Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[matt's frameworks address]

"there is more peer support than peer pressure"

i really like this sentence
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Tom Whiteside]

Durham, North Carolina is a small city whose gritty history (that we produced 
25% of the world's cigarettes in the 1930's is but one highlight of our fabled 
past) is currently being burnished to a nice bronze patina by a wide variety of 
folks belonging to the creative class. Downtown studio space is incredibly 
cheap by big city standards and although many restaurants, music clubs, 
breweries and the like have opened in the past decade there is still plenty of 
empty space.  One thing to be said about smaller cities such as Durham - you 
are free to do as you please. I have been here 20 years, and find that there is 
more peer support than peer pressure. There is no "scene" to speak of, and in a 
very real way, if someone tried to impose one it would be shouted down. Plenty 
of artists, plenty of space, plenty of freedom.

I have always enjoyed visiting San Francisco and New York, and in the 70's when 
I got started in film I had to do so in order to see experimental work. But no 
way could I afford to live in those cities now, much less have a studio, as I 
can rather easily afford here in Bull City.


-  Tom



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"This is just speculation on my part, but it's been widely reported that the 
suburbs are now increasingly the places where lower income folks can afford to 
live and not in the urban core: thus recent immigrants, people arriving from 
other regions of the US, the working class, and minorities of various kinds are 
entering the collar communities.  The characteristic "mix" of art bohemia 
scenes might now be developing in the burbs?  Can anyone report evidence of 
this in the US?  Elsewhere?"


I think the burbs of the big cities in the US are definitely drawing immigrants 
and working class folks, but I think the young artists of today are more likely 
to move to cities that are emerging as new 'bohemian scenes' than settle for 
the burbs.  Portland is certainly a perfect example of that, and I think 
Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh fit that bill as well.   I don't know how 
artists make it in cities like New York or San Francisco- I suppose people have 
alternate forms of income, as the cost of living in those places is insane.

-matt




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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

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"This is just speculation on my part, but it's been widely reported that the
suburbs are now increasingly the places where lower income folks can afford
to live and not in the urban core: thus recent immigrants, people arriving
from other regions of the US, the working class, and minorities of various
kinds are entering the collar communities.  The characteristic "mix" of art
bohemia scenes might now be developing in the burbs?  Can anyone report
evidence of this in the US?  Elsewhere?"


I think the burbs of the big cities in the US are definitely drawing
immigrants and working class folks, but I think the young artists of today
are more likely to move to cities that are emerging as new 'bohemian scenes'
than settle for the burbs.  Portland is certainly a perfect example of that,
and I think Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh fit that bill as well.   I
don't know how artists make it in cities like New York or San Francisco- I
suppose people have alternate forms of income, as the cost of living in
those places is insane.

-matt



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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Brook Hinton]

As far as the SF area - very small scenes in some bay area burbs but far far
less of "the characteristic "mix" of art bohemia scenes " than what still
exists in SF and Oakland. Once you go through the Caldecott Tunnel things
get very conservative (by Northern California standards). There have always
been little pockets that have a bit of an artist colony vibe (Point
Richmond, Alameda to some extent). As for the south bay and Marin, they are
as or more expensive than SF, certainly more than Oakland.

I suspect the Cultural Bohemia of the Burbs is primarily found on the
internet.

Brook








On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Chuck Kleinhans
wrote:

>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Brook Hinton wrote:
>
> > Yes. Oakland and SF combined are less than half the size of Chicago and a
> fraction of LA.  San Francisco has well under a million people in a city
> with very limited space of the type that normally fosters underground art
> scenes. So on that level its not really a fair comparison.
> >
> > And given that, you have to give major props to the people that do make
> it happen, and especially those organizations that kept it going through the
> first dotcom boom, which permanently changed the cultural landscape of this
> city, completely wiped out a huge number of arts organizations and destroyed
> much of the framework for any real underground to exist at all.
> >
> > Brook
>
> This is just speculation on my part, but it's been widely reported that the
> suburbs are now increasingly the places where lower income folks can afford
> to live and not in the urban core: thus recent immigrants, people arriving
> from other regions of the US, the working class, and minorities of various
> kinds are entering the collar communities.  The characteristic "mix" of art
> bohemia scenes might now be developing in the burbs?  Can anyone report
> evidence of this in the US?  Elsewhere?
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Chuck Kleinhans]

On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Brook Hinton wrote:

