Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-15 Thread steve.sundur

 Yes, Washington University School of Medicine is one of the anchors.  I don't 
know if it is big pharma behind it, as much as bio tech start ups.  But there 
was an article yesterday about how the whole project is gaining momentum.  I 
know many of the old buildings are coming down and new ones coming up. Most of 
the businesses that relocated have stayed in the area.  Probably at least half 
in the city, and half to the county.   I think there is a mix of both good and 
bad alderman.  The funny thing about that, is that at one time there were a 
million and half residents in the city, and now there are about half that 
number, but the number of alderman has remained the same.
 

 The main bio tech incubator is right next door to our business.  That has been 
a plus for us.  We are able to provide them with some of their incidentals, and 
Wash U School of Medicine has been one of our best customers, for many years.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I was just reading a medical article in which Univ of Wash, St. Louis 
hospital was mentioned. They seems to be prominent. Anyway, maybe Big Pharma 
was behind the whole blighting so you're not talking about just one or two 
corrupt aldermen. As is said, follow the money. And I hope the businesses that 
had to move are still doing well. Glad you all got off fairly lightly.

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  wrote:
 
   It was pretty remarkable.  You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing 
tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, 
and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor.  In 
this case a bio tech corridor.  The driving force was that this area is 
sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex.  In the 
area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities.
 

 So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along 
with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the 
whole deal. 
 

 I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to 
the business owners voicing their concerns.  In the end it made no difference. 
The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty 
small, at least as far as I can see.
 

 As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the 
neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was 
not exempted.  I've decided to try to develop this property and requested  the 
powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted.  But they haven't 
replied to my e-mails.
 

 But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and 
blight any area they wish.  It can take a lot of money to fight it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad.
 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-:

 
 
 On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:
 
   Hi Share,
 

 Everything going pretty well business wise.  The neighborhood in which our 
business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization.  The city about 
10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a 
bio tech corridor.  It seems now to be bearing fruit.  In fact the spot where 
our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood 
lobbied to have it exempted.  So that has been a positive.
 

 The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been 
much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are 
building are getting ready to move out.  
 

 Today some of the cold weather is back.  Yesterday, probably like up there, 
was a beautiful day.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:
 
   

 Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really,

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-15 Thread Share Long
Steve, I was just reading a medical article in which Univ of Wash, St. Louis 
hospital was mentioned. They seems to be prominent. Anyway, maybe Big Pharma 
was behind the whole blighting so you're not talking about just one or two 
corrupt aldermen. As is said, follow the money. And I hope the businesses that 
had to move are still doing well. Glad you all got off fairly lightly.




On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
It was pretty remarkable.  You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing 
tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, 
and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor.  In 
this case a bio tech corridor.  The driving force was that this area is 
sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex.  In the 
area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities.

So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along 
with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the 
whole deal. 

I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to 
the business owners voicing their concerns.  In the end it made no difference. 
The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty 
small, at least as far as I can see.

As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the 
neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was 
not exempted.  I've decided to try to develop this property and requested  the 
powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted.  But they haven't 
replied to my e-mails.

But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and 
blight any area they wish.  It can take a lot of money to fight it.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad.
50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-:




On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:

 
Hi Share,

Everything going pretty well business wise.  The neighborhood in which our 
business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization.  The city about 
10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a 
bio tech corridor.  It seems now to be bearing fruit.  In fact the spot where 
our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood 
lobbied to have it exempted.  So that has been a positive.

The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been 
much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are 
building are getting ready
to move out.  

Today some of the cold weather is back.  Yesterday, probably like up there, was 
a beautiful day.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:

 


Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in
your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem
going on!  





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

 
And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is 
trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an 
accurate description of what Emily is doing?
Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.




Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge
checking is
good.


On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
>
You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what 

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-14 Thread steve.sundur
It was pretty remarkable.  You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing 
tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, 
and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor.  In 
this case a bio tech corridor.  The driving force was that this area is 
sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex.  In the 
area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities. 

 So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along 
with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the 
whole deal. 
 

 I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to 
the business owners voicing their concerns.  In the end it made no difference. 
The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty 
small, at least as far as I can see.
 

 As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the 
neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was 
not exempted.  I've decided to try to develop this property and requested  the 
powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted.  But they haven't 
replied to my e-mails.
 

 But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and 
blight any area they wish.  It can take a lot of money to fight it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad.
 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-:

 
 
 On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:
 
   Hi Share,
 

 Everything going pretty well business wise.  The neighborhood in which our 
business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization.  The city about 
10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a 
bio tech corridor.  It seems now to be bearing fruit.  In fact the spot where 
our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood 
lobbied to have it exempted.  So that has been a positive.
 

 The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been 
much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are 
building are getting ready to move out.  
 

 Today some of the cold weather is back.  Yesterday, probably like up there, 
was a beautiful day.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:
 
   

 Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem going on!  
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily 
is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's 
an accurate description of what Emily is doing?
 Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.
 

 

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.
 

 

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced pract

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-14 Thread Share Long
Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad.
50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-:




On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Hi Share,

Everything going pretty well business wise.  The neighborhood in which our 
business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization.  The city about 
10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a 
bio tech corridor.  It seems now to be bearing fruit.  In fact the spot where 
our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood 
lobbied to have it exempted.  So that has been a positive.

The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been 
much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are 
building are getting ready to move out.  

Today some of the cold weather is back.  Yesterday, probably like up there, was 
a beautiful day.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:

 


Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in
your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem
going on!  





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

 
And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is 
trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an 
accurate description of what Emily is doing?
Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.




Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge
checking is
good.


On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 The TMO is an organization with a certain structure

>>>You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
>>>reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
>>>supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
>>>- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
>>>already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
>>>reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
>>>In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
>>>innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
>>>so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
>>>point I think.
>>>








Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/12/2014 2:46 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
They want to derail any such conversations and get things focused on 
petty squabbling again, because that's all they can handle 
intellectually. 

>
It looks like to me you just tried to derail a perfectly good thread 
about an important TMO meeting about how to get enlightened with TMSP.


It took over three days for this thread to hit bottom. Go figure.

In a previous post you said you didn't even believe in enlightenment, 
now you want to rap about what, your own enlightenment? I'm not sure how 
much intellectual conversations I can take today at that intense level. 
I may have a brain problem situation on my hands. Maybe I'll feel better 
after I get back from doing my program.


So, until I get back to the office, maybe you should just continue the 
squabbling.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/12/2014 1:18 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumbass@...  wrote:


A computer program would be better, automatically assembling
stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then
posting them non stop.

>
You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the
past five years. Go figure.


Just in case I missed something - thanks for your reply.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 11:17 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. 

>
So, the truth finally comes out. Thanks, Share.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread steve.sundur
Hi Share, 

 Everything going pretty well business wise.  The neighborhood in which our 
business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization.  The city about 
10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a 
bio tech corridor.  It seems now to be bearing fruit.  In fact the spot where 
our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood 
lobbied to have it exempted.  So that has been a positive.
 

 The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been 
much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are 
building are getting ready to move out.  
 

