Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[david]

Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:
> Georg wrote:
> 
>>> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater":
>>> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0 work in IE 6
>>> & lower?
>> IE6 and lower on windows don't support 'position: fixed'.
> ...
>  > IE6 needs workarounds, but that doesn't pose much of a problem, IMO.
> 
> What do you see in this Zengarden design in IE6? Is it scrolling very 
> slowly for you, too, or is that just my machine? This design doesn't 
> seem to include any of your workarounds.

It scrolls very very very slowly here, too. In both FF and IE.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[david]

Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:
> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater":
> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0
> work in IE 6 & lower? On my IE6.0 machine the frame doesn't wrap around 
> the way it does in Firefox & IE7. I would say it breaks gracefully, 
> except page-down is painfully slow for me in IE6. I don't know if it's 
> just that machine, or something about how putting position:relative on 
> the body works (or doesn't) in IE6.

Doesn't work in IE6 here, either. Don't know about Mac IE.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:

>>> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater": 
>>> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0 work in 
>>> IE 6 & lower?
>> IE6 and lower on windows don't support 'position: fixed'.
> ...
>> IE6 needs workarounds, but that doesn't pose much of a problem, 
>> IMO.
> 
> What do you see in this Zengarden design in IE6? Is it scrolling very
>  slowly for you, too, or is that just my machine?

"Full speed" and no problems in IE6 on my machines.

> This design doesn't seem to include any of your workarounds.

The IE-expressions that I use as workaround, are non-valid CSS -
proprietary Microsoft "scripting-in-CSS", so that design would probably
not make it into the zengarden with any of those on board.

If a machine is low on speed and resources, then IE-expressions can "eat
up" resources and slow it noticeable down over time.
Have only noticed such effects if I have a dozen or more IE6 windows
open over longer periods - an hour or so, on one of my slower machines.

It's a tradeoff. Either you want IE6 on board despite the potential
problems, or you accept that it is to old. Anyway, it is better to leave
IE6 behind if too many expressions are needed for _simulating_ proper
CSS support in such an old browser.

I want IE6 on board, so I add IE-expressions to simulate 'position:
fixed' and a few other non-supported layout-details whenever I see the
need - like for my home-pages...


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Re: [css-d] IE8 conditional comment seen by IE multiple versions

[Nancy E. Sosna Bohm]

From: Alan 

>  If you are allowed IE8 to overwrite IE7 and you have multiple versions of
IE [1] by Yousif Al Saif on your PC 
> then the conditional comments meant to target IE8 are seen. Testing in IE6
and IE5.5 I see this.
> [if lt IE 9][if IE 8] [if gt IE 7] [if gte IE 7] [if gt IE 6] [if gte IE
6] [if gt IE 5] [if gte IE 5]
> http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8-cc-seen-by-ie6.htm

I see that in the IE8 beta. Thank goodness the IE6 conditional comments
aren't showing.

Nancy Sosna

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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Mary Ellen Curtin]

Georg wrote:

>> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater":
>> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0 work in IE 6
>> & lower?
>
> IE6 and lower on windows don't support 'position: fixed'.
...
 > IE6 needs workarounds, but that doesn't pose much of a problem, IMO.

What do you see in this Zengarden design in IE6? Is it scrolling very 
slowly for you, too, or is that just my machine? This design doesn't 
seem to include any of your workarounds.

Mary Ellen
Doctor Science, MA
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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:
> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater": 
> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0 work in IE 6
> & lower?

IE6 and lower on windows don't support 'position: fixed'.

IE/Mac supports 'position: fixed' pretty much all the way, but it looks
like they've shut IE/Mac out from the relevant styles for that page. A
pity, really.

> I'm asking because I'd like to use some of the tricks in this design
> for "pseudo-framing", but I'm not going to get into it if it's going
> to be too painful in IE6.

IE6 needs workarounds, but that doesn't pose much of a problem, IMO.

Basic CSS frames are described and demonstrated here...

...and the IE6 workaround is described here...


