[FairfieldLife] Robot Learning Capabilities

[John]

Interesting development in AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18wSJs6LIc0

Considering the possibilities, these robots could eventually be used to help 
patients, fight wars, and many other activities.

But can they eventually develop their own consciousness similar to humans?

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): Sat Apr 17 00:00:00 2010
> > End Date (UTC): Sat Apr 24 00:00:00 2010
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> > 
> > 50 authfriend 
> 
> I just noticed that a post from before the post script was 
> delayed in email, so I manually ran the post script, and you 
> are, in fact, at 50. 
> 
> For anyone who is just under 50 posts, it's a good idea to 
> not post right before the post count, because if posts are 
> delayed, the post count may not reflect reality.

While this is true, and you are trying to be 
helpful, Alex, I fear that your advice falls
on deaf ears...and compulsive typing fingers.

Rants can't wait.

Especially if they're about someone you hate,
like Obama and those who like him.

[FairfieldLife] Longchen on the Four Methods (Chogzhag-s) of Dzogchen Meditation

[emptybill]

April 30th - May 2nd, 2010  Madison, WI GAINING STABILITY IN DZOGCHEN
MEDITATION
Chapter  Ten of Longchenpa's Choying Dzod /The  Four Chog Zhags.

The four chog zhags  are the four methods taught in the  Dzogchen
tantras to establish stability in  Dzogchen contemplation.  Chapter ten
of the Choying Dzod describes the basic  principle of  gaining stability
Dzogchen meditation. This understanding is then   applied to the four
chogzhags i.e. mountain chogzhag, ocean chogzhag,  rigpa  chogzhag and
the chogzhag of appearances.

Location:

The Quarry Arts Building
715 Hill St ( Across the side  street from Whole Foods) Room  150,
Madison, WI

Times:

Friday 5-8pm
Saturday through Sunday 10am-5pm

Cost:

$125 for pre-registration for all sessions, online registration will  be
available. $150 at the door.
No one turned away for inability to pay. Work-study/paypment plans 
available.
Please make arrangements in advance. Please make checks payable to RSL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi

[Buck]

Was another large meeting with Mr. Trivedi tonite(Weds).
Spoke about culture, spiritual phenomena, discernment and science.
Q & A.
Gave a blessing too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[curtisdeltablues]

Your careful attention to detail make this a better online community.  Thanks 
Alex.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[ditzyklanmail]

This topic of loyalty, oh triumphant deserves a commercial break. : )

Ode to Vogon Poetry:
Twenty somethings  in line to help finish the wars that were started
 and 
I guess must continue because one can only solve a war by continuing war.
 I am sure the new health plan will be stabilized
with 
terminally ill people and whatever property or bank accounts can be harvested 
as they die or before they die,
 maybe a strong push with the cheap poppies from Afghanistan. 
The genetically modified foods must have good sources of nutrition.  
  The economy is growing strong as I see people bundling up in homes,
 more 
than one family or isolated children from the generation teaching their grown 
kids to stand on their own two feet as they are taken in by more caring 
families, parents turning their back to continue the
 lifestyle
 they are used to living, because they deserve it and worked hard to get it.  
Anti-depressants
 prescribed
 to help the kids adjust...oh heck, mommies and daddies too. Don't try to stop 
taking those pills
 cold
 turkey or you will be jerking more than on a flying block.
Breathe
on Earth day,
enjoy your freedom, love and peace, America.
Teleprompter intuitive
It is someones fault, so we must continue their legacy!







From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 April, 2010 7:06:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America

  
If the hysterical tone and wild hyperbole don't immediately
tell you this is a piece of the most banal hackwork, the
fact that it fails utterly to acknowledge that there could
be any legitimate criticism of Obama should clue you in.

How many of you praising the essay noticed, I wonder?

Obama is All Good, and his critics are All Bad. Very much
like the more virulent TM critics here, the writer has
switched allegiances but not the No Shades of Gray Ever
style of thinking he learned when he was in thrall to the
Other Side.

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America
> By  Frank Schaeffer


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
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> Fairfield Life Post Counter
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> 50 authfriend 

I just noticed that a post from before the post script was delayed in email, so 
I manually ran the post script, and you are, in fact, at 50. 

For anyone who is just under 50 posts, it's a good idea to not post right 
before the post count, because if posts are delayed, the post count may not 
reflect reality. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[authfriend]

If the hysterical tone and wild hyperbole don't immediately
tell you this is a piece of the most banal hackwork, the
fact that it fails utterly to acknowledge that there could
be any legitimate criticism of Obama should clue you in.

How many of you praising the essay noticed, I wonder?

Obama is All Good, and his critics are All Bad. Very much
like the more virulent TM critics here, the writer has
switched allegiances but not the No Shades of Gray Ever
style of thinking he learned when he was in thrall to the
Other Side.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America
> By  Frank Schaeffer

[FairfieldLife] students at the Oman mathematics Olympiad

[Yifu Xero]

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Subject: students at the Oman mathematics Olympiad


http://www.flickr.com/photos/rohelakhan/2343178695/



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
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> Fairfield Life Post Counter
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> 49 authfriend 

I checked the log, and this post count does include the post you made three 
minutes before the post count script ran. So, you have one more post for the 
week.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hitler reacts to Hitler parodies being removed from YouTube

[tartbrain]

Some one should do one on one of the following

1) Jerry coming back

2) Judith's book coming out

3) King tony's marriage and kids

4) TMO in trouble


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBO5dh9qrIQ
>



Also, its clearly the Age of Enlightenment, Heaven on Earth

The lion lies down with the lamb, sort of


Trying to Save Wild Tigers by Rehabilitating Them
By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: April 21, 2010
 
BALIMBING, Indonesia — The two wild Sumatran tigers, held in large, adjoining 
cages here, had killed at least eight people between them.
Enlarge This Image

They growled ferociously, lunged at a man outside, ran in circles inside the 
cages and slammed against the walls, their eyes radiating a fierceness absent 
in zoo tigers. But if all goes well, one of them eventually will be 
reintroduced into the wild.

In the only one of two such experiments in the world, tiger experts here have 
begun rehabilitating and releasing tigers that have attacked humans and 
livestock elsewhere on Indonesia's island of Sumatra. As a growing human 
population and economic development keep squeezing tigers out of their 
remaining habitats, clashes are increasing with deadly frequency. Last year, 
tigers killed at least nine people in Sumatra, mostly illegal loggers pushing 
ever deeper into previously untouched forest.

In the past 20 months, conservationists have successfully returned four 
Sumatran tigers to the wild here, in what some experts describe as a promising 
strategy to help save the world's population of wild tigers — now below 3,000, 
or less than 3 percent of their numbers a century ago. The Sumatran tiger, with 
fewer than 400 left, is considered one of the most critically endangered of the 
world's six surviving tiger subspecies.

The tigers' release has drawn criticism, not least from local villagers who 
complain that they have lost goats and chickens to the predators, and now fear 
venturing outside at night. Some conservation groups, including the World 
Wildlife Fund, have hesitated to get involved with the program, which is 
financed by Tomy Winata, an Indonesian tycoon who parlayed close ties to the 
military into building an empire in real estate, banking, mining and other 
industries.

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[FairfieldLife] Hitler reacts to Hitler parodies being removed from YouTube

[authfriend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBO5dh9qrIQ

[FairfieldLife] Tulku Thondup

[Yifu Xero]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[anatol_zinc]

excellent ! thanks rick !

i sent it to everyone on my list changing the subject to:

"America Will Triumph"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America
> By  Frank Schaeffer
> .
> But here's the good news: President Obama is succeeding without the
help of his "supporters" on the left and despite his  hate-filled
Republican  detractors on the right!
>
> The  Future Looks  Good
>
> After Obama has served two full  terms (and he will),  after his 
wisdom in moving  deliberately and cautiously with great subtlety on all
fronts -- with a uncanny and calculating eye to achieving success (and
he will), after the economy is booming and new  industries  are
burgeoning (and they will), after the  naysayers are proved  wrong: let
the record show that not  all Americans panicked and jumped ship at  the
first sign of a storm.
>
> Just because we didn't  get everything we wanted in the health care
bill,  and his first year in office...not all of us are giving up! Some
of us are staying the course. And we will be proved right.
>
> PS. if you agree that Obama is shaping up to be a  great president, 
please pass this on and hang in there!
> Pass it on anyway to ensure  that his "report card"  gets the
attention it  deserves.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Yeah, he seems to have accepted this information peacefully enough.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:25 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!
>  
> He was not what most of us thought he was - a celibate monk. He said he was
> a monk and we all assumed celibate went with that. 
> 
> Good old projection. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the time. 
>  
> Interesting admission by Nabby. Aren't monks celibate by definition?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America
> By  Frank Schaeffer
> 
> Before he'd been in office one year President  Obama lost the support of the 
> easily distracted left and  engendered the white hot rage of the hate-filled 
> right.  But some of us, from all walks of  life and  ideological backgrounds 
> -- including this white, straight,  57-year-old, former religious right wing 
> agitator,  now progressive writer and (given my background as  the son of a 
> famous evangelical leader) this unlikely  Obama supporter -- are sticking 
> with our President.  
> Why?  Because he's shown he will succeed by slow, calm and  steady...staying 
> the course.
> 
> We faithful Obama supporters  still trust our initial impression of  him as a 
> great, good  and uniquely qualified leader.
> 
> Obama's loyal supporters will  be proven right.  Obama's critics will be 
> remembered  as easily panicked and prematurely discouraged at best and  
> shriveled hate mongers at worst.
> 
> The Context of the Obama  Presidency:
> 
> Not since the rise of fascism in Europe , the  Second  
> World War and the Depression has any president  faced more  
> adversity. Not since the Civil War has any  president led a more bitterly 
> divided country. Not  since the introduction of racial integration has any  
> president faced a more consistently short-sighted and  willfully ignorant 
> opposition -- from both the right  and  left.
> 
> As the President's poll numbers have fallen so has his  support from some on 
> the left who hailed him as a Messiah  not long ago;  those lefty web sites 
> and commentators that  were falling over themselves on behalf of our first 
> black president during the 2008 election.
> 
> The left's lack of faith has become a  self-fulfilling "prophecy"-- snipe at 
> the President  and then watch the poll numbers fall and then pretend you  
> didn't have anything to do with it!
> 
> Here is what Obama faced  when he took office-- none of which was his  fault:
> 
> # An ideologically divided country, to the point  America is really two 
> countries
> 
> # Two wars; one mishandled  from the start, the other unnecessary and  immoral
> 
> # The  worst economic crisis since the depression
> 
> #   America  's standing in the world at its lowest point in history
> 
> # A  country misled into accepting the use of torture on prisoners of  war
> 
> # A health care system in free fall
> 
> # An  educational system in free fall
> 
> # A global environmental  crisis of history-altering proportions  (about 
> which the  Bush/Cheney administration and Republicans had done nothing)
> 
> # An impasse between culture warriors from  the right and left
> 
> # A huge financial deficit inherited from  the terminally  
> irresponsible Bush  administration.
> 
> And these were just some of the problems left  for Obama to deal with when he 
>  came into office! 
> 
> "Help"  from the  Right?
> 
> What did Republicans and the religious right,  libertarians and  half-baked 
> conspiracy theorists (what  Republicans  
> were reduced to by the time Obama took office)  do to "help" our  new 
> president (and our country) succeed?  They claimed he wasn't a real American, 
> didn't have  an American birth certificate,  wasn't born here, was  secretly 
> a Muslim, was white-hating "racist",  was a secret  communist, was the 
> Anti-Christ, was the reincarnation of  Hitler and wanted "death panels" to 
> kill the elderly!
> 
> They  called for his assassination through the not-so- 
> subtle use  of signs held up at rallies and even a bumper  
> sticker  quoting Psalm 109:8. They organized "tea parties" to sound off 
> against imagined insults and government in general. They gathered to howl at 
> the moon.  They were led by  insurance industry lobbyists and deranged (but  
> well-financed) "commentators" from Glenn Beck to Rush  Limbaugh.
> 
> Utterly discredited Roman Catholic bishops teamed  up with  
> utterly discredited evangelical leaders to  denounce a president who was 
> trying to improve conditions  for the poor, the environment, to diminish  the 
> number of abortions through compassionate programs to help women and to care 
> for the sick! But in Congress the Republican  leadership knew only one word: 
> "No!"
> 
> In other words the  reactionary white, uneducated, crazy  far 
> right,  combined with educated neoconservative war mongers, religious right  
> big business shills, libertarian Fed Reserve-hating gold  bugs, gun-toting  
> crazies, child-molesting acquiescent "bishops", frontier loons and  
> evangelical  gay-hating flakes...they all found one thing to agree on and  
> rally around: their desire to stop a Black man from succeeding at all  costs!
> 
> "Help" from the Left?
> 
> What did the left  do to help their newly elected president? Some of them  
> blasted the President because they disagreed with the bad choices he was 
> being forced to make regard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > >
> > > > What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas 
> > > > meditating!
> > 
> > > Feel free to swear properly Mike, we're all men of the world 
> > > around here.
> > 
> > 
> > Apparently not. Some appear to see virgins on pedastals, wailing damsels in 
> > distress, dark sinister villians (probably with those long, waxed 
> > mustaches) and perhaps projections of themselves as white knights - or 
> > white hatted cowboys -- riding to the rescue. Sounds like boys walking out 
> > of the picture show in 1915 after seeing the latest dime-store western -- 
> > not men of the world. 
> 
> In that case I stand corrected and commend you for your
> sensitivity. I just thought if hanging around here doesn't
> toughen you up a bit..
> 
> > However, for my clear sin of stupidity in seeing it this way, I fear Tom 
> > Mix may come gunnin' for me "This wide open country ain't big enough for 
> > contrary views, Black Bart. You best be git before you rile up the citizens 
> > here and we come to lynch ya.". 
> 
> Hmmm, maybe your way is best.
> 

I think we both enjoying mirthing it up a bit, seeing the fun in things. So 
perhaps no way is the best way -- or perhaps the ways of mirth are all the same 
in the Enchanted Forest of life. 

