Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 06:25:58 Denis wrote:
> > > While on the subject, I ran a pretend on revdep-rebuild, and it's
> > > complaining about some broken libraries in GCC...
> >
> > [SNIP]
> >
> > >   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcjawt.la (requires
> > > /usr/lib/lib-gnu-java-awt-peer-gtk.la)
> > >   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.la (requires
> > > /usr/lib/libgcj.la)
> >
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728#c29
>
> Oh fun!  found me a bug...  which is still "open" for over a year...
> It's funny how my other Gentoo box doesnt have any broken GCC
> libraries (although also upgraded to GCC 4.1.2) but instead has a
> broken GIMP library that needs libexif.so.10.

Those two .la files only exist when the gcj use flag is enabled for gcc.

> So...  edit the *.la files or create symlinks? ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Denis

> While on the subject, I ran a pretend on revdep-rebuild, and it's
> complaining about some broken libraries in GCC...
[SNIP]
>   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcjawt.la (requires
> /usr/lib/lib-gnu-java-awt-peer-gtk.la)
>   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.la (requires
> /usr/lib/libgcj.la)

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728#c29


Oh fun!  found me a bug...  which is still "open" for over a year...
It's funny how my other Gentoo box doesnt have any broken GCC
libraries (although also upgraded to GCC 4.1.2) but instead has a
broken GIMP library that needs libexif.so.10.

So...  edit the *.la files or create symlinks? ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 05:53:08 Denis wrote:
> On 5/30/07, Ric de France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think what is more useful is --prune (I'm guessing as I'm not in
> > front of a Gentoo box at the moment). I usually try:

--prune makes no checks of what's still required.

[SNIP]
> But doesn't --prune just remove all but the most recent installation
> of a given package?

Yes.

> While on the subject, I ran a pretend on revdep-rebuild, and it's
> complaining about some broken libraries in GCC...
[SNIP]
>   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcjawt.la (requires
> /usr/lib/lib-gnu-java-awt-peer-gtk.la)
>   broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.la (requires
> /usr/lib/libgcj.la)

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728#c29

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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Denis

On 5/30/07, Ric de France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think what is more useful is --prune (I'm guessing as I'm not in
front of a Gentoo box at the moment). I usually try:

# emerge -Pp


Here's the output:

myhost etc # emerge -Pp


These are the packages that would be unmerged:


dev-java/java-config
   selected: 2.0.32
  protected: 1.3.7
omitted: none

sys-devel/automake
   selected: 1.10 1.6.3 1.7.9-r1
  protected: 1.9.6-r2
omitted: none

sys-devel/autoconf
   selected: 2.61
  protected: 2.13
omitted: none


'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.



But doesn't --prune just remove all but the most recent installation
of a given package?

While on the subject, I ran a pretend on revdep-rebuild, and it's
complaining about some broken libraries in GCC...

langevin etc # revdep-rebuild -p -v
Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild

Environment mismatch from previous run, deleting temporary files...

Checking reverse dependencies...

Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update
will be emerged.

Collecting system binaries and libraries... done.
 (/root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files)

Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH... done.
 (/root/.revdep-rebuild.2_ldpath)

Checking dynamic linking consistency...
 broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcjawt.la (requires
/usr/lib/lib-gnu-java-awt-peer-gtk.la)
 broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.la (requires
/usr/lib/libgcj.la)
done.
 (/root/.revdep-rebuild.3_rebuild)

Assigning files to ebuilds... done.
 (/root/.revdep-rebuild.4_ebuilds)

Evaluating package order... done.
 (/root/.revdep-rebuild.5_order)

All prepared. Starting rebuild...
emerge --oneshot -p -v =sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2  USE="fortran gcj gtk mudflap nls
(-altivec) -bootstrap -build -d -doc (-hardened) (-ip28) (-ip32r10k)
(-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64) -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc
-test -vanilla" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
Now you can remove -p (or --pretend) from arguments and re-run revdep-rebuild.


I'm a little uneasy doing a --oneshot emerge of GCC when I just
recompiled my system twice...  I'm not sure how that will affect my
GCC upgrades in the future.  I only upgraded a minor version of GCC,
too.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:43:07 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > There could be other multi-version
> > packages...  Is this normal for portage that is configured to
> > autoclean?
>
> Yes.  Autoclean doesn't uninstall versions in a different slot.  I'm not
> sure about depclean.

With the latest versions of portage --depclean does clean unneeded slots for 
packages not in system or world. Since system and world doesn't support 
specifying slots it can't do it for those though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Ric de France

Hi,

On 31/05/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There could be other multi-version
> packages...  Is this normal for portage that is configured to
> autoclean?

Yes.  Autoclean doesn't uninstall versions in a different slot.  I'm not sure
about depclean.


I think what is more useful is --prune (I'm guessing as I'm not in
front of a Gentoo box at the moment). I usually try:

# emerge -Pp

to see all the possible "pruning" that can be done. Then individually
prune packages using:

# emerge -P 

I'm sure there's a better way to do things. Also be sure to follow up
a prune with a "deep world" emerge, ie.:

# emerge -DNuva world

It'll make sure if you prune something like automake that isn't back /
forth - compatible will be restored to your system.

HTH,

Ric
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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:57:53 Paul Varner wrote:
> > But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses
> > with --package-names because of the lack of support for the
> > =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still
> > supports.. :)
>
> Hey, I'm proud of that horrible hack!

Didn't say you shouldn't be. It was necessary when you made it.

> However, on that note, I can't wait to get rid of it and use the
> =category/package-version:slot syntax. I've been strongly thinking of
> doing it in 0.2.4 which is in the pre-release cycle right now.

The equal sign was a mistake. I've actually been meaning to poke you about 
that. At the same time you should drop the --emptytree parsing and just 
use --deep directly. With the circular deps in the tree now that gets much 
better results.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:37:52 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> If it's really useful, it should be chmod'd +x and installed or linked
> into /usr/sbin.  I can do that myself (in that case /usr/local/sbin), but
> such wonderful utilities shouldn't be hidden. :)

I can't really disagree with that, heh. It has been added to the faq though, 
however, it won't go online till the next release.

> > It does still lack a couple of features though.
> > Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild
> > for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to
> > come.
>
> I noticed it was also trying to reinstall all my binary-only packages:
> sun-jdk, blackdown-jdk, skype, and emul-linux-x86-compat.  I guess
> revdep-rebuild has some blacklist that prevents it from doing so.

Ah yeah, forgot that one. It doesn't parse the variables that control where 
revdep-rebuild should and shouldn't look and what libs it should ignore. 
Instead it iterates over each installed package and runs ldd on every *.la 
and *.so* file.