> Yes. Oakland and SF combined are less than half the size of Chicago and a 
> fraction of LA.  San Francisco has well under a million people in a city with 
> very limited space of the type that normally fosters underground art scenes. 
> So on that level its not really a fair comparison.
> 
> And given that, you have to give major props to the people that do make it 
> happen, and especially those organizations that kept it going through the 
> first dotcom boom, which permanently changed the cultural landscape of this 
> city, completely wiped out a huge number of arts organizations and destroyed 
> much of the framework for any real underground to exist at all. 
> 
> Brook

This is just speculation on my part, but it's been widely reported that the 
suburbs are now increasingly the places where lower income folks can afford to 
live and not in the urban core: thus recent immigrants, people arriving from 
other regions of the US, the working class, and minorities of various kinds are 
entering the collar communities.  The characteristic "mix" of art bohemia 
scenes might now be developing in the burbs?  Can anyone report evidence of 
this in the US?  Elsewhere?

Chuck Kleinhans


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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Brook Hinton]

Yes. Oakland and SF combined are less than half the size of Chicago and a
fraction of LA.  San Francisco has well under a million people in a city
with very limited space of the type that normally fosters underground art
scenes. So on that level its not really a fair comparison.

And given that, you have to give major props to the people that do make it
happen, and especially those organizations that kept it going through the
first dotcom boom, which permanently changed the cultural landscape of this
city, completely wiped out a huge number of arts organizations and destroyed
much of the framework for any real underground to exist at all.

Brook

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Adam Hyman  wrote:

> Both of them are much larger cities than San Francisco.
>
>
> On 8/30/11 11:59 AM, "Aaron F. Ross"  wrote:
>
> > Well said, Brook. I have had such high expectations of San Francisco
> > that it's probably my fault if I'm disappointed. However, I have
> > lived in other cities, and it's my experience that both LA and
> > Chicago have better art scenes than San Francisco.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8/30/2011, you wrote:
> >> Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.
> >>
> >> There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San
> >> Francisco. ATA and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF
> >> Cinematheque is still going. Smaller venues are popping up or
> >> continuing and expanding which is good.
> >>
> >> But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a
> >> ceiling here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is
> >> a city of consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a
> >> small city that this doesn't always translate to great opportunities
> >> for producers of non-mainstream work. The primary audience for
> >> moving image art here is other moving image artists. Same with other
> >> underground or non-mainstream forms. It also helps to be somewhat
> >> extroverted and comfortable being part of a defined "scene" - those
> >> of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep working in our
> >> hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.
> >>
> >> The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
> >>
> >> You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing
> >> scenes. I hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland
> >> nor New York, to cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the
> >> creative opportunity spectrum in the US.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Brook Hinton
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr
> >> <blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which
> >> (I believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go
> >> there (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook
> >> hive mind) and search for them"
> >>
> >> thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other,
> >> however i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any
> >> "hive mind mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't
> >> learn how to use a tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive,
> >> these are my ramblings of a recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once
> >> again, honestly though, i'm assuming you meant no ill will and thanks
> >>
> >> our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be
> >> through extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before
> >> our "web presence" and will continue to do throughout and in
> >> collaboration with various online pathways.
> >> we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public
> venue.
> >> we also have a blog for announcements which is
> >> blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
> >> I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of
> >> the microcinema as well.
> >>
> >> we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and
> >> celluloid (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly
> >> group showings and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the
> >> work of touring films and filmmakers
> >>
> >> if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place
> >> email me at blackholecin...@gmail.com
> >> or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/
> >> Oakland, CA/94607
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> www.brookhinton.com
> >>
> >> Associate Professor / Assistant Chair
> >> Film Program at CCA
> >> California College of the Arts
> >> 

Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Adam Hyman]

Both of them are much larger cities than San Francisco.


On 8/30/11 11:59 AM, "Aaron F. Ross"  wrote:

