On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 6:26 PM William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote > > We spoiled the users, they assumed that Sage is a distribution. Yes, > there will be a short while they'll ask - and the answer will be: > > RTFM [...] > > I don't want to do that to our users. Sage was started to compete with > [Magma | Mathematica | Maple], so the install process for Sage needed to > compete with what [Magma | Mathematica | Maple] offers. A few weeks ago, > I was bummed that Ken Ribet [1] was lamenting on Facebook that he does NOT > recommend that people install Sage, because it is too confusing or likely > to be broken. Something like [2, 3] but for Sage would go a long way to > help. > Does Ken build Sage from source? I guess he does not, and yes, Sage binaries on macOS in particular are total crap - in part thanks to "let's vendor everything moving" approach, in part thanks to Apple being bad to developers. > Hopefully going forward, we can spoil users of Sage even more than we > already are. > Sage is trying to bite more than it can chew, and it is badly needs to slim down, before becoming a total crap nobody uses. If one wants to spoil (in the good way) Sage users on macOS, more brew formulas are needed for Sage packages. Then a similar to Sage on Debian Sage package might be possible. This is totally orthogonal to vendoring things needlessly. > [1] A good example of a representative influential mathematician, e.g., he > was the last president of the American Mathematical Society. He uses MacOS. > [2] https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab_app > [3] > https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/QeYle_D8Otc/m/_5Q8zHPLAwAJ?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CACLE5GB1PuUXJcU-d-PrOsYo1yL3BTeaJPsVsSq-3nGzT9095Q%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CACLE5GB1PuUXJcU-d-PrOsYo1yL3BTeaJPsVsSq-3nGzT9095Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAAWYfq0hT_e-2Mq1B4MVqEq1P5a929HHUo0bq3z-%2BexK36diRA%40mail.gmail.com.
