I'm not giving up either. He's been too good for too long to completely lose
it overnight. I think.

Though he is looking painfully like Tony Clark that one year ... without the
good defense.

Steve O



On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Lobosco, Angelo <[email protected]>wrote:

>  I think it’s too early to completely throw in the towel on Ortiz.  How
> about bringing Ron Jackson back, just to work with Ortiz?  Send the two of
> them off somewhere for a few weeks and see what happens...
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:23 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Trade Papi
>
>
>
> Ray, get back to the realm of possibility. There is a zero percent chance
> that Smoltz will be traded before he gets to the majors and shows he can
> still pitch. And if he's successful, there's a zero percent chance he's used
> as a sweetener to take Papi off our hands.
>
> If Papi can't shake this, there's a chance that the Sox will eat his
> contract, but they're not going to pay another team for the privilege.
>
> Steve O
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't put too much weight behind "class" as a trade demotivator.
>
>
>
> Remember Arroyo's hometown discount and subsequent trade.  Now THAT was
> classless.
>
>
>
> As for Smoltz, who cares if he wanted to be a trade chit.  As they told
> Crash Davis, "You get to come to the ballpark each day and get paid for
> doing it."
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> There's no way they're going to up and trade Smoltz before he throws a
> pitch for them, coming off of shoulder surgery. 1) because he doesn't have
> much value until he shows he can pitch and 2) it's a classless way of
> handling him -- he didn't agree to come to Boston as a trade chit.
>
> Steve O
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> If he means to retire then he should do it, and decrease the surplus
> population. -- Scrooge Salemi.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> yes but doesn't Papi have a clause to stop a trade?  Anyway, if the
> news has any baring Papi wants to stay put and would rather retire
> then be traded.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Why do you say that?  I can see him retiring because nobody wants him,
> but I
> > if a trade offer became available I think the org would jump on it.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> More likely Papi will retire here before the org would trade him.  I see
> >> the FO giving him till the All Star game before putting any real changes
> >> into place.
> >>
> >> Sent from Larry's iPhone
> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> And they'll be trading their
> >>
> worst-hitter-in-the-majors-who-can't-play-defense-and-makes-$14-million-next-year
> >> to who exactly?
> >>
> >> Steve O
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Now that Smolz is coming back it's time to package him up with Papi and
> >>> send them on his way.  The Sox need a real DH and getting rid of Ortiz
> will
> >>> make room for that to happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide"
> www.fpgasimulation.com
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>
>
> --
> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide"
> www.fpgasimulation.com
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