Though sometimes my humor can come across as serious I suppose -- perhaps "had 
to be there" sort of thing. Only its hard jamming people into my head. (But if 
you are a rugby fan -- perhaps you know some tricks)

Btw I enjoy your sense of humor, and your science inserts and knowledge. 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> The President's critics, left and  right, had one thing in common:  
> impatience laced with no  sense of history (let alone reality). 
> Then of  course there were the snide, white, know-it-all commentators and  
> talking heads who just can't imagine that maybe, just maybe  they aren't  as 
> smart as they thought they were and certainly not as smart as a  Black 
> President. He hadn't consulted them so he must be wrong!
> 
> The ideological ideas of Obama critics' defined their  idea of reality rather 
> than reality defining their ideas.  Meanwhile back in the reality-based  
> community -  in just 12 short months -- President Obama  scored victories 
> that went unreported on the evening news:

Excellent article, Rick--and very accurately sums up above
most of the inane criticism of Obama we've heard right here.
This guy gets a big thumbs-up from me because of where
he came from from and how far in the other direction he's
gone.  I tried the first part of his book but it couldn't hold
my attention, he seems to be better in small bites (IMO).
Then again, maybe I'll have to give it another try.  He sure
does bring a unique perspective to the table.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:25 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!
>  
> He was not what most of us thought he was - a celibate monk. He said he was
> a monk and we all assumed celibate went with that. 
> 
> Good old projection on your side. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the 
> time. 
>  
> Interesting admission by Nabby. Aren't monks celibate by definition?

We are free to create any definition we like. 
A monk will perhaps not desire sex beacuse he has more serious spiritual 
matters to attend, but if it comes along and is positive, why not ? On Purusha 
there where no written rules in this regard.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:53 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:

The main thing is that you are capturing these moments on tape now. That is
the most important thing. I would like to see some yoga oriented sponsors
for your site sometime. That might free up some time for this project.
Good idea, once I build up enough traffic.

Igal rings a bell. I may remember him when I see the picture. Have fun
pinning down the infinite!
Thanks!
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[WillyTex]

> > I certainly find it hard to believe you exist.
> >
Tom:
> I dated a girl years ago who was an honors philosophy 
> graduate from Vassar. Whenever we got into a tiff she 
> used to prove that I didn't exist.
> 
So, what does it mean to 'not exist'? Why wouldn't we 
exist in the future, if we existed in the past? If you
existed in the past, why wouldn't you exist in the 
future? And, if you don't exist now, then who is it that 
is writing these words? 

And how would anyone 'prove' that they don't exist?

So many questions, Tom - so few answers.

"Metaphysics is concerned with explaining the fundamental 
nature of being and the world..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:

The main thing is that you are capturing these moments on tape now.  That is 
the most important thing.  I would like to see some yoga oriented sponsors for 
your site sometime.  That might free up some time for this project.

Igal rings a bell.  I may remember him when I see the picture.  Have fun 
pinning down the infinite!



>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
>  
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking forward to more of the videos. I think the nonverbal information
> offered at least equals the verbal.
> 
> It may take a round of editing these down to make this more accessible.
> Almost no good writing takes place without an edit and certainly loose
> conversations like these could be tightened up.
> 
> Of course the edit is another take, a decision about how the thing is
> presented and that may go against the grain of what you are trying to do.
> But it would be nice to have a 5-10 minute intro with some of their
> important points to see if it is worth the wait.
> 
> The concept is so compelling I think it is now down to packaging and letting
> a person make informed decisions about time commitments. Eventually a
> transcript will be nice so you can buzz through the content. Sometime I
> would like to map out the structure of each person's belief structure. 
> 
> I spent a bit of time checking out the yahoo group answering the question
> "what do awakened people like to talk about?" I need to read more to have a
> more informed opinion. It is all very self-conscious at this point so
> perhaps they need a bit of a trigger to get them going on something
> interesting. It needs to come from someone with less of the "fart in church"
> baggage of this writer!
> 
> I think this project has potential for wider interest if packaged in a way
> that doesn't take a big upfront time buy-in.
> 
> High five for growing this idea Rick! There is a genius in the directness of
> your premise: there are people in Fairfield who identify themselves as
> "awakened." Let's interview them and see what they have to say. Brilliant!
> Thanks Curtis. All good suggestions, but all time-consuming. Doing as much
> as I can with very limited time. Tonight I'm interviewing Igal Moria (used
> to be Igal Harmelin), in case you remember him.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
>  
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking forward to more of the videos. I think the nonverbal information
> offered at least equals the verbal.
> 
> It may take a round of editing these down to make this more accessible.
> Almost no good writing takes place without an edit and certainly loose
> conversations like these could be tightened up.
> 
> Of course the edit is another take, a decision about how the thing is
> presented and that may go against the grain of what you are trying to do.
> But it would be nice to have a 5-10 minute intro with some of their
> important points to see if it is worth the wait.
> 
> The concept is so compelling I think it is now down to packaging and letting
> a person make informed decisions about time commitments. Eventually a
> transcript will be nice so you can buzz through the content. Sometime I
> would like to map out the structure of each person's belief structure. 
> 
> I spent a bit of time checking out the yahoo group answering the question
> "what do awakened people like to talk about?" I need to read more to have a
> more informed opinion. It is all very self-conscious at this point so
> perhaps they need a bit of a trigger to get them going on something
> interesting. It needs to come from someone with less of the "fart in church"
> baggage of this writer!
> 
> I think this project has potential for wider interest if packaged in a way
> that doesn't take a big upfront time buy-in.
> 
> High five for growing this idea Rick! There is a genius in the directness of
> your premise: there are people in Fairfield who identify themselves as
> "awakened." Let's interview them and see what they have to say. Brilliant!
> Thanks Curtis. All good suggestions, but all time-consuming. Doing as much
> as I can with very limited time. Tonight I'm interviewing Igal Moria (used
> to be Igal Harmelin), in case you remember him.

Please give him my greetings; he was the greatest of all the moodmakers to ever 
grace Purusha :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[WillyTex]

> > I dated a girl years ago who was an honors philosophy 
> > graduate from Vassar. Whenever we got into a tiff she 
> > used to prove that I didn't exist.
> >
Hugo:
> That must have worn down the ol' ego.
>
So you've read Freud.
 
But, do we really have an 'ego'? What about the 'super-ego'?

If we have an ego, where is it? Is the term 'ego' a scientific 
term, or a metaphysical term, Hugo? Sounds to me like you're
mixing up physics with theoretical metaphysical constructs.

You're not making any sense.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:

I'm looking forward to more of the videos. I think the nonverbal information
offered at least equals the verbal.

It may take a round of editing these down to make this more accessible.
Almost no good writing takes place without an edit and certainly loose
conversations like these could be tightened up.

Of course the edit is another take, a decision about how the thing is
presented and that may go against the grain of what you are trying to do.
But it would be nice to have a 5-10 minute intro with some of their
important points to see if it is worth the wait.

The concept is so compelling I think it is now down to packaging and letting
a person make informed decisions about time commitments. Eventually a
transcript will be nice so you can buzz through the content. Sometime I
would like to map out the structure of each person's belief structure. 

I spent a bit of time checking out the yahoo group answering the question
"what do awakened people like to talk about?" I need to read more to have a
more informed opinion. It is all very self-conscious at this point so
perhaps they need a bit of a trigger to get them going on something
interesting. It needs to come from someone with less of the "fart in church"
baggage of this writer!

I think this project has potential for wider interest if packaged in a way
that doesn't take a big upfront time buy-in.

High five for growing this idea Rick! There is a genius in the directness of
your premise: there are people in Fairfield who identify themselves as
"awakened." Let's interview them and see what they have to say. Brilliant!
Thanks Curtis. All good suggestions, but all time-consuming. Doing as much
as I can with very limited time. Tonight I'm interviewing Igal Moria (used
to be Igal Harmelin), in case you remember him.

[FairfieldLife] climate change - release of methane stores

[wayback71]

A few weeks ago there was a discussion here about methane hydrate being 
released into the atmosphere and spseeding up global warming.  Here is more 
information that someone sent to me:

http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/04/science-nsf-tundra-permafrost-methane-east-siberian-arctic-shelf-venting/

and 

http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/20/a-methane-feedback-from-the-past-strikes-again/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[WillyTex]

> > You are using metaphysical terms, so to follow this thread, 
> > you'd have to assume that we 'exist' in the first place, in 
> > order to postulate that we will one day be 'non-existent'. 
> >
Hugo:
> I certainly find it hard to believe you exist.
> 
Circular logic, Hugo. You failed to define 'exist'.
 
> > So, really you have said nothing, except to postulate a 
> > metaphysical nihilism. In which case, you have said nothing, 
> > since you have not proved that we exist. 
> > 
> > It's a case of circular logic, if not a logical fallacy.
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:

I'm looking forward to more of the videos. I think the nonverbal information 
offered at least equals the verbal.

It may take a round of editing these down to make this more accessible.  Almost 
no good writing takes place without an edit and certainly loose conversations 
like these could be tightened up.

Of course the edit is another take, a decision about how the thing is presented 
and that may go against the grain of what you are trying to do.  But it would 
be nice to have a 5-10 minute intro with some of their important points to see 
if it is worth the wait.

The concept is so compelling I think it is now down to packaging and letting a 
person make informed decisions about time commitments.  Eventually a transcript 
will be nice so you can buzz through the content.  Sometime I would like to map 
out the structure of each person's belief structure.  

I spent a bit of time checking out the yahoo group answering the question "what 
do awakened people like to talk about?" I need to read more to have a more 
informed opinion.  It is all very self-conscious at this point so perhaps they 
need a bit of a trigger to get them going on something interesting.  It needs 
to come from someone with less of the "fart in church" baggage of this writer!

I think this project has potential for wider interest if packaged in a way that 
doesn't take a big upfront time buy-in.

High five for growing this idea Rick!  There is a genius in the directness of 
your premise: there are people in Fairfield who identify themselves as 
"awakened."  Let's interview them and see what they have to say.  Brilliant!





>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios
> on the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all
> nice people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I
> listened. Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I
> passed over. But I got bored with most. 
> I wouldn't be able to just sit and listen to most of them either, because
> I'm too busy and too restless. But I listen to at least an hour a day of
> stuff on my iPod. If you have one, go to
> http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id359034195 and
> subscribe.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:25 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!
 
He was not what most of us thought he was - a celibate monk. He said he was
a monk and we all assumed celibate went with that. 

Good old projection. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the time. 
 
Interesting admission by Nabby. Aren't monks celibate by definition?

[FairfieldLife] climate change, again

[wayback71]

You wrote :  "He believes that the release of ocean sediment
methane hydrate is the big marker, or tipping point, of disaster."

Well it seems the tipping point is here.Please pass these on to FFL if you 
feel inclined :


Science stunner: Vast East Siberian Arctic Shelf methane stores destabilizing 
and venting

http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/04/science-nsf-tundra-permafrost-methane-east-siberian-arctic-shelf-venting/


..found Arctic temperatures almost beyond imagination–above 
74°F–temperatures more than 18°F warmer than current climate models had 
predicted when applied to this period. The three dozen authors conclude that 
existing climate models are missing crucial feedbacks that can significantly 
amplify polar warming.

http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/20/a-methane-feedback-from-the-past-strikes-again/

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "yifuxero" 
wrote:  [heavily snipped]
>  Currently I'm attempting to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of
a real Death Ray at a distance.  . . . I'm mainly into the "Black Magic"
- . . . there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a year or
less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden.

> Any other candidates?

How'z'bout: The TMO's leaders present and past.

But, gads, how can anyone take you seriously if you're espousing being a
psychic hit man?

Cast a curse on your own dark needs that you're denying by pretending to
be creation's White Knight.  When we have a perfect God who can do
anything anytime who are you to pose as "better at aiming weaponry than
God?"  Hubris is your kool-ade.

Edg

> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Yifu Xero yifuxero@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Yifu Xero yifuxero@
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] anger caused by enemies
> > To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:52 PM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding anger precipitated by psychic (or any type) of attacks by
enemies, I have found the best way to deal with it is to pray to the
Santeria Orishas to repel the attack and strike them.  By "strike" I
mean by psychic energy, not a physical attack or emotional outburst.
> > In other words, to place a  type of Voodoo hex on my
enemies.  The system works but it takes a lot of chanting mantras to
the Santeria Orishas.  No animal sacrifices.
> > Once, I commissioned a famous Santeria Sorcerer (passing through
Tijuana - he was from Cuba; his name was "El Negro"), to put  a hex
on MMY.
> > Then soon later I had a discussion with Charlie Lutes in which he
divulged to me that MMY said he was being psychically attacked and he
wanted his followers to stay close around him.
> > ...
> > http://i.ytimg. com/vi/2HLTzp3um lg/0.jpg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America

[Rick Archer]

Obama  Will Triumph -- So Will America
By  Frank Schaeffer

Before he'd been in office one year President  Obama lost the support of the 
easily distracted left and  engendered the white hot rage of the hate-filled 
right.  But some of us, from all walks of  life and  ideological backgrounds -- 
including this white, straight,  57-year-old, former religious right wing 
agitator,  now progressive writer and (given my background as  the son of a 
famous evangelical leader) this unlikely  Obama supporter -- are sticking with 
our President.  
Why?  Because he's shown he will succeed by slow, calm and  steady...staying 
the course.

We faithful Obama supporters  still trust our initial impression of  him as a 
great, good  and uniquely qualified leader.

Obama's loyal supporters will  be proven right.  Obama's critics will be 
remembered  as easily panicked and prematurely discouraged at best and  
shriveled hate mongers at worst.

The Context of the Obama  Presidency:

Not since the rise of fascism in Europe , the  Second  
World War and the Depression has any president  faced more  
adversity. Not since the Civil War has any  president led a more bitterly 
divided country. Not  since the introduction of racial integration has any  
president faced a more consistently short-sighted and  willfully ignorant 
opposition -- from both the right  and  left.

