Re: [Freedos-user] unload previsiously loaded exe and sys on fdconfig.sys

2009-03-19 Thread bwspos


Fabrício Ceolin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want free some freedos memory after using a packet driver and others 
> sys (under fdconfig.sys) and exe (like doskey).
> There are any way to unload programs without reboot?
>
>
I use TERMIN.COM on 24/7 POS systems with no recourse to rebooting. Not 
sure where I found it as it's not part of FREEDOS

example from .bat

REM LOAD COMMS

LH C:\NETWORK\LSL.COM /C=C:\NETWORK\NET.CFG
LH %NIC%
LH C:\NETWORK\ODIPKT.COM 0 96

REM UNLOAD COMMS
 
TERMIN.COM.com 96
%NIC% /u
LSL /u

where %NIC% = Netware ODI driver




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Re: [Freedos-user] I want to port drivewire to freedos...

2009-03-19 Thread Blair Campbell
> Thanks for the pointers.  The 4th step is to get it working with
> ncurses and djgpp.  Where do I get the 32 bit dos compatible DJGPP
> compiler from???  A gem interface is clearly a stage 2 problem.

GCC is available for DJGPP.  I recommend getting DJGPP with GCC/G++
and various other packages as a start (see DJGPP home-page)
DJGPP is 32-bit only, btw.

> Actually, the first thing I probably need to do is get some
> comments into the source so I can follow it easier ;-)
>
> Step 1: Find out how code works in Linux and add comments to it.
>
> Step 2: Reorganize code if necessary to separate out interface from
>        other parts.
>
> Step 3: Port the makefile to freedos.
>
> Step 4: Start porting the code.
>
> A quick look at the makefile:
>
> vpath %.c ../source
>
> CFLAGS += -g -DLINUX
> LDFLAGS += -lcurses -lpthread -g
>
> drivewire: drivewire.o
>
> clean:
>        rm drivewire drivewire.o
>
> install: drivewire
>        cp drivewire ~/bin
>
> I don't understand the vpath line as I've never
> encountered that before.  The install section will
> be replaced by something like:
> install:
>        FDOS_BIN_PATH=C:\FDOS_01\BIN
>        copy .\drivewire $FDOS_BIN_PATH
>
> Though I'm open to a more robust solution.
>
> The clean section will need to be changed to:
> clean:
>        del drivewire
>        del drivewire.o
>
> I would like to have gdb under freedos, is there a port of it???

DJGPP has a gdb package available.  Again, see the homepage.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] I want to port drivewire to freedos...

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Robinson
> O.K.  It looks like it depends at least on pthreads, curses, termios,
> and linux-specific tty devices.
> Often (as is the case with curses), linux C libraries are available
> under FreeDOS with DJGPP; they are the same libraries, just
> re-compiled (DJGPP has a fairly POSIX-compatible c-library, it is
> somewhat comparable to cygwin on Windows..
> Curses is easy, pdcurses is available for 16-bit or 32-bit DOS.  Also
> ncurses is available for DJGPP.  If you plan on implementing it with
> GEM, you would likely want to replace the parts that depend on curses
> with GEM-equivalent functions (curses does all of the
> screen-manipulation).
> If you plan on a 32-bit port (GEM has djgpp bindings IIRC), termios is
> available in the c-library to manipulate the screen and also there are
> pthreads libraries available for djgpp.  But if termios is used to
> manipulate the serial ports as well, you would need to implement a
> file-system extention (see
> http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_321.html for a description)
> to handle serial devices as well as screen devices (and maybe also
> create your own termios interface to serial ports).  The file-system
> extention would probably suffice to access linux-specific tty devices.
> If you plan on a 16-bit port, pthreads (a multi-threading library),
> would be a challenge to implement (but likely possible), and termios
> would be possible to implement, but I don't think there exists a
> termios-compatible library for 16-bit DOS.
> termios probably wouldn't be too difficult to implement for 16-bit
> DOS.  Accesses to linux-specific tty devies would have to be replaced
> with DOS-equivalent functionality.
> 
> Overall, it's a decently-sized job.  Plus if you don't know how to
> write GEM applications, you would have to learn that as well.
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Thanks for the pointers.  The 4th step is to get it working with 
ncurses and djgpp.  Where do I get the 32 bit dos compatible DJGPP
compiler from???  A gem interface is clearly a stage 2 problem.
Actually, the first thing I probably need to do is get some 
comments into the source so I can follow it easier ;-)

Step 1: Find out how code works in Linux and add comments to it.