 Today some of the cold weather is back.  Yesterday, probably like up there, 
was a beautiful day.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sundur@..."  
wrote:
 
   

 Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem going on!  
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily 
is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's 
an accurate description of what Emily is doing?
 Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.
 

 

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.
 

 

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.


 














 


















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread doctordumbass
Is this satire, Barry?? I have not once, in my many years on this forum, EVER 
seen you address something point for point, intellectually. I do see you 
constantly rant irrationally, and bring up the same points from your diseased 
memory, relentlessly. Perhaps you consider that the same thing? It isn't. 
Believe me, it really isn't.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good rap, Xeno. 

 

 Compare and contrast to what he's replying to, and the mindstate expressed in 
those comments. The people who live for argumentation and ego-posturing and 
"getting" their enemies do so because they're simply not *capable* of writing 
at this level and having discussions at this level. They want to derail any 
such conversations and get things focused on petty squabbling again, because 
that's all they can handle intellectually. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. 
After, doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so 
it really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called 
enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of 
enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything 
called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take 
your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is 
searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because 
if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. 
Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that 
statement then means something as well.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly 
embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the 
folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). >
 Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every 
once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; 
and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; 
and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry 
seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in 
"enlightenment" now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go 
figure.



 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread Share Long
You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store 
getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good 
time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a 
wonderful day. It's blustery here.





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  


Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem
going on!  





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

 
And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is 
trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an 
accurate description of what Emily is doing?
Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.




Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge
checking is
good.


On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
>>> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
>>> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
>>>
>>You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
>>reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
>>supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
>>- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
>>already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
>>reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
>>In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
>>innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
>>so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
>>point I think.
>>






Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-12 Thread TurquoiseBee
Good rap, Xeno. 


Compare and contrast to what he's replying to, and the mindstate expressed in 
those comments. The people who live for argumentation and ego-posturing and 
"getting" their enemies do so because they're simply not *capable* of writing 
at this level and having discussions at this level. They want to derail any 
such conversations and get things focused on petty squabbling again, because 
that's all they can handle intellectually. 




 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 


  
Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, 
doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it 
really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called 
enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of 
enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything 
called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take 
your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is 
searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because 
if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. 
Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that 
statement then means something as well.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... wrote:

It looks like Richard is attempting to
protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he
makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he
doesn't like (i.e., his critics).
>
>Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little
help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing
people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were
both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that
he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days
- he once posted that he didn't believe in "enlightenment" now he is
posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
>


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:

 A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases 
from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. >
 You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the past five 
years. Go figure.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread steve.sundur

 Share, a smile at the start of the day!  A laugh at the end of the day!  Thank 
you!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem going on!  
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily 
is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's 
an accurate description of what Emily is doing?
 Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.
 

 

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.
 

 

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.


 














 


 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
Enlightenment, known as the accurate perception of reality, does exist, and can 
be achieved, but not by the self, because that doesn't conform to the accurate 
perception of reality. The accurate perception of reality is also called waking 
up, awakening, liberation, moksha, all these different words, describing 
aspects of the same thing, subjectively, and objectively. 
It is the beginning of living, so, unlike most achievements, signaling the end 
of a process, this one *never* stops. Once the accurate perception of reality 
takes hold, there is also a infant-like recognition, of both the breadth and 
depth of what one is facing -- immense, incomprehensible, and unending.
What I heard is that UG was born enlightened, so he taught, erroneously, that 
this rare gift of his, was also immediately available to everyone else, and 
that the path, composed of sadhana, reflection and integration, was 
unnecessary. He clearly needed additional reflection before "teaching".:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, 
doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it 
really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called 
enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of 
enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything 
called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take 
your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is 
searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because 
if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. 
Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that 
statement then means something as well.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly 
embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the 
folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). >
 Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every 
once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; 
and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; 
and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry 
seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in 
"enlightenment" now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go 
figure.
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
I'm guessing a flavor somewhere between road-kill, old beer, and rotting 
sardines, with an aftertaste of bitter disappointment? 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB?
 

 In my large intestine heading for my colon.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At last, my Orca buddy!!
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.














Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 2:14 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of 
insanity, don't. 

>
Are you insane - I'm not leaving the forum until you tell me the 
levitation secret.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock 
phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them 
non stop.

>
You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the past 
five years. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB?
 

 In my large intestine heading for my colon.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At last, my Orca buddy!!
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.












Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At last, my Orca buddy!!
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.










Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At last, my Orca buddy!!
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.








Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
At last, my Orca buddy!!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.






Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
Gold Star!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you 
are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until 
morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as 
you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer 
program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your 
previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing 
anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not 
powerful enough for a human being though.
 

 I like this idea of "compacting" Bawwy. I think we could do this better still. 
How about:
 I hate you all, so there.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 [text compacted version for those of you with ADD]
 Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for 
her provocations and argue with her by "doubling down" and trying to insult and 
taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she "follows through" on her 
slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 
5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called 
her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to 
"force" her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* 
the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you 
others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same 
routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter 
into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.







 





Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/11/2014 12:28 PM, Share Long wrote:
> As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! 
 >
It is for sure some kind of brain problem situation we have on our 
hands. Share and Buck just want to talk about TM practice and exchange 
news. Why is that so difficult for others to handle? It's about a 
relaxation technique and a meeting inside a school building. Get a grip, 
People!


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you 
are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until 
morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as 
you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer 
program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your 
previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing 
anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not 
powerful enough for a human being though.
 

 I like this idea of "compacting" Bawwy. I think we could do this better still. 
How about:
 I hate you all, so there.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 [text compacted version for those of you with ADD]
 Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for 
her provocations and argue with her by "doubling down" and trying to insult and 
taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she "follows through" on her 
slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 
5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called 
her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to 
"force" her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* 
the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you 
others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same 
routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter 
into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.







 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, 
doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it 
really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called 
enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of 
enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything 
called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take 
your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is 
searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because 
if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. 
Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that 
statement then means something as well.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly 
embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the 
folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). >
 Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every 
once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; 
and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; 
and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry 
seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in 
"enlightenment" now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go 
figure.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the 
increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his 
fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics).

>
Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help 
every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he 
doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military 
brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want 
to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted 
that he didn't believe in "enlightenment" now he is posting that he does 
believe in enlightenment. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The problem here is Barry addressed it to the rest of us, not to you. I think 
it is close to his bedtime, so he probably just wanted to write some fluffy, 
warm prose so he could retire comfortably after a day well done. I bet he does 
not waste a thought on you after he presses 'Send'.
 

 That's all Bawwy does - waste time - his and ours. Glad you enjoy him - it 
must be your enlightenment talking.
 

  As a writer with a keyboard, one has to keep the fingers limber doing 
exercises from time to time.
 

 Yea that and clicking the channel changer ad infinitum.
 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too.
 

 You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him.
 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 11:17 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Richard, talking about himself - the man who demonstrates through his 
posts a stream of self-talk 24/7, per his own words.

>
Thanks, that's what I do best. Somebody has to do the heavy lifting 
around here. Go figure.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

> I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of
> satisfaction of a job well done?
>

Who says they "log off?"

Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream
about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell
something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM
and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and
you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and
frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing,
even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post
within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they
probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people
work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry
are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every
post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you
wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual
program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done.
Go figure.