As the President's poll numbers have fallen so has his  support from some on 
the left who hailed him as a Messiah  not long ago;  those lefty web sites and 
commentators that  were falling over themselves on behalf of our first black 
president during the 2008 election.

The left's lack of faith has become a  self-fulfilling "prophecy"-- snipe at 
the President  and then watch the poll numbers fall and then pretend you  
didn't have anything to do with it!

Here is what Obama faced  when he took office-- none of which was his  fault:

# An ideologically divided country, to the point  America is really two 
countries

# Two wars; one mishandled  from the start, the other unnecessary and  immoral

# The  worst economic crisis since the depression

#   America  's standing in the world at its lowest point in history

# A  country misled into accepting the use of torture on prisoners of  war

# A health care system in free fall

# An  educational system in free fall

# A global environmental  crisis of history-altering proportions  (about which 
the  Bush/Cheney administration and Republicans had done nothing)

# An impasse between culture warriors from  the right and left

# A huge financial deficit inherited from  the terminally  
irresponsible Bush  administration.

And these were just some of the problems left  for Obama to deal with when he  
came into office! 

"Help"  from the  Right?

What did Republicans and the religious right,  libertarians and  half-baked 
conspiracy theorists (what  Republicans  
were reduced to by the time Obama took office)  do to "help" our  new president 
(and our country) succeed?  They claimed he wasn't a real American, didn't have 
 an American birth certificate,  wasn't born here, was  secretly a Muslim, was 
white-hating "racist",  was a secret  communist, was the Anti-Christ, was the 
reincarnation of  Hitler and wanted "death panels" to kill the elderly!

They  called for his assassination through the not-so- 
subtle use  of signs held up at rallies and even a bumper  
sticker  quoting Psalm 109:8. They organized "tea parties" to sound off against 
imagined insults and government in general. They gathered to howl at the moon.  
They were led by  insurance industry lobbyists and deranged (but  
well-financed) "commentators" from Glenn Beck to Rush  Limbaugh.

Utterly discredited Roman Catholic bishops teamed  up with  
utterly discredited evangelical leaders to  denounce a president who was trying 
to improve conditions  for the poor, the environment, to diminish  the number 
of abortions through compassionate programs to help women and to care for the 
sick! But in Congress the Republican  leadership knew only one word: "No!"

In other words the  reactionary white, uneducated, crazy  far 
right,  combined with educated neoconservative war mongers, religious right  
big business shills, libertarian Fed Reserve-hating gold  bugs, gun-toting  
crazies, child-molesting acquiescent "bishops", frontier loons and  evangelical 
 gay-hating flakes...they all found one thing to agree on and  rally around: 
their desire to stop a Black man from succeeding at all  costs!

"Help" from the Left?

What did the left  do to help their newly elected president? Some of them  
blasted the President because they disagreed with the bad choices he was being 
forced to make regarding a war in Afghanistan.  Choices he'd inherited from the 
worst  president in U.S. history!

Others stood up to proclaim the  President's economic policies 
"failed"  before the President even instituted them! Others said since  not all 
gay rights battles had not been 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[Duveyoung]

In my conversation at BATGP, I found very clearly that what mattered was how I 
was listening -- I am the definer of my experiences, and lo and behold, I moved 
towards less defining -- mostly because I see now that it takes a deep intent 
and a ton of creativity to grasp another's POV without judgmentalism's 
projective veneering masking the real deal. Gotta sort out so much on the fly 
and then, what?, be responsible for one's subsequent projections?  It's 
Sisyphussy!

And I've never met a concept that wasn't a hypnotist bully.

They arrive in my mind like cowboys entering a saloon -- ready to frame the 
scenario to their own needs and holding a gun to my head demanding 
identification.

It's like even a passing notion is a diva demanding "think of me, think of me, 
think of me."  

Can't just have an ALL THIS experience, gotta parse and parse and parseand 
I'm so tired of the intellect's addiction to a relentless handcuffing of me 
into having a "take" about anything, all things, nothings.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios
> on the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all
> nice people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I
> listened. Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I
> passed over. But I got bored with most. 
> I wouldn't be able to just sit and listen to most of them either, because
> I'm too busy and too restless. But I listen to at least an hour a day of
> stuff on my iPod. If you have one, go to
> http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id359034195 and
> subscribe.
>

[FairfieldLife] Vajra Seven-Line Guru Rinpoche Prayer

[Yifu Xero]

-Subject: Vajra Seven-Line Guru Rinpoche Prayer


http://www.quietmountain.org/links/teachings/7_Line_Prayer_To_Guru_Rinpoche/7lnpryr.htm



  

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[Rick Archer]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios
on the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all
nice people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I
listened. Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I
passed over. But I got bored with most. 
I wouldn't be able to just sit and listen to most of them either, because
I'm too busy and too restless. But I listen to at least an hour a day of
stuff on my iPod. If you have one, go to
http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id359034195 and
subscribe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 .......

[brian64705]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100412/NEWS03/4120315/Hansen-Official-9-11-story-is-hooey-critic-maintains

Hansen: Official 9/11 story is hooey, critic maintains 
BY MARC HANSEN • mahan...@dmreg.com • APRIL 12, 2010
 
David Ray Griffin comes to Drake University on April 23 to tell us why the 
official explanation for the 9/11 attack on the United States doesn't hold 
water.

A theologian, philosopher of religion and professor emeritus at California's 
Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, Griffin has 
been at it for about seven years now and says he won't stop until the 
government conducts a new, impartial, independent investigation. 
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, Rick Archer  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Rick Archer 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] 911 ...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 4:11 PM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://bluesplayer. co.uk/youtube_ animation/ video/daNr_ TrBw6E/General- 
> of-all-American- Intelligence- 911-was-a- fraud.html
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Thanks Hugo, but I try to keep it toned down... a bit. I figure 
> *Effing* could stand for a number of exclamations. You're free 
> to choose one. Something tells me though that Judy and Raunchy 
> would prefer *not* to be referred to as*men of the world* :)

Something tells me you haven't been paying attention.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Civic Center: The Crucial May 4 Vote

[Dick Mays]

Forwarded from a friend:

Dear Friends,

Did you know that there is a referendum vote on May 4 for 
all Fairfield city residents? Its purpose is to allow the City 
of Fairfield to use 12.5% of the existing Local Option Sales Tax to 
purchase the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center for $650,000.


If this vote doesn't pass, it's almost certain that the Civic Center 
will go dark for at least 6 months and for as long as 2 years. For 
everything that the Center now adds to our quality of life and 
Fairfield's economy, I'm voting "Yes" and also doing everything I can 
to help get out the "Yes" vote on May 4th.


I'm appealing to you to vote "Yes" on the referendum. And, since 
absentee ballots are available now, you can vote at the courthouse 
through April 30th.


If you want additional information to make a fully informed decision, 
I got the facts from 
www.FairfieldCenterInfo.com.


If you'd like to help to get out the vote, please let me know or 
contact FACC board member, Tom Makeig at 
tmakei...@lisco.com.


Thanks for your help!

Marsha

ps Did you know that absentee ballots are already available for the 
May 4 referendum for the City of Fairfield to purchase 
the Civic Center? They are available at 
the Jefferson County courthouse through April 30th.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[Mike Dixon]

Thanks Hugo, but I try to keep it toned down... a bit. I figure *Effing* could 
stand for a number of exclamations. You're free to choose one. Something tells 
me though that Judy and Raunchy would prefer *not* to be referred to as*men of 
the world* :)
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Hugo  wrote:


From: Hugo 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:57 PM


  





--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas meditating!

Feel free to swear properly Mike, we're all men of the world 
around here.

> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, gullible fool  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: gullible fool 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:00 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for 
> earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says. 
>   
> Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, said 
> women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
>  
> "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread 
> adultery in society which increases earthquakes, " he explained. 
>  
> Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last decade. 
>  
> Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University campus 
> mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by Iranians when he 
> warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy". 
>  
> "What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other 
> solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's 
> moral codes," he said. 
>  
> 'Disappoint God'
>  
> Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of how 
> they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing tight-fitting 
> clothes. 
>  
> Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed 
> presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people to 
> hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake". 
>  
> "Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront 
> such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint 
> God." 
>  
> More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient city 
> of Bam in 2003. 
>  
> Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a large 
> number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating earthquake 
> soon. 
>  
> President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million 
> inhabitants should relocate. 
>  
> There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom. 
> 
> http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/8631775. stm
>  
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma 
>









  

[FairfieldLife] Judith Bourke's comment on pricing

[Rick Archer]

Since I have been getting a lot of emails
I visited the Fairfield chat to see what's there.
I had received
criticism for my pricesthis person could at least
be accurate.  The 500 he is referring to is 500 Swedish
crowns, which is now less than one hundred dollars.
I would never charge 500$ for a private session.
 
I charge about $100 for an hour and a half session.
 
Namaste,
Judith
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 .......

[Mike Dixon]

Yo Rick, are you a *truther*?

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Rick Archer  wrote:


From: Rick Archer 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 911 ...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 4:11 PM


  





http://bluesplayer. co.uk/youtube_ animation/ video/daNr_ TrBw6E/General- 
of-all-American- Intelligence- 911-was-a- fraud.html
 







  

[FairfieldLife] Xocolatl

[yifuxero]

Chocolate (Xocolatl) - food of the Gods
http://ki-xocolatl.com/eng/

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 .......

[curtisdeltablues]

Excellent find Rick.  Now I find it easy to believe that this guy walks into 
walls so often that when he gets to a doorway he considers it a sidhi when he 
makes it through!






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> http://bluesplayer.co.uk/youtube_animation/video/daNr_TrBw6E/General-of-all-
> American-Intelligence-911-was-a-fraud.html
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .....

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>   
>> Bert Stubbleine sounds completely bonkers to me! You can believe
>> you can walk through walls as much as you want, maybe project
>> Stargate (were they expecting to be taken seriously?) could have
>> filmed him doing this then we wouldn't need to believe it was 
>> possible either.
>> 
>
> My father was a career US Air Force officer. I grew up
> having the head honchos who ran the bases he worked on
> sitting around in our living room talking, and listen-
> ing to them talk. This guy may be bonkers, but he sounds
> pretty normal to me. He would not "stand out" in the
> military crowd.
>
> I remember clearly seeing "Dr. Strangelove" when it was
> first released in theaters, and having the realization
> that these (General 'Buck' Turgidson, Brigadier General 
> Jack D. Ripper, Colonel 'Bat' Guano, Major 'King' Kong,
> and Lieutenant Lothar Zogg) were the first military 
> officers I had ever seen portrayed onscreen who struck 
> me as *realistic*, given the guys I saw around me while
> growing up.

Stubbleine is often a guest on podcasts which those who fear their 
proforma tarnished stay away from.  :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> Bert Stubbleine sounds completely bonkers to me! You can believe
> you can walk through walls as much as you want, maybe project
> Stargate (were they expecting to be taken seriously?) could have
> filmed him doing this then we wouldn't need to believe it was 
> possible either.

My father was a career US Air Force officer. I grew up
having the head honchos who ran the bases he worked on
sitting around in our living room talking, and listen-
ing to them talk. This guy may be bonkers, but he sounds
pretty normal to me. He would not "stand out" in the
military crowd.

I remember clearly seeing "Dr. Strangelove" when it was
first released in theaters, and having the realization
that these (General 'Buck' Turgidson, Brigadier General 
Jack D. Ripper, Colonel 'Bat' Guano, Major 'King' Kong,
and Lieutenant Lothar Zogg) were the first military 
officers I had ever seen portrayed onscreen who struck 
me as *realistic*, given the guys I saw around me while
growing up.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[m 13]

Seeing women's value
is a start to peace
 
Doin' the 'Adam'
(placing blame onto another)
destroys and is not indicative of healing 
 
In it's stead, let us find beauty in all other life, plant, human -all
let us live in what we have now
Let us play and revel in what there is now
 
let us leave behind why's , who's...blame  ;finding it negative...
There is a Divine , and therefore Good intent behind all this, not evil
 
let us revel in the new
even if we do not understand fully all it's intrinsic nature of blessing.
For that is what it is
bliss
 
See it now
celebrate it now
 
-M
 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .....

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: r...@...
> Subject: invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .
>  
> Hi Rick,
> 
> I always got a lot of mmy projects where not
> meant for us, the TM-consumers and mmy-believers, but where
> directly meant for others, mostly the power-people,
> and to shake them, to wake up.
> 
> So here is a fascinating document, showing, that mmy really
> reached out and made it into high official intelligence.
> 
> They all believed in zze maharishi, but never
>  showed it openly.
> Maybe, a lot of people are intelligent enough, to
> only need a small impulse, and than go on themselves.
> 
> So that is, what most mmy-projects did.
> Make people think.
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the
>  United States Army. He was
> the commanding general of the
>  ommand> United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to
> 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in
>  parapsychology.
> Stubblebine graduated from the
>  United States
> Military Academy and received a
>  master's degree in
>  chemical engineering
> from   Columbia
> University. 
> [1] He spent 32 years in the Army, rising to the rank of Major General. He
> is credited with redesigning the US Army
>  intelligence
> architecture during his command of the
>  ommand> United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to
> 1984. Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research
> and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command
> (INSCOM).
>  > [2] Stubblebine was a key person in the US military invasions of Panama
> and Grenada and was, according to a report published by the
>  Daily Mail, "at the heart of
> America's military machine".
>  [3] He
> is a member of the
>  Military
> Intelligence Hall of Fame.
>  [4]
> He was a supporter of the  
> Stargate Project.[ 
> citation needed]
> After Stubblebine retired from the Army, in 1984, he worked for BDM
> Corporation.
>  OF_VIRGINIA-4> [5] He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government
> contractors,
> 
> ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.
>  OF_VIRGINIA-4> [5]
> Stubblebine appeared in the 2006
>  documentary "One Nation
> Under Siege"
>  > [2] where he states that a  
> Boeing 757 airplane could not have crashed into
>  The Pentagon on
>  September 11, 2001.[
>  citation needed]
> A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a US military
> project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability
> to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged
> visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability
> to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment,
> similar to  
> levitation.[3]
>   He
> features prominently in   Jon
> Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats
>  [6]
>  , where he is
> described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls.[7]
> 

[FairfieldLife] 911 .......