Step 2: Reorganize code if necessary to separate out interface from 
other parts.

Step 3: Port the makefile to freedos.

Step 4: Start porting the code.

A quick look at the makefile:

vpath %.c ../source

CFLAGS += -g -DLINUX
LDFLAGS += -lcurses -lpthread -g

drivewire: drivewire.o

clean:
rm drivewire drivewire.o

install: drivewire
cp drivewire ~/bin

I don't understand the vpath line as I've never 
encountered that before.  The install section will 
be replaced by something like: 
install:
FDOS_BIN_PATH=C:\FDOS_01\BIN
copy .\drivewire $FDOS_BIN_PATH

Though I'm open to a more robust solution.

The clean section will need to be changed to:
clean:
del drivewire
del drivewire.o

I would like to have gdb under freedos, is there a port of it???


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Robinson

On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 02:12 -0400, Michael Horvath wrote:
> I am able to boot after selecting option #3 ("Load FreeDOS with HIMEM 
> XMS-memory driver"), but installing the game still fails. Option #4 
> ("Load FreeDOS without drivers") is unselectable.
> 
> -Mike

That's a bug, the 4th option not working.  
To fix it, add:
4?echo "No drivers ;-)"

to fdconfig.sys

> Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> > Booting without emm386 will work, to make emm386 to work you need the
> > correct excludes X= or I= but don't ask me further.
> > 
> > After you got it running tell us how well Virtual PC works for your DOS
> > apps / DOS games, how good is the soundblaster / vga / vesa
> > implementation? Perhaps I've tested it in past but I do not remember.
> > 
> > -mr
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Horvath
I am able to boot after selecting option #3 ("Load FreeDOS with HIMEM 
XMS-memory driver"), but installing the game still fails. Option #4 
("Load FreeDOS without drivers") is unselectable.

-Mike

Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> Booting without emm386 will work, to make emm386 to work you need the
> correct excludes X= or I= but don't ask me further.
> 
> After you got it running tell us how well Virtual PC works for your DOS
> apps / DOS games, how good is the soundblaster / vga / vesa
> implementation? Perhaps I've tested it in past but I do not remember.
> 
> -mr


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Re: [Freedos-user] I want to port drivewire to freedos...

2009-03-19 Thread Blair Campbell
> Now then, the Linux version depends on specific Linux only C
> libraries.  I need to know what the equivalent libraries are
> under Freedos and as necessary I will need to recode if the
> dos equivalent library is different.

O.K.  It looks like it depends at least on pthreads, curses, termios,
and linux-specific tty devices.
Often (as is the case with curses), linux C libraries are available
under FreeDOS with DJGPP; they are the same libraries, just
re-compiled (DJGPP has a fairly POSIX-compatible c-library, it is
somewhat comparable to cygwin on Windows..
Curses is easy, pdcurses is available for 16-bit or 32-bit DOS.  Also
ncurses is available for DJGPP.  If you plan on implementing it with
GEM, you would likely want to replace the parts that depend on curses
with GEM-equivalent functions (curses does all of the
screen-manipulation).
If you plan on a 32-bit port (GEM has djgpp bindings IIRC), termios is
available in the c-library to manipulate the screen and also there are
pthreads libraries available for djgpp.  But if termios is used to
manipulate the serial ports as well, you would need to implement a
file-system extention (see
http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_321.html for a description)
to handle serial devices as well as screen devices (and maybe also
create your own termios interface to serial ports).  The file-system
extention would probably suffice to access linux-specific tty devices.
If you plan on a 16-bit port, pthreads (a multi-threading library),
would be a challenge to implement (but likely possible), and termios
would be possible to implement, but I don't think there exists a
termios-compatible library for 16-bit DOS.
termios probably wouldn't be too difficult to implement for 16-bit
DOS.  Accesses to linux-specific tty devies would have to be replaced
with DOS-equivalent functionality.

Overall, it's a decently-sized job.  Plus if you don't know how to
write GEM applications, you would have to learn that as well.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos needs hardware testing tools...