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 11:10 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:


Hmmm, who said I was trying to learn TM?  I never said I had any 
prejudices against MMY; in fact, I don't.  I just said "the power of 
his enlightened persona" (which I have gathered was quite powerful) 
does not translate for me through the videos.  I think Share is too 
scared to answer my question, honestly. I am sorry she is so scared of 
me.  I'm not that person.  I am curious as to what her reasoning is 
behind what *she* said. You think they double checked the dome badges 
to make sure no one there might be trying to confuse themselves?



<
I think I just answered the question for Share. They don't want anyone 
in there that might be interested in the TMSP who hasn't learned it yet, 
because they might get confused. That's why they have a three night 
lecture before you learn basic TM. It's so simple that people make it 
complicated if they don't get on the program. Most of the time, when 
people try to learn about TM on the internet, they get confused. Some 
people, like MJ, seem to get confused after they learn TM. Sometimes 
people get so confused they do dumb things, like go to discredited 
people like John Knapp for cult recovery therapy. Go figure.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@...  wrote:

> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his
> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me.
> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
>

You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by
reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are
supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about
- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably
already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after
reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM.
In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice
innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but
so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the
point I think.




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. 

 

 Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
The problem here is Barry addressed it to the rest of us, not to you. I think 
it is close to his bedtime, so he probably just wanted to write some fluffy, 
warm prose so he could retire comfortably after a day well done. I bet he does 
not waste a thought on you after he presses 'Send'. As a writer with a 
keyboard, one has to keep the fingers limber doing exercises from time to time. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has 
completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and 
more elaborate. 

 He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just 
dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now.
 

 

 

 

 Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my "How to deal with 
confrontation junkies" post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting 
to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by "doubling 
down" and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. 
 
In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her "Argue 
with me...PLEASE!" act. Share seems to have "wised up" and doesn't fall for it, 
and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own 
behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If 
she "follows through" on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step 
will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to 
mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the 
argumentation today) to try to "force" her (or us) into replying in the form 
Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I 
described earlier. 

DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that 
sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to 
fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she 
lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, 
don't allow her to keep running this same tired, 
angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it 
routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to 
suck people into endless arguments in which she can "prove" (in her twisted 
mind, at least) that she is superior to them. 

If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine 
endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and 
perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If 
you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I 
suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the 
desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in 
the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would 
consider sane, or worth arguing about. 

Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. 

And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers 
was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, 
just follow my advice. 

But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling 
she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself 
to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this 
forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. 

 From: "authfriend@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   OK, Share, let's see these "indications." Put up or shut up. (She won't put 
up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up 
either. Such integrity. So saintly. So "nicey-nice.")
 

 In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, 
which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about 
other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of 
course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think 
Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't 
going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this 
bafflegabbing attack on me.
 

 With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming 
you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a "tragic" figure. I 
doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both 
of which significantly 

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden.  9:20 pm.  Barry, maybe an evening 
walk, or an early night with lots of sleep.  Maybe leave the bier alone and try 
a cup of chamomile tea.  I'll pray for you.  Smile.

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you 
are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until 
morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as 
you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer 
program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your 
previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing 
anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not 
powerful enough for a human being though. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 [text compacted version for those of you with ADD]
 Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for 
her provocations and argue with her by "doubling down" and trying to insult and 
taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she "follows through" on her 
slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 
5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called 
her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to 
"force" her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* 
the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you 
others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same 
routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter 
into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.









Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Barry, I suggest that you relax a little and recognize that your perceptions 
are sounding paranoid.  Are you feeling angry today?  Is it a nice day in 
Leiden?  Do those dogs need a walk?  Maybe a little music will help today.  
Classical might be good choice for you today.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has 
completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and 
more elaborate. 

 He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just 
dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now.
 

 

 

 

 Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my "How to deal with 
confrontation junkies" post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting 
to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by "doubling 
down" and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. 
 
In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her "Argue 
with me...PLEASE!" act. Share seems to have "wised up" and doesn't fall for it, 
and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own 
behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If 
she "follows through" on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step 
will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to 
mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the 
argumentation today) to try to "force" her (or us) into replying in the form 
Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I 
described earlier. 

DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that 
sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to 
fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she 
lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, 
don't allow her to keep running this same tired, 
angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it 
routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to 
suck people into endless arguments in which she can "prove" (in her twisted 
mind, at least) that she is superior to them. 

If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine 
endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and 
perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If 
you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I 
suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the 
desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in 
the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would 
consider sane, or worth arguing about. 

Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. 

And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers 
was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, 
just follow my advice. 

But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling 
she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself 
to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this 
forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. 

 From: "authfriend@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   OK, Share, let's see these "indications." Put up or shut up. (She won't put 
up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up 
either. Such integrity. So saintly. So "nicey-nice.")
 

 In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, 
which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about 
other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of 
course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think 
Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't 
going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this 
bafflegabbing attack on me.
 

 With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming 
you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a "tragic" figure. I 
doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both 
of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he 
did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has 
completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and 
more elaborate. 

 He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just 
dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now.
 

 

 

 

 Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my "How to deal with 
confrontation junkies" post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting 
to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by "doubling 
down" and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. 
 
In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her "Argue 
with me...PLEASE!" act. Share seems to have "wised up" and doesn't fall for it, 
and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own 
behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If 
she "follows through" on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step 
will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to 
mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the 
argumentation today) to try to "force" her (or us) into replying in the form 
Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I 
described earlier. 

DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that 
sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to 
fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she 
lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, 
don't allow her to keep running this same tired, 
angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it 
routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to 
suck people into endless arguments in which she can "prove" (in her twisted 
mind, at least) that she is superior to them. 

If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine 
endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and 
perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If 
you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I 
suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the 
desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in 
the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would 
consider sane, or worth arguing about. 

Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. 

And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers 
was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, 
just follow my advice. 

But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling 
she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself 
to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this 
forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. 

 From: "authfriend@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   OK, Share, let's see these "indications." Put up or shut up. (She won't put 
up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up 
either. Such integrity. So saintly. So "nicey-nice.")
 

 In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, 
which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about 
other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of 
course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think 
Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't 
going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this 
bafflegabbing attack on me.
 

 With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming 
you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a "tragic" figure. I 
doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both 
of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he 
did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong.
 

 (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, 
whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made 
that clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found 
Buck more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.)
 

 Emily is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread TurquoiseBee
Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my "How to deal with 
confrontation junkies" post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting 
to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by "doubling 
down" and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. 

In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her "Argue 
with me...PLEASE!" act. Share seems to have "wised up" and doesn't fall for it, 
and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own 
behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If 
she "follows through" on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step 
will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to 
mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the 
argumentation today) to try to "force" her (or us) into replying in the form 
Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I 
described earlier. 

DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that 
sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to 
fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she 
lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, 
don't allow her to keep running this same tired, 
angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it 
routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to 
suck people into endless arguments in which she can "prove" (in her twisted 
mind, at least) that she is superior to them. 

If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine 
endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and 
perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If 
you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I 
suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the 
desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in 
the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would 
consider sane, or worth arguing about. 

Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. 

And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers 
was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, 
just follow my advice. 