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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Melissa Meyer]

Mary,
It looks and works great on a mac in firefox and safari!
-Melissa

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Mary Ellen Curtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Lasko asked:
>
> > Is there a browser on the face of the earth it does work in?
>
>  ha. Well, I'm looking at it with IE7 & Firefox2.0 on Vista, and it seems
>  to work OK -- in the sense that there's a big movie-theater marquee
>  wrapped around the text, which scrolls down nicely when you scroll down.
>
>  What are you using, and what kind of "not working" are you seeing?
>
>
>  Mary Ellen
>  Doctor Science, MA
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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Mary Ellen Curtin]

David Lasko asked:
> Is there a browser on the face of the earth it does work in?

ha. Well, I'm looking at it with IE7 & Firefox2.0 on Vista, and it seems 
to work OK -- in the sense that there's a big movie-theater marquee 
wrapped around the text, which scrolls down nicely when you scroll down.

What are you using, and what kind of "not working" are you seeing?

Mary Ellen
Doctor Science, MA
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Re: [css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[David Laakso]

Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:
> How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater":
> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0
> work in IE 6 & lower? 



Hmm.

Is there a browser on the face of the earth it does work in?
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[css-d] CSS Zengarden Design #202

[Mary Ellen Curtin]

How well does CSS Zengarden Design #202, "Retro Theater":
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/202/202.css&page=0
work in IE 6 & lower? On my IE6.0 machine the frame doesn't wrap around 
the way it does in Firefox & IE7. I would say it breaks gracefully, 
except page-down is painfully slow for me in IE6. I don't know if it's 
just that machine, or something about how putting position:relative on 
the body works (or doesn't) in IE6.

Does it look OK in IE on the Mac?

I'm asking because I'd like to use some of the tricks in this design for 
"pseudo-framing", but I'm not going to get into it if it's going to be 
too painful in IE6.

Mary Ellen
Doctor Science, MA
http://doctorscience.blogspot.com 

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Thierry Koblentz]

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable
> 
> 
> The cms "module" pulls a link from the xml - right now they dont want that
> link to be clickable (do not want linked  page to be viewed)- but they
> want the link text to remain
> so they want the "link text to remain" - but actual link gone

Then explain to the client that unless you *remove* the href value, that
document will be indexed by bots and people will get to it via SE results. 

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[neal]

yes it is a terrible thing - goes against the grain of all we stand for!
the client should be caned - and me too for considering it

we can probably end this thread now

> This is really a CMS issue.
>
> Even if you *COULD* do this, then you'd have to *UNDO* it once client
> want's
> the link "clickable". From a professional perspective, I'd just tell the
> client they're suffering from a concussion! And, do you want someone else
> to
> look at your code and say, "Cutting edge, but WTF! What was he smoking?"
>
> Not knowing what the CMS is, I can't speak to specifics, but open source
> CMS' -- e.g., Joomla -- allow you to create menus that do not have "live"
> links, by virtue of the different menu entry "types" it provides.
>
> Within the CMS, why can't the client simply define the link as "#", so
> that
> it just "parks" on the current page? This would seem like the most
> sensible
> way to do it, because as another mentioned, your trying to intervene on
> functionality, when CSS is meant for display.
>
> 
>
> If you do figure this out can you please come over to my house. I have
> this
> nice wooden picket fence, that I want to be maintenance-free vinyl. I
> don't
> want it to LOOK like vinyl, I like the rustic look of the wooden picket.
> What I want is that it ACT like vinyl and have the PROPERTIES of vinyl.
>
> 
>
> That's kind of what you're trying to achieve here!
>
> ...Rob
>
>



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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Rob Emenecker]

This is really a CMS issue. 

Even if you *COULD* do this, then you'd have to *UNDO* it once client want's
the link "clickable". From a professional perspective, I'd just tell the
client they're suffering from a concussion! And, do you want someone else to
look at your code and say, "Cutting edge, but WTF! What was he smoking?"

Not knowing what the CMS is, I can't speak to specifics, but open source
CMS' -- e.g., Joomla -- allow you to create menus that do not have "live"
links, by virtue of the different menu entry "types" it provides. 

Within the CMS, why can't the client simply define the link as "#", so that
it just "parks" on the current page? This would seem like the most sensible
way to do it, because as another mentioned, your trying to intervene on
functionality, when CSS is meant for display. 



If you do figure this out can you please come over to my house. I have this
nice wooden picket fence, that I want to be maintenance-free vinyl. I don't
want it to LOOK like vinyl, I like the rustic look of the wooden picket.
What I want is that it ACT like vinyl and have the PROPERTIES of vinyl. 



That's kind of what you're trying to achieve here! 