> Well said, Brook. I have had such high expectations of San Francisco
> that it's probably my fault if I'm disappointed. However, I have
> lived in other cities, and it's my experience that both LA and
> Chicago have better art scenes than San Francisco.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8/30/2011, you wrote:
>> Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.
>> 
>> There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San
>> Francisco. ATA and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF
>> Cinematheque is still going. Smaller venues are popping up or
>> continuing and expanding which is good.
>> 
>> But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a
>> ceiling here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is
>> a city of consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a
>> small city that this doesn't always translate to great opportunities
>> for producers of non-mainstream work. The primary audience for
>> moving image art here is other moving image artists. Same with other
>> underground or non-mainstream forms. It also helps to be somewhat
>> extroverted and comfortable being part of a defined "scene" - those
>> of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep working in our
>> hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.
>> 
>> The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
>> 
>> You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing
>> scenes. I hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland
>> nor New York, to cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the
>> creative opportunity spectrum in the US.
>> 
>> 
>>  Brook Hinton
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr
>> <blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which
>> (I believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go
>> there (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook
>> hive mind) and search for them"
>> 
>> thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other,
>> however i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any
>> "hive mind mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't
>> learn how to use a tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive,
>> these are my ramblings of a recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once
>> again, honestly though, i'm assuming you meant no ill will and thanks
>> 
>> our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be
>> through extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before
>> our "web presence" and will continue to do throughout and in
>> collaboration with various online pathways.
>> we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
>> we also have a blog for announcements which is
>> blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
>> I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of
>> the microcinema as well.
>> 
>> we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and
>> celluloid (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly
>> group showings and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the
>> work of touring films and filmmakers
>> 
>> if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place
>> email me at blackholecin...@gmail.com
>> or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/
>> Oakland, CA/94607
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Moving Image and Sound Maker
>> www.brookhinton.com
>> 
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>> Film Program at CCA
>> California College of the Arts
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza]

I just want to say that I did have a great time in SF.  I learned a lot, I met 
a lot of people doing their stuff.  I don't really care if it is new and 
vibrant, they were exciting and excited doing their things; they all taught me 
a lot.  As Chris says, there are a lot of resources.  I know a lot of people 
who didn't take advantage, and a lot of them who did.  Besides the school 
library (SFAI) I went to the Public Library and got as much as I could.  I live 
in Monterrey, Mexico.  It is a terrible town to live in, but all the stuff I 
brought back from SF has kept me burning and vibrant, I guess.  And about being 
stuck on structuralism, I didn't get that idea.  I really wish I could have 
seen more of that in SF.  I personally got a lot into it and I think in a way a 
reason why filmmaking might have gotten stagnant might be because structuralism 
is kind of forgotten.  Although it might not be as effective with digital 
technology, but that's another issue.

Best,

Jorge Lorenzo

> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:15:23 -0400
> From: ch...@signaltoground.com
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> 
> My guess is Aaron has never lived anywhere else. Compared to most cities, SF
> has a pretty great amount of resources.
> 
> That said, Carl, you're going to have to make it happen. Don't expect
> anything to be handed to you (especially if you're in anyway associated to
> SFAI), you've got to take charge and find things and do things. And when you
> do, you'll find that there's both a decent community (yes, maybe not
> "vibrant" anymore, but great in many ways) and one that is receptive to new
> things when someone does do something new. SF is known for having a ton of
> people who pass through for a few years and light the fire a bit AND people
> who hole away in their neighborhoods after having been part of the fire for
> a period of time (when you see their neighborhoods, you'll understand why).
> But when they're active, its a lot of fun. Your turn.
> 
> Read "Radical Light", too. It's a pretty good. and yes, stay away from the
> burners...
> 
> C
> 
> 
> On 8/30/11 1:57 AM, "frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com"
>  wrote:
> 
> > --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:44:08
> > -0700
> From: "Aaron F. Ross" 
> Subject: Re:
> > [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> > 
> 
> 
> The avant-garde film scene in
> > this town has 
> really degenerated in the last ten years. I took 
> a break for a
> > while to work on other things, and 
> when I came back I found that the scene I
> > knew 
> and loved had fallen on hard times.
> 
> I can't recommend San Francisco as
> > a place to 
> find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture 
> events. The
> > venues Steve mentioned seem to be 
> stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against
> > 
> structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a 
> lack of imagination and an
> > inability to embrace 
> new methods. This is an ill omen.
> 
> Don't come here
> > expecting a vibrant community. 
> It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed,
> > insular, 
> and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have 
> no mojo left in
> > them, and the young people are 
> too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes
> > to do anything revolutionary.
> 
> Aaron
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Aaron F. Ross]

I'm not offended, I expect some flames to come my way after my own 
incendiary comments.

Anyway, I've paid my dues with a three-year stint building an 
artists' collective space in San Francisco. Let's just say it's like 
herding cats. The amount of time and effort required to make 
something like that happen completely precludes any personal 
artmaking. So it's really for administrator types, not artists, to 
build such spaces. It's a tough job, because really, communities 
aren't built, they emerge.