But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling 
she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself 
to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this 
forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. 



________
 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 


  
OK, Share, let's see these "indications." Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, 
because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. 
Such integrity. So saintly. So "nicey-nice.")

In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, 
which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about 
other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of 
course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think 
Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't 
going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this 
bafflegabbing attack on me.

With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming 
you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a "tragic" figure. I 
doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both 
of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he 
did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong.

(And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas 
Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made that 
clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found Buck 
more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.)

Emily is so right in everything she says about you, Share. You are the least 
straightforward, least authentic person I've ever encountered. Emily doesn't 
say this, but I will: You are a deeply, deeply dishonest, morally corrupt 
individual and not who you pretend to be. And I will continue to make an issue 
of it,

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
You may be jumping to a hasty conclusion - I have always thought that writing 
succinctly was an admirable goal. Yet, Barry amazes me, in that he can take a 
half-baked thought, mix in a delusion or three, and write volumes about it, 
over and over again. I don't know where this particular skill would come in 
handy, in the real world, but he has it down, and contributes his literary 
largesse, here, *frequently*.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Says Barry, demonstrating that he has nothing to contribute.
 

 Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode.  
What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
OK, Share, let's see these "indications." Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, 
because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. 
Such integrity. So saintly. So "nicey-nice.")
 

 In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, 
which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about 
other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of 
course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think 
Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't 
going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this 
bafflegabbing attack on me.
 

 With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming 
you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a "tragic" figure. I 
doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both 
of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he 
did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong.
 

 (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, 
whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made 
that clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found 
Buck more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.)
 

 Emily is so right in everything she says about you, Share. You are the least 
straightforward, least authentic person I've ever encountered. Emily doesn't 
say this, but I will: You are a deeply, deeply dishonest, morally corrupt 
individual and not who you pretend to be. And I will continue to make an issue 
of it, so learn to live with it.
 

 

 Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

 
And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem going on!  
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily 
is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's 
an accurate description of what Emily is doing?
 Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.
 

 

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.
 

 

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.


 














 


 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Thank you Share.  I retain my innocence of all things TM in letting this go. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good. 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:02 AM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
 
   On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.


 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Share Long
Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and 
accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are 
far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. 

And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my 
admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and 
muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something 
Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. 

Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and 
Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you 
got a brain problem going on!  





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is 
trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an 
accurate description of what Emily is doing?
Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends.




Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.


On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
>> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
>> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
>>
>You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
>reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
>supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
>- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
>already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
>reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
>In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
>innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
>so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
>point I think.
>




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is 
trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an 
accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your 
admiration of Richard extends.
 

 

 Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good.
 

 

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.


 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly 
embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the 
folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). 

 Salyavin is between a rock and a hard place. He can speak up and confirm that 
Barry goofed badly, or he can keep quiet and allow folks to think Barry 
considers him (and Michael) "completely and totally petty" and "obsessed...with 
meaningless shit." There isn't anything Richard can do about that.
 

 

 

 Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, "they" were me, 
Salyavin, and Michael.
 

 Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry.
 

 

 It looks like you are attempting to control and force Sal to do something that 
is really petty and unimportant to a chat forum, so you can argue and obsess 
about unimportant meaningless shit. Judy is a nitpicker. That's what I think. 
 
 
 It's a control issue. And theelement of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it.












 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Share Long
Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge 
checking is good. 




On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:02 AM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
 
  
On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
>
You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
point I think.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 8:36 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

 All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of what would happen if 
he actually had to interact. >
 You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see how 
terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response with 
someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a radical 
misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's what I think. 
 It's good to know that all is right and well in the karmic scheme of things, 
pundit sir. As usual you are a wealth of good sense and truth. Keep up the good 
work.
 
 "Fuck you Curtis.
 
 I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me.
 The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their
 memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones.
 
 You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his "how dare you?"
 
 Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus.
 
 Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with
 "how dare you."
 
 My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to
 shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people
 who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of
 times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck
 you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts
 of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead
 into this discussion for such a low purpose!
 
 Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil.
 
 Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for
 president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and
 cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that
 requires you to "explain yourself" about abortion, war, GlobalBiz,
 genocide, etc.
 
 For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay
 which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our
 faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist.
 
 Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality,
 what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your
 brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only
 hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a
 keyboardist and "off the streets."
 
 Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above
 excoriations."
 
 Edg
 
 Duveyoung 
 Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am
 Dick Cheney Meditating
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot

 Richard, talking about himself - the man who demonstrates through his posts a 
stream of self-talk 24/7, per his own words.  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 > I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of 
 > satisfaction of a job well done?
 >
 Who says they "log off?"
 
 Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream 
 about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell 
 something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM 
 and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and 
 you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and 
 frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing, 
 even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post 
 within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they 
 probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people 
 work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry 
 are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every 
 post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you 
 wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual 
 program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done. 
 Go figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Hmmm, who said I was trying to learn TM?  I never said I had any prejudices 
against MMY; in fact, I don't.  I just said "the power of his enlightened 
persona" (which I have gathered was quite powerful) does not translate for me 
through the videos.  I think Share is too scared to answer my question, 
honestly. I am sorry she is so scared of me.  I'm not that person.  I am 
curious as to what her reasoning is behind what *she* said. You think they 
double checked the dome badges to make sure no one there might be trying to 
confuse themselves?   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
 > enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
 > The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
 You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
 reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
 supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
 - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
 already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
 reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
 In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
 innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
 so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
 point I think.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his 
> enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. 
> The TMO is an organization with a certain structure
 >
You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by 
reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are 
supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about 
- you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably 
already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after 
reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. 
In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice 
innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but 
so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the 
point I think.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 2:17 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a 
mental hospital these days.

>
Maybe Barry should apply for residency - he's been reading Judy's posts 
at least since 1996. Obviously Barry is very disturbed by some others 
being on this forum. So, how many years can you visit a mental 
institution without becoming a resident by default, unless you are a 
doctor or a social worker of some kind? Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Share, can you answer my questions about what you wrote?  Or, have I so annoyed 
you that you must insist  on dismissing me.  I really am curious.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Xeno, what was hush hush about it?! When the first sidhas came back to FF in 
76 or whenever it was, they held meetings about it and I remember Jon Shear 
talking about his experiences.

As for the cost, I got much of mine free because I had worked on staff. For 
less than a year!
 

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:28 AM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
   Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it 
slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very 
secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else 
in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost 
of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of 
checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. 
I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to 
have any effect.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each 
other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, 
before there were Domes for group program. 

 Share, can you explain this to me?  Or, someone else?  Why is it a good idea 
to do this?  What is the purpose?  To police each other?  Don't you know who is 
badged and who isn't?  Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it 
just a ritual of saying "hello" to one's friends?   
 
 












 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
> I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of 
> satisfaction of a job well done?
 >
Who says they "log off?"

Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream 
about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell 
something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM 
and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and 
you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and 
frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing, 
even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post 
within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they 
probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people 
work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry 
are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every 
post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you 
wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual 
program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done. 
Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Thanks Xeno.  I was asking out of innocent curiosity just to understand, not to 
"put a burr" on Share, whatever that means. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it 
slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very 
secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else 
in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost 
of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of 
checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. 
I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to 
have any effect.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each 
other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, 
before there were Domes for group program. 