> > But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses
> > with --package-names because of the lack of support for the
> > =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still
> > supports.. :)
>
> You mean that portage actually supports slot deps now?

Yes. There shouldn't have been an equal sign though. Using it in the tree is 
against policy, however, until we get an EAPI bump. But the new 
python-updater does take advantage of it and drops the horrible hacks it used 
to use. Also because portage has become much better at figuring out the build 
order with --deep when handed a list of broken packages in random order. 

Really dropping the horrible hacks in revdep-rebuild would be easy when just 
raising the dependency on portage to >=2.1.2.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Paul Varner
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 04:20 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses 
> with --package-names because of the lack of support for the 
> =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still 
> supports.. :)

Hey, I'm proud of that horrible hack!

However, on that note, I can't wait to get rid of it and use the
=category/package-version:slot syntax. I've been strongly thinking of
doing it in 0.2.4 which is in the pre-release cycle right now.

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:23:00 Denis wrote:
> Why are there multiple versions of java-config, autoconf, and
> automake shown on my system?

They are incompatible, slotted, and each slot is individually required (or was 
at some time).

> There could be other multi-version 
> packages...  Is this normal for portage that is configured to
> autoclean?

Yes.  Autoclean doesn't uninstall versions in a different slot.  I'm not sure 
about depclean.

> If so, I find it rather interesting that packages would 
> depend on so many different versions of automake, for instance!

HA.  autohell is that way because there's little backward or forward 
compatibility.  (Well, that and m4.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:20:52 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:09:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of
> > the standard $PATH directories.  Instead, it's in a "demo" directory.  Is
> > it fully functional?
>
> Yes. You run it with ruby.

Yeah, I figured a .rb was run with ruby. :P

If it's really useful, it should be chmod'd +x and installed or linked 
into /usr/sbin.  I can do that myself (in that case /usr/local/sbin), but 
such wonderful utilities shouldn't be hidden. :)

> It does still lack a couple of features though. 
> Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild
> for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to
> come.

I noticed it was also trying to reinstall all my binary-only packages: 
sun-jdk, blackdown-jdk, skype, and emul-linux-x86-compat.  I guess 
revdep-rebuild has some blacklist that prevents it from doing so.

> But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses
> with --package-names because of the lack of support for the
> =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still
> supports.. :)

You mean that portage actually supports slot deps now?

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[gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

2007-05-30 Thread Denis

Hi all...

This is the output of "emerge --info" for the Gentoo box that I'm
still configuring - fresh install.  I configured and compiled a
working version of the kernel, configured CFLAGS and USE flags, etc.
I also ran "emerge -eD system" and "emerge -eD world" and updated /etc
configs accordingly.

Now...  Why are there multiple versions of java-config, autoconf, and
automake shown on my system?  There could be other multi-version
packages...  Is this normal for portage that is configured to
autoclean?  If so, I find it rather interesting that packages would
depend on so many different versions of automake, for instance!

Portage 2.1.2.7 (default-linux/x86/2007.0, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.5-r3,
2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU
6600  @ 2.40GHz
Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9
Timestamp of tree: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:50:01 +
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.32
dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r4
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.61
sys-devel/automake:  1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.17-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=prescott -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:09:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the
> standard $PATH directories.  Instead, it's in a "demo" directory.  Is it
> fully functional?

Yes. You run it with ruby. It does still lack a couple of features though.  
Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild for 
an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to come. 

But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses 
with --package-names because of the lack of support for the 
=category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still 
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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 07:20:45 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 05:39:01 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for
> > your environment:
> > a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around)
>
> With the ruby use flag there's check_linkage.rb.

I didn't know about that.  I've been using revdep-rebuild, but having it 
pass "cat-egory/package" as an additional argument to emerge, which cause the 
emerge to fail.  I then run paludis using packages from one of 
revdep-rebuild's temporary files.  Finally I remove revdep-rebuild's 
temporary files.  It's a nasty hack, but it has worked so far.

I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the 
standard $PATH directories.  Instead, it's in a "demo" directory.  Is it 
fully functional?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to mount a bad disk

2007-05-30 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 29 May 2007 22:13:58 -0400
sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark Kirkwood wrote:
> > sean wrote:
> >> I have a Windows XP driver here that belongs to a friend that just
> >> crashed.
> >>
> >> I am trying to figure out if there is some way I can force the
> >> drive to mount on my system so that I can get some data off it for
> >> her.
> >>
> >> Not having much luck, would anyone have any tips as to how I might
> >> be able to make this happen?
> > 
> > What happened when you tried to mount it (and is it formatted NTFS
> > or FATXX)?
> > 
> > If the disk has real errors (i.e bad sectors as opposed to
> > software/windows problems), then app-forensics/autopsy might get the
> > important user data off.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Mark
> 
> Tried to mount it as NTFS.
> 
> Not familiar with this software, will have to check it out.
> 
>   Thanks
>   Sean
There are things you can do if - AND ONLY IF - the drive doesn't work
when used as usual.  Don't try this until you're sure there's no other
option.  Also, I have never done this, but have had it explained to me
by 2 techs, one who owns his own shop, and another who worked
at compUSA, in the tech department, and I belive them. 

The first thing you can try is to freeze the drive.  How to keep the
condensation out, I don't know.. I seem to recall seeing a drive in an
antistatic bag in a freezer but I don't know the details.  hopefully
the internet can fill them in. You might also try keeping it cold with
compressed air cleaning canisters held upside down, or using them for
light cooling by themselves.  Look into it, at any rate, because I
think this one's promising.  

Secondly, a drive sometimes needs a little 'encouragement' before it'll
cough up the data.  Try tapping , nudging, or banging it around a
little before you decide to throw it away.

I certainly hope this helps a bit.  This is of course a last resort --
people are probably going to say it's rediculous, but there's no loss
at the point of your trashing the disk.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] which -march flag to pick for Intel Core 2 Duo in make.conf?

2007-05-30 Thread Dan Farrell
On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:26:32 -0400
Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 5/25/07, Andreas Claesson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Since you (Denis) are doing a lot of mathematical calculations you
> > will probably benefit from running in 64bit mode.
> 
> I often need to run Monte Carlo simulations (in C) which involve a lot
> of array storage and array scanning/searching operations...  I wonder
> what the speed-up would be for those simulations if run under a 64-bit
> mode.  Are there any requirements on how the simulations should be
> programmed in order to take advantage of the 64-bit arch, or is that
> automatically done by the GCC compiler and the kernel?

