Re: OT: More Advances in Netwotking to Support the Grid
how do you move over to the academic database world? it seems like the most interesting stuff is going on there? > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/12/12 Fri AM 11:29:27 EST > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: OT: More Advances in Netwotking to Support the Grid > > http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12465.html > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT: More Advances in Netwotking to Support the Grid
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Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
I think one of the pluses of Objectivity was also the ability to cluster it over lots of small/cheap computers (even without sharing the storage..) Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:39 AM > Oracle was by no means ready to support a database as large as Babar's. When the experiment began, the biggest Oracle databases were around one terabyte. There was also the RD45 project at CERN which weighed heavily on the decision. If we were to do it now, we would probably use Oracle. > > I know that at least one major telecomunications company uses or use to use objectivity to hold switch information. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > how many people are using objectivity? seems like object oriented databases are only used in academia? i went to the website and didnt see much documentation. > > why did you go with that over oracle? > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM > > > > We currently hist the world's largest database. > > > > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht > ml > > > > But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the > > grid. > No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. > > > > Ian > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > name of mailing list you want to be rem
RE: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
This is really getting OT, and there have been quite a few mergers, but they were once called something like Northern Telephone and are based some where in Canada. Ian -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L which telecom company? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:39 PM > Oracle was by no means ready to support a database as large as > Babar's. When the experiment began, the biggest Oracle databases were around one terabyte. There was also the RD45 project at CERN which weighed heavily on the decision. If we were to do it now, we would probably use Oracle. > > I know that at least one major telecomunications company uses or use > to use objectivity to hold switch information. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > how many people are using objectivity? seems like object oriented databases are only used in academia? i went to the website and didnt see much documentation. > > why did you go with that over oracle? > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM > > > > We currently hist the world's largest database. > > > > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht > ml > > > > But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the > > grid. > No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. > > > > Ian > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at > > CERN? > > > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > -- > > > -- > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name > of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
which telecom company? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:39 PM > Oracle was by no means ready to support a database as large as Babar's. When the experiment began, the biggest Oracle databases were around one terabyte. There was also the RD45 project at CERN which weighed heavily on the decision. If we were to do it now, we would probably use Oracle. > > I know that at least one major telecomunications company uses or use to use objectivity to hold switch information. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > how many people are using objectivity? seems like object oriented databases are only used in academia? i went to the website and didnt see much documentation. > > why did you go with that over oracle? > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM > > > > We currently hist the world's largest database. > > > > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht > ml > > > > But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the > > grid. > No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. > > > > Ian > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the o
RE: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
Oracle was by no means ready to support a database as large as Babar's. When the experiment began, the biggest Oracle databases were around one terabyte. There was also the RD45 project at CERN which weighed heavily on the decision. If we were to do it now, we would probably use Oracle. I know that at least one major telecomunications company uses or use to use objectivity to hold switch information. Ian -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how many people are using objectivity? seems like object oriented databases are only used in academia? i went to the website and didnt see much documentation. why did you go with that over oracle? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM > We currently hist the world's largest database. > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht ml > > But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the > grid. No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subsc
Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
how many people are using objectivity? seems like object oriented databases are only used in academia? i went to the website and didnt see much documentation. why did you go with that over oracle? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM > We currently hist the world's largest database. > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht ml > > But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the grid. No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
We currently hist the world's largest database. http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.shtml But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the grid. No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is yes, in part. Ian -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
If you read the full text of the article pointed to by the URL in the original posting, you learn that 'LHC' is 'Large Hadron Collider', whatever that is. ;-) Mark J. Bobak Oracle DBA ProQuest Company Ann Arbor, MI "Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is." --Unknown -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what is an LHC? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:44 PM > CERN estimates growth about 5-10 petabytes per year when they start their > LHC in 2007... > Data load rates vary up to 1,5GB per second. > > I would work there even for free for some time ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 PM > > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bobak, Mark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
what is an LHC? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:44 PM > CERN estimates growth about 5-10 petabytes per year when they start their > LHC in 2007... > Data load rates vary up to 1,5GB per second. > > I would work there even for free for some time ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 PM > > > > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
CERN estimates growth about 5-10 petabytes per year when they start their LHC in 2007... Data load rates vary up to 1,5GB per second. I would work there even for free for some time ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 PM > are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN? > > From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 02:49:32 EST > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING > > http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 > > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: MacGregor, Ian A. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ORACLE JOINS CERN OPENLAB TO ADVANCE GRID COMPUTING
http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1008211 Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid news
Nope, sorry. This is a fundamental misconception that many people share. :) SETI is a completely different kettle of fish to Oracle's grid story, using spare cycles on desktops to try and achieve something as part of the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (IIRC that's what SETI stands for, anyway). It's basically a way of breaking up massively parallel problems. Likewise, most scientific applications of grid architecture are designed to solve big batch problems. Oracle's enterprise grid architecture bears almost no resemblance to this at all. It's all about virtualization and provisioning to improve resource utilization. The provisioning technologies are really the key to unlocking the benefits of the grid (dang that sounds like Marketing crap!) where you can provision CPU and data dynamically within and across nodes and databases. Have a look for the paper Brajesh Goyal did at OracleWorld for all the details. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Nelson Flores Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It's kind of like the SETI project... for those of you that don't know what this is, it's a project where NASA has images that need to be analyzed, but don't have the computing power to do it all in a reasonable time. So they created a system where they distribute the processing of the images over n workstations, each running a separate part of the process. The main problem with this (which I noticed at my university where every single unix workstation had the SETI app running), was the fact that it slowed the machine down (they didn't use the nice command to only use idle time). The question related to all these Grid apps is how they are going to distribute the priorities for the jobs being done. If a general manager needs something ASAP, then do all we lesser mortals have to suffer? Oh well ... food for thought. -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle has announced 10 will be "10g for grid". Many of us have been baffled by what grid is, will it be useful in the real world, etc. Here is a short article on a practical grid application (non Oracle) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5106230.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nelson Flores INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid news