 Share, can you explain this to me?  Or, someone else?  Why is it a good idea 
to do this?  What is the purpose?  To police each other?  Don't you know who is 
badged and who isn't?  Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it 
just a ritual of saying "hello" to one's friends?   
 
 











 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Share Long
Xeno, what was hush hush about it?! When the first sidhas came back to FF in 76 
or whenever it was, they held meetings about it and I remember Jon Shear 
talking about his experiences.

As for the cost, I got much of mine free because I had worked on staff. For 
less than a year!






On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:28 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it 
slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very 
secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else 
in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost 
of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of 
checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. 
I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to 
have any effect.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each 
other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, 
before there were Domes for group program.

Share, can you explain this to me?  Or, someone else?  Why is it a good idea to 
do this?  What is the purpose?  To police each other?  Don't you know who is 
badged and who isn't?  Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it 
just a ritual of saying "hello" to one's friends?   





Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot

 Richard, why do you make this stuff up?  None of this happened.  For the 
record, I have absolutely nothing against TM. Nothing.  I haven't done it, I 
have no basis to judge it or its efficacy, etc. I have tried to listen to MMY 
videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate 
through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain 
structure - nothing wrong with asking questions about it.  I ask questions 
about what I am curious about, for example, what Share said that I just asked 
her about.  Do you know the answer to my queries?  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 10:15 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > My bad, I found the statement. I was confused reading all the 
 > subsequent stuff that really *didn't* make any sense. 
 >
 It looks to me like Judy and MJ are trying to confuse Emily by 
 deliberately posting false statements about MMY and the TMO and TM 
 practice. Now, why would Judy and MJ want to confuse Emily - she's not 
 even a TMer. Why can't MJ and Judy just be truthful about basic TM? Go 
 figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it 
slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very 
secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else 
in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost 
of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of 
checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. 
I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to 
have any effect.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each 
other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, 
before there were Domes for group program. 

 Share, can you explain this to me?  Or, someone else?  Why is it a good idea 
to do this?  What is the purpose?  To police each other?  Don't you know who is 
badged and who isn't?  Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it 
just a ritual of saying "hello" to one's friends?   
 
 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Share Long
Xeno, if you can remember the details of what was said in the TM intro, then I 
take my hat off to you. Mine was 39 years ago. I remember the bubble diagram.

Twice a year there are TMSP courses in Fairfield. I'm guessing that meetings 
are held beforehand to teach people a little about it. But not enough to spoil 
their innocence with the practice.

What I absolutely love after all these decades of doing TMSP, is that I 
thoroughly enjoy all the paradoxes that life is, like silence along with 
activity. It's a great gift and I feel fortunate and grateful. 





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:54 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Share, anyone interested in the TM-Sidhi programme would likely want to know 
anything they could find out about it. Everyone on the path of enlightenment is 
confused anyway; it doesn't matter so much if there is some information you do 
not understand, because there are always things one does not understand, and 
when we realise that, we try to find out, that is how we all got into this 
stuff. Even a detailed description of the mechanics of a technique does not 
necessarily result in knowing how to pull it off oneself. What about the 
descriptions of how TM works given in intro and prep lectures to those who are 
at the time NON-meditators?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or 
sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and 
since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own 
meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP.

As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy 
badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to 
check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to 
do that, before there were Domes for group program.

I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-:





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 
On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
>> Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to 
>> learn the higher level techniques.
>>
>So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers 
>and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with 
>Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't 
>remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
>




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread emilymaenot
Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each 
other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, 
before there were Domes for group program. 

 Share, can you explain this to me?  Or, someone else?  Why is it a good idea 
to do this?  What is the purpose?  To police each other?  Don't you know who is 
badged and who isn't?  Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it 
just a ritual of saying "hello" to one's friends?   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or 
sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and 
since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own 
meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP.

As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy 
badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to 
check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to 
do that, before there were Domes for group program.

I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-:
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams  wrote:
 
   On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to 
 > learn the higher level techniques.
 >
 So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers 
 and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with 
 Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't 
 remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 7:24 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:


Judy's motto: "Get your mean out!"


>
You can pretty much tell who has done their morning meditation, Steve, 
by reading what's on their mind in the early morning. Go figure.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Share watchers and CORRECTORS.




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 8:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, "they" were 
me, Salyavin, and Michael.



Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry.

>
It looks like you are attempting to control and force Sal to do 
something that is really petty and unimportant to a chat forum, so you 
can argue and obsess about unimportant meaningless shit. Judy is a 
nitpicker. That's what I think.





It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and 
totally petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the 
way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily 
on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can 
better argue about it.




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Edg sure had Curtis's number. Bravo, Edg. I'd forgotten that post. 

 

 You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see how 
terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response with 
someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a radical 
misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's what I think. 
 "Fuck you Curtis.
 
 I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me.
 The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their
 memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones.
 
 You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his "how dare you?"
 
 Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus.
 
 Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with
 "how dare you."
 
 My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to
 shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people
 who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of
 times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck
 you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts
 of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead
 into this discussion for such a low purpose!
 
 Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil.
 
 Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for
 president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and
 cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that
 requires you to "explain yourself" about abortion, war, GlobalBiz,
 genocide, etc.
 
 For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay
 which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our
 faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist.
 
 Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality,
 what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your
 brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only
 hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a
 keyboardist and "off the streets."
 
 Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above
 excoriations."
 
 Edg
 
 Duveyoung 
 Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am
 Dick Cheney Meditating
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
Share, anyone interested in the TM-Sidhi programme would likely want to know 
anything they could find out about it. Everyone on the path of enlightenment is 
confused anyway; it doesn't matter so much if there is some information you do 
not understand, because there are always things one does not understand, and 
when we realise that, we try to find out, that is how we all got into this 
stuff. Even a detailed description of the mechanics of a technique does not 
necessarily result in knowing how to pull it off oneself. What about the 
descriptions of how TM works given in intro and prep lectures to those who are 
at the time NON-meditators? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or 
sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and 
since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own 
meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP.

As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy 
badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to 
check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to 
do that, before there were Domes for group program.

I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-:
 

 
 
 On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams  wrote:
 
   On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote:
 > Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to 
 > learn the higher level techniques.
 >
 So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers 
 and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with 
 Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't 
 remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.


 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Sez Xeno, expertly demonstrating the pattern of those who find me threatening 
(and who found Robin threatening). 

 

 This does seem to be her pattern. As for the mechanics of consciousness, I am 
not sure there are any. The mechanics are what you do to attempt to find out 
about consciousness, and if they work out, then you come to a certain 
realisation about it, and that is that. I have found just about everyone on 
this forum has been at one time or another been helpful for understanding the 
spiritual rap except Judy and Robin. Judy is sometimes helpful as a fact 
checker, but I think she often misuses that information to continue 
argumentation. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one exchange 
of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says. >
 It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like and 
anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and I'm not the 
first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum for being 
antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being hateful at times. Judy 
is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy sucks at helping people 
understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's what I think.
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 8:36 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
*All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of what would 
happen if he actually had to interact.*

>
You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see 
how terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response 
with someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a 
radical misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's 
what I think.