Would you mind telling us what kind of performance difference you
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Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to swap on a diskless host

2007-05-30 Thread Dan Farrell
On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:21:03 +0200
"Michal 'vorner' Vaner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> AFAIK, I think you do not want to do that.
Not on important boxes, that's for sure!
> First: You need to load the kernel from the swap, in the time it
> loads, you have no running kernel (well, there is a little part, but
> that one has no clue about network).
My observations lead me to believe that, after going into hibernation
with swap suspend, the kernel boots up normally, and it's only at the
point of init running that it really comes 'out' of hibernation.  As
far as running kernel before networking, it's a diskless host so the
kernel does do dhcp configuration at boot time.  
> Second: You do not want swap on nfs, since it is terribly slow, buggy,
> nfs can allocate memory to transfer data and you get a circular
> problem
> - to get a memory, you need to get a memory. And, what if your cat
> steps on the ethernet cable?
Better risk that then constantly be running out of memory.  I haven't
had a single problem with this.  To be fair, it has 1/2 gig of RAM and
only 64M of swap, and although it only uses about a meg, it does use
that up pretty much right away.  
> Third: the suspend does not use swap as a swap, but as a part of a
> disc.
As a block device you might say.  A loop device is a block device like
any other, is it not?  
> You might try suspend to ram, thought. It should work on diskless
> machine as well as on any other.
That is my preferred solution.  Perhaps someday I will get it to work...

Anyhow, Hans-Werner-Hilse already provided a solution, which by the way
I haven't actually implemented, and probably never will, because it's
clearly a convoluted scheme in the first place.  He suggested using an
initrd suspension, since you can get an initrd from a tftp server just
like a kernel image.  

Thanks for the feedback,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage: garbage after EOF

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 31 May 2007 00:34:04 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 23:45:40 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:15:28 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> > > bunzip2: /home/dsl/distfiles/openmotif-2.2.3-r9.tbz2: trailing garbage
> > > after EOF ignored
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > It affects *.tbz2 only.
> >
> > That's correct, portage stores some metadata at the end of the archive.
>
> It doesn't store anything in DISTDIR though. It appears that this file
> should be in PKGDIR.

Ah, the possibility I hadn't thought of is the emul-linux-x86-* packages some 
of which use portage binpkgs in their SRC_URI. In this case it's 
emul-linux-x86-xlibs/emul-linux-x86-xlibs.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage: garbage after EOF

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 23:45:40 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:15:28 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> > bunzip2: /home/dsl/distfiles/openmotif-2.2.3-r9.tbz2: trailing garbage
> > after EOF ignored
> > [...]
> >
> > It affects *.tbz2 only.
>
> That's correct, portage stores some metadata at the end of the archive.

It doesn't store anything in DISTDIR though. It appears that this file should 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Lutz Schönemann
> > Hi,
> 
> 
>  Hi!
> 
>  I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video,
>  music
> > player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control
>  connected
> > to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the
> >> xorg-server
>  not
> > to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a
> >> bluetooth
> > keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming
> >> from
>  this
> > keyboard should be processed.
> >
> > So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?
> 
> 
>  I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in
> >>> your
>  xorg.conf?
> 
> >>> Thats exactly what I'm trying to do: deactivate the keyboard in my
> >>> xorg.conf. But how can I do it?
> >>
> >>
> >> Removing the part in your conifg, I suppose. A question: Don't you want
> to
> >> use the keyboard anymore with X?
> >>
> >> Sven
> > 
> > I suppose you meant the part:
> > 
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > Identifier  "Standard Keyboard"
> > Driver  "kbd"
> > Option  "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
> > Option  "XkbRules" "xorg"
> > Option  "XkbModel" "pc105"
> > Option  "XkbLayout" "de"
> > Option  "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
> > EndSection
> > 
> > If I remove this part from my config X would use a standard
> configuration for keyboads connected to that computer.
> > My goal is that only one keyboard will not work. This way I can use a
> daemon to process events coming from this device.
> 
> I haven't ever tried this, but have you looked into using a keyboard 
> section with an option similar to:
> 
> Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> 
> but replacing /dev/input/mice with the path to the keyboard you *do* 
> want to use (I have no idea what that path would be...)?
> 

Nice idea but after a short test I found out that this configuration doesn't 
work. The path to a keyboard-event ist for example /dev/input/event5 or 
/dev/input/by-id/. The problem is that this device nodes create 
key-press-events, key-release-events and so on.

I think I'll leave the special buttons on the remote control alone and only use 
the arrow and ok keys.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage: garbage after EOF

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:15:28 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:

> bunzip2: /home/dsl/distfiles/openmotif-2.2.3-r9.tbz2: trailing garbage
> after EOF ignored
> [...]
> 
> It affects *.tbz2 only.

That's correct, portage stores some metadata at the end of the archive.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [perhaps OT] ssh from Gentoo into a RedHat server

2007-05-30 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:12, Fabio wrote:
> Hello Mick mic ! :D
>
> On 30/05/07, Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
> > debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
> > debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa
>
> I am not sure if you know the publickey authentication method, so
> there goes an unnecessary explanation:
>
> If you register the id_dsa.pub contents in the file
> /home/mic/.ssh/authorized_keys in the server, then the publickey
> authentication method returns success, what means, you enter the
> server without typing your password. The debug messages suggest that
> publickey method failed because you did not register the key.

Thanks for the explanation.  I had already created an authorized_keys file 
in /home/mic/.ssh and pasted my id_dsa.pub key in there.  Then checked that 
there was nothing untoward in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and restarted the 
sshd service.

> > debug1: Authentications that can continue:
> > publickey,gssapi-with-mic,password debug1: Next authentication method:
> > password
> > ==
> >
> > I find it confusing.  First of all I do not have a id_rsa.
>
> You can generate one with the command ssh-keygen and using the default
> statements.

Sure, but I don't need an rsa key.  I am happy using my dsa key for now.

> > Second, my id_dsa
> > is my private key not my public key.  My public key is id_dsa.pub
>
> No problem, ssh respects that completely.

I know that it does.  What I don't know is why the debug message 
says: "Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa" when id_dsa is a 
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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Mat Harris wrote:
> So from now on I should always install a package with "-meta" if
> its from kde (providing one is available eg. kdevelop)?

Not necessarily.  The meta packages are there to pull in a whole 
group of packages, so you don't have to name them all separately. 
But if you just use a few parts of KDE, you would install just 
those parts.  They will still pull in a lot of dependencies, but 
not everything KDE under the sun.