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Robinson

On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 10:25 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > Something specific to my hardware on my 486 DX2 66 must be causing
> > fdupdate to crash, but there seem to be no diagnosis tools to find
> > out what that is.  Please rectify this problem.  I want something
> > that detects resource conflicts, flaky memory, etcetera.
> 
> First try to boot without loading (J)EMM386, a common cause of
> problems is a bad default EMM386 configuration which makes UMB
> space available for DOS in areas that should stay reserved for
> something else, such as BIOS or extension cards. You can use a
> tool like PCISLEEP to get a list of devices. The Quarterdeck MFT
> Manifest tool is also freeware by now, might be useful even if
> it is not hardware oriented. Similar to a very extended MEM :-)
> 
> There is also a RAM/resource info tool from Japheth that can be
> used to debug the autoconfig abilities of JEMM386, if you can
> not find it on (www) japheth.de you can always ask him by mail.
> 
> Eric
> 
> PS: For flaky memory, run MEMTEST86 or MEMTEST86+. There is also
> a version that can be started from DOS called MEMTESTE. Note that
> it can only start if no EMM386 is loaded. It works best if you do
> not load any other drivers at all before starting MEMTESTE...

Okay, I have tried loading no drivers and then with just the
packet driver running fdupdate.  It still crashes.  Is there
a way to scan for bios usage of memory so that I can put in
the necessary exceptions?  The PCISLEEP comment is interesting,
but I'm on an old EISA only Intel 80486 DX2-66 that uses 32 pin
simms.  The bios is an AMI bios circa 1993.

I'll see about grabbing a copy of memteste.


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[Freedos-user] I want to port drivewire to freedos...

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Robinson
I have the C source code for the 1.7 release that is meant for Linux.

I want to port this code to freedos and build a gem compatible 
interface for it.

Drivewire, for those who don't know, is a piece of software that 
allows a color computer 1/2/3 to access via serial port a modern
computer and the modern computer emulates a disk drive.  These old 
computers used 5 1/4" low density floppies which are no more now.  
The drives for low density 5 1/4" floppies aren't available 
anymore.  Drivewire doesn't always work, but most of the time 
it does.  Programs that follow the Tandy standard for disk 
access have no problem with drivewire.

Now then, the Linux version depends on specific Linux only C 
libraries.  I need to know what the equivalent libraries are 
under Freedos and as necessary I will need to recode if the 
dos equivalent library is different.

The following link:

 http://drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net/drivewireserver/ 

is where the source code for the drivewire server can be 
downloaded from.

I am interested in doing a port because Windows 98SE is awfully 
heavy on a 486 DX2-66 with only 20 megs of ram, and it isn't free.

I could use some help getting the information about what the C 
library equivalents are under freedos and how they vary from the 
ones in Linux.  Another area where I need help is understanding 
gem so I can make my drivewire port a gem application.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

2009-03-19 Thread Eric Auer

Hi,

> Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
> and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I

On modern PC, your BIOS already does USB disk support for you and DOS.
For the others, you can try the USB drivers made by Georg Potthast:

www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ (see also Sioux server, NIC driver page ;-))

> want to install it on (a 3Com 3C595-TX) does not appear to be recognized by
> either the default packet driver or the manufacturer's DOS driver, unless it
> requires some fiddling with the PCI arguments (which are, frankly, over my
> head.) And a large portion of the packages, including some absolutely

You should give some more details about why the "manufacturer driver"
fails. Any error messages? Did you try NwDSK yet? www.veder.com/nwdsk/

> critical ones like the USB mass storage driver, seem to rely on the
> installer's ability to use wget to download the latest version off the
> Internet. Is there a way around this problem, or am I SOL without a
> more commonly-supported network card?

On the FdDependencies page on the fd-doc wiki, you can see that mostly
the following use internet (invoke wget) during install:

FProt, ASPI, SCSI (not needed for BIOS drives), USBDOS, VIA (VIA audio)

Also, wget, wattcp, fdstpop, bsflite, lnxsmal, lynx, lynxex, openxp,
vnc, hxrt and arachne can be useful online. XHarbor and OWatcom are
very big (XHarbor also requires OWatcom).

I would recommend to NOT install any of the "use internet during
install" packages initially, as internet connections often hang
at this point. You can add and finetune internet drivers later.
And of course you can download ZIPs with any other system where
the internet does work and then unzip them on your DOS drive :-).

Eric



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[Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

2009-03-19 Thread John Ames
Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I
want to install it on (a 3Com 3C595-TX) does not appear to be recognized by
either the default packet driver or the manufacturer's DOS driver, unless it
requires some fiddling with the PCI arguments (which are, frankly, over my
head.) And a large portion of the packages, including some absolutely
critical ones like the USB mass storage driver, seem to rely on the
installer's ability to use wget to download the latest version off the
Internet. Is there a way around this problem, or am I SOL without a more
commonly-supported network card?
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Reichenbach
Booting without emm386 will work, to make emm386 to work you need the
correct excludes X= or I= but don't ask me further.