I've been to about a half dozen art- and film-related events in the 
past year. Not a huge number, it's true. But I was so profoundly 
disappointed by the work, and by those presenting it, that I've all 
but given up on this town. I won't name names, but frankly, what I've 
seen recently has been nothing short of pathetic.

Aaron





At 8/30/2011, you wrote:
>in addendum to my last email that could be considered harsh words 
>toward aaron f ross, if any one takes offense ( including mr. ross) 
>please forgive, i really don't wish to fill this list with 
>squabbling and drama. far from it. and out of respect for it. if any 
>one wants to tell me i am full of it or further discuss the state of 
>"experimental" etc... cinema in the bay area and how we can 
>strengthen and improve it. please do so in another venue, such as my 
>email blackholecin...@gmail.com or 
>stop by a weekly tuesday screening and we'll talk!
>cheers and respect to all the frameworkers!
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[tooth hinckley jr]

in addendum to my last email that could be considered harsh words toward
aaron f ross, if any one takes offense ( including mr. ross) please forgive,
i really don't wish to fill this list with squabbling and drama. far from
it. and out of respect for it. if any one wants to tell me i am full of it
or further discuss the state of "experimental" etc... cinema in the bay area
and how we can strengthen and improve it. please do so in another venue,
such as my email blackholecin...@gmail.com or stop by a weekly tuesday
screening and we'll talk!
cheers and respect to all the frameworkers!
- black hole cinematheque
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Carlileb]

 
In a message dated 8/30/2011 2:03:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
blackholecin...@gmail.com writes:

in  response to the aaron f. ross, although i debated it deserved one...  
i don't want to start a fight on this list, but you sir clearly sound  much 
farther out of touch than the people you are accusing of being "stuck in  
60's". if the bay area film community is lacking for innovation and  
imagination, and you see yourself as a part of it, wether currently or  
formerly, 
and are NOT doing anything to change this, then you are clearly the  one to 
blame here. don't try and tear down the people that are. if you are not  
working to build something better with us or without us then you can kindly  
step 
the fuck out of the way.


sincerely, black hole cinematheque.







I tend to agree with you, plus there's nothing wrong with "60's" whatever.  
That's just snark.
 
But I do think that all these rich computer people have ruined San  
Francisco during the last 20 years or so. It's not arty or 'intellectual' any  
more. It's just-- alas-- snarky. And most of them are idiots.
 
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[tooth hinckley jr]

in response to the aaron f. ross, although i debated it deserved one...
i don't want to start a fight on this list, but you sir clearly sound much
farther out of touch than the people you are accusing of being "stuck in
60's". if the bay area film community is lacking for innovation and
imagination, and you see yourself as a part of it, wether currently or
formerly, and are NOT doing anything to change this, then you are clearly
the one to blame here. don't try and tear down the people that are. if you
are not working to build something better with us or without us then you can
kindly step the fuck out of the way.

sincerely, black hole cinematheque.
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Jim Flannery]

Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:29:40 AM, one wrote:

> That it is. There are many things I miss about SF, the cost of living
> is not one. Most people I know down there live in Oakland or other
> more affordable East Bay locations.

Yes, thirded. When I came here in the mid-70s it was a comfortable place
for small mammals like we -- fond memories of my $250/month 2-bedroom in
Cole Valley. Ah well. Imagination enhancers were cheaper then too.

The thing that's made a real negative impact in the last 10 years, in
terms of both making work and community-building, is the loss of the
production wing of FAF (and the more industry-centric focus of what's
left of it under the SFIFF aegis). Maybe that's been compensated for by
people buying decommissioned flatbeds or working in digital, but the
bulletin boards and talking to people on breaks during long overnight
shifts were part of what made it feel like a community.

FAF grant and sponsorship programs do still exist via SFIFF.

Aaron's "stuck in the 60s" remarks are, it would seem, unfortunate
artifacts of only deciding to pay attention during a season that marked
both SFC's 50th anniversary and the release of Radical Light, which
prompted an unusually valedictory approach. Pity if you missed the
dozen+ hours of new work at the Crossroads festival. Maybe next year.

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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Aaron F. Ross]

Well said, Brook. I have had such high expectations of San Francisco 
that it's probably my fault if I'm disappointed. However, I have 
lived in other cities, and it's my experience that both LA and 
Chicago have better art scenes than San Francisco.

