--- In [email protected], "Scale S Only" <scaleso...@...> wrote:
>One more comment on the AM Budd cars:
The Santa Fe had a bunch of 73 foot 6 inch Budd built coaches, chair cars and
chair-
observation cars. These were all pre-war design and built between 1936 and
1938. While
the AM cars are not an exact match, they do come close. The Santa Fe used them
on most
secondary trains after the war (Golden Gate, El Capitan, San Diegan, Scout,
Chicogoan,
Kansas Cityian, etc.). Many lasted into the 1960's and went on to Amtrak
service. John
McCall's excellent AT&SF Passenger Car Reference book series has all of the
details.
I ended up adding old AM smooth-side domes to 4 AM Budd coaches and rebuilt the
observation with a dome and modified rear end to "replicate" a W.P. Califiornia
Zepher
train set. Not the best, but it looks good at train shows running behind a WP
A-B-B set of
F-3's and is the best one can do for now. Maybe one day we really will see
those 80 foot
resin kits (NYC & maybe CZ).
Like Bill, I'm of the large radius school and run 10-12 car trains of 80
footers. Mine,
however, are all Espee and replicate Pullman-Standard prototypes for the Lark
and Shasta
Daylight, including articulated 3 unit diners. Also, please remember that "80
foot" light
weight passenger cars can range between 79 ft. and 85 ft. depending on the
prototype.
The Pullman-Standard book series clearly show this diversity in length.
One thing about model railroading, you can usually find a prototype for
anything if you
search hard enough.
Merry Christmas to all. Hope you got all of the "S"tuff you asked "S"anta for.
Bob Hogan
> Hi all --
>
> To add to the discussion (there is no debating that the cars are too short
> for the intended prototype) ---
>
> Because I am of the large curve, full length group, I took my "short" Budd
> diner and observation and turned them into an articulated diner. The coach
> and RPO remain as they were intended, because they are close enough to
> "full" length as is. There were many shorter than 85 foot cars -- the SP
> had a number of 77 foot coaches, so the 72 foot car does not look all that
> bad mixed in with the 85 foot smoothsides (even if Budd might never have
> made such a car). Obviously, I a m NOT bound to a true prototype rail
> vehicle within my modeling, an advantage I have by using a personal road
> name. I have added a photo of the diner to my SLE&P album.
>
> Merry Christmas and a geat New Year!
> Bill Winans
>
>
> The specific prototypes for the AM Budd cars are the 85-foot Empire State
> Express (NYC) cars, built in 1941.
>
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