[Rick Archer]

http://bluesplayer.co.uk/youtube_animation/video/daNr_TrBw6E/General-of-all-
American-Intelligence-911-was-a-fraud.html
 

[FairfieldLife] Invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .....

[Rick Archer]

From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:45 PM
To: r...@searchsummit.com
Subject: invisibility, levitation and walk through walls .
 
Hi Rick,

I always got a lot of mmy projects where not
meant for us, the TM-consumers and mmy-believers, but where
directly meant for others, mostly the power-people,
and to shake them, to wake up.

So here is a fascinating document, showing, that mmy really
reached out and made it into high official intelligence.

They all believed in zze maharishi, but never
 showed it openly.
Maybe, a lot of people are intelligent enough, to
only need a small impulse, and than go on themselves.

So that is, what most mmy-projects did.
Make people think.

cheers


Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the
 United States Army. He was
the commanding general of the
 United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to
1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in
 parapsychology.
Stubblebine graduated from the
 United States
Military Academy and received a
 master's degree in
 chemical engineering
from   Columbia
University. 
[1] He spent 32 years in the Army, rising to the rank of Major General. He
is credited with redesigning the US Army
 intelligence
architecture during his command of the
 United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to
1984. Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research
and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command
(INSCOM).
 [2] Stubblebine was a key person in the US military invasions of Panama
and Grenada and was, according to a report published by the
 Daily Mail, "at the heart of
America's military machine".
 [3] He
is a member of the
 Military
Intelligence Hall of Fame.
 [4]
He was a supporter of the  
Stargate Project.[ 
citation needed]
After Stubblebine retired from the Army, in 1984, he worked for BDM
Corporation.
 [5] He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government
contractors,

ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.
 [5]
Stubblebine appeared in the 2006
 documentary "One Nation
Under Siege"
 [2] where he states that a  
Boeing 757 airplane could not have crashed into
 The Pentagon on
 September 11, 2001.[
 citation needed]
A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a US military
project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability
to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged
visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability
to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment,
similar to  
levitation.[3]
  He
features prominently in   Jon
Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats
 [6]
 , where he is
described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls.[7]
 
Stubblebine and his wife, psychiatrist
 Rima E. Laibow, M.D., founded the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > >
> > > What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas 
> > > meditating!
> 
> > Feel free to swear properly Mike, we're all men of the world 
> > around here.
> 
> 
> Apparently not. Some appear to see virgins on pedastals, wailing damsels in 
> distress, dark sinister villians (probably with those long, waxed mustaches) 
> and perhaps projections of themselves as white knights - or white hatted 
> cowboys -- riding to the rescue. Sounds like boys walking out of the picture 
> show in 1915 after seeing the latest dime-store western -- not men of the 
> world. 

In that case I stand corrected and commend you for your
sensitivity. I just thought if hanging around here doesn't
toughen you up a bit..

> However, for my clear sin of stupidity in seeing it this way, I fear Tom Mix 
> may come gunnin' for me "This wide open country ain't big enough for contrary 
> views, Black Bart. You best be git before you rile up the citizens here and 
> we come to lynch ya.". 

Hmmm, maybe your way is best.


> 
> >  
> > > --- On Wed, 4/21/10, gullible fool  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: gullible fool 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:00 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame 
> > > for earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says. 
> > >   
> > > Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, 
> > > said women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
> > >  
> > > "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread 
> > > adultery in society which increases earthquakes, " he explained. 
> > >  
> > > Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last 
> > > decade. 
> > >  
> > > Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University 
> > > campus mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by 
> > > Iranians when he warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy". 
> > >  
> > > "What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other 
> > > solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's 
> > > moral codes," he said. 
> > >  
> > > 'Disappoint God'
> > >  
> > > Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of 
> > > how they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing 
> > > tight-fitting clothes. 
> > >  
> > > Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed 
> > > presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people 
> > > to hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake". 
> > >  
> > > "Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront 
> > > such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint 
> > > God." 
> > >  
> > > More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient 
> > > city of Bam in 2003. 
> > >  
> > > Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a 
> > > large number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating 
> > > earthquake soon. 
> > >  
> > > President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million 
> > > inhabitants should relocate. 
> > >  
> > > There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom. 
> > > 
> > > http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/8631775. stm
> > >  
> > > "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' 
> > > only love." 
> > >  
> > > - Amma 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > For that matter, someone who's been sheltered from normal
> > social relationships with the opposite sex for as long as
> > MMY was isn't likely to think about it either.
> 
> Large assumption perhaps. Did he start his activity in
> the 70's? or the 50's? Or, as nabulous said, he did not
> comment even if Purusha took a getaway weekend. Maybe
> he could relate.

Could be, but all the stories are from the '70s, as far
as I'm aware. And in any case, even if he did mess
around earlier, it still wasn't in a normal social
context.

> > It's a mug's game to try to figure out how MMY felt about
> > anything, but I'm really curious. From what I've read, it
> > seems the dilly-dallying took place during a specific
> > period--I have the impression it was a decade or less--and
> > then stopped. Your typical philanderer *doesn't* stop. So
> > why did MMY? Conscience? The pragmatic aspects?
> 
> Why the philanderer image?

"philander, to have casual or illicit sexual relations
with a woman or with many women"

Sounds on the nose to me.

> Its surprising to me that many here seem to have this
> rogue image of the man -- it was all exploitive -- little
> red riding hood and the big bad wolf.  Perhaps. But so
> many other possibilities. While some will differ, those
> are not the qualities I found in the man.

But I explicitly drew a contrast with the *typical*
philanderer. Did you miss that?

> And as far as age, there were some quite attractive
> mid-30's women around. (and some school marms -- its
> not a universal observation) Would mid 30's cosmopolitan
> European women have been OK?

Maybe not so bad, but not really OK if they were 
disciples, again because of the power differential.

> > > The difference in authority and power between MMY and the
> > > women, however,  is another issue
> 
> > That's the biggie, IMHO. It really changes the consensuality
> > equation. 
> 
> > It would with any powerful man who holds a lot of
> > authority over a younger woman, but *especially* with a
> > supposedly enlightened spiritual teacher and a disciple.
> 
> I used to think along those lines. But I don't now. One
> can paint a picture of and  image power sex, but I don't
> see it. I don't see him forcing himself on anyone, using
> power as a coercive threat.

Neither do I, nor was that what any of the stories I
read suggested--to the contrary. But that's just the
point, a powerful man often doesn't *have* to do any
overt coercing. Coercion is implicit in the power
differential, at least to the extent that, as I said,
it changes the consensuality equation so it's no 
longer balanced; it isn't a level playing field.

> As I have said, its quite plausible to me that it was
> more the inverse of that, if anything -- but I don't
> think anyone was forcing anyone. What was he saying --
> if going down the former road "I am am going to withhold 
> enlightenment to you if you don't do me?"

And as I have said, I didn't see anything in the various
stories that suggested he did anything along those lines,
although it's very common in similar stories about other
gurus.

> I have been shaken by relations -- particularly those
> that went south. Basket case for a bit. The world is
> full of stories of men and women having a rough patch
> when or as relations end. Most people understand this
> when entering relations.

I think you might want to read some of the clinical
literature on how these kinds of relationships--i.e.,
with a guru/authority figure--affect the women involved.
It just doesn't work the same way, especially if the
guru is viewed as holy/enlightened.


> How did J or others think it was going to end? To be
> the Mrs MMY? To be a consort for 30 years "in the palace"?
> Raise a family? I believe that is a naive, condescending
> and simplistic view of her.

Gee, you're really not reading what I write. I'm suggesting
they weren't thinking that far ahead. I sure didn't when I
was their age, and I got myself into some messes as a result
(fortunately not of this type).


> > One thing I *haven't* encountered, that I can recall--
> > somebody correct me if I'm wrong--in any of the stories that
> > *is* a feature of many similar stories about other gurus is
> > the promotion by the guru of the idea that having sex with
> > him is going to further the woman's spiritual evolution. (Of
> > course, that's an assumption the women may have adopted on
> > their own.)
> 
> If so, then those women were out for themselves -- or I guess
> themSelves.

My guess is some of them may actually have felt sorry
for him. Or that may even have been his pitch--"It's
so lonesome here at the top..."


> > The sense I get of the overall picture is that MMY was just
> > pathetically *naive* about the whole business. He knew it
> > had to be kept quiet, but other than that, he really didn't
> > know what he was doing, especially emotio

[FairfieldLife] Civic Center: The Crucial May 4 Vote

[Rick Archer]

 
Dear Friends,
Did you know that there is a referendum vote on May 4 for all Fairfield city
residents? Its purpose is to allow the City of Fairfield to use 12.5% of the
existing Local Option Sales Tax to purchase the Fairfield Arts and
Convention Center for $650,000. 
If this vote doesn't pass, it's almost certain that the Civic Center will go
dark for at least 6 months and for as long as 2 years. For everything that
the Center now adds to our quality of life and Fairfield's economy, I'm
voting "Yes" and also doing everything I can to help get out the "Yes" vote
on May 4th. 
I'm appealing to you to vote "Yes" on the referendum. And, since absentee
ballots are available now, you can vote at the courthouse through April
30th. 
If you want additional information to make a fully informed decision, I got
the facts from  
www.FairfieldCenterInfo.com . 
If you'd like to help to get out the vote, please let me know or contact
FACC board member, Tom Makeig  at tmakei...@lisco.com
Thanks for your help!
Marsha 
ps Did you know that absentee ballots are already available for the May 4
referendum for the City of Fairfield to purchase the Civic Center? They are
available at the Jefferson County courthouse through April 30th.
 
<>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Duveyoung]

Wanna bet I never get a decent straight answer out of him? And who could grill 
this old fart successfully?  No onecuz he's practiced every answer -- just 
as we had our answers for first lectures all prepared. 

He's an old man.  He's taken a stance, and he's not going to budge out of it 
for the likes of me.  There's zero profit in the scenario for any party -- what 
do I get?a merit badge for yelling at someone?  Hell, even here when I put 
up the list and asked for suggestions, there was almost a group yawn.  And now 
what, you want me to beat on an old guy so that I, what?, tarnish my already 
rusted through image here? 

I viewed his recent videos and there's just not a hint of him being willing to 
take a step back or explain his part in the whole fiasco. 

I loved the guy, but he can't simply walk back into the movement spotlight 
without some 'splainin' to do.  No movement leader has ever not once not one 
god damned time stood up and spoke the real truth to any of us.  

Who here thinks I should put on my best bastard hat and wail on beloved old 
Jerry?  As much as I'd love the true answers to my questions, for me to expect 
them "for free" when the cost to the TMO and presumably Jerry's reputation is 
so large to "cede that ground," would be like me walking into an already swung 
fist.

Creating the list was good work for me though...got me clear about the couple 
dozen issues that were begging for my attention, and almost any of them, if I 
had answered them truthfully way back when, should have had me leaving the 
movement on the spot, but n, I had to cut the movement break after 
break after break So, um no Jerry, you don't knock on my door and ask for 
another one.  

Again, St. Paul? -- come to Fairfield, do an open lecture and take questions -- 
anything less is cowardly and manipulative and certainly a tell that no real 
interaction or exchange is being offered.  Do this in Fairfield, and I drive 
the six hours to attend.

Even on the basis of him saying he's enlightened, we deserve to ask him why the 
fuck his "holy" voice was muted so ruthlessly and yet he never cosmically even 
did a double take enough to hang in there for our sakes and fight the good 
fight against his ouster.  And, he didn't do the siddhi program, right?  Yet 
here he's being trotted out to do what?  Sell us mercury laced medicine?  
Promise we're all "so close to enlightenment now?"  

Jerry, I didn't ask, cuz you wouldn't tell.  

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> right...it's all vile; the Movement will self-destruct since there's almost 
> nothing worth saving.  But I still like TM. That will survive;...and I still 
> like Jerry inspite of his drinking the Kool Aid.
> Go ahead...call him. I dare you. If so, get back with the outcome. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > yifuxero
> > 
> > I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself the 
> > shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing full well 
> > that that simply wouldn't happen.  
> > 
> > Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe he 
> > deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and his 
> > continuing support of it?  I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up the 
> > phone, right?  He could've answered me"doesn't do email" -- what a 
> > fucking lame assed excuse.
> > 
> > It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove himself 
> > a person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that he's so 
> > ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be handled.  This 
> > isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole generations of the 
> > faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden at any cost from us.
> > 
> > And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us?  Fuck that shit!  
> > 
> > Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly 
> > instead of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some 
> > desperate and obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long ago. 
> > 
> > By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've found 
> > at the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof do we need 
> > of the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering and shaky 
> > about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement?
> > 
> > I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful guru, and 
> > it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool.  Pissed at myself, 
> > firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and Jerry too.
> > 
> > Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and the 
> > actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the 
> > immorality of B and H as they maraud the marriages.
> > 
> > And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas 
> > meditating!

> Feel free to swear properly Mike, we're all men of the world 
> around here.


Apparently not. Some appear to see virgins on pedastals, wailing damsels in 
distress, dark sinister villians (probably with those long, waxed mustaches) 
and perhaps projections of themselves as white knights - or white hatted 
cowboys -- riding to the rescue. Sounds like boys walking out of the picture 
show in 1915 after seeing the latest dime-store western -- not men of the 
world. 

However, for my clear sin of stupidity in seeing it this way, I fear Tom Mix 
may come gunnin' for me "This wide open country ain't big enough for contrary 
views, Black Bart. You best be git before you rile up the citizens here and we 
come to lynch ya.". 