Aaron





At 8/30/2011, you wrote:
>Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.
>
>There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San 
>Francisco. ATA and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF 
>Cinematheque is still going. Smaller venues are popping up or 
>continuing and expanding which is good.
>
>But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a 
>ceiling here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is 
>a city of consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a 
>small city that this doesn't always translate to great opportunities 
>for producers of non-mainstream work. The primary audience for 
>moving image art here is other moving image artists. Same with other 
>underground or non-mainstream forms. It also helps to be somewhat 
>extroverted and comfortable being part of a defined "scene" - those 
>of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep working in our 
>hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.
>
>The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
>
>You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing 
>scenes. I hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland 
>nor New York, to cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the 
>creative opportunity spectrum in the US.
>
>
>  Brook Hinton
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr 
><blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which 
>(I believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go 
>there (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook 
>hive mind) and search for them"
>
>thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other, 
>however i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any 
>"hive mind mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't 
>learn how to use a tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive, 
>these are my ramblings of a recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once 
>again, honestly though, i'm assuming you meant no ill will and thanks
>
>our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be 
>through extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before 
>our "web presence" and will continue to do throughout and in 
>collaboration with various online pathways.
>we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
>we also have a blog for announcements which is
>blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
>I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of 
>the microcinema as well.
>
>we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and 
>celluloid (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly 
>group showings and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the 
>work of touring films and filmmakers
>
>if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place 
>email me at blackholecin...@gmail.com
>or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/ 
>Oakland, CA/94607
>
>
>
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>
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>Film Program at CCA
>California College of the Arts
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Dennis Williams]

*The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.*

same here brook. nyc is capitalism, consumerism, and commercialism. artist
either flip to commercial work or leave, or exist in a degree of limbo. i
think an art movement should emerge that will reflect these unfortunate
circumstances. perhaps shake a few folks out of it. though i prefer to focus
on beauty, this ugly reality is impossible to ignore.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Brook Hinton  wrote:

> Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.
>
> There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San Francisco. ATA
> and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF Cinematheque is still
> going. Smaller venues are popping up or continuing and expanding which is
> good.
>
> But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a ceiling
> here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is a city of
> consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a small city that
> this doesn't always translate to great opportunities for producers of
> non-mainstream work. The primary audience for moving image art here is other
> moving image artists. Same with other underground or non-mainstream forms.
> It also helps to be somewhat extroverted and comfortable being part of a
> defined "scene" - those of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep
> working in our hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.
>
> The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
>
> You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing scenes.
> I hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland nor New York, to
> cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the creative opportunity
> spectrum in the US.
>
>
>  Brook Hinton
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr <
> blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which (I
>> believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
>> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook hive mind) and
>> search for them"
>>
>> thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other,
>> however i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any "hive
>> mind mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't learn how to
>> use a tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive, these are my ramblings
>> of a recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once again, honestly though, i'm
>> assuming you meant no ill will and thanks
>>
>> our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be through
>> extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before our "web presence"
>> and will continue to do throughout and in collaboration with various online
>> pathways.
>> we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
>> we also have a blog for announcements which is
>> blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
>> I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of the
>> microcinema as well.
>>
>> we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and celluloid
>> (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly group showings
>> and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the work of touring films and
>> filmmakers
>>
>> if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place email me
>> at blackholecin...@gmail.com
>> or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/ Oakland,
>> CA/94607
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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> www.brookhinton.com
>
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> Film Program at CCA
> California College of the Arts
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[40 Frames]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Brook Hinton  wrote:

>
> The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
>
>
>

That it is. There are many things I miss about SF, the cost of living is not
one. Most people I know down there live in Oakland
or other more affordable East Bay locations. Last time I look at the cost
rent in some areas of Oakland, it too was getting
expensive. Seems like one should pay less for living on a fault line, no?

For the original poster... if you're in SF I recommend volunteering at
Canyon Cinema... it's something I wish I would have done
while living there.


Alain


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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Brook Hinton]

Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.

There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San Francisco. ATA
and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF Cinematheque is still
going. Smaller venues are popping up or continuing and expanding which is
good.

But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a ceiling
here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is a city of
consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a small city that
this doesn't always translate to great opportunities for producers of
non-mainstream work. The primary audience for moving image art here is other
moving image artists. Same with other underground or non-mainstream forms.
It also helps to be somewhat extroverted and comfortable being part of a
defined "scene" - those of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep
working in our hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.

The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.

You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing scenes. I
hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland nor New York, to
cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the creative opportunity
spectrum in the US.