"Fuck you Curtis.

I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me.
The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their
memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones.

You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his "how dare you?"

Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus.

Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with
"how dare you."

My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to
shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people
who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of
times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck
you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts
of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead
into this discussion for such a low purpose!

Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil.

Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for
president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and
cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that
requires you to "explain yourself" about abortion, war, GlobalBiz,
genocide, etc.

For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay
which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our
faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist.

Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality,
what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your
brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only
hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a
keyboardist and "off the streets."

Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above
excoriations."

Edg

Duveyoung
Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am
Dick Cheney Meditating
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread anartaxius
This does seem to be her pattern. As for the mechanics of consciousness, I am 
not sure there are any. The mechanics are what you do to attempt to find out 
about consciousness, and if they work out, then you come to a certain 
realisation about it, and that is that. I have found just about everyone on 
this forum has been at one time or another been helpful for understanding the 
spiritual rap except Judy and Robin. Judy is sometimes helpful as a fact 
checker, but I think she often misuses that information to continue 
argumentation.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one exchange 
of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says. >
 It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like and 
anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and I'm not the 
first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum for being 
antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being hateful at times. Judy 
is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy sucks at helping people 
understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's what I think.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Share Long
Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or 
sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and 
since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own 
meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP.

As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy 
badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to 
check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to 
do that, before there were Domes for group program.

I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-:





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
 
  
On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to 
> learn the higher level techniques.
>
So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers 
and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with 
Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't 
remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/11/2014 8:55 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
What he'll never tell you is that he /used/ to argue, frequently, 
enthusiastically, and at length.

>
Translation: "I don't like Barry because he talks back to me and refuses 
to accept my leadership on this forum and because he makes fun of me."


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one 
exchange of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says.

>
It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like 
and anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and 
I'm not the first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum 
for being antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being 
hateful at times. Judy is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy 
sucks at helping people understand the mechanics of consciousness. 
That's what I think.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
(guffaw) 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 9:44 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously 
the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because 
he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. >
 Translation: "I don't like you, Share, because you make me JELLOS, and because 
you like Richard and Barry. I hate you Share!"
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 10:15 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My bad, I found the statement.  I was confused reading all the 
> subsequent stuff that really *didn't* make any sense. 
 >
It looks to me like Judy and MJ are trying to confuse Emily by 
deliberately posting false statements about MMY and the TMO and TM 
practice. Now, why would Judy and MJ want to confuse Emily - she's not 
even a TMer. Why can't MJ and Judy just be truthful about basic TM? Go 
figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 3/10/2014 9:44 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and 
obviously the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over 
yours any day because he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas 
you're a Bevan cultist.

>
Translation: "I don't like you, Share, because you make me JELLOS, and 
because you like Richard and Barry. I hate you Share!"


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to 
> learn the higher level techniques.
 >
So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers 
and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with 
Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't 
remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
What he'll never tell you is that he used to argue, frequently, 
enthusiastically, and at length. 

 Trouble was, he was incompetent at it. His arguments had the same gross 
deficiencies his solo rants do today: illogical, factually inaccurate, lazy, 
sloppy thinking, painfully shallow--and these deficiencies were repeatedly 
pointed out by those he tried to argue with. He became a constant embarrassment 
to himself.
 

 Finally it dawned on him that he'd be better off not arguing at all. And to 
cover his tail, he invented the "Don't give a shit" and "Just my opinion" 
mantras and the whole silly story about how arguing, and those who argue, are 
"low vibe." He hides behind them to this day.
 

 

 I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, "I was 
too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there." LOL - you sure 
ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. 
 
Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten 
years* how, you don't give a shit -  That is an awfully long time to be 
proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your 
mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are 
something that you are not?
 

 

 

 What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been 
doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they "log off" at 
the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones: 
 I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET
SO THERE


 

 It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something 
vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. 
I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they 
get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a 
sort of "You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you 
to publicly say something you don't believe" It seems to make people feel 
better. Go figure.

It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that 
they "forced" Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. 

Don't any of these people have LIVES?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 > 
   > Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.



Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 













 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, "I was 
too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there." LOL - you sure 
ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. 

Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten 
years* how, you don't give a shit -  That is an awfully long time to be 
proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your 
mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are 
something that you are not? 
 

 The prime example of this was him embarrassing "response" to Edg the other 
day. Talk about a guy (Bawwy) who is terrified of actually engaging in a 
discussion and metaphorically runs for the hills when there is an opportunity 
to say anything meaningful after having spit in the face of those who bother to 
try and engage him. All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of 
what would happen if he actually had to interact. He never does, he simply 
prescribes and postures and insults. That's it. That's Bawwy - a really sad old 
fart.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they 
log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done?

What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been 
doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they "log off" at 
the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones:

 I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET
SO THERE


 

 It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something 
vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. 
I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they 
get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a 
sort of "You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you 
to publicly say something you don't believe" It seems to make people feel 
better. Go figure.

It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that 
they "forced" Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. 

Don't any of these people have LIVES?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 > 
   > Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.



Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 













 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 > 
   > Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.



Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 


 
You said it pea brain.









Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, "they" were me, 
Salyavin, and Michael. 

 Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry.
 

 It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it.











 


Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread authfriend
Says Barry, demonstrating that he has nothing to contribute.
 

 Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode.  
What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread steve.sundur
Judy's motto: 
"Get your mean out!"
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share watchers and CORRECTORS.
 

 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:03 PM, mailto:steve.sundur@...> 
wrote:
   Share, you must find this amusing at this point.  My God, a slow day at FFL 
brings out the craziness.  
 

 You've heard of Kremlin watchers, or Fed watchers.  Looks to me like we've got 
Share watchers.
 

 Dissecting every word you say.  
 

 A "Bevan cultist".  Go figure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote : 

 Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described.
 

Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the 
two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he 
has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. 

 
 
 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators. 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 
 
 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"
 
 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 
 
 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 
 
 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:

   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as th

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, "I was 
too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there." LOL - you sure 
ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. 

Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten 
years* how, you don't give a shit -  That is an awfully long time to be 
proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your 
mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are 
something that you are not? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 
   It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they 
log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done?

What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been 
doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they "log off" at 
the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones:

 I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET
SO THERE


 

 It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something 
vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. 
I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they 
get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a 
sort of "You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you 
to publicly say something you don't believe" It seems to make people feel 
better. Go figure.

It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that 
they "forced" Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. 

Don't any of these people have LIVES?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 > 
   > Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.



Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 













 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread doctordumbass
I'd be embarrassed, too, if I was always crowing about being such an 
Independent Person, and all I did was sit around, when I wasn't out drinking, 
and watch stolen TV shows. "Blows Against the Empire", eh?
Sincerely,
Doctor Dumbass

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread TurquoiseBee


From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 


  
It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log 
off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done?

What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been 
doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they "log off" at 
the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones:


I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET
SO THERE


It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something 
vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. 
I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they 
get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a 
sort of "You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you 
to publicly say something you don't believe" It seems to make people feel 
better. Go figure.

It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally 
petty, such as feeling that they "forced" Nabby to post the way that *they* 
want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said 
on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that 
they "forced" Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. 