 
> 
>  
> > --- On Wed, 4/21/10, gullible fool  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: gullible fool 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:00 AM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for 
> > earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says. 
> >   
> > Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, 
> > said women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
> >  
> > "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread 
> > adultery in society which increases earthquakes, " he explained. 
> >  
> > Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last 
> > decade. 
> >  
> > Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University campus 
> > mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by Iranians when 
> > he warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy". 
> >  
> > "What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other 
> > solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's 
> > moral codes," he said. 
> >  
> > 'Disappoint God'
> >  
> > Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of how 
> > they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing 
> > tight-fitting clothes. 
> >  
> > Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed 
> > presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people to 
> > hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake". 
> >  
> > "Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront 
> > such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint 
> > God." 
> >  
> > More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient 
> > city of Bam in 2003. 
> >  
> > Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a large 
> > number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating earthquake 
> > soon. 
> >  
> > President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million 
> > inhabitants should relocate. 
> >  
> > There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom. 
> > 
> > http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/8631775. stm
> >  
> > "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' 
> > only love." 
> >  
> > - Amma 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Hugo  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I certainly find it hard to believe you exist.
> >
> >
> >
> I dated a girl years ago who was an honors philosophy graduate from Vassar.
> Whenever we got into a tiff she used to prove that I didn't exist.

That must have worn down the ol' ego.

 
> Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Hugo  wrote:

>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
> I certainly find it hard to believe you exist.
>
>
>
I dated a girl years ago who was an honors philosophy graduate from Vassar.
Whenever we got into a tiff she used to prove that I didn't exist.



-- 
Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM "Science" Cycle

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's the way it looks to me:
> > > 
> > > * In my impressionable youth, an Indian guy wearing a 
> > > dress
> > 
> > And here's the way it looks to me: The phrase "wearing a
> > dress" and its insistent repetition is a dead giveaway that
> > there's at least as much bias and elitism in this account
> > as in what it's criticizing, at least as much disregard for
> > even a pretense of objectivity...
> 
> LOL.
> 
> Isn't it fascinating to see what pushes TBs' buttons?  :-)

More fascinating to see what Barry thinks is a TB button.
Sorry, but I find it just as elitist and biased when
someone refers to the pope as "wearing a dress" (even
though the implication in the pope's case is most likely
closer to the reality).

> My post was directed to Doug/Buck. I wished to find a
> phrase to describe Maharishi that had some of the same
> "tone" or "feel" or "respectfulness" as the way he uses 
> the phrase "non-meditators."

The phrase "non-meditators," however, reflects reality.
"Wearing a dress" doesn't, even absent the sexist/
homophobic coloration.

Hint: You could have made the same point you pretend
you were making by using the phrase "wearing a white
silk dhoti" instead.

> When he says "non-meditators," it feels similar to the 
> way that some people use the word "Nigger" or "Kike." 

Sounds like you had your buttons pushed good and proper.

> I thought he deserved to see what it felt like. Guess
> THE CORRECTOR deserved to feel it, too.

Uh-huh. Except that Buck is perfectly straightforward
about his elitism, such as it may be, whereas you're
a far worse elitist than he is but feign to the 
contrary--utterly oblivious to the inane self-
referentiality of trying to make it seem as though
you're a "better person" because you supposedly aren't
an elitist.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hugo:
> > The nothingness is easily understood too. Dying is most 
> > probably like going under anaesthetic, nothing you can 
> > do except disappear. Along with awareness goes the part 
> > of you that thinks there must be something else that 
> > survives...
> >
> You are using metaphysical terms, so to follow this thread, 
> you'd have to assume that we 'exist' in the first place, in 
> order to postulate that we will one day be 'non-existent'. 

I certainly find it hard to believe you exist.




> So, really you have said nothing, except to postulate a 
> metaphysical nihilism. In which case, you have said nothing, 
> since you have not proved that we exist. 
> 
> It's a case of circular logic, if not a logical fallacy.
> 
> > > I guess I must not be sane, then, because I see the horror
> > > at the "awful emptiness of death" as a cognitive problem, a
> > > peculiar inability to recognize that if Nothing Comes Next,
> > > *you won't know it*. Or anything else. People seem to think
> > > they're going to *be* there, looking around at the 
> > > emptiness and thinking how awful it is, being nothing and
> > > finding it excruciating, even experiencing their bodies
> > > rotting. *That* seems insane to me.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Rick Archer  wrote:

>
>
>  Posts I asked Buck to remind us of:
>
> Today in the domes, you have left yourself with some
> TSR people who are generally "well made" people of
> means. Beyond a partial group of "well made" is
> another group of folks who are "well" employed. By
> any demographics you want to choose, both of these
> groups are minorities in our larger group of
> meditators.
>
>
It's obvious that Jesus had it wrong.  The Hindu version of things is
correct:  blessed are the rich for they have good karma and they have chosen
the proper path in life.  Interesting how the Raj, the Rukmapura peons cater
to the rich, have this rich sort of polish about them yet they themselves
can't afford dome fees.

I well remember a yahoo who posted here years ago who asserted a certain
blessedness because through proper application of the sidhis and choice of a
career, he was prosperous and IRRC, he was very proud of his income, which
level of which he alluded to herein, and the fact that he took a month or
two at the Raj to take care of a prostate problem.  No one challenged him
back then.  But the forum was full with the likes of the psychologist in
Boca Raton (very wealthy town) and Rudra Joe, who once got fired from a
restaurant for feeding the staff the restaurant's foi gras and truffles.
Looks like activism waxes and wanes here on FairfieldRife.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[WillyTex]

Hugo:
> The nothingness is easily understood too. Dying is most 
> probably like going under anaesthetic, nothing you can 
> do except disappear. Along with awareness goes the part 
> of you that thinks there must be something else that 
> survives...
>
You are using metaphysical terms, so to follow this thread, 
you'd have to assume that we 'exist' in the first place, in 
order to postulate that we will one day be 'non-existent'. 

So, really you have said nothing, except to postulate a 
metaphysical nihilism. In which case, you have said nothing, 
since you have not proved that we exist. 

It's a case of circular logic, if not a logical fallacy.

> > I guess I must not be sane, then, because I see the horror
> > at the "awful emptiness of death" as a cognitive problem, a
> > peculiar inability to recognize that if Nothing Comes Next,
> > *you won't know it*. Or anything else. People seem to think
> > they're going to *be* there, looking around at the 
> > emptiness and thinking how awful it is, being nothing and
> > finding it excruciating, even experiencing their bodies
> > rotting. *That* seems insane to me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas meditating!

Feel free to swear properly Mike, we're all men of the world 
around here.


 
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, gullible fool  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: gullible fool 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:00 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for 
> earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says. 
>   
> Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, said 
> women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
>  
> "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread 
> adultery in society which increases earthquakes, " he explained. 
>  
> Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last decade. 
>  
> Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University campus 
> mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by Iranians when he 
> warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy". 
>  
> "What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other 
> solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's 
> moral codes," he said. 
>  
> 'Disappoint God'
>  
> Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of how 
> they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing tight-fitting 
> clothes. 
>  
> Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed 
> presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people to 
> hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake". 
>  
> "Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront 
> such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint 
> God." 
>  
> More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient city 
> of Bam in 2003. 
>  
> Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a large 
> number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating earthquake 
> soon. 
>  
> President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million 
> inhabitants should relocate. 
>  
> There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom. 
> 
> http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/8631775. stm
>  
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM "Science" Cycle

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Here's the way it looks to me:
> > 
> > * In my impressionable youth, an Indian guy wearing a 
> > dress
> 
> And here's the way it looks to me: The phrase "wearing a
> dress" and its insistent repetition is a dead giveaway that
> there's at least as much bias and elitism in this account
> as in what it's criticizing, at least as much disregard for
> even a pretense of objectivity...

LOL.

Isn't it fascinating to see what pushes TBs' buttons?  :-)

My post was directed to Doug/Buck. I wished to find a
phrase to describe Maharishi that had some of the same
"tone" or "feel" or "respectfulness" as the way he uses 
the phrase "non-meditators."

When he says "non-meditators," it feels similar to the 
way that some people use the word "Nigger" or "Kike." 

I thought he deserved to see what it felt like. Guess
THE CORRECTOR deserved to feel it, too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi

[WillyTex]

Curtis: 
> It is in the legal arena where the concepts become 
> the most murky.  Personally I believe Patty Hurst 
> was brainwashed and in a diminished capacity when 
> she robbed the bank...
>
Maybe so, but Patty Hearst was unsuccessful in her 
attempt to claim a 'brainwashing' defense, as were 
Steven Fishman, even with the 'expert' testimony of 
Margaret Singer, and they were both found guilty. 

The 'brainwashed' defense of Lee Boyd Malvo was also 
rejected by the court, and all of the above were 
found guilty and sentenced to prison.

Margaret Singer was censured by her peers. Most of 
the testimony she gave in major cases was discredited. 

That's because it has been proved that 'brainwashing' 
and 'mind control' don't really work. If it did, we 
could use 'mind control' in our prisons to help
rehabilitate convicted prisoners, right?. 

So, I don't think that many psychologists currently 
support the 'coercive persuasion' technique espoused 
by Singer. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> > And yet, and yet ... of course I understand why so many
> > people want to believe in heaven, even now, even in the
> > face of all the evidence, and all reason. It is a way – 
> > however futilely – of trying to escape the awful
> > emptiness of death. As Philip Larkin put it: "Not to be
> > here/Not to be anywhere/And soon; nothing more terrible,
> > nothing more true".

I know. Enlightenment sounds like such a drag. Imagine, losing the sense of 
individuality. No more "mine" and "Me". The horror!


 To die. To rot. To be nothing. We
> > wouldn't be sane if we didn't seek a way to leap off
> > this conveyor-belt heading towards a cliff.
> 
> I guess I must not be sane, then, because I see the horror
> at the "awful emptiness of death" as a cognitive problem, a
> peculiar inability to recognize that if Nothing Comes Next,
> *you won't know it*. Or anything else. People seem to think
> they're going to *be* there, looking around at the 
> emptiness and thinking how awful it is, being nothing and
> finding it excruciating, even experiencing their bodies
> rotting. *That* seems insane to me.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> 
> > I also think an important consideration is how the women
> > he was with felt about it all.  If they were willing and
> > eager and felt ok about, then that goes a long way to
> > making it ok.
> 
> I'd guess most were willing and eager to start with, but
> with these kinds of relationships it's usually the
> development and especially the denouement that causes
> pain, at the time and sometimes for many years afterward.
> 
> When you're young, you tend not to think too much about
> how what you see as a big adventure is all going to turn
> out.

Yes the young have it hard. Even some in their 40's don't think too much about 
how its going to turn out -- and get sucked into the adventure, the falling 
down the rabbit hole, the magical mystery tour -- thats a big part of 
relations. 
 
> For that matter, someone who's been sheltered from normal
> social relationships with the opposite sex for as long as
> MMY was isn't likely to think about it either.

Large assumption perhaps. Did he start his activity in the 70's? or the 50's? 
Or, as nabulous said, he did not comment even if Purusha took a getaway 
weekend. Maybe he could relate. 

> 
> It's a mug's game to try to figure out how MMY felt about
> anything, but I'm really curious. From what I've read, it
> seems the dilly-dallying took place during a specific
> period--I have the impression it was a decade or less--and
> then stopped. Your typical philanderer *doesn't* stop. So
> why did MMY? Conscience? The pragmatic aspects?

Why the philanderer image? Its surprising to me that many here seem to have 
this rogue image of the man -- it was all exploitive -- little red riding hood 
and the big bad wolf.  Perhaps. But so many other possibilities. While some 
will differ, those are not the qualities I found in the man. 

And as far as age, there were some quite attractive mid-30's women around. (and 
some school marms -- its not a universal observation) Would mid 30's 
cosmopolitan European women have been OK?  
 
> > The difference in authority and power between MMY and the
> > women, however,  is another issue

> That's the biggie, IMHO. It really changes the consensuality
> equation. 

> It would with any powerful man who holds a lot of
> authority over a younger woman, but *especially* with a
> supposedly enlightened spiritual teacher and a disciple.

I used to think along those lines. But I don't now. One can paint a picture of 
and  image power sex, but I don't see it. I don't see him forcing himself on 
anyone, using power as a coercive threat.  As I have said, its quite plausible 
to me that it was more the inverse of that, if anything -- but I don't think 
anyone was forcing anyone. What was he saying -- if going down the former road 
"I am am going to withhold enlightenment to you if you don't do me?"

One woman J. in particular was shaken by the thing as recounted by skin boys 
(who have their own shaking out when replaced -- not all leave happily -- and 
projecting their disgruntlement on others a bit is not unfathomable.) Judith it 
appears was not, but her book will say. I have been shaken by relations -- 
particularly those that went south. Basket case for a bit. The world is full of 
stories of men and women having a rough patch when or as relations end. Most 
people understand this when entering relations. Its a part of life. And even if 
naive -- then an affair with Biff in hte room next door at the TTC may have 
greatly shaken her. Indeed, I wish I could wave a magic wand and proclaim "No 
more hurt from relations. No More! poof!" but -- thats not life. Thats a fairy 
tale.

How did J or others think it was going to end? To be the Mrs MMY? To be a 
consort for 30 years "in the palace"? Raise a family? I believe that is a 
naive, condescending and simplistic view of her. 

How did she say, or other say, the affairs started? I may not remember the 
details -- but I don't recall coercion or pressure. I recall an eager girl 
thinking this was great. While some appear to have seen a lot of naive country 
girls just off the turnip truck around him -- I did not -- but I hardly saw 
everything / everywhere. There were some deeply devoted types -- maybe those 
were seen as turnip girls -- however, I see a large distinction between naivity 
and devotion. Others I saw were sophisticated women -- even if 22 -- though a 
lot were in mid to later 20's as I recall. This was the 70's not the 50's -- 
that I saw. (though it would not be a shock if there was such activity in the 
50's I have heard some inklings of that.)  