 Brook Hinton


On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr <
blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which (I
> believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook hive mind) and
> search for them"
>
> thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other, however
> i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any "hive mind
> mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't learn how to use a
> tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive, these are my ramblings of a
> recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once again, honestly though, i'm assuming
> you meant no ill will and thanks
>
> our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be through
> extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before our "web presence"
> and will continue to do throughout and in collaboration with various online
> pathways.
> we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
> we also have a blog for announcements which is
> blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
> I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of the
> microcinema as well.
>
> we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and celluloid
> (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly group showings
> and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the work of touring films and
> filmmakers
>
> if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place email me at
> blackholecin...@gmail.com
> or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/ Oakland,
> CA/94607
>
>
>
>
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Associate Professor / Assistant Chair
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[tooth hinckley jr]

"There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which (I
believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
(Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook hive mind) and
search for them"

thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other, however
i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any "hive mind
mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't learn how to use a
tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive, these are my ramblings of a
recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once again, honestly though, i'm assuming
you meant no ill will and thanks

our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be through
extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before our "web presence"
and will continue to do throughout and in collaboration with various online
pathways.
we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
we also have a blog for announcements which is
blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of the
microcinema as well.

we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and celluloid
(usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly group showings
and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the work of touring films and
filmmakers

if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place email me at
blackholecin...@gmail.com
or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/ Oakland,
CA/94607
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Jim Flannery]

Monday, August 29, 2011, 5:53:25 PM, one wrote:

> I have fond memories of New Nothing, Rock Ross is a great guy. I 
> curated a show there once. But it's definitely "under the radar" -- 
> haven't heard a peep about it for years.

I went to a screening at New Nothing last Wednesday.

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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Douglas Katelus]

it's word of mouth, somebody set up that website but it has nothing to do with 
the place and has never been updated. Shows are happening at New Nothing evey 
month

 
 

> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:53:25 -0700
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> From: aa...@digitalartsguild.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> 
> I have fond memories of New Nothing, Rock Ross is a great guy. I 
> curated a show there once. But it's definitely "under the radar" -- 
> haven't heard a peep about it for years.
> 
> http://newnothing.wordpress.com/
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
> >there's a place in SOMA that I used to go to sometimes, I think it's 
> >new nothing cinema or some derivative of the sort
> >it's on a side street right off of a playground and small baseball 
> >field, and near the highway overpass
> >
> >dan
> >
> >--
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Aaron F. Ross]

I have fond memories of New Nothing, Rock Ross is a great guy. I 
curated a show there once. But it's definitely "under the radar" -- 
haven't heard a peep about it for years.

http://newnothing.wordpress.com/

Aaron




At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
>there's a place in SOMA that I used to go to sometimes, I think it's 
>new nothing cinema or some derivative of the sort
>it's on a side street right off of a playground and small baseball 
>field, and near the highway overpass
>
>dan
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Dan Baker]

there's a place in SOMA that I used to go to sometimes, I think it's new
nothing cinema or some derivative of the sort
it's on a side street right off of a playground and small baseball field,
and near the highway overpass

dan

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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Douglas Katelus]

Arron,
 
ATA was founded in the 80's? wonder how that makes it stuck in the 60's? And 
Craig Baldwin's programming at Other Cinema has always been 
focused on new and exciting work. He is as far from the structured 
establishment as you can get. And the Burning Man people are all out of 
town so enjoy yourself for once... don't think I've really seen them at 
experimental film shows... at least not with feathered hats. I too
dislike the old guard but you obviously didn't read Steve Polta's email fully. 
I don't comment on this list much primarily because it seems
to be full of people blowing hot air(via type) in order to make themselves feel 
more important. I can not comment on Black Hole because
I have yet to attend the space but there is more going on in regards to 
underground film here then anyplace in this beautiful country that I have been 
to.
 