...Rob

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[neal]

The cms "module" pulls a link from the xml - right now they dont want that
link to be clickable (do not want linked  page to be viewed)- but they
want the link text to remain
so they want the "link text to remain" - but actual link gone

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> The reason is "that's what the client wants"
>
> But you haven't told _what_ he wants. Just saying "I want links that are
> not links" is not a description.
>
>> <<>> prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less
>>> probable that users click on them,>>>
>>
>> This is proabbly the best to do in my situation
>
> Then there's quite a lot you can do, such as
>
> :link, :visited {
> display: none;
> visibility: hidden;
> font-size: 1px;
> color: black;
> background: black;
> text-decoration: none;
> position: absolute;
> left: -999px; }
>
> but some of this may have effects that the client does not like. So what
> does he want?
>
> Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Frank Piuck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The reason is "that's what the client wants"
> I follow standards fairly well in my own little way - but the client and
> the cms are my nemeses
>
> <<   
>> prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less probable
>> that users click on them,>>>
>> 
>
> This is proabbly the best to do in my situation
> thanks
> Neal
>   
How about making something that is not a link look like a link?
not a link

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Jukka K. Korpela]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The reason is "that's what the client wants"

But you haven't told _what_ he wants. Just saying "I want links that are 
not links" is not a description.

> <<> prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less
>> probable that users click on them,>>>
>
> This is proabbly the best to do in my situation

Then there's quite a lot you can do, such as

:link, :visited {
display: none;
visibility: hidden;
font-size: 1px;
color: black;
background: black;
text-decoration: none;
position: absolute;
left: -999px; }

but some of this may have effects that the client does not like. So what 
does he want?

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http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ 

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Karey Cummins]

this exists in content link
if there any way to make that link non-clickable only with css
---

I've done this when doing tutorials where I show a link to a non-existent
site like www.yournamehere.com.

I either replace the content within the href with a # or else will apply a
class that can span the text so that it looks like a link, i.e. color and
underline.

Hope this helps,
Karey Cummins


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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[neal]

Thanks all
and Ingo - love the sarcasm - well deserved by me violating semantics so
brazenly

The reason is "that's what the client wants"
I follow standards fairly well in my own little way - but the client and
the cms are my nemeses

<< prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less probable
> that users click on them,>>>

This is proabbly the best to do in my situation
thanks
Neal


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> this exists in content
>>
>> link
>
> That's strange (and _quite_ different from a link with
> href="http://www.somewhere.com";), but anyway,...
>
>> if there any way to make that link non-clickable only with css
>
> No, clickability in the general sense is an inherent property of a link:
> a link points at something in a manner that makes it possible to
> "follow" the link. Take that away, and it's not a link any more. In the
> specific concrete sense (a link can be "followed" by clicking on it),
> it's a browser feature. These things belong to functionality, not
> presentation.
>
>> one solution that I do not want to use is putting an absolutely
>> positioned clear image over it.
>
> It does not make the link non-clickable, even though it may make it more
> difficult to click on it.
>
> You can e.g. position a link 99 pixels to the right, and this will
> usually make it so difficult to even notice the existence of the link
> that it probably won't be clicked. But it won't really make it
> non-clickable, partly due to the CSS Caveats (reasons why your CSS might
> not do what you expect, see
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/css-caveats.html ).
>
> So I think you need to clarify what you really want (and "why" is
> generally an essential part of such clarifications, because only then
> can others see what you mean). Why would you want to have a link and not
> have a link? This might not be a CSS issue at all, but there are ways to
> prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less probable
> that users click on them, if that's what you really want.
>


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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Jukka K. Korpela]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> this exists in content
>
> link

That's strange (and _quite_ different from a link with 
href="http://www.somewhere.com";), but anyway,...

> if there any way to make that link non-clickable only with css

No, clickability in the general sense is an inherent property of a link: 
a link points at something in a manner that makes it possible to 
"follow" the link. Take that away, and it's not a link any more. In the 
specific concrete sense (a link can be "followed" by clicking on it), 
it's a browser feature. These things belong to functionality, not 
presentation.

> one solution that I do not want to use is putting an absolutely
> positioned clear image over it.

It does not make the link non-clickable, even though it may make it more 
difficult to click on it.

You can e.g. position a link 99 pixels to the right, and this will 
usually make it so difficult to even notice the existence of the link 
that it probably won't be clicked. But it won't really make it 
non-clickable, partly due to the CSS Caveats (reasons why your CSS might 
not do what you expect, see 
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/css-caveats.html ).