But back to the segfaults...  Seeing that it also segfaulted on 
kdepim, this really looks like overheating.  Or like bad RAM.  Make 
sure your fans and vents are free of dust, that connectors and RAM 
modules are well seated.  Debian or Red Hat might run without a 
problem, but compiling really heats up a CPU and uses all of the 
memory.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:20:13 -0400, Denis wrote:

> I read the "man make.conf" and also the "make.conf.example".  Seems
> pretty clear, except what is the "qa" option for the
> PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES variable?  And I assume the "info" option logs
> all the green-star stuff at the end of emerge?

qa = Quality Assurance, generally warnings about faulty ebuilds and meant
for developers. warn, error and log should be enough, info contains a lot
of trivial information.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [perhaps OT] ssh from Gentoo into a RedHat server

2007-05-30 Thread Mauro Faccenda
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 16:57, Mick wrote:
> Hi All,
>
[...]
>
> I find it confusing.  First of all I do not have a id_rsa.

it tries the default keys (id_rsa or id_dsa), if exists. if you don't want it 
to try it, you can use the -i parameter to ssh pointing to your private key 
(ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa @),

> Second, my id_dsa is my private key not my public key.  My public key is 
> id_dsa.pub 

but you will need your private key to be authenticated. that's why it is 
*private*.

> Is this a server configuration issue, or something to do with my Gentoo set
> up?

ana in the server you'll need to put your *public* key into 
~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.

> PS. Not sure if this is relevant but although my user name on the server is
> mick, for reasons better known to him the sysadmin has created my home
> directory as /home/mic - could it be that sshd is looking for /home/mick?

that messages isn't from the server, is from client running locally. but it 
doesnt matter for what you want.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [perhaps OT] ssh from Gentoo into a RedHat server

2007-05-30 Thread Fabio

Hello Mick mic ! :D

On 30/05/07, Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi All,
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa

I am not sure if you know the publickey authentication method, so
there goes an unnecessary explanation:

If you register the id_dsa.pub contents in the file
/home/mic/.ssh/authorized_keys in the server, then the publickey
authentication method returns success, what means, you enter the
server without typing your password. The debug messages suggest that
publickey method failed because you did not register the key.


debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,password
debug1: Next authentication method: password
==

I find it confusing.  First of all I do not have a id_rsa.

You can generate one with the command ssh-keygen and using the default
statements.


Second, my id_dsa
is my private key not my public key.  My public key is id_dsa.pub

No problem, ssh respects that completely.


Is this a server configuration issue, or something to do with my Gentoo set
up?

PS. Not sure if this is relevant but although my user name on the server is
mick, for reasons better known to him the sysadmin has created my home
directory as /home/mic - could it be that sshd is looking for /home/mick?

sshd looks into /home/mic on the server side.


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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Mat Harris
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 19:26, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:16:18 Mat Harris wrote:
> > > Don't use --nodeps. That would just make a mess out of [your] system.
> > > If you've installed split kde (kde-meta) then why are you trying to
> > > install monolithic kde packages? I.e. why are you trying to install
> > > kdebase rather than kdebase-meta and kdepim rather than kdepim-meta?
> > > And why are you installing either of those at all when they have
> > > already been pulled in by kde-meta?
> > >
> > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml
> >
> > Aah ok well the howto i found on google didn't mention anything about
> > using meta packages for the apps once i had the base installed. This
> > could explain why I have spent the last week compiling stuff for kde ;)
>
> Well, you only need meta packages if you want to install everything that
> ships together upstream. You could just emerge the split packages you want
> such as e.g. konqueror, kcontrol, etc..
>
> > Ok i'll probably re-install unless there's some easy way to clean up.
>
> There certainly is an easier way than reinstalling for this issue. What
> you've posted thus far actually suggests that you haven't made a mess out
> of your system yet as it showed kdepim and kdebase as not yet installed. In
> that case you just need to stop trying to install monolithic packages.

I have stopped as soon as I read that last email :)

> Otherwise you need to unmerge the monolithic packages you've installed
> with --nodeps and remerge the split packages that they've overwritten. Code
> Listing 3.1 in the above document shows you how to get the name of the
> packages any monolithic package would overwrite.

I am don't seem to have installed many monlithic packages, mainly just trying 
to do kdepim, i did have kdegames but i've got rid of that.

So from now on I should always install a package with "-meta" if its from kde 
(providing one is available eg. kdevelop)?

> E.g. if you've emerged kdebase-meta and kdebase at the same time and you
> want to stick with split packages you can do this:
>
> # emerge -Cva kdebase
> # function die() { echo $@; }
> # source $(portageq portdir)/eclass/kde-functions.eclass
> # emerge --oneshot -va $(get-child-packages kde-base/kdebase)

I don't have kdebase, just kdebase-meta. But i've spent a while compiling kde 
stuff. I will keep checking for others.

Thanks

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[gentoo-user] [perhaps OT] ssh from Gentoo into a RedHat server

2007-05-30 Thread Mick
Hi All,

I am trying to ssh into a RH server (CentOS) using pubkey authentication and 
this is what I am getting back:
==
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,password
debug1: Next authentication method: password
==

I find it confusing.  First of all I do not have a id_rsa.  Second, my id_dsa 
is my private key not my public key.  My public key is id_dsa.pub

Is this a server configuration issue, or something to do with my Gentoo set 
up?

PS. Not sure if this is relevant but although my user name on the server is 
mick, for reasons better known to him the sysadmin has created my home 
directory as /home/mic - could it be that sshd is looking for /home/mick?
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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:16:18 Mat Harris wrote:
> > Don't use --nodeps. That would just make a mess out of [your] system. If
> > you've installed split kde (kde-meta) then why are you trying to install
> > monolithic kde packages? I.e. why are you trying to install kdebase
> > rather than kdebase-meta and kdepim rather than kdepim-meta? And why are
> > you installing either of those at all when they have already been pulled
> > in by kde-meta?
> >
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml
>
> Aah ok well the howto i found on google didn't mention anything about using
> meta packages for the apps once i had the base installed. This could
> explain why I have spent the last week compiling stuff for kde ;)

Well, you only need meta packages if you want to install everything that ships 
together upstream. You could just emerge the split packages you want such as 
e.g. konqueror, kcontrol, etc..

> Ok i'll probably re-install unless there's some easy way to clean up.

There certainly is an easier way than reinstalling for this issue. What you've 
posted thus far actually suggests that you haven't made a mess out of your 
system yet as it showed kdepim and kdebase as not yet installed. In that case 
you just need to stop trying to install monolithic packages.

Otherwise you need to unmerge the monolithic packages you've installed 
with --nodeps and remerge the split packages that they've overwritten. Code 
Listing 3.1 in the above document shows you how to get the name of the 
packages any monolithic package would overwrite.

E.g. if you've emerged kdebase-meta and kdebase at the same time and you want 
to stick with split packages you can do this:

# emerge -Cva kdebase
# function die() { echo $@; }
# source $(portageq portdir)/eclass/kde-functions.eclass
# emerge --oneshot -va $(get-child-packages kde-base/kdebase)

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[gentoo-user] Portage: garbage after EOF

2007-05-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Hi!

