On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matthias Koeppe <matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> [Matthias'] Item #2 happened, incidentally, only because we've copy & >> pasted so >> many packages into sage pretending to be a linux distribution. >> Eliminating that problem altogether begins right here, at the root of >> the dependency tree. > > > In another post: > > > [Matthias's items] 2, 4, 6, and 7 are addressed by Conda, Nix, Guix, > Homebrew, or even > > Gentoo Prefix. These projects *want* to build entire distributions that > > run out of your home directory. > > These two comments together really are the crux of the discussion. > > If we say that availability of gfortran in any of these user-installable > distributions is the solution, then this applies to lots of other spkgs as > well --- perhaps to ALL of our non-Python packages. > > So essentially it is to say, let's stop maintaining the Sage distribution. > Sage "distribution" is what's in build/ (and in upstream/). Many packages don't need to be vendored, like we stopped vendoring tar, and we can stop vendoring patch, gcc, gfortran, python3, and few other packages, very easily. Of course these scripts still need to be maintained, so that's not "let's stop maintaining", it's "let's stop vendoring". > > This certainly *could* make sense for the project -- but a lot of work is > needed to bring missing packages to these distributions: conda-forge does > not have all of our optional packages, homebrew is missing a lot of > packages. On the Sage side, also working on the tasks > https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30914 (creating proper upstreams for > some Sage-specific packages) will help. > > The big problem is that the middle ground between "Complete Sage > distribution that works in most use cases" and "No Sage distribution" is > worse than both of the extremes. By removing spkgs one by one, we would > make the Sage distribution less useful. > So this is not a meaningful process. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/323c5a9d-cdd4-42ee-b250-98d2c5caea4bn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/323c5a9d-cdd4-42ee-b250-98d2c5caea4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAAWYfq0E%3DyYqyMpj4%2B2pzvGzu4sW59z37rNkoqFpB_hp4qnhnA%40mail.gmail.com.