After you got it running tell us how well Virtual PC works for your DOS
apps / DOS games, how good is the soundblaster / vga / vesa
implementation? Perhaps I've tested it in past but I do not remember.

-mr

Michael Horvath schrieb:
> Hi!
> 
> I am having trouble with FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007. I am able to 
> install it OK, and two of the three (four?) boot options work.
> 
> 
> 
> Option #2 (the default, and the one that doesn't work) results in the 
> following error:
> 
> "Illegal instruction occured.
> CS= IP=EEC3 SS=D0B4 SP=0004 ES=0070
> ...etc...
> ...etc...
> Aborting program
> EMM386 - unable to continue - Please reboot="
> 
> The last four characters "" are a set of hexadecimal numbers that 
> are change several times each second.
> 
> 
> 
> I am able to boot to the command prompt using options #1 and #3, but am 
> having trouble running software. For instance, I am trying to install 
> the video game "Out of this World", but receive the following errors 
> when running the installation program:
> 
> "Line #1 in batchfile 'A:\INSTALL.BAT' too long"
> 
> If I try to run the setup file directly I get this error:
> 
> "Interrupt divide by zero, stack:
> 091B 04e3 ... ..."
> 
> 
> 
> I also am unable to read the SimCity installation disk in FreeDOS. I am 
> able to mount the drive and change drive letters, but when I try to 
> retrieve the directory contents using the DIR command I get this error:
> 
> "Volume in drive A Error reading from drive A: DOS error: sector not found"
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some details regarding my host system:
> AMD Sempron 3000+
> 1.5GB RAM
> Windows XP Home
> GeForce 4 TI
> Plenty of free hard disk space
> Onboard sound/networking
> Samsung DVD writer
> SuperDisk IDE drive for reading floppies
> 
> Details regarding my virtual system:
> Virtual PC 2007
> 128MB RAM
> 8MB video RAM
> 1MB code cache
> 1GB hard disk space
> Video mode: Text mode, 640 x 400 x 0
> 
> 
> 
> I'd appreciate any help you could provide.
> 
> -Mike
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problems

2009-03-19 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Usul,

> Hello I am having problems installing the current version.
> I get everything completed and it seems to be ok,
> fdisked and set 2g to the os as primary partition, active

You can easily use more with FAT32 and LBA...

> and after booting from the CD Rom I can go to the c:
> and see all the files including the system ones.

> but when I try and boot from the harddrive after I go
> through all the system checks I get a blank screen.
> no cursor, no beeps etc nothing.

> If I then boot from the cd I can see everything on the harddrive.

Please explain what "all the system checks" means, do
you get only the BIOS init or do you get at least some
message like "FreeDOS" or "Initdisk" before the blank?

Sometimes harddisks come with non-bootable MBRs, then
marking as active is not enough. You could do something
like "FDISK /MBR" but be aware that this will often
destroy other boot menus such as GRUB... Which in turn
can be fixed by re-installing GRUB, of course ;-). It
is also possible that the "SYS C:" part somehow failed
but then you can just run SYS C: manually once more.

To check whether your C: drive is SYSed with FreeDOS,
use the tool OSCHECK from your install CD or from WWW.

Eric :-)


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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Horvath
Hi!

I am having trouble with FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007. I am able to 
install it OK, and two of the three (four?) boot options work.



Option #2 (the default, and the one that doesn't work) results in the 
following error:

"Illegal instruction occured.
CS= IP=EEC3 SS=D0B4 SP=0004 ES=0070
...etc...
...etc...
Aborting program
EMM386 - unable to continue - Please reboot="

The last four characters "" are a set of hexadecimal numbers that 
are change several times each second.



I am able to boot to the command prompt using options #1 and #3, but am 
having trouble running software. For instance, I am trying to install 
the video game "Out of this World", but receive the following errors 
when running the installation program:

"Line #1 in batchfile 'A:\INSTALL.BAT' too long"

If I try to run the setup file directly I get this error:

"Interrupt divide by zero, stack:
091B 04e3 ... ..."