As part of some testing I've decompressed my distfiles into another directory.  
I've done it that way:

cp /usr/src/portage/distfiles/*.tar.bz2 /home/dsl/distfiles && 
bunzip2 /home/dsl/distfiles/*.tar.bz2 && 
cp /usr/src/portage/distfiles/*.tbz2 /home/dsl/distfiles && 
bunzip2 /home/dsl/distfiles/*.tbz2 &&
cp /usr/src/portage/distfiles/*.tar.gz /home/dsl/distfiles && 
gunzip /home/dsl/distfiles/*.tar.gz &&
cp /usr/src/portage/distfiles/*.tgz /home/dsl/distfiles && 
gunzip /home/dsl/distfiles/*.tgz

I've got some weird errors:

[...]
bunzip2: /home/dsl/distfiles/arts-3.5.5.tbz2: trailing garbage after EOF 
ignored

bunzip2: /home/dsl/distfiles/openmotif-2.2.3-r9.tbz2: trailing garbage after 
EOF ignored
[...]

It affects *.tbz2 only.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread darren kirby
quoth the kashani:
> darren kirby wrote:
> > quoth the Sven Köhler:
> >>> It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it
> >>> reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are
> >>> the default is to send most everything to messages
> >>
> >> Yes, that's the default.
> >>
> >> And actually, i don't want to configure all my machines. I would prefer
> >> a more suitable default config.
> >
> > You're using the wrong OS then ;)
> >
> > Is it really too hard to copy and paste the config from the quickstart
> > guide that Galevsky posted a link to?
> >
> > -d
>
>   Sane defaults, which Gentoo has most of the time, would be nice in this
> case. Oddly Gentoo used to include a nice syslog-ng.conf back in
> 2003/2004 which was dropped in favor of the current lobotomized conf file.
>
> kashani

Perhaps we need an enhancement bug. See if it gains any traction. I can only 
imagine that the syslog-ng dev(s) thinks /var/log/messages alone is the sane 
default. 

Oh, here it is:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108313

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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Mat Harris
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 18:01, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 May 2007 19:34:49 Mat Harris wrote:
> > It appears I may have more of a problem than I thought. By the way I
> > installed kdebase-meta I believe (as the kde howto suggested) but now
> > when trying to install most kde apps I have to do --nodeps otherwise i
> > get this:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > [ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4  USE="arts cups opengl pam
> > ssl -debug -hal -ieee1394 -java -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility
> > -ldap -lm_sensors -logitech-mouse -openexr -samba -xcomposite -xinerama
> > -xscreensaver -zeroconf" 0 kB
> > [ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4  USE="arts
> > crypt -debug -gnokii -kdeenablefinal -pda -xinerama" 0 kB
> > [blocks B     ] =kde-base/kcheckpass-3.5* (is blocking
> > kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
>
> [SNIP]
>
> > =kde-base/libkdenetwork-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4)
>
> [SNIP]
>
> Don't use --nodeps. That would just make a mess out of just system. If
> you've installed split kde (kde-meta) then why are you trying to install
> monolithic kde packages? I.e. why are you trying to install kdebase rather
> than kdebase-meta and kdepim rather than kdepim-meta? And why are you
> installing either of those at all when they have already been pulled in by
> kde-meta?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml


Aah ok well the howto i found on google didn't mention anything about using 
meta packages for the apps once i had the base installed. This could explain 
why I have spent the last week compiling stuff for kde ;)

Ok i'll probably re-install unless there's some easy way to clean up.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 20:01:43 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> > [...] By the way I installed kdebase-meta I believe [...]
[SNIP]
> And why are you installing either of those at all when they have already
> been pulled in by kde-meta?

Heh, I somehow read kdebase-meta as kde-meta... Disregard that question then..

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Sven Köhler:
> > It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it
> > reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are
> > the default is to send most everything to messages
>
> Yes, that's the default.
>
> And actually, i don't want to configure all my machines. I would prefer
> a more suitable default config.

You're using the wrong OS then ;)

Is it really too hard to copy and paste the config from the quickstart guide 
that Galevsky posted a link to? 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

2007-05-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 02:45 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I think that once my internet access becomes functional (even then it
> will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see how well the
> gmane page loads for me. :)  I will use it to read the messages, and
> email to post.
>


How do they find out if you're using IE or anything else?
AFAIK it is possible to make Firefox identify as IE (or any other browser for 
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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Denis

I read the "man make.conf" and also the "make.conf.example".  Seems
pretty clear, except what is the "qa" option for the
PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES variable?  And I assume the "info" option logs
all the green-star stuff at the end of emerge?
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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Mat Harris
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 10:22, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Mat Harris wrote:
> > My only little problem is that when I try to emerge AbiWord
> > (2.4.5-r1), it compiles fine but when it tries to install to
> > files into the real filesystem it segfaults like so:
> > [...]
> >
>  /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_Options.glade
>  /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_WordCount.glade
>  /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_Styles.glade
> >
> > Segmentation fault
>
> This is repeatable?  That is, it happens every time at the same
> spot when you try to emerge abiword?  If not, it sounds like an
> overheating problem.  Also look in your syslog for disk errors.

Yes it happens at the same place every time (I have tried to merge it about 3 
times just now).

Nothing appears in the logfiles to indicate any disc based problems. 

> Otherwise, try removing /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4 and then fsck'ing
> your file system before attempting a merge again.  And check there
> is enough space left on the device.

I was about to try that then I found that kdepim which I left last night to 
compile has seg faulted too but not in the same place:

i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../libkcal 
-I../libemailfunctions -I.. -I../libkdepim -I/usr/kde/3.5/include 
-I/usr/qt/3/include -I.   -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT  -D_REENTRANT 
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 
-D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W 
-Wpointer-arith -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -Wformat-security 
-Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new 
-fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT 
-DQT_NO_TRANSLATION  -c -o 
konsolekalendarvariables.o konsolekalendarvariables.cpp
i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus)
Please submit a full bug report.
See http://bugs.gentoo.org/> for instructions.
make[3]: *** [konsolekalendardelete.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4/work/kdepim-3.5.5/konsolekalendar'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4/work/kdepim-3.5.5/konsolekalendar'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4/work/kdepim-3.5.5'
make: *** [all] Error 2



It appears I may have more of a problem than I thought. By the way I installed 
kdebase-meta I believe (as the kde howto suggested) but now when trying to 
install most kde apps I have to do --nodeps otherwise i get this:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N] kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4  USE="arts cups opengl pam 
ssl -debug -hal -ieee1394 -java -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -ldap 
-lm_sensors -logitech-mouse -openexr -samba -xcomposite -xinerama -xscreensaver 
-zeroconf" 
0 kB
[ebuild  N] kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5-r4  USE="arts 
crypt -debug -gnokii -kdeenablefinal -pda -xinerama" 0 kB
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kcheckpass-3.5* (is blocking 
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kwin-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/konqueror-3.5* (is blocking 
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/ksmserver-3.5* (is blocking 
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B ] =kde-base/ksysguard-3.5* (is blocking 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]

2007-05-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> That is exactly what the xorg-x11 metapackage is designed to do.