Don't any of these people have LIVES?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

> 

 
> Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.
>
>
>Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
>hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling 
>dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to 
>start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately 
>to suck them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to
contribute?






Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread salyavin808

 It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log 
off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done?
 

 It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something 
vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. 
I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they 
get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a 
sort of "You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you 
to publicly say something you don't believe" It seems to make people feel 
better. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
 > 
   > Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.



Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?

 


 


 










Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread TurquoiseBee


From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
 
> 

  
> Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital.


Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental 
hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies 
down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it 
all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck 
them back into "confrontation" mode. 

What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, 
Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on 
them, and actually produces a "payoff." 

I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, 
rather than trying to  start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that 
you have nothing to contribute?




Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-11 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 4:18 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 > gushing gonna make you a superman kind of PR the Movement promotes 
 > them as being
 >
 You're not even making any sense anymore. TM is just a relaxation 
 technique - the rest is up to you. 
 

 So you never read the Science of Being, or heard any of Marshy's lectures, or 
hung around with the movement generally? Go figure.
 

 Let's be logical: who would you believe?
 
 A very small group of people standing on the corner who said no big blue 
 bus went by.
 
 Or,
 
 Another, much larger group of people, standing on the same corner, who 
 all said that a big blue bus just drive by.
 

 Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. I think you 
need some time out to get straight in your mind what it is you actually think 
about anything
 
 Go figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread doctordumbass
Bless You!
 Anarchy takes many forms:
"We are all outlaws, in the eyes of America" - Paul Kantner of The Jefferson 
Airplane, 1969
 "I just stole another video on-line" - Barry, 2014

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL - Barry was on the ramparts of the revolution when he was at IBM.
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 1:00 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 TOADY. Always has been, always will be. >
 There's no way Bevan Morris, an Oxford graduate and President of a university, 
could ever hold a candle to all your accomplishments, Barry. Go figure.
 







Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread Pundit Sir
Share watchers and CORRECTORS.


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:03 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> Share, you must find this amusing at this point.  My God, a slow day at
> FFL brings out the craziness.
>
> You've heard of Kremlin watchers, or Fed watchers.  Looks to me like we've
> got Share watchers.
>
> Dissecting every word you say.
>
> A "Bevan cultist".  Go figure.
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
> Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described.
>
> Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and
> obviously the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours
> any day because he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a
> Bevan cultist.
>
>
> Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went
> into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be
> helpful for meditators.
>
>
>
>  On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..." 
> wrote:
>
> Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see
> below), "Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a
> public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone
> listening and informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The
> money issue was a minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share
> responds to any kind of challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of
> complete meaninglessness within a comment or two"--is right on target. She
> had also just done it in regard to Buck's comment about Bevan being "a
> tragic figure."
>
> We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily.
> Emily's point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly
> apropos in this context.
>
>
> Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement
> implying that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct
> comment, pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to
> your idea. The point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there
> has learned the TM sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know
> what the lecture was all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which
> might make it less easy for them to get it right when and if they decide to
> learn. It's very simple. Since you are not in the movement and never have
> been, you don't really have a clue what you are talking about. In contrast,
> Share is, and does.
>
>
> Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with
> me.  It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at
> your ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we
> might have to a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two;
> I find it masterful in its own way.
>
>
> Emily, the lecture was free.
>
>
> These are the key points to me:
> *"But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered
> in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to
> anyone listening and informative at any level."*
>
>
> *"Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement
> down"*
>
> *The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is
> just odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if
> non-badge people attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone
> and when the lecture is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?*
>
> *Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably
> paid for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you
> move.*
>
>
> Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy
> checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals
> were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check.
> It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each
> other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia.
>
>
>
>  On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..." 
> wrote:
>
> *He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten
> 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes
> and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to
> do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have
> been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he
> gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with
> him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not
> have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful
> about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Of course
> if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the
> Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had
> come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was
> certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten.

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread steve.sundur
Share, you must find this amusing at this point.  My God, a slow day at FFL 
brings out the craziness.   

 You've heard of Kremlin watchers, or Fed watchers.  Looks to me like we've got 
Share watchers.
 

 Dissecting every word you say.  
 

 A "Bevan cultist".  Go figure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described.
 

Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the 
two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he 
has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. 

 

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators. 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL - Barry was on the ramparts of the revolution when he was at IBM.
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 1:00 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 TOADY. Always has been, always will be. >
 There's no way Bevan Morris, an Oxford graduate and President of a university, 
could ever hold a candle to all your accomplishments, Barry. Go figure.
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot
Share you never said that  "Buck was wrong about that" in the first place so 
the "still say" makes no sense at all.  Or, correct me.  Otherwise, have a good 
evening.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described.
 

Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the 
two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he 
has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. 

 

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators. 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread authfriend
You weren't there, Feste. Of course you'll side with whatever Share says, but 
Buck is a lot more credible as far as I'm concerned. The main point is that 
there are different opinions as to whether this particular talk was or was not 
analogous to your college course analogy, or whether the badge requirement was, 
in fact, exclusionary and elitist. 

 

 Another way of looking at this is to think of a college course. If you are not 
enrolled in the course, don't expect to be allowed to go to the lecture. It's 
also common in colleges to have prerequisites: in order to take x, you must 
first take y. So it seems quite legitimate in this MUM context that those 
without badges should be excluded. The hadn't fulfilled the prerequisites. To 
talk of an "elitist" and "exclusionary" group in this context is 
ridiculous--clueless in the extreme.
 

 

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators.
 

 

 

 Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure." 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back 

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread doctordumbass
LOL - Barry was on the ramparts of the revolution when he was at IBM.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 3/10/2014 1:00 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 TOADY. Always has been, always will be. >
 There's no way Bevan Morris, an Oxford graduate and President of a university, 
could ever hold a candle to all your accomplishments, Barry. Go figure.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread authfriend
Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described.
 

Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the 
two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he 
has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. 

 

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators. 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some 
large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some 
few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so 
b

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot
Okay, I'll give you that.  My point on that was an extension of Buck's comment 
mostly, and given that comment, how funny I thought the level of effort to 
*make sure* that no one "snuck into a higher level lecture," if you will.  
Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the 
higher level techniques.  As is, *elitist* was a judgmental word, but certainly 
*exclusionary* is what it is, for whatever reason.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Another way of looking at this is to think of a college course. If you are not 
enrolled in the course, don't expect to be allowed to go to the lecture. It's 
also common in colleges to have prerequisites: in order to take x, you must 
first take y. So it seems quite legitimate in this MUM context that those 
without badges should be excluded. The hadn't fulfilled the prerequisites. To 
talk of an "elitist" and "exclusionary" group in this context is 
ridiculous--clueless in the extreme. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to mee

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot
No, no, none of this is right.  I was pointing out two things:  

 1) Buck's comment that the lecture would have been appropriate for the general 
meditating community, as such was not geared to those who only have special 
knowledge.  Not my comment, Buck's comment. Read my first key point.  "But all 
that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public 
lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening 
and informative at any level."
 