I also am unable to read the SimCity installation disk in FreeDOS. I am 
able to mount the drive and change drive letters, but when I try to 
retrieve the directory contents using the DIR command I get this error:

"Volume in drive A Error reading from drive A: DOS error: sector not found"



Here are some details regarding my host system:
AMD Sempron 3000+
1.5GB RAM
Windows XP Home
GeForce 4 TI
Plenty of free hard disk space
Onboard sound/networking
Samsung DVD writer
SuperDisk IDE drive for reading floppies

Details regarding my virtual system:
Virtual PC 2007
128MB RAM
8MB video RAM
1MB code cache
1GB hard disk space
Video mode: Text mode, 640 x 400 x 0



I'd appreciate any help you could provide.

-Mike

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Re: [Freedos-user] unload previsiously loaded exe and sys on fdconfig.sys

2009-03-19 Thread Eric Auer

Hi,

> I want free some freedos memory after using a packet driver
> and others sys (under fdconfig.sys) and exe (like doskey).

I recommend to have 2 different config sys menu items:
With and without internet :-). Doskey should not be
necessary, FreeCOM and 4DOS have built-in history...

> There are any way to unload programs without reboot?

Some tools which work with "snapshot and restore" of some
system state can do this, and some "drivers" have a built-
in unload option, but it is easier and more stable in the
result to just reboot. Booting DOS only takes seconds :-)

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] unload previsiously loaded exe and sys on fdconfig.sys

2009-03-19 Thread Christian Masloch
Hi,

> I want free some freedos memory after using a packet driver and others  
> sys
> (under fdconfig.sys) and exe (like doskey).
> There are any way to unload programs without reboot?

The best method is to use programs that provide unloading as option so  
that they can properly unload themself. If you have to use a program  
without such an option you may want to try out the TSR Utilities (freeware  
without source code) which save some important system data before you  
install the program, then try to unload the program later by restoring  
this data. This method doesn't work for all programs so you have to be  
careful with it. I think the TSR Utilities don't work with programs loaded  
in FDCONFIG.SYS but you could try whether that program can be loaded by  
DEVLOAD (on Eric's site, or on the FreeDOS software page) instead.

Regards,
Christian

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[Freedos-user] Installation Problems

2009-03-19 Thread usul
Hello I am having problems installing the current version.
I get everything completed and it seems to be ok,
fdisked and set 2g to the os as primary partition, active
and after booting from the CD Rom I can go to the c:
and see all the files including the system ones.

but when I try and boot from the harddrive after I go through all the system
checks
I get a blank screen. no cursor, no beeps etc nothing.
If I then boot from the cd I can see everything on the harddrive.

I tried out of fustration to install Puppy Linux. and that worked.
Could it be working because Puppy did something else to the mbr or because
of grub the bootloader?
any thoughts here?

it is a
Fujitsu LifeBook 770Tx
With an additional memory card, maxed out memory
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[Freedos-user] unload previsiously loaded exe and sys on fdconfig.sys

2009-03-19 Thread Fabrício Ceolin
Hi,

I want free some freedos memory after using a packet driver and others sys
(under fdconfig.sys) and exe (like doskey).
There are any way to unload programs without reboot?

Thanks!
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos needs hardware testing tools...

2009-03-19 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

> Something specific to my hardware on my 486 DX2 66 must be causing
> fdupdate to crash, but there seem to be no diagnosis tools to find
> out what that is.  Please rectify this problem.  I want something
> that detects resource conflicts, flaky memory, etcetera.

First try to boot without loading (J)EMM386, a common cause of
problems is a bad default EMM386 configuration which makes UMB
space available for DOS in areas that should stay reserved for
something else, such as BIOS or extension cards. You can use a
tool like PCISLEEP to get a list of devices. The Quarterdeck MFT
Manifest tool is also freeware by now, might be useful even if
it is not hardware oriented. Similar to a very extended MEM :-)

There is also a RAM/resource info tool from Japheth that can be
used to debug the autoconfig abilities of JEMM386, if you can
not find it on (www) japheth.de you can always ask him by mail.

Eric

PS: For flaky memory, run MEMTEST86 or MEMTEST86+. There is also
a version that can be started from DOS called MEMTESTE. Note that
it can only start if no EMM386 is loaded. It works best if you do
not load any other drivers at all before starting MEMTESTE...


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[Freedos-user] Freedos needs hardware testing tools...

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Robinson
Something specific to my hardware on my 486 DX2 66 must be causing
fdupdate to crash, but there seem to be no diagnosis tools to find
out what that is.  Please rectify this problem.  I want something
that detects resource conflicts, flaky memory, etcetera.


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