So I think you need to clarify what you really want (and "why" is 
generally an essential part of such clarifications, because only then 
can others see what you mean). Why would you want to have a link and not 
have a link? This might not be a CSS issue at all, but there are ways to 
prevent links from _looking_ like links, thereby making it less probable 
that users click on them, if that's what you really want.

Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ 

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Re: [css-d] make link non-clickable

[Ingo Chao]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> this exists in content
> 
> link
> 
> 
> if there any way to make that link non-clickable only with css

You could replace the entire page by a large PNG.

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[css-d] make link non-clickable

[neal]

this exists in content

link


if there any way to make that link non-clickable only with css

one solution that I do not want to use is putting an absolutely positioned
clear image over it.

thansk

Neal

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Re: [css-d] Help with containers?

[jennifer ham]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello;
>
>  First post here...
>
>  I am having trouble with setting up a container properly...it works
>  for the most part. I need for the background colors contained by it
>  to extend as wide as the browser window is — I know some folks have
>  those nice 30-inchers! — and that seems to be working with the code
>  that I've written, but when you make the browser window very narrow,
>  it "breaks" in that you can scroll the page tot he right and see the
>  background colors end, and it looks sloppy.
>
>  Chances are the average person isn't going to do this, but they MIGHT
>  do it and at any rate I'd like to make the little beasty behave right.
>
>  I've been playing with this:
>
>  #container {
>  height:150px;
>  width:100%;
>  background:rgb(173,173,173);
>  }
>
>  150px is the height of the jpg which is part of the area to be
>  contained (containered?) and I assume 100% means 100% of the browser
>  window, however wide or narrow a person has it on their computer.

A block level element without a width will expand all the way across
the available area all on it's own, without the need to declare a
width of 100%. It's impossible to imagine what the actual problem
might be without looking at your page/code.

j
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Re: [css-d] :: space above image ::

[David Laakso]

Valerie Wininger wrote:
> David,
>
> It's the following:
>
> a {
> margin:0;
> padding:0 0 0 *10px*;
> text-decoration:none;
> }



Thanks, Valerie (and Cynthia, off-list).
Ah, yes... the obvious is sometimes elusive.

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[css-d] Help with containers?

[John]

Hello;

First post here...

I am having trouble with setting up a container properly...it works  
for the most part. I need for the background colors contained by it  
to extend as wide as the browser window is — I know some folks have  
those nice 30-inchers! — and that seems to be working with the code  
that I've written, but when you make the browser window very narrow,  
it "breaks" in that you can scroll the page tot he right and see the  
background colors end, and it looks sloppy.

Chances are the average person isn't going to do this, but they MIGHT  
do it and at any rate I'd like to make the little beasty behave right.

I've been playing with this:

#container {
height:150px;
width:100%;
background:rgb(173,173,173);
}

150px is the height of the jpg which is part of the area to be  
contained (containered?) and I assume 100% means 100% of the browser  
window, however wide or narrow a person has it on their computer.

Another related thing to this, as I'm pretty green at coding, is how  
things affect each other, and I'm just not experienced enough to know  
this. Mainly, I take code from elsewhere which works, and put that  
into my style sheets. Mostly it works. Sometimes, as this instance  
shows, it doesn't.

Thanks for taking a look/helping me out and sharing any advice..

John

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Re: [css-d] :: space above image ::

[Valerie Wininger]

David,

It's the following:

a {
margin:0pt;
padding:0pt 0pt 0pt *10px*;
text-decoration:none;
}

I removed that 10px of padding and it fixed the problem.

Valerie

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> Stuck. The top of the image in the right column should butt the dashed
> page border.
> It does so in  Safari, and win/IE 5.01 through 7.0.
> What is the culprit (s) causing the space above the image in Camino,
> Mac/Opera, and Mac/FF?
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[css-d] :: space above image ::

[David Laakso]

Stuck. The top of the image in the right column should butt the dashed 
page border.
It does so in  Safari, and win/IE 5.01 through 7.0.
What is the culprit (s) causing the space above the image in Camino, 
Mac/Opera, and Mac/FF?


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Re: [css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[Alan Gresley]

Dennis Bixler wrote:

> > Tony Crockford wrote:
> > http://www.hyperhappen.com/
> 
> > is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8
> > release...
> 
> As David said you should wait before correcting what may not be broke
> when the final release of IE8 is out.