> One thing I *haven't* encountered, that I can recall--
> somebody correct me if I'm wrong--in any of the stories that
> *is* a feature of many similar stories about other gurus is
> the promotion by the guru of the idea that having sex with
> him is going to further the woman's spiritual evolution. (Of
> cour

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> > And yet, and yet ... of course I understand why so many
> > people want to believe in heaven, even now, even in the
> > face of all the evidence, and all reason. It is a way – 
> > however futilely – of trying to escape the awful
> > emptiness of death. As Philip Larkin put it: "Not to be
> > here/Not to be anywhere/And soon; nothing more terrible,
> > nothing more true". To die. To rot. To be nothing. We
> > wouldn't be sane if we didn't seek a way to leap off
> > this conveyor-belt heading towards a cliff.
> 
> I guess I must not be sane, then, because I see the horror
> at the "awful emptiness of death" as a cognitive problem, a
> peculiar inability to recognize that if Nothing Comes Next,
> *you won't know it*. Or anything else. People seem to think
> they're going to *be* there, looking around at the 
> emptiness and thinking how awful it is, being nothing and
> finding it excruciating, even experiencing their bodies
> rotting. *That* seems insane to me.

The nothingness is easily understood too. Dying is most probably
like going under anaesthetic, nothing you can do except disappear. Along with 
awareness goes the part of you that thinks there must 
be something else that survives.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcano info

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, man, you gotta see this hot lava action! Extraordinary
> > > video.
> > > 
> > > http://vimeo.com/channels/hd#10638288
> > > 
> > > Usually all you can hear in such videos is the helicopter's
> > > motor, but in this one somehow they've managed to block most
> > > of it out 
> 
> (I sent this video to my sister, and she pointed out that
> it wasn't shot from a helicopter. Duh!)
> 
> > > and capture the growling, whooshing, rustling,
> > > crackling, slurping sounds the volcano is making. The sound
> > > the lava makes at one point as it drips down from the crater
> > > is--I can't think of another word for it--delicious.
> > 
> > I get a shiver down my spine looking at volcanoes, it must be
> > that the earth usually seems so solid and predictable we 
> > forget about the sort of power that lies beneath our feet.
> 
> I have a similar sense just about thunderstorms. Imagine if
> you were an extraterrestrial visitor from a sedate planet
> that didn't have 'em, how awed you would be! And yet, unlike
> with volcanoes and earthquakes and massive floods and
> tornadoes, we take the incredible power of thunderstorms--
> what might be seen as cataclysms by the extraterrestrial--
> for granted (at least, as long as we're safe inside).

I'm with you on this. I always sit in my garden during a 
thunderstorm, these days anyway. I've deliberately gone
for walks in the woods during heavy storms before, being 
right under some serious lightning - *that's* frightening.
after five minutes I ran for my life, probably literally.

It certainly makes you aware of your own mortality, being
struck by lightning must hurt like nothing else, I can't
believe people survive it. Weirdly, the person who was
struck the most times and survived, 7 times, ended up 
killing himself! I don't know if I'd feel blessed or cursed
either.


 
> > Shame no-one was around to film some of the really big
> > eruptions like Yellowstone park or the Deccan traps which
> > erupted for about 30,000 years and covered an area half
> > the size of India with lava, possibly helping finish off
> > the dinosaurs. Now *that* is a volcano!
> 
> Or the cometary bombardment that created the Carolina Bays.
> That wasn't the earth's fault, of course. But I'm thinking
> somebody ought to be able to put together a pretty good CGI
> version of these massive disasters.

Roland Emmerich - He of 2012 fame - is probably working on it.
Trouble is his movies need survivors so the human interest
angle doesn't get too depressing and we can all feel good about ourselves. I 
don't suppose many of us would get through an 
extinction event with our hairstyles intact.

The Deccan traps event might even have been triggered by the 
asteroid that hit Mexico wiping out most of the dinosaurs. 
Scientists are actually starting research into whether climate
change will mean more volcanoes due to sea level rises putting pressure on weak 
tectonic areas. That'd be fun!

And the best thing about these extinction events is that we
wouldn't be here without a regular wiping clean of the 
evolutionary pathway. Ultimately the creatures that survive
longest on a planet like ours must be doing so because of
the ability to cope with the extended winters that eruptions 
bring, warm blooded things like us. Nature was working in our
favour all along. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Invention of Heaven

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:

> And yet, and yet ... of course I understand why so many
> people want to believe in heaven, even now, even in the
> face of all the evidence, and all reason. It is a way – 
> however futilely – of trying to escape the awful
> emptiness of death. As Philip Larkin put it: "Not to be
> here/Not to be anywhere/And soon; nothing more terrible,
> nothing more true". To die. To rot. To be nothing. We
> wouldn't be sane if we didn't seek a way to leap off
> this conveyor-belt heading towards a cliff.

I guess I must not be sane, then, because I see the horror
at the "awful emptiness of death" as a cognitive problem, a
peculiar inability to recognize that if Nothing Comes Next,
*you won't know it*. Or anything else. People seem to think
they're going to *be* there, looking around at the 
emptiness and thinking how awful it is, being nothing and
finding it excruciating, even experiencing their bodies
rotting. *That* seems insane to me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcano info

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Oh, man, you gotta see this hot lava action! Extraordinary
> > video.
> > 
> > http://vimeo.com/channels/hd#10638288
> > 
> > Usually all you can hear in such videos is the helicopter's
> > motor, but in this one somehow they've managed to block most
> > of it out 

(I sent this video to my sister, and she pointed out that
it wasn't shot from a helicopter. Duh!)

> > and capture the growling, whooshing, rustling,
> > crackling, slurping sounds the volcano is making. The sound
> > the lava makes at one point as it drips down from the crater
> > is--I can't think of another word for it--delicious.
> 
> I get a shiver down my spine looking at volcanoes, it must be
> that the earth usually seems so solid and predictable we 
> forget about the sort of power that lies beneath our feet.

I have a similar sense just about thunderstorms. Imagine if
you were an extraterrestrial visitor from a sedate planet
that didn't have 'em, how awed you would be! And yet, unlike
with volcanoes and earthquakes and massive floods and
tornadoes, we take the incredible power of thunderstorms--
what might be seen as cataclysms by the extraterrestrial--
for granted (at least, as long as we're safe inside).

> Shame no-one was around to film some of the really big
> eruptions like Yellowstone park or the Deccan traps which
> erupted for about 30,000 years and covered an area half
> the size of India with lava, possibly helping finish off
> the dinosaurs. Now *that* is a volcano!

Or the cometary bombardment that created the Carolina Bays.
That wasn't the earth's fault, of course. But I'm thinking
somebody ought to be able to put together a pretty good CGI
version of these massive disasters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[tartbrain]

No, actually was was looking how to promote TM, found a guy named Don Draper of 
Sterling Cooper Advertising. And Don quickly brought him up to speed about life 
in america.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> yes he wanted to get married like any regular Maharishi and have 3.5 kids and 
> a Kamadhenu in the Vaastu but he had to keep putting it off and putting it 
> off 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I am interested to understand why people find it difficult
> > > > to accept. Perhaps a bit jaw dropping at first. But after
> > > > the first "really!?", why is it particularly odd or
> > > > difficult to digest? 
> > > > 
> > > > And I suppose, its a relevant questions: should a teacher
> > > > be entitled to a private life? Entitled to some parts of
> > > > life that are of no business to students or anyone else.
> > > > 
> > > > I never heard MMY say he was celibate. Why should he?
> > > > Other than when he was Bal Bramachari Mahesh.  And then
> > > > he changed his name. Which is a pretty big clue in itself.
> > > > A practice useful for a student is not necessarily still
> > > > useful for an adult.
> > > > 
> > > > Like many of us, he may have not have gone out of his way
> > > > to correct some peoples misperceptions. Actually he spent
> > > > all day doing that -- misperceptions about "the path".
> > > > But it could have been an infinite job to try to straighten
> > > > people out in every area of his and their lives.
> > > 
> > > You're leaving one aspect of it out, that he allegedly
> > > had these affairs with female followers. That really
> > > isn't OK, because of the power differential; it's
> > > exploitative at best, predatory at worst, even if it
> > > was nominally consensual. And the age difference was
> > > substantial, by all accounts.
> > 
> > Not arguing, but the women may have been -- I think were in many cases   -- 
> > leveraging the situation.  A lot of the woman around him may have had nice 
> > doe eyes, but they were hardly naive or unworldly. Some were downright 
> > manipulative, Some quite sophisticated temptresses. Some were quite the man 
> > eaters. And you didn't usually get to be around maharishi without some 
> > street smarts. There were a lot of people edging in. Lots of elbowing. 
> > Girls just off the turnip truck were not among them. I sense that once the 
> > word got around among an inner circle of women, some were bending over 
> > backwards to be the It girl -- and made it clear to him. 
> > 
> > And some men and women leaders were bonking their brains out with 
> > underlings. Down to checkers or asana demonstrators scoring with their 
> > "students".  And there was a lot of sex going on at courses among 
> > participants.  Particularly beginnings and endings. MIU had professors and 
> > staff were dating much younger students. His actions were not outside the 
> > norm of the TMO or the times. 
> > 
> > As far as age difference, no one bats an eye at George Clooney or others 
> > when the age difference between he and his dates is 20-30 years. George 
> > Burns was iconic in this regard. Or any number of celebrities. I saw the 
> > other day Mr Big (Chris Noth) was dating someone 25-30 years younger. About 
> > the same age difference in the case 
> > of discussion. 
> >  
> > As far as other avenues, i suppose he could have gone down to the local bar 
> > in Mallorca or Suisse -- do a few shots, talk up some women. ("hey, you 
> > into unity?") But that would seem more unseemly. 
> > 
> > Professional women I suppose were an option. 
> > 
> > But frankly, it seems a lot more wholesome to be with women that loved him 
> > and he loved them. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I don't have any problem in the abstract with him
> > > getting his rocks off, but this was a rotten way to go
> > > about it.
> > > 
> > > He didn't have a lot of options  given the way he had
> > > things set up; he didn't have access to mature women
> > > who weren't his followers. But if he had sexual needs,
> > > he ought to have figured out some way to manage them
> > > that didn't involve dewy-eyed devotees. Or just accept
> > > that it was something he was going to have to deny
> > > himself.
> > > 
> > > If it weren't for his choice of sexual outlets, I'd
> > > agree with what you say 100 percent.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] IGlobal Country of World Peace leaders attend Kumbh Mela festival in Haridwar

[nablusoss1008]

India: Global Country of World Peace leaders attend Kumbh Mela festival
in Haridwar
by Global Good News staff writer

Global Good NewsTranslate This Article

20 April 2010

At the request of Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 , First
Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace
 , several Global
Country leaders recently attended the Kumbh Mela festival in Haridwar,
India.

Speaking on Maharishi Global Family Chat,* Dr Bevan Morris, Prime
Minister, reported that he; Raja
 
Jose Luis Alvarez, Raja of Invincible Latin America; Dr Neil Paterson;
and several members of the Maharishi Purusha Programme
  attended the event in Haridwar.

Please also see Global Good News article on the delegation's visit to
the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math
 
during the Kumbh Mela.

Dr Morris went on to explain that the Kumbh Mela takes place in four
different locations in India: Allahabad or Prayag, Haridwar, Nashik in
Maharashtra, and Ujjain in Madhya Pradesh. 'Although there is a Kumbh
Mela held every year at each of these locations, only every 12 years is
there a big one, attended by millions of people,' he said. 'This year,
knowing that a large Kumbh celebration was taking place in Haridwar,
Maharaja wished that a delegation of the Global Country of World Peace
would attend.'

Dr Morris noted that in 2013, a Kumbh Mela will take place in Allahabad,
India, where the Maharishi Samadhi Smarak 
, the Memorial of Total Knowledge celebrating the eternal Vedic wisdom
of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 , is being built. 'We hope that many Global Country of World Peace
members will be able to attend this celebration,' he said.

Reflecting on Maharishi's long historical connection with the Kumbh
Mela, Dr Morris said that many years ago, Maharishi organized for the
participation of his Master, Guru Dev,** in the ceremonies, as well as
organizing for groups to attend.

Dr Morris recalled that the second Training Course for Teachers of the
Transcendental Meditation Programme   held
by Maharishi in India, in 1966, began at a Kumbh Mela celebration. Also,
in 1989, several Global Country of World Peace leaders attended the
event with Maharishi in Allahabad. In 2001, Maharishi sent Global
Country of World Peace leaders, including Dr Morris, to attend the next
large Kumbh Mela in Allahabad. 'This was a beautiful experience,' said
Dr Morris, 'with a total of 24 million people attending the event.'

Maharaja took this illustrious history into account when deciding to
form a group to attend the Kumbh Mela this year, said Dr Morris.

* Dr Morris's report was featured on the 17 April 2010 Maharishi Global
Family Chat  ,
broadcast daily via Internet webcast on the Maharishi Channel
 , Channel 3. Podcasts of the daily
Global Family Chat (audio track) are also now available for automatic
download, via an RSS feed
 .

** Guru Dev: His Divinity Brahmanand Saraswati, Jagatguru Shankaracharya
of Jyotir Math, Himalayas, and Maharishi's spiritual teacher. Guru Dev
is honoured as the embodiment of Vedic wisdom closest to Maharishi in
the illustrious tradition of Vedic Masters who have passed down the
eternal wisdom of life from teacher to student since time immemorial.

© Copyright 2010 Global Good News®

[FairfieldLife] New facilities to offer opportunity to spend time at Brahmasthan, India

[nablusoss1008]

New facilities to offer opportunity to spend time at Brahmasthan
(geographical centre) of India
by Global Good News staff writer

Global Good NewsTranslate This Article

20 April 2010

A new initiative has begun which will offer guests from around the world
the opportunity to enjoy courses at the Global Capital of World Peace
  in the
Brahmasthan (geographical centre) of India.

The Brahmasthan was established as the Global Capital of Raam Raj

* by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 , Founder of the Global Country of World Peace
 , in
January 2008.

Raja Harris Kaplan, Raja
  of
Invincible India for the Global Country, recently discussed plans to
quickly achieve this goal.**

'We are now completing a beautiful new residential facility for guests
and course participants at the centre, the Brahmasthan of India,' he
said.

Practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation Programme
  and Yogic Flying
  are
invited 'to come [next] winter, and enjoy the profound experience of
doing your programme there, and listening live every day to Maharishi
Vedic Pandits  ,' he continued. 'There is
a very rare, very special quality at the Brahmasthan of India. . . . it
is highly inspirational, highly transformational.'