Now I too have my issues with people being stuck in the 60's and the 
egotistical nature of burning man but that's got nothing to do with this.
I would recommend Mr. Elsaesser check out ATA, and keep and open ear for shows 
at New Nothing Cinema when he gets to San Francisco and
try to have a good time. Tons of artists are making new movies out here all the 
time, underground film may of gone a bit more under but it's
running strong out west. 
 
dk

 

> From: z...@sonic.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:47:42 -0700
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
> 
> Now tell us how you really feel.
> Just kidding. I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true. I 
> dropped out long ago to grow my own veges in the country.
> 
> Myron Ort
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Aaron F. Ross wrote:
> 
> > The avant-garde film scene in this town has
> > really degenerated in the last ten years. I took
> > a break for a while to work on other things, and
> > when I came back I found that the scene I knew
> > and loved had fallen on hard times.
> >
> > I can't recommend San Francisco as a place to
> > find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture
> > events. The venues Steve mentioned seem to be
> > stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against
> > structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a
> > lack of imagination and an inability to embrace
> > new methods. This is an ill omen.
> >
> > Don't come here expecting a vibrant community.
> > It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed, insular,
> > and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have
> > no mojo left in them, and the young people are
> > too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes to do anything 
> > revolutionary.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
> >> Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco
> >> Bay Area, all of which will be presented
> >> substantial programs of what could be considered
> >> avant-garde/experimental/underground works in
> >> the coming months (presented alphabetically):
> >>
> >> Artists' Television Access (ATA): www.atasite.org
> >> Canyon Cinema: www.canyoncinema.com
> >> Oddball Films: www.oddballfilm.com
> >> Other Cinema (at ATA): www.othercinema.com
> >> San Francisco Cinematheque: www.sfcinematheque.org
> >> There is also a new venue in west Oakland called
> >> "Black Hole" which (I believe) promotes itself
> >> primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
> >> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of
> >> the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.
> >>
> >> And please...
> >> Before anyone says anything...
> >> I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am
> >> a filmmaker member (and once employee and board
> >> member—”but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I
> >> am a long-time volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA.
> >> I even worked for Oddball for a short time years ago.
> >> Call this disclosure.
> >> This collation of publicly-accessible
> >> information is posted out of a sense of love for
> >> this local film scene and for this community,
> >> enthusiam for the coming season and as an act of
> >> generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I
> >> make no claims to speak for, advocate for, or
> >> argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any of the
> >> above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I
> >> also apologize to any venues I may have left
> >> out. No venue was omitted from my list due to
> >> personal (or institutional) ill will; if there
> >> have been 

Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Myron Ort]

Now tell us how you really feel.
Just kidding.  I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true.  I  
dropped out long ago to grow my own veges in the country.

Myron Ort


On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Aaron F. Ross wrote:

> The avant-garde film scene in this town has
> really degenerated in the last ten years. I took
> a break for a while to work on other things, and
> when I came back I found that the scene I knew
> and loved had fallen on hard times.
>
> I can't recommend San Francisco as a place to
> find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture
> events. The venues Steve mentioned seem to be
> stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against
> structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a
> lack of imagination and an inability to embrace
> new methods. This is an ill omen.
>
> Don't come here expecting a vibrant community.
> It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed, insular,
> and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have
> no mojo left in them, and the young people are
> too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes to do anything  
> revolutionary.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
> At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
>> Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco
>> Bay Area, all of which will be presented
>> substantial programs of what could be considered
>> avant-garde/experimental/underground works in
>> the coming months (presented alphabetically):
>>
>> Artists' Television Access (ATA): www.atasite.org
>> Canyon Cinema: www.canyoncinema.com
>> Oddball Films: www.oddballfilm.com
>> Other Cinema (at ATA): www.othercinema.com
>> San Francisco Cinematheque: www.sfcinematheque.org
>> There is also a new venue in west Oakland called
>> "Black Hole" which (I believe) promotes itself
>> primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
>> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of
>> the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.
>>
>> And please...
>> Before anyone says anything...
>> I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am
>> a filmmaker member (and once employee and board
>> member—”but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I
>> am a long-time volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA.
>> I even worked for Oddball for a short time years ago.
>> Call this disclosure.
>> This collation of publicly-accessible
>> information is posted out of a sense of love for
>> this local film scene and for this community,
>> enthusiam for the coming season and as an act of
>> generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I
>> make no claims to speak for, advocate for, or
>> argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any of the
>> above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I
>> also apologize to any venues I may have left
>> out. No venue was omitted from my list due to
>> personal (or institutional) ill will; if there
>> have been any omissions it is only due to my personal ignorance.
>>
>> Peace out,
>> Steve Polta
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/29/11, carl elsaesser  wrote:
>>
>> From: carl elsaesser 
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
>> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:51 AM
>>
>> Hey, I just moved to San Francisco from Maine
>> and I wanted to check out the film community
>> here. I would love any and all advice on
>> organizing community events, if there are
>> non-profit organizations set up for experimental
>> film makers or of funding opportunities for young film-makers.
>>
>> even if it is just for coffee I would love to
>> hear what artists have been up to here, and get
>> a sense of collaboration possibilities.
>>
>> Thanks and too much love,
>>
>> --
>> cArl Elsaesser
>> 207-607-2610
>> http:// 
>> www.youtube.com/user/camerac?feature=mhee
>>
>>
>>
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[Aaron F. Ross]

The avant-garde film scene in this town has 
really degenerated in the last ten years. I took 
a break for a while to work on other things, and 
when I came back I found that the scene I knew 
and loved had fallen on hard times.