Not exactly. The xorg-x11 package pulls in much more than 
just the server w/ some drivers.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Xserver @ oss-qm overlay [WAS: Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies ...]

2007-05-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:49:31 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> 
> > The circular dependencies between Xserver and drivers do not come 
> > from upstream. They're artificial. If we just want an simple-to-use
> > package which gets the Xserver *and* drivers based on useflags
> > (which IMHO is an good idea), it's quite trivial to do this by an 
> > virtual/meta package. I've did it and it works good. You can get
> > it from my overlay via CVS:
> 
> How is this different prom portage installing the server and required
> drivers according to USE flag settings?

The difference is that you have *really NO* circular dependency.
PDEPENDS are in fact depencencies (no matter how many people deny
this fact), but with some hint for serialization. An additional
complexity which is not needed with my approach.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

2007-05-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
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> Strictly http and https, and only through Internet Explorer.  

Ugh, why that ? 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Wildcards stopped working

2007-05-30 Thread Grant

> $ ls -l *.torrent
> ls: invalid option -- [
> Try `ls --help' for more information.

Torrent files can have weird names, you probably have one named
"-- [kewl doodz] -- some dodgy file.torrent". The shell is expanding the
wildcard and passing it to ls, which thinks it is an option. The
standard way of avoiding this is to use "ls -l -- *.torrent". The --
tells ls that there are no more options and everything else is to be
treated as a file.


Works perfectly.  Thanks Neil.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wildcards stopped working

2007-05-30 Thread Grant

> I routinely use commands like this:
>
> ls -l *.torrent
>
> but today I get this:
>
> $ ls -l *.torrent
> ls: invalid option -- [
> Try `ls --help' for more information.
>
> I get similar results when trying to use wildcards with scp.  Did an
> update change this behavior for anyone else?

You probably have a dodgy alias with a [ in it

See if '/bin/ls -l *.torrent' gives different results. If so, check
what 'alias ls' returns


Hi Alan,

I get:

$ /bin/ls -l *.torrent
/bin/ls: invalid option -- [
Try `/bin/ls --help' for more information.
$ alias ls
alias ls='ls --color=auto'

Gimp stopped working last night too.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wildcards stopped working

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 May 2007 07:25:51 -0700, Grant wrote:

> $ ls -l *.torrent
> ls: invalid option -- [
> Try `ls --help' for more information.

Torrent files can have weird names, you probably have one named
"-- [kewl doodz] -- some dodgy file.torrent". The shell is expanding the
wildcard and passing it to ls, which thinks it is an option. The
standard way of avoiding this is to use "ls -l -- *.torrent". The --
tells ls that there are no more options and everything else is to be
treated as a file.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Wildcards stopped working

2007-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 30 May 2007, Grant wrote:
> I routinely use commands like this:
>
> ls -l *.torrent
>
> but today I get this:
>
> $ ls -l *.torrent
> ls: invalid option -- [
> Try `ls --help' for more information.
>
> I get similar results when trying to use wildcards with scp.  Did an
> update change this behavior for anyone else?

You probably have a dodgy alias with a [ in it

See if '/bin/ls -l *.torrent' gives different results. If so, check 
what 'alias ls' returns

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[gentoo-user] Wildcards stopped working

2007-05-30 Thread Grant

I routinely use commands like this:

ls -l *.torrent

but today I get this:

$ ls -l *.torrent
ls: invalid option -- [
Try `ls --help' for more information.

I get similar results when trying to use wildcards with scp.  Did an
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Re: [gentoo-user] XFS problems

2007-05-30 Thread Jules Colding
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 08:24 -0400, Randy Barlow wrote:
> Jules Colding wrote:
> > May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156355] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
> > 0x00040001
> > May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156423] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, 
> > sector 97564151
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996196] I/O error in filesystem ("sdb1") 
> > meta-data dev sdb1 block 0x88b5ac3   ("xlog_iodone") error 5 buf count 
> > 11776
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996210] xfs_force_shutdown(sdb1,0x2) called 
> > from line 960 of file fs/xfs/xfs_log.c.  Return address = 0x80398b06
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996299] Filesystem "sdb1": Log I/O Error 
> > Detected.  Shutting down filesystem: sdb1
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996305] Please umount the filesystem, and 
> > rectify the problem(s)
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996983] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
> > 0x00040001
> > May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996986] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, 
> > sector 63
> 
> Those to me look like you are having hardware issues...

My guess too, but I'm confused by the fact that these problems continue
even though I've put the only disk reported to have errors offline. Can
an offline disk provoke errors in the remaining array?

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] XFS problems

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Barlow

Jules Colding wrote:

May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156355] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156423] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
97564151
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996196] I/O error in filesystem ("sdb1") meta-data dev sdb1 
block 0x88b5ac3   ("xlog_iodone") error 5 buf count 11776
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996210] xfs_force_shutdown(sdb1,0x2) called from 
line 960 of file fs/xfs/xfs_log.c.  Return address = 0x80398b06
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996299] Filesystem "sdb1": Log I/O Error Detected. 
 Shutting down filesystem: sdb1
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996305] Please umount the filesystem, and rectify 
the problem(s)
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996983] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996986] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 63


Those to me look like you are having hardware issues...

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Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)

2007-05-30 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 05:39:01 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for
> your environment: binary packages (both building and using)

True. And it misses pkgmoves and slotmoves (profiles/updates/*).

> and a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around)

With the ruby use flag there's check_linkage.rb.

> AND you can't "simply" switch between using paludis and emerge/portage; they
> use the same VDB, but repositories are configured differently

So if you want to use both at the same time you can either keep their configs 
synchronized manually or use the portage use flag for paludis and run it 
with '-E portage' (the latter loses features though).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Barlow

Lutz Schönemann wrote:

Hi,



Hi!

I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video,
music

player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control

connected

to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the

xorg-server

not

to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a

bluetooth

keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming

from

this

keyboard should be processed.

So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?



I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in

your

xorg.conf?


Thats exactly what I'm trying to do: deactivate the keyboard in my
xorg.conf. But how can I do it?



Removing the part in your conifg, I suppose. A question: Don't you want to
use the keyboard anymore with X?

Sven


I suppose you meant the part:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Standard Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
Option  "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "de"
Option  "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

If I remove this part from my config X would use a standard configuration for 
keyboads connected to that computer.
My goal is that only one keyboard will not work. This way I can use a daemon to 
process events coming from this device.


