I thought of this conversation at the game on Sunday. We had one home run that scraped right down at the 310 mark, and then a long hard single off the wall.
That along with the balk, instant replay ruling, and rain delay made for an interesting game. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>wrote: > I'm not saying Fenway is a launching pad; it was an offensive ballpark > because of the extra hits off the wall and the lack of foul territory. But > if you think it isn't easier to hit home runs over the wall 315 feet away > than it is 390 feet away, you're crazy. Don't have time to find the splits > right now, but again -- harder to hit HR to center and right, easier to > left. > > Steve O > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Never was a home run park. >> >> That was an urban legend based on a cursory glance at the 310 on the left >> field wall. >> >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Steve Ouellette < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Fenway, for most of our lives, was an above-average home run park (as was >>> Wrigley), but the incredible shrinking ballparks now make it almost a >>> pitcher's park. I'm pretty sure, however, that it's still a plus HR park to >>> left field, but the distance to right field and center make it tougher to >>> homer that way. Just don't have time to look up the splits. >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Beaudoin, John < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, I can buy that. But you have to admit, that we have some funky >>>> stuff. It’s not just the wall. >>>> >>>> The bullpen was put there for Ted Williams. They noticed he hit the >>>> ball there a lot and so they put the bullpen there for him to get more >>>> homers. That made a whacky triangle even worse. You’ve got the right >>>> field >>>> foul pole way down the line for hooking home runs that a relatively really >>>> short. The wall is a spectacle in its own world. The left field seats >>>> protrude so that a fair ball slicing off the field can change directions >>>> completely. The wind can come from anywhere and even two different >>>> directions at once. It’s crazy. I love all that. I just hate the damned >>>> uncomfortable seats that don’t even face the action. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2009 10:19 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The doubles are due to the wall. >>>> >>>> Notice the triples are slightly higher, and I think the triangle is the >>>> key. 420 feet seems to generate triples ala the Tiger's park. >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Beaudoin, John < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I’ll argue that the higher instance of doubles in Fenway is attributed >>>> more to our whacky triangle in the outfield than the wall. The wall turns >>>> screaming homers into singles, not doubles. Doubles off the wall are >>>> usually higher with more hang time. But the triangle is crazy no-man’s >>>> land. Let’s look at triples. Bet we have more because of the triangle and >>>> those protrusions after the bases, especially third. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2009 10:07 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are both right. >>>> >>>> Fenway is slightly below average for HR and much higher than average for >>>> doubles. >>>> >>>> The occasional pop fly that lands over the wall is not statistically >>>> significant. It occurs about as much as the screamer that is a single. >>>> And >>>> right field eats up a lot of would be home runs. But lefties love flicking >>>> singles and doubles off the wall. Fred Lynn specifically called out that >>>> strategy for getting out of slumps. >>>> >>>> But enough qualitative crap. Here are the real numbers on Fenway. This >>>> is an easy stat. You take the same players and see how they do at home and >>>> on the road: >>>> >>>> Rk >>>> >>>> Park >>>> Name<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=venueName&season=2009> >>>> >>>> Runs<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=runsFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> HR<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=HRFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> H<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=hitsFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> 2B<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=doublesFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> 3B<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=triplesFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> BB<http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=walksFactor&season=2009> >>>> >>>> 11 >>>> >>>> Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts) >>>> >>>> 1.091 >>>> >>>> 0.936 >>>> >>>> 1.053 >>>> >>>> 1.621 >>>> >>>> 1.050 >>>> >>>> 0.906 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What's also interesting is that the number of walks goes down. I wonder >>>> why that would happen? >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:37 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Wall does both. There have been high fly balls that make it over, >>>> that would be pop-up outs in most parks. There have been screaming line >>>> drives that woud homers in any other park that become doubles (or even >>>> singles) in Fenway. No one has the answer to this one, but my instinct is >>>> it is about even. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri May 22 09:23:24 2009 >>>> Subject: Re: Color on Bay Home Run? >>>> >>>> Wasn't it the Eck? And come on now, while Fenway isn't a homer haven >>>> like some of the small new parks, it has been a complete truism that it's >>>> easier to loft a seemingly harmless fly ball over the Green Monster than it >>>> is in most places. The left field wall is simply closer in Fenway than it >>>> is >>>> anywhere else. >>>> >>>> The best hitters in Fenway may have always been lefties, but that's >>>> because they can flick opposite field doubles off the Monster that might >>>> have been caught elsewhere. >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> So who did the color on Jason Bay's two run home run yesterday? >>>> The guy said something like, "He's not just a Fenway hitter, flipping the >>>> ball over the wall." >>>> >>>> This tells me that either this guy is not from around here, new >>>> to broadcasting, or just not very knowledgeable about baseball beyond the >>>> cliches. Nobody "flips" a ball over a 31 foot wall, and the best hitters >>>> in >>>> Fenway have always been lefties. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >> www.fpgasimulation.com >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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