Sin, i see your points and to a point i agree. the new movie does change a
couple of class trek eps. AMOK Time and Children of the Gods being the first
to that come 2 mind. then it was the ep - which i am sorry i cannot remember
the name, but the one when Sarek and Amanda beam onto the enterprise and kirk
says to spock "Mr. Spock, we will be in orbit a couple of hours. If you want
to beam down and see your parents, that will be o.k." then spock looks at kirk
and says "Ambassordor Sarek and his wife, are my parents." that was kool as
hell too!
Fate.
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@lycos.com> wrote:
From: Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@lycos.com>
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:55 AM
That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own
words.
"If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie."
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Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000
From : "sincere1906" <sincere1906@ gmail.com>
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Okay. Getting real Trek geek here...
SPOILERS!
SPOILERS!
SPOILSRS!
Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see
guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain
unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're
notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up
and started rippling through the time line?
Jes thinkin aloud...
Sin
-- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "sincere1906" wrote:
>
> Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting
> in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe
> buzz, but here goes...
>
> S P O I L E R S ! ! !
>
> I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was
> well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone
> did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie,
> good. I give it 3 stars out of four.
>
> The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is
> was it good Trek?
>
> On this, I'm truly torn.
>
> First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about
> Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan
> ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that
> we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created
> a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and
> Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move.
> The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their
> hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor
> colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention
> the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this "Ultimate
> Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that
> I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline).
> For all we know future figures like Picard might never
have been born. F!
or the first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into
the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to.
>
> Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where
> this new story fits into Roddenberry' s vision. Even with all its faults, the
> original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main
> character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such
> bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a
> time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing
> illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser
> and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what
> the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic
> court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and
> somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?! ? The Trek world I knew seemed to always
> posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon
> First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new
one--eliminating!
poverty, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and
socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a
credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past,
which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like
us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek
folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th
century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime
directive.
>
> My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some
> universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a
> Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can
> clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll
> just have to wait and see...
>
> MHO
>
> Sin/Black Galactus
>
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