I haven't ever tried this, but have you looked into using a keyboard 
section with an option similar to:


Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"

but replacing /dev/input/mice with the path to the keyboard you *do* 
want to use (I have no idea what that path would be...)?


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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Barlow

Mat Harris wrote:

/usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_WordCount.glade
/usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_Styles.glade

Segmentation fault


Does this happen with any other packages or only AbiWord?

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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Anno v. Heimburg
Sven Köhler wrote:

> But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
> to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
> layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
> default setting.

Okay, in that case, I'll say that metalog has a very-sensible-to-me default
setting, tweaking which I resisted for quite some time. What seems sensible
to me might be lunacy to you, however, so have a go at it and see for
yourself.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Galevsky

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Syslog-ng

Is that kind of conf (described in Quick Start section) far away from
what you are looking for ?

Gal'

2007/5/30, Sven Köhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
> layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
> daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?

Last sysklogd version if from 2001.
And portage contains 1.4.2_pre2007* versions. This was curious to me.

And on the other hand, other distributions don't use sysklogd anymore.
Instead they use syslog-ng, for example.

But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
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Re: [gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Lutz Schönemann
> > > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video,
> > > music
> > > > player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control
> > > connected
> > > > to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the
> xorg-server
> > > not
> > > > to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a
> bluetooth
> > > > keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming
> from
> > > this
> > > > keyboard should be processed.
> > > >
> > > > So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in
> > your
> > > xorg.conf?
> > >
> >
> > Thats exactly what I'm trying to do: deactivate the keyboard in my
> > xorg.conf. But how can I do it?
> 
> 
> 
> Removing the part in your conifg, I suppose. A question: Don't you want to
> use the keyboard anymore with X?
> 
> Sven

I suppose you meant the part:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Standard Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
Option  "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "de"
Option  "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

If I remove this part from my config X would use a standard configuration for 
keyboads connected to that computer.
My goal is that only one keyboard will not work. This way I can use a daemon to 
process events coming from this device.
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Re: [gentoo-user] seg fault emerging abiword

2007-05-30 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Mat Harris wrote:
> My only little problem is that when I try to emerge AbiWord
> (2.4.5-r1), it compiles fine but when it tries to install to
> files into the real filesystem it segfaults like so:
> [...]
 /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_Options.glade
 /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_WordCount.glade
 /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/AbiWord/glade/ap_UnixDialog_Styles.glade
> Segmentation fault

This is repeatable?  That is, it happens every time at the same 
spot when you try to emerge abiword?  If not, it sounds like an 
overheating problem.  Also look in your syslog for disk errors.

Otherwise, try removing /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4 and then fsck'ing 
your file system before attempting a merge again.  And check there 
is enough space left on the device.

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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Köhler
I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
> layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
> daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?

Last sysklogd version if from 2001.
And portage contains 1.4.2_pre2007* versions. This was curious to me.

And on the other hand, other distributions don't use sysklogd anymore.
Instead they use syslog-ng, for example.

But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
default setting.



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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On 5/29/07, Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I usually dread kernel updates because then I have to go
> > through kernel menuconfig all over again, and for me, that
> > takes some time.  I guess one can reuse the old .config file,
> > but I understand it's not always a safe thing to do.
>
> You can use the old .config safely if you "make oldconfig" before
> anything else.  It will prompt you for replies to any new things,
> and quietly ditch anything it doesn't recognize.

And this can ditch needed options when they get renamed or replaced, 
like happened with the netfilter stuff on the upgrade to 2.6.17, 
and with some IDE/ATA stuff on the upgrade to 2.6.20.  Just running 
'make oldconfig' on a 2.6.x to 2.6.y upgrade will not always give 
you a fully working kernel.

> > Is it reasonably ok to wait for every "major" 2.6.x release to
> > update, or is it necessary to update on every minor 2.6.x.y
> > release also?

If your kernel does everything you need and you are content with its 
performance, there's no need to upgrade to a new 2.6.y.  Just put a 
~sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.y into /etc/portage/package.mask and 
forget about it.  But the -rn upgrades for your current version you 
normally _do want to install because they fix serious bugs.  Often 
those bugs affect only specific hardware, but there's no harm in 
blindly upgrading: these little rev bumps _are safe.

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Re: [gentoo-user] which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 30 May 2007, Sven Köhler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> so until recently, i have been using sysklogd. So i had my auth.log,
> mail.log, syslog, messages, etc. in /var/log.
>
> Now i switched to syslog-ng. Now, only /var/log/messages gets filled
> with all, that i would expect in auth.log or mail.log.

Did you configure syslog-ng correctly?

It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it 
reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are 
the default is to send most everything to messages

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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Anno v. Heimburg
Sven Köhler wrote:
> So the next thing i could try is metalog.
> 
> Does it have a nice default config?

I think so, but I did modify it to better suit my needs. It doesn't need
logrotate, which IMHO is a big plus, and I find its filters much easier to
set up than syslog-ng's. I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?

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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Eray Aslan
On 30.05.2007 10:21, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> This runs in the early hours, so I can read it whenever it suits me during
> the day and apply the changes as I want. I run testing, so frequent
> updating is a good thing; with a stable system, weekly would be fine, but
> the longer you leave it the more work is involved.

I find that there are 2 problem-free approaches to updating.  Either you
update frequently or you "forklift" update the server, i.e. get the
server out of the server room and install a new machine.

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[gentoo-user] XFS problems

2007-05-30 Thread Jules Colding
Hi,

My XFS problems continue. Now I got this in my log. Do I have big
hardware problems or is this software? It happened under a fairly big
VMware clone operation.

Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
  jules


May 30 10:29:27 omc-2 spamd[5932]: prefork: child states: II
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156355] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156423] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
97564151
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156509] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156512] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
97563767
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.157103] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.157107] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
97563767
May 30 10:29:41 omc-2 [10822.969946] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:41 omc-2 [10822.969969] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
71411967
May 30 10:29:41 omc-2 [10822.970584] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:41 omc-2 [10822.970594] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
71411967
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996111] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996140] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 
143350530
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996196] I/O error in filesystem ("sdb1") meta-data 
dev sdb1 block 0x88b5ac3   ("xlog_iodone") error 5 buf count 11776
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996210] xfs_force_shutdown(sdb1,0x2) called from 
line 960 of file fs/xfs/xfs_log.c.  Return address = 0x80398b06
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996299] Filesystem "sdb1": Log I/O Error Detected. 
 Shutting down filesystem: sdb1
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996305] Please umount the filesystem, and rectify 
the problem(s)
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996983] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 
0x00040001
May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996986] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 63


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[gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Braun

On 5/30/07, "Lutz Schönemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> > Hi,
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video,
> music
> > player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control
> connected
> > to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the xorg-server
> not
> > to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a bluetooth
> > keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming from
> this
> > keyboard should be processed.
> >
> > So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?
>
>
>
> I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in
your
> xorg.conf?
>

Thats exactly what I'm trying to do: deactivate the keyboard in my
xorg.conf. But how can I do it?