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  wanted to create a beautiful facility for guests to 'come and
bathe in that sublime, soft, peacefulness, that lively silence', Raja
Harris commented.

Several new buildings will be completed for this project. Among planned
construction projects are three residential buildings that 'will have 30
two-room suites—all finished to a good western standard, including
high-speed internet. Each suite will have a front sitting room, a
bedroom, and a western-style bathroom,' said Raja Harris.

'The facilities will be open to course participants from around the
world in the cooler months, from September through the end of March.'

In the coming days Global Good News will feature the continuation of
Raja Harris's talk, in which he describes the beautiful courses guests
will be able to enjoy during their stay.

* Raam Raj: The full awakening of total Natural Law in the consciousness
of every individual, and in the collective consciousness of every nation
and the entire world, through Maharishi's programmes
 , creating a state of
invincible   permanent global peace,
happiness, and prosperity—Heaven on Earth.

** Raja Harris's report was featured on the 14 April 2010 Maharishi
Global Family Chat  ,
broadcast daily via Internet webcast on the Maharishi Channel
 , Channel 3. Podcasts of the daily
Global Family Chat (audio track) are also now available for automatic
download, via an RSS feed
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > If Tm is in straits now,
> > > > 
> > > > It's not, 
> > > > 
> > > > and Judith's book rings true,
> > > > 
> > > > Who cares ?
> > > > 
> > > >  it may take a  toll on the TMO as people get really upset or at least 
> > > > filled with doubts.
> > > > 
> > > > They won't and why should they ?
> > > > Only small fish, and non-meditators like I understand you are get upset 
> > > > by small things.
> > > >
> > > Nabby,
> > > 1. I am a long-time meditator, a teacher of TM in fact
> > 
> > I Did'nt know that.
> > 
> > > 2. I have suspected for many many many years that the stuff purportedly 
> > > in Judith's book is true - even way before the topic was brought up here 
> > > on FFL
> > 
> > And ? What's your point ?
> > 
> > > 3.  Yet I still think TM is powerful and do it and am eternally grateful 
> > > to Maharishi for so much
> > 
> > Nice. He saved this this planet from self-destruction ofcourse. 
> > 
> > > 4.  So, it has been a struggle to integrate, or maybe not at times, the 
> > > conflicting viewpoints
> > 
> > Where is the conflict ? Some people enjoy each others company mentally, 
> > physically or both, nothing wrong with that.
> > 
> > > 5.  The big question remains:  who really is the true believer, the 
> > > devotee,  in all this - the person who denies things they don't want to 
> > > know or refuses to consider anything "negative"?
> > 
> > Why is sex negative ?
> > 
> >   or the person who tries to deal with the information they find difficult 
> > to accept?
> > 
> >  I don't have the answer to this, but I do wonder just how true believers 
> > will respond to some info that is not so "light."
> > 
> > I still don't understand your problem.
> > 
> >

>snip

He was not what most of us thought he was - a celibate monk.  He said he was a 
monk and we all assumed celibate went with that. 

Good old projection. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the time. 



snip

[FairfieldLife] Study shows Brain Training not all it's cracked up to be....

[Hugo]

but still useful as you get older.
UK research casts doubt on brain training
By Ashley Hall

  [All in the mind: the study found no general benefit from brain
training]   

All in the mind: the study found no general benefit from brain training
(Flickr)

In recent years people have been urged to treat their brain like a
muscle, and train it regularly to keep it in top condition.

In other words, use it or lose it.

But now British researchers have scuttled the theory, with a study
finding no general benefit from brain training.

The researchers recruited about 11,500 people and asked them to log on
to a website and practice brain training tasks for 10 minutes a day,
three times a week.

After six weeks, they compared the participants' scores from the
beginning and end of the exercise.

"The results were pretty surprising. There was really no change at all,"
said Adrian Owen, a neuroscientist with Britain's Medical Resource
Council and an author of the study, which was published this morning in
Nature magazine.

"That's not to say they didn't improve at anything at all, the stuff
that they practised at, they obviously got better at.

"The actual training test they improved, but that's not terribly
surprising. What's really surprising is that there was no transfer
effects. No general change in cognitive function."

Dr Owen says the number of participants they recruited is a huge number
and gives them a lot of statistical power and the ability to detect even
tiny differences.

"We had 12 different brain training tests because we really wanted to
cover all of our bases," he said.

"These tests are very sensitive to small changes in general cognitive
function. So I'm quite confident that if there had been a difference, we
would have detected it."

Dr Owen says the brain training techniques are not necessarily a waste
of time and money, though.

"It depends why you're doing them. I mean, if you enjoy doing them, then
that's absolutely fine," he said.

"But something our results really demonstrate is that there are other
things that are just as good."

Importantly, Dr Owen points out the participants in his study were all
healthy people aged between 18 and 60.

Dr Michael Valenzuela from the School of Psychiatry at the University of
New South Wales says the findings would likely have been different if
the study had focussed on older people at risk for dementia.

"We've done a few systematic reviews or formal analysis of the results
from a number of different trials and those results indicate that brain
training in that context can be effective," he said.

"It can slow the rate of cognitive decline in older people and also slow
the rate of decline in people at risk for dementia.

"So, I think, in that context plus other clinical areas like
schizophrenia and brain injury, there is good evidence that it is
effective and that it can generalise."

And Dr Valenzuela says there is strong evidence that people who keep
working their brains and are more socially and physically active have a
lower risk of developing dementia.

From:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2878428.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:

> I also think an important consideration is how the women
> he was with felt about it all.  If they were willing and
> eager and felt ok about, then that goes a long way to
> making it ok.

I'd guess most were willing and eager to start with, but
with these kinds of relationships it's usually the
development and especially the denouement that causes
pain, at the time and sometimes for many years afterward.

When you're young, you tend not to think too much about
how what you see as a big adventure is all going to turn
out.

For that matter, someone who's been sheltered from normal
social relationships with the opposite sex for as long as
MMY was isn't likely to think about it either.

It's a mug's game to try to figure out how MMY felt about
anything, but I'm really curious. From what I've read, it
seems the dilly-dallying took place during a specific
period--I have the impression it was a decade or less--and
then stopped. Your typical philanderer *doesn't* stop. So
why did MMY? Conscience? The pragmatic aspects?

> The difference in authority and power between MMY and the
> women, however,  is another issue

That's the biggie, IMHO. It really changes the consensuality
equation. It would with any powerful man who holds a lot of
authority over a younger woman, but *especially* with a
supposedly enlightened spiritual teacher and a disciple.

One thing I *haven't* encountered, that I can recall--
somebody correct me if I'm wrong--in any of the stories that
*is* a feature of many similar stories about other gurus is
the promotion by the guru of the idea that having sex with
him is going to further the woman's spiritual evolution. (Of
course, that's an assumption the women may have adopted on
their own.)

The sense I get of the overall picture is that MMY was just
pathetically *naive* about the whole business. He knew it
had to be kept quiet, but other than that, he really didn't
know what he was doing, especially emotionally, or have any
idea of the possible psychological repercussions, on the
women or himself.

> (why not a woman saint more his own age?).

That would have been tremendously difficult to arrange,
given the box he'd put himself in. And it would probably
have been even harder to keep quiet than fooling around
with selected disciples.

> I look forward to reading what Judith has to say about
> how she felt about it, how it affected her then and as
> the years passed.

Me too. But based on her Web site, I have to wonder about
conflicts of interest skewing the tale.

[FairfieldLife] Inexpensive Progress

[Hugo]

 Inexpensive Progress
Encase your legs in nylons,
Bestride your hills with pylons
O age without a soul;
Away with gentle willows
And all the elmy billows
That through your valleys roll.

Let's say goodbye to hedges
And roads with grassy edges
And winding country lanes;
Let all things travel faster
Where motor car is master
Till only Speed remains.

Destroy the ancient inn-signs
But strew the roads with tin signs
'Keep Left,' 'M4,' 'Keep Out!'
Command, instruction, warning,
Repetitive adorning
The rockeried roundabout;

For every raw obscenity
Must have its small 'amenity,'
Its patch of shaven green,
And hoardings look a wonder
In banks of floribunda
With floodlights in between.

Leave no old village standing
Which could provide a landing
For aeroplanes to roar,
But spare such cheap defacements
As huts with shattered casements
Unlived-in since the war.

Let no provincial High Street
Which might be your or my street
Look as it used to do,
But let the chain stores place here
Their miles of black glass facia
And traffic thunder through.

And if there is some scenery,
Some unpretentious greenery,
Surviving anywhere,
It does not need protecting
For soon we'll be erecting
A Power Station there.

When all our roads are lighted
By concrete monsters sited
Like gallows overhead,
Bathed in the yellow vomit
Each monster belches from it,
We'll know that we are dead.

John Betjeman (1966)

From:

http://www.johnbetjeman.com/inexpensive.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > If Tm is in straits now,
> > > 
> > > It's not, 
> > > 
> > > and Judith's book rings true,
> > > 
> > > Who cares ?
> > > 
> > >  it may take a  toll on the TMO as people get really upset or at least 
> > > filled with doubts.
> > > 
> > > They won't and why should they ?
> > > Only small fish, and non-meditators like I understand you are get upset 
> > > by small things.
> > >
> > Nabby,
> > 1. I am a long-time meditator, a teacher of TM in fact
> 
> I Did'nt know that.
> 
> > 2. I have suspected for many many many years that the stuff purportedly in 
> > Judith's book is true - even way before the topic was brought up here on FFL
> 
> And ? What's your point ?
> 
> > 3.  Yet I still think TM is powerful and do it and am eternally grateful to 
> > Maharishi for so much
> 
> Nice. He saved this this planet from self-destruction ofcourse. 
> 
> > 4.  So, it has been a struggle to integrate, or maybe not at times, the 
> > conflicting viewpoints
> 
> Where is the conflict ? Some people enjoy each others company mentally, 
> physically or both, nothing wrong with that.
> 
> > 5.  The big question remains:  who really is the true believer, the 
> > devotee,  in all this - the person who denies things they don't want to 
> > know or refuses to consider anything "negative"?
> 
> Why is sex negative ?
> 
>   or the person who tries to deal with the information they find difficult to 
> accept?
> 
>  I don't have the answer to this, but I do wonder just how true believers 
> will respond to some info that is not so "light."
> 
> I still don't understand your problem.
> 
>
It's not really a problem that I have - at least not anymore. Now I get it - 
MMY seemed to be a monk but was not able to be a celibate monk.  When I first 
heard of the affairs in the 70's, I actually got dizzy and sick to my stomach - 
kind of the way a person would if they heard that their revered and trusted and 
beloved father actually had another family than yours somewhere and had had 
another secret life with another wife and children for some years.That's what 
it felt like.  It is not the sex that is wrong, or having children that is 
wrong or having a family that is wrong. It is the sense of being lied to, even 
if only by omission of information. But MMY was living one monkish life on the 
outside (could only wear silk, had to sit on a deerskin, could not touch anyone 
for fear of energy contamination), and apparently not that life in private. He 
was not what most of us thought he was - a celibate monk.  He said he was a 
monk and we all assumed celibate went with that.  

So, it takes some time to adjust to this kind of information when you first 
hear of it.  It can leave a lingering sense of cynicism about things spiritual, 
which is a shame.  We were young, naive, devoted, and new to this whole world 
of eastern gurus.   For those soon to be hearing about this for the first time 
from Judith's book, things could be really rocky for a while. That is my point. 

Hopefully, being adults with lots of life experience by now will ease the blow. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM "Science" Cycle

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Here's the way it looks to me:
> 
> * In my impressionable youth, an Indian guy wearing a 
> dress

And here's the way it looks to me: The phrase "wearing a
dress" and its insistent repetition is a dead giveaway that
there's at least as much bias and elitism in this account
as in what it's criticizing, at least as much disregard for
even a pretense of objectivity, at least as much of a
desire to be seen as SPECIAL and a "better person" than
the dude to whom it's directed.


 tells me that mediation is the "highest path" in
> the universe, and that learning and practicing it every
> day will make me not only a "better person," but really,
> really, really SPECIAL. 
> 
> * I am so naive and so wanting to be SPECIAL that I choose 
> to believe him.
> 
> * Later, to sell this same idea to more people, the Indian
> guy wearing a dress talks some of his students (who have no
> bias or interest in proving themselves SPECIAL, of course)
> into doing shoddy research to "prove" his claims that 
> meditation will make everyone a "better person" and really, 
> really, really SPECIAL. 
> 
> * I read this research, look at all the pretty charts that
> I don't understand, and renew my belief in what the Indian
> guy wearing a dress told me. I call this process "Science."
> 
> * Later, the same Indian guy wearing a dress tells me that
> not only am *I* a "better person" and really, really, really
> SPECIAL because *I* practice this meditation that he sells,
> I am *SO* SPECIAL that me sitting on my butt practicing it
> (or bouncing on that same butt) affects the *whole world*. 
> I am, in fact *SO* SPECIAL that I control the weather, 
> whether there are wars or peace, and the future of the 
> entire planet.
> 
> * I am so naive and so wanting to be SPECIAL that I choose 
> to believe him, again.
> 
> * Later, pretty much the same completely unbiased students 
> of the Indian guy wearing a dress are coerced into doing 
> *more* shoddy research to "prove" this second set of claims 
> true. 
> 
> * No one in the entire field of science believes this, but 
> I do, because *again* I don't have to change the beliefs I
> formed in my impressionable youth. Again, I call this 
> process "Science."
> 
> Am I wrong about this, Doug? This is what your use of the
> word "Science" looks like to me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios on 
> the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all nice 
> people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I listened. 
> Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I passed over. But 
> I got bored with most. 
> 

Well, along with this new 'blues' subject heading this might read like you're 
stuck in some spiritual impatience that way.

Yep sitting with BATGAP takes some discipline to do it.  BATGAP evidently is 
not media entertainment the way you're wanting it.

