Stimate domnule Dicu-Sava Cristian, nu numai ca NU am evitat sa amintesc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romania_eu_list/message/24748 chiar am subliniat ca o anumita decizie este legata indeosebi de guvernarea precedenta care incerca prin aceasta actiune sa isi "spele pacatele psd-iste" si sa intre in gratiile administratiei actuale americane. Pe de alta parte, din perspectiva US, de ce sa nu recunoastem DESCHIS si sa nu vorbim despre un subiect mai delicat si anume ca este din ce in ce mai clara stupiditatea unei categorii periferice din societatea americana, un fel de plavani/humanoizi primitivi,exaltati si foarte patrunsi de povestile cu consipratii anti-americane care s-ar "coace" in EU,care gandesc adesea la modul "noi in US suntem cei mai buni, ceilalti de aiurea sunt niste nimeni",specimene ce transpira din greu cand se iscalesc,majoritatea nu au reusit nici macar performanta absolvirii unei high school(liceu),au o gandire binara suprapusa peste un patriotism ieftin de parada/bodega, si,sub aburii de whiskey ce le incetoseaza putinii neuroni functionali, sunt excitati de esenta gandirii lor exprimate "magnific" prin: "let's kick some arab asses"!Acestia sunt cei care fac de fapt un deserviciu Americii prin exaltare, prin extremismul "gandirii" primitive de care dau dovada,practic nefiind mare diferenta intre un (pretins "patriot" de parada/bodega) american exaltat (catolic/altceva) si un exaltat musulman, mai ales daca ambii se exprima si par sa gandeasca similar. La polul opus as da ca exemplu majoritatea universitatilor US in care profesorii si studentii,intr-o proportie considerabila, se pronunta din ce in ce mai sceptic in privinta politicii externe a US necontenind sa atraga atentia asupra IMENSELOR probleme interne care nu par sa deranjeze prea tare administratia actuala in comparatie cu imensele fonduri cheltuite in razboi, probleme din care nu putem sa nu remarcam invatamantul public aflat intr-o situatie dezastruoasa, sistemul de asigurari medicale, etc.De exemplu ultima concluzie a comisiei de control a securitatii aeroportuare spune ca dupa zecile de miliarde cheltuite in ultimii 3,5 ani, securitatea este cam la acelasi nivelul cu inaintea lui 9/11!Grav, nu? Revenind la ideea presupuselor consipratii de stanga europene care alimenteaza imaginatia simpatizantiilor de speculatii "anti- americane" ce p[rovin din europa,e evident ca aici este un fel de gandire la nivelul 1950, ceea ce se numea atunci McChartysm, o idee total perimata daca ne gandim ca in ultimele 2 decenii personalitati de stanga s-au dovedit a fi mai deschise reformei decat radicali incorsetati in gandire si incapabili de decizii de pe esicherul de dreapta.Sa amintim numai ca incheierea Cold War/caderea Cortinei de Fier fara vreun conflict major,s-au datorat unui reformator provenit de la stanga esicherului politic,Mihail Gorbaciov, a carui abilitate in dialog a fost/este unanim recunoscuta.Deci lucrurile nu mai stau deloc ca la nivelul 1950. Mai departe revenind la decizia neparticiparii in Iraq, eu sunt de acord si in final putem exprima orice opinie, insa cum am mai scris, actualul prim-ministru canadian, Paul Martin, este un liberal, fostul prim-ministru, Jean Chretien in timpul careia s-a decis neparticiparea in Iraq, este conservator.Cum ati vazut nici alti guvernanti europeni care au hotarat neparticiparea sau retragerea trupelor nu sunt nici macar socialisti,daramite extremisti de stanga/comunisti.Si atunci unde este consipratia de "extrema stanga europeana/americana" care comploteaza impotriva US?Nicaieri.Ea nu este decat o GOGORITA, un produs al fanteziei unor spirite exaltate/retrograde/dezinformate, o obsesie ce pana la urma nu face decat sa departeze pe unii americani de realitate, exaltandu-i intr- un patriotism desantat de parada (amestecat cu aburi de whiskey)care se manifesta adesea prin idei extremiste sau, si mai caraghios, chiar prin denunt pe la Ambasadele US (cum fac unii de pe grupul asta care se fac de ras cu mesaje/amenintari cu mesaje de denunt scrise la Ambasada US din Bucuresti, se stie el). In ultima instanta, nu este deloc de neglijat faptul ca din astfel de atitudini primitive/exaltate din partea unor "concetateani":) de-ai nostri americani dintr-o anumita categorie periferica,se alimenteaza/este intretinuta in ultimii ani nu numai o usoara raceala politica intre Europa de Vest si US,(this is a fact), ci si o usoara atitudine de xenofobie anti-europeana in US, lucru si mai trist pentru noi cei cu origini europene! La final, spre destindere dau un exemplu de problema care poate ar face mai bine sa procupe/sa dea de gandit unor "concetateni" de ai nostri din US in locul gogoritelor cu "conspiratii anti-americane de stanga europene/americane", un articol din 2002 din National Geografic:
Global goofs: U.S. youth can't find Iraq Wednesday, November 20, 2002 Posted: 9:42 AM EST (1442 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Young Americans may soon have to fight a war in Iraq, but most of them can't even find that country on a map, the National Geographic Society said Wednesday. The society survey found that only about one in seven -- 13 percent -- of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor. Although the majority, 58 percent, of the young Americans surveyed knew that the Taliban and al Qaeda were based in Afghanistan, only 17 percent could find that country on a world map. A U.S.-led force attacked the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan in October 2001, and President Bush has said he is prepared to use force to rid Iraq of any chemical, nuclear or biological weapons programs. The survey asked 56 geographic and current events questions of young people in nine countries and scored the results with traditional grades. The surveyed Americans got a "D," with an average of 23 correct answers. Mexico ranked last with an average score of 21, just three points from a failing grade. WHERE IN THE WORLD Among 18- to 24-year-old Americans given maps: 87 percent cannot find Iraq 83 percent cannot find Afghanistan 76 percent cannot find Saudi Arabia 70 percent cannot find New Jersey 49 percent cannot find New York 11 percent cannot find the United States Topping the scoring was Sweden, with an average of 40, followed by Germany and Italy, each with 38. None of the countries got an "A," which required average scores of 42 correct answers or better on the 56 questions. "If our young people can't find places on a map and lack awareness of current events, how can they understand the world's cultural, economic and natural resource issues that confront us?" John Fahey, president of the National Geographic Society, said in a statement. National Geographic is convening an international panel of policy makers and business and media leaders to find ways to improve geographic education and to encourage interest in world affairs, the society said. Other findings from the survey: • Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific. • When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state. • On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map. • In the world map test, Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16 countries. Germans and Italians were next, with an average of 12 each. • Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean. • Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could find Saudi Arabia on the map. The international survey was conducted for the National Geographic by RoperASW. The results are based on face-to-face interviews with at least 300 men and women aged 18 to 24 in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, Britain and the United States. The questionnaires were in the local language, but the content was universally the same. --- In [email protected], "Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stimate domnule Dan d n > > De ce evitam sa spunem lucrurilor pe nume ? > Asa cum bine se stie Iliescu, Nastase, PSD, doreau eternizarea la putere. > Simpla castigtare a alegerilor pe plan intern nu le era suficienta pentru obtinerea recunoasterii internationale si a obtinerii beneficiilor > (materiale personale) ce rezultau in cazul admiterii in UE si NATO. > Sper ca sunteti de acord ca viitoarea baza militara americana de la xxxx ar fi incheiat un contract de furnizare oua cu ferma domnului Nastase, > cunoscut producator al acestui aliment. :)))) > > Datorita permanentelor reprosuri la adresa administratiei romane, a justitiei, a scandalurilor bancare, a coruptiei, la adresa adoptiilor de copii, etc, PDS, in cea mai frumoasa traditie fanariota, a CUMPARAT recunoasterea politica a PORTII, adica a "greilor" momentului, prin trimiterea de de soldati romani in strainatate si prin contracte incredintate direct atat unor firme americane cat si europene. > Trebuia in mod OBLIGATOTIU sa compenseze cu ceva imaginea de coruptie generalizata existenta in vest referitor la Romania. > > O anume baroneasa venea (periodic) tunand si fulgerand si pleca .... zambind si afirmand ca lucrurile s-au imbunatatit simtitor. (intre data venirii si plecarii din Romania, adica in 3 zile) :)))))) > > Ne place sau nu, Romania a cotizat din greu pentru acceptarea in UE si NATO. Si o sa mai cotizeze. > > Cu stima, > Dicu-Sava Cristian > --- In [email protected], "Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stimate domnule Dan, > > Va rog sa imi permiteti, ca traitor de 40 de ani de comunism, sa am "fixurile" mele. > "Fixuri" pe care cred ca le au si alte persoane ce au supravietuit cu mintea relativ intreaga perioadei comuniste. > Si subliniez: RELATIV. Intrucat nu scapa nimeni netarat dupa o asemenea perioada. > > In consecinta, chiar daca nu sunt tot atat de direct ca domnul Bouleanu, nu imi este rusine sa afirm ca si eu suspectez "stanga" > de toate relele pamantului si de toate comploturile posibile. :)))) > Prefer sa fiu "bolnav de scenarita" decat dus de nas de actiuni de strangere de semnaturi pentru eliberarea jurnalistilor unde pe ultima foaie a caietului scrie ca sunt pentru retragerea trupelor romane din Irak. > > Cu stima, > Dicu-Sava Cristian > www.dsclex.ro ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Take a look at donorschoose.org, an excellent charitable web site for anyone who cares about public education! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_OLuKD/8WnJAA/cUmLAA/RR.olB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *** sustineti [romania_eu_list] prin 1% din impozitul pe 2005 - detalii la http://www.europe.org.ro/euroatlantic_club/unulasuta.php *** Yahoo! 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