I can't recommend San Francisco as a place to 
find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture 
events. The venues Steve mentioned seem to be 
stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against 
structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a 
lack of imagination and an inability to embrace 
new methods. This is an ill omen.

Don't come here expecting a vibrant community. 
It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed, insular, 
and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have 
no mojo left in them, and the young people are 
too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes to do anything revolutionary.

Aaron





At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
>Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco 
>Bay Area, all of which will be presented 
>substantial programs of what could be considered 
>avant-garde/experimental/underground works in 
>the coming months (presented alphabetically):
>
>Artists' Television Access (ATA): www.atasite.org
>Canyon Cinema: www.canyoncinema.com
>Oddball Films: www.oddballfilm.com
>Other Cinema (at ATA): www.othercinema.com
>San Francisco Cinematheque: www.sfcinematheque.org
>There is also a new venue in west Oakland called 
>"Black Hole" which (I believe) promotes itself 
>primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there 
>(Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of 
>the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.
>
>And please...
>Before anyone says anything...
>I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am 
>a filmmaker member (and once employee and board 
>member—”but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I 
>am a long-time volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA. 
>I even worked for Oddball for a short time years ago.
>Call this disclosure.
>This collation of publicly-accessible 
>information is posted out of a sense of love for 
>this local film scene and for this community, 
>enthusiam for the coming season and as an act of 
>generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I 
>make no claims to speak for, advocate for, or 
>argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any of the 
>above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I 
>also apologize to any venues I may have left 
>out. No venue was omitted from my list due to 
>personal (or institutional) ill will; if there 
>have been any omissions it is only due to my personal ignorance.
>
>Peace out,
>Steve Polta
>
>
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>
>From: carl elsaesser 
>Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
>To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:51 AM
>
>Hey, I just moved to San Francisco from Maine 
>and I wanted to check out the film community 
>here. I would love any and all advice on 
>organizing community events, if there are 
>non-profit organizations set up for experimental 
>film makers or of funding opportunities for young film-makers.
>
>even if it is just for coffee I would love to 
>hear what artists have been up to here, and get 
>a sense of collaboration possibilities.
>
>Thanks and too much love,
>
>--
>cArl Elsaesser
>207-607-2610
>http://www.youtube.com/user/camerac?feature=mhee
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco

[Steve Polta]

Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco Bay Area, all of which will be 
presented substantial programs of what could be considered 
avant-garde/experimental/underground works in the coming months (presented 
alphabetically):

Artists' Television Access (ATA): www.atasite.org
Canyon Cinema: www.canyoncinema.com
Oddball Films: www.oddballfilm.com
Other Cinema (at ATA): www.othercinema.com
San Francisco Cinematheque: www.sfcinematheque.org
There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which (I believe) 
promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there (Facebook that 
is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.

And please...
Before anyone says anything...
I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am a filmmaker member (and once 
employee and board member—but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I am a long-time 
volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA. I even worked for Oddball for a short time 
years ago.
Call this disclosure.
This collation of publicly-accessible information is posted out of a sense of 
love for this local film scene and for this community, enthusiam for the coming 
season and as an act of generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I make no 
claims to speak for, advocate for, or argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any 
of the above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I also apologize to any 
venues I may have left out. No venue was omitted from my list due to personal 
(or institutional) ill will; if there have been any omissions it is only due to 
my personal ignorance.

Peace out,
Steve Polta


--- On Mon, 8/29/11, carl elsaesser  wrote:

From: carl elsaesser 
Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:51 AM

Hey, I just moved to San Francisco from Maine and I wanted to check out the 
film community here. I would love any and all advice on organizing community 
events, if there are non-profit organizations set up for experimental film 
makers or of funding opportunities for young film-makers.


even if it is just for coffee I would love to hear what artists have been up to 
here, and get a sense of collaboration possibilities.

Thanks and too much love,  
  
-- 
cArl Elsaesser
207-607-2610

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