pretty sure, however, that it's still a plus HR park to >> left field, but the distance to right field and center make it tougher to >> homer that way. Just don't have time to look up the splits. >> >> Steve O >> >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Beaudoin, John < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Okay, I can buy that. But you have to admit, that we have some funky >>> stuff. It’s not just the wall. >>> >>> The bullpen was put there for Ted Williams. They noticed he hit the ball >>> there a lot and so they put the bullpen there for him to get more homers. >>> That made a whacky triangle even worse. You’ve got the right field foul >>> pole way down the line for hooking home runs that a relatively really short. >>> The wall is a spectacle in its own world. The left field seats protrude >>> so that a fair ball slicing off the field can change directions completely. >>> The wind can come from anywhere and even two different directions at once. >>> It’s crazy. I love all that. I just hate the damned uncomfortable seats >>> that don’t even face the action. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2009 10:19 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>> >>> >>> >>> The doubles are due to the wall. >>> >>> Notice the triples are slightly higher, and I think the triangle is the >>> key. 420 feet seems to generate triples ala the Tiger's park. >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Beaudoin, John < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I’ll argue that the higher instance of doubles in Fenway is attributed >>> more to our whacky triangle in the outfield than the wall. The wall turns >>> screaming homers into singles, not doubles. Doubles off the wall are >>> usually higher with more hang time. But the triangle is crazy no-man’s >>> land. Let’s look at triples. Bet we have more because of the triangle and >>> those protrusions after the bases, especially third. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2009 10:07 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>> >>> >>> >>> You are both right. >>> >>> Fenway is slightly below average for HR and much higher than average for >>> doubles. >>> >>> The occasional pop fly that lands over the wall is not statistically >>> significant. It occurs about as much as the screamer that is a single. And >>> right field eats up a lot of would be home runs. But lefties love flicking >>> singles and doubles off the wall. Fred Lynn specifically called out that >>> strategy for getting out of slumps. >>> >>> But enough qualitative crap. Here are the real numbers on Fenway. This >>> is an easy stat. You take the same players and see how they do at home and >>> on the road: >>> >>> Rk >>> >>> Park >>> Name<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=venueName&season=2009> >>> >>> Runs<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=runsFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> HR<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=HRFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> H<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=hitsFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> 2B<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=doublesFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> 3B<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=triplesFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> BB<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=walksFactor&season=2009> >>> >>> 11 >>> >>> Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts) >>> >>> 1.091 >>> >>> 0.936 >>> >>> 1.053 >>> >>> 1.621 >>> >>> 1.050 >>> >>> 0.906 >>> >>> >>> >>> What's also interesting is that the number of walks goes down. I wonder >>> why that would happen? >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:37 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The Wall does both. There have been high fly balls that make it over, >>> that would be pop-up outs in most parks. There have been screaming line >>> drives that woud homers in any other park that become doubles (or even >>> singles) in Fenway. No one has the answer to this one, but my instinct is >>> it is about even. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri May 22 09:23:24 2009 >>> Subject: Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>> >>> Wasn't it the Eck? And come on now, while Fenway isn't a homer haven like >>> some of the small new parks, it has been a complete truism that it's easier >>> to loft a seemingly harmless fly ball over the Green Monster than it is in >>> most places. The left field wall is simply closer in Fenway than it is >>> anywhere else. >>> >>> The best hitters in Fenway may have always been lefties, but that's >>> because they can flick opposite field doubles off the Monster that might >>> have been caught elsewhere. >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> So who did the color on Jason Bay's two run home run yesterday? >>> The guy said something like, "He's not just a Fenway hitter, flipping the >>> ball over the wall." >>> >>> This tells me that either this guy is not from around here, new >>> to broadcasting, or just not very knowledgeable about baseball beyond the >>> cliches. 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