 2) I was making a second point that Buck's thought on why Bevan was a tragic 
figure (i,e, ridden the movement down.) speaks also, to the tragedy of 
overseeing and creating an "elitist" and "exclusionary" spiritual organization, 
as demonstrated sadly by the great need to "check twice" to make sure that only 
badged meditators attend this great session of knowledge that Buck saw as 
insightful to all at any level.  
 

 As an aside, to level the playing field and drum up a little extra cash, I 
suggested that perhaps they just open up the lecture for sale to all and when 
the venue was full, the venue was full.  
 

 The fact that the lecture was free to a select group had no bearing on either 
of these points, except to further the idea of this as an "exclusionary" event, 
which it was and perhaps as you say it was warranted.  Buck just didn't 
apparently think so.  That's all I was saying.  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 
 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   These are the key points to me: 
 "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditatin

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread feste37
Another way of looking at this is to think of a college course. If you are not 
enrolled in the course, don't expect to be allowed to go to the lecture. It's 
also common in colleges to have prerequisites: in order to take x, you must 
first take y. So it seems quite legitimate in this MUM context that those 
without badges should be excluded. The hadn't fulfilled the prerequisites. To 
talk of an "elitist" and "exclusionary" group in this context is 
ridiculous--clueless in the extreme. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."
 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole 

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread Share Long
Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into 
detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for 
meditators.





On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure."

We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context.


Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.


Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.


Emily, the lecture was free.


These are the key points to me: 
"But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
 
"Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"


The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if
non-badge people attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and 
when the lecture is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?

Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.


Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking 
badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming 
in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of 
reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice 
touch of nostalgia.





On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:

 
He gave a really good presentation
showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes.  It had a real nice
flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written
and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very
teacherly.  It was really a nice lecture.  It would have been nice to
have had that lecture a while ago.  A nice thing is that he gave it
at all now.  If and when he dies the material like that will go with
him and be lost to time.  But all that said nothing he said really
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have
been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative
at any level.Of course if he was to meet any larger group
gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town.
The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had
been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the
top putting you back in to kindergarten. 

He obviously did not get Raja
Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson
County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way.
Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers
and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced
practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty.  And he
wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. 

It is do or die time now for a
teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on
themselves to have it live.  In this moment he was quite contained
and composed jockeying the moment.  It was really well done.
Different people evidently bring different elements to it in
committee at that level no

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot
If and when it shows up, that is.  I'll rewrite it if it doesn't.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 No Share, you missed the points entirely and redirected.  See my post to Feste 
and re-read what my comments were.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, I did not redirect. Two paragraphs of your post had to do with buying 
tickets for the lecture. It seemed pertinent to tell you that the lecture was 
free. 
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 6:15 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me. 
 It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 
 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   These are the key points to me: 
 "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some 
large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some 
few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so 
badly and we just don't see. 
 

 It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are 
working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite 
contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different 
people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. 
Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a 
swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus
 

 Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good 
criticism for the elements around TM now. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE
 

 If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 
 'damned democracy'. ..,
 -Buck
 

 sharelong60 writes:

 Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself.
 

 

 authfriend
 So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment.
 

 Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I 
have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his 
comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions.
 

 

 Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck w

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread authfriend
Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), 
"Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture 
and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and 
informative at any level." Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a 
minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of 
challenge--by "redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a 
comment or two"--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to 
Buck's comment about Bevan being "a tragic figure." 

 We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's 
point about Share's sense of her own "specialness" is also highly apropos in 
this context. 

 

 Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does.
 

 

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.
 

 

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 

 

 These are the key points to me:  "But all that said nothing he said really 
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been 
insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some 
large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some 
few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so 
badly and we just don't see. 
 

 It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are 
working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite 
contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different 
people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. 
Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a 
swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot

 No Share, you missed the points entirely and redirected.  See my post to Feste 
and re-read what my comments were.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, I did not redirect. Two paragraphs of your post had to do with buying 
tickets for the lecture. It seemed pertinent to tell you that the lecture was 
free. 
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 6:15 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me. 
 It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 
 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   These are the key points to me: 
 "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some 
large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some 
few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so 
badly and we just don't see. 
 

 It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are 
working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite 
contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different 
people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. 
Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a 
swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus
 

 Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good 
criticism for the elements around TM now. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE
 

 If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 
 'damned democracy'. ..,
 -Buck
 

 sharelong60 writes:

 Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself.
 

 

 authfriend
 So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment.
 

 Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I 
have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his 
comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions.
 

 

 Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by "kind of a 
tragic figure" before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that 
he might hav

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread Share Long
Thanks, feste and I hope you're enjoying this sublime weather. 
yahoo (-:





On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:13 PM, feste37  wrote:
 
  
Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.      



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Emily, the lecture was free.




On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:

 
These are the key points to me: 
"But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
 
"Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"


The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if
non-badge people attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and 
when the lecture is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?

Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.    



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking 
badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming 
in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of 
reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice 
touch of nostalgia.





On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:

 
He gave a really good presentation
showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes.  It had a real nice
flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written
and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very
teacherly.  It was really a nice lecture.  It would have been nice to
have had that lecture a while ago.  A nice thing is that he gave it
at all now.  If and when he dies the material like that will go with
him and be lost to time.  But all that said nothing he said really
could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have
been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative
at any level.Of course if he was to meet any larger group
gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town.
The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had
been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the
top putting you back in to kindergarten. 

He obviously did not get Raja
Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson
County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way.
Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers
and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced
practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty.  And he
wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. 

It is do or die time now for a
teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on
themselves to have it live.  In this moment he was quite contained
and composed jockeying the moment.  It was really well done.
Different people evidently bring different elements to it in
committee at that level now.  Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman
General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements
governing TM put together now after Maharishi. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus

Netflix has for download now a
modern production as a movie.  It is really good criticism for the
elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE

If he'd just speak nicely to the
people... 
'damned democracy'. ..,
-Buck

sharelong60 writes:

Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself.


authfriend
So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment.


Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don

Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm

2014-03-10 Thread feste37
Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying 
that all the   TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, 
pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The 
point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM 
sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was 
all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for 
them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since 
you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue 
what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me.  
It is a very effective way to be for you.  I am always impressed at your 
ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to 
a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it 
masterful in its own way.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily, the lecture was free.
 
 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..."  wrote:
 
   These are the key points to me: 
 "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a 
public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level."
  
 "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down"

 

 The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just 
odd to me, an outsider.  What on earth would have happened if non-badge people 
attended?  So what?  Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture 
is sold out, so be it.  They want money, right?
 

 Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid 
for the right to be special.  You might lose this specialness if you move.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy 
checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were 
swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind 
of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. 
Nice touch of nostalgia.
 

 
 
 On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..."  
wrote:
 
   He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 
1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and 
then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it 
twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to 
have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. 
If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to 
time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in 
a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone 
listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger 
group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The 
badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by 
security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to 
kindergarten. 
 

 He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, 
Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it 
his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down 
from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some 
large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some 
few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so 
badly and we just don't see. 
 

 It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are 
working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite 
contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different 
people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. 
Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a 
swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus
 

 Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good 
criticism for the elements around TM now. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE
 

 If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 
 'damned democracy'. ..,
 -Buck
 

 sharelong60 writes:

 Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself.
 

 

 authfriend
 So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment.
 

 Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I

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