Tony gave all browsers ambiguous markup and CSS and that does play a role in 
things. It was a minor stress test on browsers. :-)


> If it truly is buggy in this beta you should first check if it has been
> reported and if not enter a report. The more seemingly insignificant
> bugs that can be squashed before the final release the easier it will be
> to adapt to the new IE.


What I have seen reported concerning layout issues is very little and how can 
Tony report something that he does not understand? I don't even know why 
browsers interpret this test case (has been added to) differently.

http://css-class.com/test/css/floats/float-position-relative.htm


Dennis, if MS is bombarded with such cases as fully coded pages how are they to 
work out what is going wrong? They would have to unpick the code just to find 
the bug (there are several operators present). This would be just like what 
happened with IE7 beta but differently. MS are looking for strong bare test 
cases.

The bugs I see in IE8 are concerning float and stacking, position relative and 
display property bugs. Severe stress testing of IE8 does show many bugs but 
similar bugs are also present in other browsers. It's just that IE8 has the 
lion share. :-)


> I seem to remember the same scrambling-to-fix when IE7 beta was
> released, a lot of which became unnecessary after the release.
> 
> Dennis


Tony paste this into your CSS and see if it helps.


a.comments, a.permalink {
   float: none  !important;
   margin: auto !important; /* play around with vertical margins */
}

and possibly

#box1bot {position:absolute !important;left:0;bottom:0;}

and change the bottom offset (0 ~ -20px) for correct positioning or wait and 
see if a later IE8 beta fixes it.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Jack Timmons wrote:
> Greetings all.
>
> Need a site check:
>
> http://www.myrvspace.com/rv-dealers/rv-dealers.php
>
> Anyway, I'm getting a single complaint about there being some weird line at
> the bottom. Now, I know in Firefox on widescreen monitors (it seems) the
> background somehow stops and shows the color below the image. I think it
> might just be my computer and add-ons.
>
> -Jack Timmons
>
>   



On a MBP @ 1680 below 628px, or so, there is a solid gray like color. An 
"off-the-wall" suggestion:
Try re-setting the body declaration from what you have to:
body{background: #dae2e7 url(http://www.myrvspace.com/images/ms_top.png) 
repeat-x;
Note: different background-color, top.png not bottom.png, and only repeat-x.



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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Valerie Wininger]

It looks right in IE7 and Firefox 2.  In IE6 where the light blue starts to
go back to dk blue there is a distinct line where the darker blue starts.
If that makes sense.  You might check out Browsershots too--
http://browsershots.org/

Valerie

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> Greetings all.
>
> Need a site check:
>
> http://www.myrvspace.com/rv-dealers/rv-dealers.php
>
> Don't mind the CSS or layout. I know it needs a lot of work, and
> unfortunately it will never get done unless we're not given any more
> projects to add onto the site. Frankly, it's been patched together by
> numerous rush jobs.
>
> Anyway, I'm getting a single complaint about there being some weird line
> at
> the bottom. Now, I know in Firefox on widescreen monitors (it seems) the
> background somehow stops and shows the color below the image. I think it
> might just be my computer and add-ons.
>
> What I'm just hoping for is that the background looks like it's fading
> from
> a dark blue to a light blue and back. Thanks for your help.
>
> -Jack Timmons
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Re: [css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[Dennis Bixler]

> Tony Crockford wrote:
> http://www.hyperhappen.com/

> is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8
> release...

As David said you should wait before correcting what may not be broke
when the final release of IE8 is out.

If it truly is buggy in this beta you should first check if it has been
reported and if not enter a report. The more seemingly insignificant
bugs that can be squashed before the final release the easier it will be
to adapt to the new IE.

I seem to remember the same scrambling-to-fix when IE7 beta was
released, a lot of which became unnecessary after the release.

Dennis

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[css-d] Site Check Please

[Jack Timmons]

Greetings all.

Need a site check:

http://www.myrvspace.com/rv-dealers/rv-dealers.php

Don't mind the CSS or layout. I know it needs a lot of work, and
unfortunately it will never get done unless we're not given any more
projects to add onto the site. Frankly, it's been patched together by
numerous rush jobs.

Anyway, I'm getting a single complaint about there being some weird line at
the bottom. Now, I know in Firefox on widescreen monitors (it seems) the
background somehow stops and shows the color below the image. I think it
might just be my computer and add-ons.

