Item #2 actually happened. Can you cite posts from people successfully 
using the tools you mention to get around it? 


On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:48:35 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote:

> On Thu, 2021-09-23 at 18:12 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote:
> > I repeat my strong objections to the proposed change -- which does not 
> > solve any problems and only creates new ones.
> > 
>
> 2, 4, 6, and 7 are addressed by Conda, Nix, Guix, Homebrew, or even
> Gentoo Prefix. These projects *want* to build entire distributions that
> run out of your home directory.
>
>
>
> > 5. The gcc spkg is specifically used in building the binary 
> distribution. 
> > Any discussion of removing the gcc/gfortran spkgs without including a 
> > discussion of deployment as the binary package is incomplete. 
> Availability 
> > of the compilers at runtime is a key feature that we have advertised 
> > through facilities such as the magic %cython directive and others.
> > 
>
> Whoever is building the binary images could install a compiler into
> SAGE_LOCAL with "dpkg-deb -x" or whatever before they start. There's no
> need for it to come from an SPKG.
>
> The fact that we even have to consider these issues supports the claim
> that these packages are a maintenance burden.
>
> And, veering off-topic:
>
> Our binaries aren't really binaries in the traditional sense. We ship a
> 3GB image of an entire operating system. This could be done much easier
> by... shipping an image of an entire operating system: QEMU,
> VirtualBox, Docker, etc. You could tar up an entire Gentoo system with
> sage installed and it would probably take up less space than our
> existing binaries. Similarly, I'm sure we could tar up a Conda image
> where sage was installed and tell people to download that. Provide a
> launcher script and it would work out-of-the-box.
>
>
>

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