Your reaction here also reads like a classic spiritual depression as reaction, 
along with the Gas Pump Blues heading you choose. Also known spiritually as 
Acedia.  Now there is certainly some of that (acedia) around too as a different 
parallel spiritual conversation.

Rick was pretty clear about the project for what it is though.  

from the batgap page, 
About,

This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after 
week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of 
spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no 
universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, 
enlightenment is not something that an individual person "gets". It's not even 
something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which contains the 
mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language is inadequate 
to convey it. 

http://batgap.com/


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

[Mike Dixon]

What an effing idiot! Everybody knows quakes are caused by siddhas meditating!

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, gullible fool  wrote:


From: gullible fool 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 2:00 AM


  











  
Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for 
earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says. 
  
Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, said 
women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
 
"Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread adultery 
in society which increases earthquakes, " he explained. 
 
Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last decade. 
 
Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University campus 
mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by Iranians when he 
warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy". 
 
"What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other 
solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's moral 
codes," he said. 
 
'Disappoint God'
 
Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of how 
they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing tight-fitting 
clothes. 
 
Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed 
presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people to 
hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake". 
 
"Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront such 
a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint God." 
 
More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient city of 
Bam in 2003. 
 
Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a large 
number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating earthquake 
soon. 
 
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million inhabitants 
should relocate. 
 
There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom. 

http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/8631775. stm
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  








  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One can only hope that it is not like the things that
> > > > Doug/Buck expresses here. His elitism and his disdain for
> > > > "non-meditators" is as loathsome in its way as the TMO's
> > > > obvious disdain for "non-TBs." Also, as Joe points out,
> > > > I think Doug would not only say that the "goal" of any 
> > > > such initiative would not only be to encourage as many 
> > > > people to meditate as possible, but to use any means 
> > > > necessary to *force* them to meditate. whether they
> > > > want to or not.
> > > 
> > > Turq, thanks for noticing the distinction.  However you're 
> > > asserting a mighty large assumption about the supposed elitism. 
> > > Naah, anyone who can think can be spiritual.  Whether pure or 
> > > impure.  It's the science which says that everyone ought to 
> > > meditate. Should meditate. As effective spiritual practice.  
> > > That's the science.  
> > 
> > Doug, with all due respect, Curtis recently put you
> > in your place re the use of the word "science." You
> > shame the word by even uttering it, and clearly have
> > no earthly idea what it means. To you "science" means
> > "finding some plausible (to idiots) way of describing
> > me believing claptrap that doesn't make it sound like
> > claptrap." There IS no real science behind TM. Not
> > yet, anyway. You just like to pretend there is because
> > that makes it look less like you are just believing
> > fairy stories told to you by a charlatan, fairy stories
> > you have used to guide your lifestyle since the day you
> > first heard them, without ever questioning whether they
> > were true or not. You use the word "science" as a way
> > of saying, "See...look at these pretty charts...the 
> > fairy stories told to me *must* have been true...look
> > at the pretty charts...so I don't ever *have* to look
> > into the fairy stories to see if they are true."
> 
> Om dear Turq, so you're arguing two large assumptions. That 
> all the science is bad and denying people's experience. Two 
> large assumptions.  

You REALLY don't know when to STFU, do you, Doug?  :-)

First, I do *not* assume that *all* of the "TM science"
is bad or so fatally flawed as to be meaningless. Just
95% of it.

Second, I do not for a moment consider "people's exper-
ience" to fall into the realm of "science." You obviously
do. That just underscores your complete misunderstanding
of the word "science." 

> Too bad you and Curtis left so early.  

Here's the classic Doug/Buck elitism again. What a load
of self-serving, I-am-important-and-you-are-not crap.

> I'll add your names to the sankulp anyway. Peace be with you.

Oh, you mean the "sankulp" that you probably consider
"scientific?" 

Piss be on you, too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM "Science" Cycle

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>

>
> * In my impressionable youth, an Indian guy wearing a
> dress tells me that mediation is the "highest path"



Classical case of mixing identities, you meant this politician, no ?


  [Dalai lama] 
  [Dalai lama] 


6 [Dalai Lama: The Dalai Lama greets supporters in Washington] 


  [Dalai Lama: The Dalai Lama at Nova Southeastern University] 

  [Dalai Lama: The Dalai Lama delivers his annual address from exile in
India] 

[FairfieldLife] The TM "Science" Cycle

[TurquoiseB]

Here's the way it looks to me:

* In my impressionable youth, an Indian guy wearing a 
dress tells me that mediation is the "highest path" in
the universe, and that learning and practicing it every
day will make me not only a "better person," but really,
really, really SPECIAL. 

* I am so naive and so wanting to be SPECIAL that I choose 
to believe him.

* Later, to sell this same idea to more people, the Indian
guy wearing a dress talks some of his students (who have no
bias or interest in proving themselves SPECIAL, of course)
into doing shoddy research to "prove" his claims that 
meditation will make everyone a "better person" and really, 
really, really SPECIAL. 

* I read this research, look at all the pretty charts that
I don't understand, and renew my belief in what the Indian
guy wearing a dress told me. I call this process "Science."

* Later, the same Indian guy wearing a dress tells me that
not only am *I* a "better person" and really, really, really
SPECIAL because *I* practice this meditation that he sells,
I am *SO* SPECIAL that me sitting on my butt practicing it
(or bouncing on that same butt) affects the *whole world*. 
I am, in fact *SO* SPECIAL that I control the weather, 
whether there are wars or peace, and the future of the 
entire planet.

* I am so naive and so wanting to be SPECIAL that I choose 
to believe him, again.

* Later, pretty much the same completely unbiased students 
of the Indian guy wearing a dress are coerced into doing 
*more* shoddy research to "prove" this second set of claims 
true. 

* No one in the entire field of science believes this, but 
I do, because *again* I don't have to change the beliefs I
formed in my impressionable youth. Again, I call this 
process "Science."

Am I wrong about this, Doug? This is what your use of the
word "Science" looks like to me...

[FairfieldLife] Raj Patel: The Value of Nothing-the $200 Hamburger

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oagmlbhobnY&feature=player_embedded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:

 I am interested to understand why people find it difficult to accept. 
> Perhaps a bit jaw dropping at first. But after the first "really!?", why is 
> it particularly odd or difficult to digest? 
> 
> And I suppose, its a relevant questions: should a teacher be entitled to a 
> private life? Entitled to some parts of life that are of no business to 
> students or anyone else.
> 
> I never heard MMY say he was celibate. Why should he? Other than when he was 
> Bal Bramachari Mahesh.  And then he changed his name. Which is a pretty big 
> clue in itself. A practice useful for a student is not necessarily still 
> useful for an adult.


BINGO !

 
> Like many of us, he may have not have gone out of his way to correct some 
> peoples misperceptions. Actually he spent all day doing that -- 
> misperceptions about "the path". But it could have been an infinite job to 
> try to straighten people out in every area of his and their lives.

He did not work at that level. His magnanimity was boundless. If someone close 
to Him, even a Purusha, would run away with a girl for a few days He would not 
comment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > One can only hope that it is not like the things that
> > Doug/Buck expresses here. His elitism and his disdain for
> > "non-meditators" is as loathsome in its way as the TMO's
> > obvious disdain for "non-TBs." Also, as Joe points out,
> > I think Doug would not only say that the "goal" of any 
> > such initiative would not only be to encourage as many 
> > people to meditate as possible, but to use any means 
> > necessary to *force* them to meditate. whether they
> > want to or not.
> 
> Turq, thanks for noticing the distinction.  However you're 
> asserting a mighty large assumption about the supposed elitism. 
> Naah, anyone who can think can be spiritual.  Whether pure or 
> impure.  It's the science which says that everyone ought to 
> meditate. Should meditate. As effective spiritual practice.  
> That's the science.  

Doug, with all due respect, Curtis recently put you
in your place re the use of the word "science." You
shame the word by even uttering it, and clearly have
no earthly idea what it means. To you "science" means
"finding some plausible (to idiots) way of describing
me believing claptrap that doesn't make it sound like
claptrap." There IS no real science behind TM. Not
yet, anyway. You just like to pretend there is because
that makes it look less like you are just believing
fairy stories told to you by a charlatan, fairy stories
you have used to guide your lifestyle since the day you
first heard them, without ever questioning whether they
were true or not. You use the word "science" as a way
of saying, "See...look at these pretty charts...the 
fairy stories told to me *must* have been true...look
at the pretty charts...so I don't ever *have* to look
into the fairy stories to see if they are true."

> Would simply be good for everyone's benefit to facilitate human 
> brain development that way.

There is simply no evidence that this is true. The most
that can be said scientifically is that some -- very,
very few given the general population -- seem to have
found some benefit in meditation. That simply cannot be
expanded to "Everyone should meditate" except by wannabe
tyrants.

> However, I am comfortable now with Keith, Jerry, Hagelin, 
> David Lynch, Roth and them capable types figuring it out for 
> a teaching TM movement.  

I notice that you don't include *yourself* in that list
of people "responsible" to figure this out. I assume that
you wouldn't be one of the people on the front lines 
doing the teaching, possibly at your own expense, either.

Put up or shut up. If you think TM should be taught more,
GO OUT AND TEACH IT. You don't need no "rehabilitated" TM
movement to allow you to do that. You're just hiding behind
the demonization of people you blame for the TMO's demise
and the oh-so-hopeful idealization of the people you hope
will "save" it, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

I'm being tough on your because of your act here on FFL,
Doug. I'm pretty sure that some if not all of it *IS* an
act. But it's a *pussy* act, a *lazy-assed* act, and at
times an *insultingly* elitist act. I'm really tired of it.

> Certainly NOT everyone needs to be at the table, especially 
> not old has-been meditation quitters who did not go the whole 
> way nor just necessarily a bunch of god-damned mood-making 
> pencil-neck TM-TB'ers without merit neither. 

Please explain to us why YOU are not one of these "quitters,"
Doug. When was the last time YOU taught TM to anyone? When
was the last time YOU did any of the things you say the TMO
"should" be doing? I'm thinking that the hypocrite factor
around here just went up a notch or two.

> This is large work to be done that needs some delegating.  
> Godspeed to them fighting the good fight in the middle for 
> us all. 

"While I sit here in front of a computer writing elitist
bullshit to a forum of maybe 2000 people worldwide, doing
NOTHING myself."

Yeah, right.

> Jai Adi Shankara,

Jai Bullshit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > If Tm is in straits now,
> > 
> > It's not, 
> > 
> > and Judith's book rings true,
> > 
> > Who cares ?
> > 
> >  it may take a  toll on the TMO as people get really upset or at least 
> > filled with doubts.
> > 
> > They won't and why should they ?
> > Only small fish, and non-meditators like I understand you are get upset by 
> > small things.
> >
> Nabby,
> 1. I am a long-time meditator, a teacher of TM in fact

I Did'nt know that.

> 2. I have suspected for many many many years that the stuff purportedly in 
> Judith's book is true - even way before the topic was brought up here on FFL

And ? What's your point ?

> 3.  Yet I still think TM is powerful and do it and am eternally grateful to 
> Maharishi for so much

Nice. He saved this this planet from self-destruction ofcourse. 

> 4.  So, it has been a struggle to integrate, or maybe not at times, the 
> conflicting viewpoints

Where is the conflict ? Some people enjoy each others company mentally, 
physically or both, nothing wrong with that.

> 5.  The big question remains:  who really is the true believer, the devotee,  
> in all this - the person who denies things they don't want to know or refuses 
> to consider anything "negative"?

Why is sex negative ?

  or the person who tries to deal with the information they find difficult to 
accept?

 I don't have the answer to this, but I do wonder just how true believers will 
respond to some info that is not so "light."

I still don't understand your problem.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcano info

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Oh, man, you gotta see this hot lava action! Extraordinary
> video.
> 
> http://vimeo.com/channels/hd#10638288
> 
> Usually all you can hear in such videos is the helicopter's
> motor, but in this one somehow they've managed to block most
> of it out and capture the growling, whooshing, rustling,
> crackling, slurping sounds the volcano is making. The sound
> the lava makes at one point as it drips down from the crater
> is--I can't think of another word for it--delicious.

I get a shiver down my spine looking at volcanoes, it must be
that the earth usually seems so solid and predictable we 
forget about the sort of power that lies beneath our feet.

Shame no-one was around to film some of the really big eruptions
like Yellowstone park or the Deccan traps which erupted for about 30,000 years 
and covered an area half the size of India with lava,
possibly helping finish off the dinosaurs. Now *that* is a volcano!




 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Boston's Big Picture does it's usual wonderfulness.
> > > 
> > > http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/more_from_eyjafjallajokull.html
> > 
> > Wow, some amazing pics there, I feel humbled just looking at 
> > it. Imagine living there, it must help you develop a healthy 
> > sense of perspective.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Excellent source for on-the-spot updates from the
> > > > Eruption in Iceland section of the Icelandic Met
> > > > Office Web site:
> > > > 
> > > > http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/articles/nr/1884
> > > > 
> > > > Lots of links to detailed info on the ash cloud, seismic
> > > > activity, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Says there's *nothing* currently going on at either Hekla
> > > > or Katla.
> > > > 
> > > > Best video (Windows Media Player) yet, IMO, of the
> > > > eruption:
> > > > 
> > > > http://http.ruv.straumar.is/static.ruv.is/vefur/20042010_myndir_omar.wmv
> > > > 
> > > > This was taken from a helicopter around 5 this morning
> > > > Iceland time. It's high-res, looking down into the crater.
> > > > Not spectacular in terms of huge fountains of lava and
> > > > lightning, but what's fascinating is how you can see the
> > > > *mechanics* of the eruption. When an explosion takes place
> > > > lower down in the crater, you can see "pressure waves"
> > > > from it radiating up into the billows of ash. A split-second
> > > > later, you see bits and pieces of incandescent lava thrown
> > > > up by the explosion.
> > > > 
> > > > Unlike a wave in water, the pressure waves don't change
> > > > the shape or direction of the ash billows; apparently the
> > > > fact that the waves are visible at all is a phenomenon
> > > > having to do with the refractive index of the air, which
> > > > is made denser by the wave. Or something along those lines!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>