Hi, I'm not Mr. Packager either, but my understanding is that the rsyslog upgrade doc basically provides a command that updates the whole system, not just rsyslog, and that may not only be unnecessary, but is also scary and bad because it could update all kinds of stuff. Note that I didn't try it myself and am acting as a messenger & interpreter here.
Otis -- Monitoring * Alerting * Anomaly Detection * Centralized Log Management Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Rainer Gerhards <[email protected]> wrote: > I am not a packaging person... Does the install rsyslog also take care of > its dependencies? If so, the install is for sure better advise. > > Rainer > > Sent from phone, thus brief. > Am 20.10.2014 20:18 schrieb "Otis Gospodnetic" <[email protected] > >: > > > Hello, > > > > Btw. here is some feedback from one of the Logsene users regarding > rsyslog > > update instructions: > > > > just a small feedback on http://www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ doc > > > > Step 3 is "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" > > Monday, October 20 2014 9:21 AM > > I guess that it is not a good advice to tell people to run sudo apt-get > > upgrade > > They are installing rsyslog and doesn't expect their server to update > other > > components > > as Cassandra in my case > > Monday, October 20 2014 9:22 AM > > I took care of it but you might trip someone who would not take care > > Monday, October 20 2014 9:25 AM > > Yeah, no problem, we'll point it out to rsyslog people, although they are > > hard-core so I'm pretty sure this is not a mistake and there is a reason > > they wrote that > > Monday, October 20 2014 9:37 AM > > It looks pretty dangerous and useless to me. An update followed by a > > install rsyslog are just fine and a lot safer imho. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Otis > > -- > > Monitoring * Alerting * Anomaly Detection * Centralized Log Management > > Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:53 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > >> > > >> We recently had a new Logsene <http://sematext.com/logsene/> user who > > had > > >> some issues tailing a file with application logs and sending them to > our > > >> rsyslog. After some digging we looked at the rsyslog version. It > > turned > > >> out to be 5.x. Ancient! But even scarier was that this was on Ubuntu > > >> 12.04, which I still think of as relatively new! And then I looked at > > >> Ubuntu 14.04 and the upcoming 14.10 and it looks like they only have > > >> 7.4.4. I then looked at CentOS 7, which is really new, and that also > > has > > >> 7.4.x! > > >> > > >> Aren't all of these quite old and quite different from 8.4.x? > > >> Are there *any* semi-common/popular Linux distros that have rsyslog > 8.x? > > >> > > > > > > 8.x came out just too late to make it into the early 2014 distros as > the > > > default > > > > > > Finally, is there anything Adiscon could do or is doing to get 8.x > into > > >> new > > >> versions of some of the more popular Linux distros? > > >> > > > > > > Adiscon (and others) are providing packages of the new versions that > can > > > be installed in the older distros, there are PPA repositories for > Ubuntu. > > > > > > The problem is that distros are always going to lag behind current > > > development, and the faster the pace of development, the more they will > > > lag. Part of the problem is the delay from when versions are selected > and > > > the time that the distro is released. > > > > > > In case of Logsene, if we see people having trouble with rsyslog > simply > > >> because their distros have very old versions of rsyslog, we may simply > > >> have > > >> to recommend Logstash, because when we recommend that we can be pretty > > >> sure > > >> people will either have or will get one of the more recent > versions.... > > >> and > > >> this is probably much easier to install because, I assume, manually > > >> updating rsyslog is tricky because of dependencies, packages, etc. > > >> > > > > > > If you look at the versions of logstash that are in the distros, you > will > > > see that they are as old as the versions of rsyslog. > > > > > > But you are assuming incorrectly that there is a huge dependency > problem > > > installing a new rsyslog package. I would suggest that you try it and > see > > > how easy it is. > > > > > > I was wondering if there is anything that could be done about this > from > > >> rsyslog or Adiscon side? > > >> > > > > > > Only the distro maintainers can update the versions that are included > in > > > the distros. I don't know why they stuck with 5.x for so long (they > > > basically ignored 6.x and didn't start including 7.x until 8.x was > > already > > > out). There isn't much that Adiscon or the Rsyslog developers can do. > > > > > > Seriously, try updating from the Adiscon repositories/PPA, it's really > > > easy. > > > > > > David Lang > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > rsyslog mailing list > > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > > What's up with rsyslog? 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