Bill, I understand the need to keep this site focused on "S" scale modeling, but how to promote "S" scale through publishing articles, including photos, especially in non-"S" magazines may also be an appropriate theme. I'll offer one last thought on the JPEG/RAW/TIF discussion. My Nikon P4 point-and-shoot downloads all images in JPEG format as is likely the case with many point-and-shoot digital cameras. But there are many photo enhancement software programs that allow one to convert from JPEG to TIF. In my case the software that came with the camera allows you to do it. So I download in JPEG and immediately convert to TIF, enhance if needed in TIF and then submit for publication as TIF. Works fine. I shoot at 8 megapixels, the maximum resolution on the P4, and it's plenty good for covers and full pages in magazines.
As Mike says, like anything there is some learning here. One way is to find another modeler (maybe a non-"S" gauger) in your area who has submitted photos and get some one-on-one assistance. Your local hobby store (not many left, I know) may be able to point you to someone. Even taking your laptop and camera to a local photo shop would probably be a source of some help. One final thought: Not just any point-and-shoot will produce satisfactory model photos. You must be able to manually control the aperture (set at smallest available opening...highest f-stop number)and let the auto timer control the length of the exposure. Also, set the lens at it's 'widest angle' focal length (lowest numeric mm value). Do not use any telephoto as that will reduce the depth of field. Happy shooting! Brooks --- In [email protected], "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmar...@...> wrote: > > DCC is like anything new to us in life. > > After you get some experience with it, it is great. > > Remember when you first got a computer, VCR, etc.? > > in time, it will be nothing to you to use. > > Hope you are doing well with the decal work on your Passenger cars. > > mike > > From: shabbona_rr > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Cameras > > > That's one reason I haven't succumbed to DCC. It's one more digitized > headache I can live without, and I would rather use my obviously limited > brain capacity on more productive pursuits. > > Knowing how much time I spend on electronic nincompoopery anyway, I don't > know how some of these people get so much done, yet, I know they do, because > we see the results of their efforts every day. > > The other day, on some website, someone was raving about the value of > histograms in improving photographs, so I looked it up. I might as well have > been up against a ten foot thick glass wall. I could visually see people > happily applying information from histograms to improve their pictures, but I > had no idea what they were doing, or how they got to the other side of that > glass wall! > > On the other hand, I FNF for the day was installing a microswitch to kill the > North Yard storage tracks at Terminal District when the switch is lined > against them. It worked and I feel great. Life is good! > > "S"tring Bob > > --- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, "Roger Nulton" <roger.nulton@> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > Even though I've managed to install DCC on my layout, like you, I think, I > > am being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century <g>. I only > > will learn this stuff if I have to to get what I want. > > Roger > > > > > > From: shabbona_rr > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:46 PM > > To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Cameras > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > You're computer probably didn't "lock up", but the TIF file is so large > > that they can take an eternity to load. I found this out when I was working > > on my Mississippi River backdrop. I'm not sure what the answer is but, like > > you, I'd like to know more, if for nothing more than improving my own work. > > > > Maybe a memory bank the size of a small closet? > > > > Bob Nicholson ______________________________________ > > > > --- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, "Roger Nulton" <roger.nulton@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > I would like to see this discussion too. The issue of JPEG vs. TIFF is > > > confusing to me. I was sent some plans in TIFF a while back and they > > > locked up my computer when I tried to open them: it was not an antique > > > computer either<g>. When I save pics from my digital camera, they are > > > identified as JPG in the basic photo program that I like to use. They > > > look pretty clear to me, even when enlarged for cropping. > > > > > > Roger Nulton > > > > > > > > > From: shabbona_rr > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:49 AM > > > To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Cameras > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, this is a technical question, and then I'll drop the subject because > > > it is only vaguely related to trains. > > > > > > Due to the discussion on this list, I took a 4.26 MB JPEG photo and saved > > > it as a TIF. According to the properties, the TIF is 26.1 MB. How did > > > changing the format raise the size of the photo to that degree? Also, I > > > didn't really see much difference in the quality of the photo in either > > > format. > > > > > > I would really like to know these things, and study them the best I can, > > > but my comprehension is sometimes a little limited without some outside > > > help. I didn't know how hard it is to draw a straight line until I tried > > > to do it with a computer, and now I'm having the same problem with taking > > > a picture. > > > > > > Bob, I attended your clinic in Duluth, and a lot of my questions all > > > began to come together, but to much time elapsed between then and when I > > > got to try the techniques you described. > > > > > > Offline responses welcome to save the list for more important things, > > > like '56 Fords (with Overdrive, I might add), '73 Mustangs, and DCC, etc. > > > :<) > > > > > > Bob Nicholson ______________________________________________ > > > > > > --- In mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com, Bob Werre <bob@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Chris is stating basically the same information that I've been giving > > > > at > > > > my various clinics at the NASG conventions. I was told when I attended > > > > an imging seminar once that a JEPG is created by the camera's onboard > > > > computer. This itty bitty computer takes the raw data and compresses it > > > > the best it can, whereas if you shoot in RAW you now have everything > > > > that the camera can produce. Then your larger full blown computer does > > > > the rest of the work with your 'abiliities' controling the computer. > > > > > > > > Chris also mentions that he likes to be able to crop and recompose the > > > > image because it will help his design. For the last 35 years they've > > > > always told me to shoot 'loose' so they can do just that. So if you > > > > have a 4 mp camera you'll have to shoot a little tighter (thus giving > > > > the designer fewer choices) or reproduce the final image a bit smaller. > > > > On the other hand some of the most recent camera offerings will provide > > > > an excess of information that most pros really don't need. So don't be > > > > fooled when someone says they shooting with a 90 mp camera and only > > > > using it for magazine usage where a 10-16 mp will do just fine. The > > > > problem comes up when you have to store all those very large images and > > > > ever more powerful computers to push those pixels around. The > > > > computer, software and camera folks have to sell new stuff to you and > > > > me. > > > > > > > > Bob Werre > > > > BobWphoto.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Borgmeyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally a technical bugaboo. JPEGs are lossy. That means they loose > > > > > data and introduce noise. Even at 100% quality. TIFFs and RAW files > > > > > do > > > > > not. If you have the option, shoot in TIFF or RAW. If you must shoot > > > > > a > > > > > JPEG make sure it is the highest quality setting you can shoot. And > > > > > never save a file over and over again as a JPEG. Each time you run > > > > > that JPEG compression algorithm on an image you introduce more and > > > > > more noise. Trust me, with todays monitors all those jaggies will be > > > > > spotted. We know where to look to spot the little rascals. If you're > > > > > editing your shot in Photoshop, for example, save the shot as a PSD > > > > > or > > > > > some non-lossy format as you work. Maintain the quality of the data. > > > > > JPEGs are the enemy. > > > > > > > > > > The moral of all this, composition and quality will always catch the > > > > > art director's eye. > > > > > > > > > > Chris Borgmeyer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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