What I'm just hoping for is that the background looks like it's fading from
a dark blue to a light blue and back. Thanks for your help.

-Jack Timmons
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Re: [css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[Alan Gresley]

Ingo Chao wrote:

> Tony Crockford wrote:
> > http://www.hyperhappen.com/
> > 
> > is the site, can anyone see what the issue might be?
> > 
> > I wrote the css a long time ago and IE7 was quite happy with it, but
> > IE8 is cutting elements and backgrounds off.  it seems to be not
> > wrapping floated elements properly, but I can't be sure.
> > 
> > is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8 
> > release...
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> 
> No action needed. A clearing br does not clear in IE8. It's already 
> reported, they will have to fix it.
> 
> Ingo
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I didn't notice the clearing br but I do see that the relatively positioned 
div#box1bot is covering the floated links at the bottom of div#containertop. 
Here a test case with divs and no clearing.

http://css-class.com/test/css/floats/float-position-relative.htm

Both IE8 and Safari 3 shows the floated red box covering the r.p. box which is 
later in the source. Safari 3 doesn't show the bug on the page in question. 
This is possibly since Safari is using the clearing br. Tony removing   
from div#box1bot seems to fix it.

Have anyone seen any bugs with relative:position?

Alan


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Re: [css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[Ingo Chao]

Tony Crockford wrote:
> http://www.hyperhappen.com/
> 
> is the site, can anyone see what the issue might be?
> 
> I wrote the css a long time ago and IE7 was quite happy with it, but
> IE8 is cutting elements and backgrounds off.  it seems to be not
> wrapping floated elements properly, but I can't be sure.
> 
> is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8 release...
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> 

No action needed. A clearing br does not clear in IE8. It's already 
reported, they will have to fix it.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[David Laakso]

Tony Crockford wrote:
> http://www.hyperhappen.com/
>
> is the site, can anyone see what the issue might be?
>
> I wrote the css a long time ago and IE7 was quite happy with it, but
> IE8 is cutting elements and backgrounds off.  it seems to be not
> wrapping floated elements properly, but I can't be sure.
>
> is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8 release...
>   




Personal opinion: Wait.

Patience is the companion of wisdom.
-- Saint Augustine (354 AD - 430 AD)

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Re: [css-d] Can't find source of block-level error

[Kim Brooks Wei]

Ah hah. And there it is, pretty as a picture! Thanks, Valerie
Kimi

At 11:28 AM -0400 3/18/08, Valerie Wininger wrote:
>Get rid of the margin-right on the .narrowcolumn and the sidebar div 
>should slide up next to it.

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[css-d] IE8 breaks layout

[Tony Crockford]

http://www.hyperhappen.com/

is the site, can anyone see what the issue might be?

I wrote the css a long time ago and IE7 was quite happy with it, but
IE8 is cutting elements and backgrounds off.  it seems to be not
wrapping floated elements properly, but I can't be sure.

is it worth trying to fix it up?  Or should I wait for a newer IE8 release...

TIA



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Re: [css-d] Can't find source of block-level error

[Valerie Wininger]

Get rid of the margin-right on the .narrowcolumn and the sidebar div should
slide up next to it.

Valerie

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> http://blog.kim.thewei.com/
>
> At 7:49 AM -0500 3/18/08, Peter Hyde-Smith [ed: THANKS PETER!] wrote:
>
> >you will also have to declare an explicit width on
> >the .narrowcolumn
> >
> >You are not validating
>
> I've solved some problems and page now validates, but I still need to
> get the sidebar to the top of the content column.
>
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[css-d] IE8 conditional comment seen by IE multiple versions

[Alan Gresley]

Hi Everyone


If you are allowed IE8 to overwrite IE7 and you have multiple versions of IE 
[1] by Yousif Al Saif on your PC then the conditional comments meant to target 
IE8 are seen. Testing in IE6 and IE5.5 I see this.


[if lt IE 9][if IE 8] [if gt IE 7] [if gte IE 7] [if gt IE 6] [if gte IE 6] [if 
gt IE 5] [if gte IE 5]

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8-cc-seen-by-ie6.htm


Not that it really bothers me personally but for those who have multiple 
versions of IE, allowed IE8 to overwrite IE7 and use conditional comments will 
find they may not work anymore. Can anyone please confirm that IE8 installed of 
a virtual PC doesn't show this in any legacy IE version. I guess there maybe be 
a simple fix, maybe from Yousif's site.