Removing the part in your conifg, I suppose. A question: Don't you want to
use the keyboard anymore with X?

Sven


Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to mount a bad disk

2007-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 30 May 2007, sean wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sunday 27 May 2007, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 09:26 -0400, sean wrote:
> >>> I have a Windows XP driver here that belongs to a friend that
> >>> just crashed.
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to figure out if there is some way I can force the
> >>> drive to
> >>> mount on my system so that I can get some data off it for her.
> >>>
> >>> Not having much luck, would anyone have any tips as to how I
> >>> might be able to make this happen?
> >>
> >> If the drive experienced a head crash, then there is pretty much
> >> nothing you can do.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > If the drive suffered a head crash, you would be amazed what data
> > recovery experts can do.
>
> They are very expensive, if I recall correctly?

If you mean expensive as in the price tag is a largeish number, then the 
answer is yes.

But some data is priceless. One of our notebooks in the office had a 
disk crash two months back, no backups. The final cost was 50% the 
price of a new high end notebook, the cost of never getting that data 
back ever again was the loss of a 7 figure contract. For us, it was 
dirt cheap :-)

If your friend needs to get back data that means something to them but 
is otherwise not valuable, then they might be in for a shock

alan



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[gentoo-user] which syslog?

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Köhler
Hi,

so until recently, i have been using sysklogd. So i had my auth.log,
mail.log, syslog, messages, etc. in /var/log.

Now i switched to syslog-ng. Now, only /var/log/messages gets filled
with all, that i would expect in auth.log or mail.log.

Maybe syslog-ng can be configured to behave like sysklogd. But i would
rather like a default-config that behaves like sysklogd.


So the next thing i could try is metalog.

Does it have a nice default config?



Regards,
  Sven



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X11 from another machine [SOLVED]

2007-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 29 May 2007, Andrew Lowe wrote:
> Sounds simple but the amount of stuffing around I had to do
> before it eventually workedprobably best left unsaid. Anyway,
> thanks to all for the help and here's hoping I get access to SSH the
> next time I have to do anything like this.

It's not all time wasted :-) In fact, I would say you've learned a ton 
of stuff that will stand you in very good stead for the future. You now 
know how to export X11 over the network, which is one of the basic 
things X was designed to do. However, very very very few Linux users 
seem to know how to do it :-)

You know the secret to getting a DM to allow it all in the first place, 
and you also know what to do when ssh capabilities are on the server.

So all round it sounds like a useful exercise you went through. In fact 
it sounds *exactly* like the stuffing around I had to do when I learned 
the same lessons :-)

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Lutz Schönemann
> > Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video,
> music
> > player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control
> connected
> > to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the xorg-server
> not
> > to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a bluetooth
> > keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming from
> this
> > keyboard should be processed.
> >
> > So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?
> 
> 
> 
> I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in your
> xorg.conf?
> 

Thats exactly what I'm trying to do: deactivate the keyboard in my xorg.conf. 
But how can I do it?

> 
> Sven

Lutz

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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread John covici
on Wednesday 05/30/2007 Denis([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote
 > While we're on the subject of administration, I have a question about
 > emerge.  Sometimes emerge would display important information in green
 > or yellow stars after it's finished merging a package - such as
 > warnings or valuable tips.  However, if emerge is processing several
 > packages in a chain, it flashes that information for several seconds
 > and then moves right along to the next package, and usually I'm not
 > fast enough to read/remember it.  Can this information be retrieved?
You can have it saved or mailed to you -- I did not know this for a
while, but it comes in handy -- also you can log the whole thing if
you set PORTAGE_LOGDIR -- for the full details look at
make.conf.example in /etc .

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why doesn't esearch find "exact" packages? [Bug: 180307]

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 29 May 2007 18:41:48 -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> Yes, I can use eix, but I don't have this on all my boxes, nor do I want
> to install it and maintain yet another package cache and all that (for
> example, on a dev VMWare guest that I want to keep as small as
> possible).

So use eix instead of esearch, it is faster and does what you want (eix
-I and eix -e).


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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 May 2007 00:37:16 -0400, Denis wrote:

> While we're on the subject of administration, I have a question about
> emerge.  Sometimes emerge would display important information in green
> or yellow stars after it's finished merging a package - such as
> warnings or valuable tips.  However, if emerge is processing several
> packages in a chain, it flashes that information for several seconds
> and then moves right along to the next package, and usually I'm not
> fast enough to read/remember it.  Can this information be retrieved?

Look at the PORTAGE_ELOG settings in man make.conf and
/etc/make.conf.example .


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Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 29 May 2007 23:05:56 -0400, Denis wrote:

> > I use 'gunzip -c /proc/config.gz > .config && make oldconfig'
> > consistently, never had a problem.  I always keep a working kernel
> > in  
> 
> Oh neat-o!  I didn't know there was a copy of the running config
> in /proc...

It's an option you need to enable in the kernel, or you can copy .config
from your current kernel source directory.

> Does this basically just insert the current kernel configuration
> inside the menuconfig interface of the new kernel as the starting
> point?  How does this play with the new kernel options that have since
> appeared or those that have been eliminated?  I suppose you still have
> to check over every menu in the new kernel to make sure you're not
> missing anything...

That's what make oldconfig does, and prompts you for any new items.
There's no need to run menuconfig unless you want to change something.

Waiting for kernel version releases is not a good idea and the -r updates
generally include security fixes. Read the Changelog and decide whether
you need that particular update, some fixes only apply to certain
architectures. Like many others, I have a cron task that syncs then mails
the results of emerge -upvDN world to me, but I have added --changelog to
that command so the mail also contains the details of each update.

This runs in the early hours, so I can read it whenever it suits me during
the day and apply the changes as I want. I run testing, so frequent
updating is a good thing; with a stable system, weekly would be fine, but
the longer you leave it the more work is involved.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Deactivate keyboard

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Braun

On 5/30/07, "Lutz Schönemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,




Hi!

I have set up Gentoo on a system that I would like to use as a video, music

player and sometimes to check my emails. There is a remote control connected
to it and is detected as a serial keyboard. Now I want the xorg-server not
to process events coming from this "keyboard". I also have a bluetooth
keyboard that I want to connect to that system and events coming from this
keyboard should be processed.

So, is it possible to deactivate one keyboard?




I think so, what about deactivating the one you do not want to use in your
xorg.conf?


Sven