Amazing how the ones for IE7, IE6 and IE5 only are not pickup but if it's 
greater or equal to, they are shown.


[1] 


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Re: [css-d] Can't find source of block-level error

[Kim Brooks Wei]

http://blog.kim.thewei.com/

At 7:49 AM -0500 3/18/08, Peter Hyde-Smith [ed: THANKS PETER!] wrote:

>you will also have to declare an explicit width on
>the .narrowcolumn
>
>You are not validating

I've solved some problems and page now validates, but I still need to 
get the sidebar to the top of the content column.

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Re: [css-d] Image alignment within div

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Pete Harrison wrote:
> The images are within the Branding Div.

As if I didn't know :-)

That has *absolutely nothing* to do with "containment of floats" and
"control of line-up", I'm afraid.

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Re: [css-d] Image alignment within div

[Pete Harrison]

The images are within the Branding Div.

Regards
Pete 

-Original Message-
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 March 2008 13:52
To: Pete Harrison
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Image alignment within div

Pete Harrison wrote:
> 

> I have a div with 3 images all floated left. In FF they show fine, 
> but in IE6 the first image is shifted up for some reason. I cannot 
> see why this is happening so any help would be appreciated.

It happens because those images are not contained in the div, and not
controlled by it. All browsers need containment of floats and more solid
styling for line-up, and IE6 and 7 need 'hasLayout'[1] triggers.

The entire layout has too many weaknesses for in-depth debugging - would
require complete redo from scratch, but here's a copy with the relevant
parts restyled in a way all browsers understand...


...so you at least can study *one way* to make it work.

regards
Georg

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Re: [css-d] Image alignment within div

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Pete Harrison wrote:
> 

> I have a div with 3 images all floated left. In FF they show fine, 
> but in IE6 the first image is shifted up for some reason. I cannot 
> see why this is happening so any help would be appreciated.

It happens because those images are not contained in the div, and not
controlled by it. All browsers need containment of floats and more solid
styling for line-up, and IE6 and 7 need 'hasLayout'[1] triggers.

The entire layout has too many weaknesses for in-depth debugging - would
require complete redo from scratch, but here's a copy with the relevant
parts restyled in a way all browsers understand...


...so you at least can study *one way* to make it work.

regards
Georg

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Re: [css-d] Can't find source of block-level error

[Peter Hyde-Smith]

Subject: [css-d] Can't find source of block-level error


> http://blog.kim.thewei.com/
>
> I could use some help with this. I've managed to totally confuse
> myself. My sidebar won't snap into place to the right of my
> narrowcolumn, and my page won't validate. I can't figure out what's
> going on.
> Thanks  . . .
>  Kimi Wei
>   201.475.1854
>   http://thewei.com

03/18/2008

Kim:

A couple of things. It appears that you have the nav sidebar nested within 
the .narrowcolumn. And you will also have to declare an explicit width on 
the .narrowcolumn, other wise it will expand and fill the entire width of 
#content, and not allow anything to float next to it. It has to be narrower 
than width of #content - .navigation.

You are not validating because you appear to be missing a closing  tag 
(or an extra one!).  Which may also be why the nav and .narrowcontent float 
isn't working!!! Try sticking a  tag either right before  OR one right before the closing  tag. Then 
revalidate. Your page may look wonky but it may get a green light by the 
validator.

IMO, you should add a comment right before the nav div so it is easier to 
find.

Best Regards,

Peter
www.fatpawdesign.com
works in IE8! 

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[css-d] Can't find source of block-level error

[Kim Brooks Wei]

http://blog.kim.thewei.com/

I could use some help with this. I've managed to totally confuse 
myself. My sidebar won't snap into place to the right of my 
narrowcolumn, and my page won't validate. I can't figure out what's 
going on.

Thanks  . . .

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  Kimi Wei
   201.475.1854
   http://thewei.com

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[css-d] Image alignment within div

[Pete Harrison]

I have a div with 3 images all floated left. In FF they show fine, but in
IE6 the first image is shifted up for some reason. I cannot see why this is
happening so any help would be appreciated.
 
The page is at www.biofuels-maritime.com/n-index.asp and the css is at
www.biofueld-maritime.com/bio.css
 
Many thanks
Pete
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