It's kind of like the SETI project... for those of you that don't know what this is, it's a project where NASA has images that need to be analyzed, but don't have the computing power to do it all in a reasonable time. So they created a system where they distribute the processing of the images over n workstations, each running a separate part of the process. The main problem with this (which I noticed at my university where every single unix workstation had the SETI app running), was the fact that it slowed the machine down (they didn't use the nice command to only use idle time). The question related to all these Grid apps is how they are going to distribute the priorities for the jobs being done. If a general manager needs something ASAP, then do all we lesser mortals have to suffer? Oh well ... food for thought. -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle has announced 10 will be "10g for grid". Many of us have been baffled by what grid is, will it be useful in the real world, etc. Here is a short article on a practical grid application (non Oracle) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5106230.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nelson Flores INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid news
8i -- I for the Indomitable, the Invincible. 10g -- G for the Great, the Gladiator... (Sorry never mind.) Patrice -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle has announced 10 will be "10g for grid". Many of us have been baffled by what grid is, will it be useful in the real world, etc. Here is a short article on a practical grid application (non Oracle) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5106230.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Grid news
Oracle has announced 10 will be "10g for grid". Many of us have been baffled by what grid is, will it be useful in the real world, etc. Here is a short article on a practical grid application (non Oracle) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5106230.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle confirmed at the road show event I went to yesterday that "pricing will not change". Let's see how many people are happy to buy 100's of EE CPU licences :-) And my favourite bit? The new OEM is all singing, all dancing ... but must be hosted by 10gAS. (Though that's probably the case with EM under 9i .. just don't use it often enough to know). Ciao Fuzzy :-) --The contents of this post are my opinions only If swallowed seek medical advice -Original Message-From: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:00To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing. Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: AK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I don't know... It's definitely an interesting concept though, isn't it? Check this out: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1560024 2 -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:39 PM > Rich, > > That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. > > GC essentially makes a network look like one great big > box, with the cross platform functionality included. > > In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: > "The network is the computer". :) > > Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely > the first to get the concept in print. > > Jared > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: > > Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile > > programs... > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > > > Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same > > versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). > > > > > > Rich > > > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > > > > > > Dick, Jared > > >If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC > > > with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable > > > today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. > > > Whether this means the grid > > > is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry > > > would prefer you > > > spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And > > > this may be an > > > area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Jesse, Rich > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cunningham, Gerald INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing. Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: AK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:39 PM > Rich, > > That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. > > GC essentially makes a network look like one great big > box, with the cross platform functionality included. > > In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: > "The network is the computer". :) > > Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely > the first to get the concept in print. > > Jared > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: > > Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile > > programs... > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > > > Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of > > copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). > > > > > > Rich > > > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > > > > > > Dick, Jared > > >If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a > > > PC with the > > > throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large > > > systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this > > > means the grid > > > is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry > > > would prefer you > > > spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And > > > this may be an > > > area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Jesse, Rich > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I know, I know, it's a bit of a stretch, but I think the idea's the same -- subsets of work divided between multiple machines. It's just that distcc is implemented at a much higher level than what's probably considered "grid". The benefit is that it's much easier to implement. The downside is that it's usefulness is much more limited. But in this case, I think it works well, at least according to my co-workers who use it. Perhaps grid-wise Matt would care to comment? Gridfullessnessly yours, Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > Rich, > > That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. > > GC essentially makes a network look like one great big > box, with the cross platform functionality included. > > In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: > "The network is the computer". :) > > Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely > the first to get the concept in print. > > Jared > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: > > Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile > > programs... > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > > > Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have > same versions of > > copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). > > > > > > Rich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Well, they did not come straight out and say we invented the grid. They did say we can help you to use and manage grid computers and our software can use the grid. They will have software to add/remove computers from a grid, clone computers, propagate changes etc. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:39 PM > I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing > offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. > > Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here > comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. > > There, I've said it. I think this is the first time > I've ever used that term, and it may have even been > properly used. > > That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and > time will tell if there's anything to it. > > Jared > > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > > Hello Tom > > > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with > > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. > > There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated > > databases. > > > > Yechiel Adar > > Mehish > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > > > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > > > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > > > doing this. > > > > > > Tom Mercadante > > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > > > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across > > the > > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > > > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, > > you > > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > > > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > > Technical Alliance Manager > > > Compuware Corporation > > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > > > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > > > > > Tom Mercadante > > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > > > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > DBA > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be > > handled > > > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the > > fairly > > > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > > > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the > > other > > > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > > > become
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Rich, That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. GC essentially makes a network look like one great big box, with the cross platform functionality included. In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: "The network is the computer". :) Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely the first to get the concept in print. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: > Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile > programs... > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of > copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). > > > Rich > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > > > -Original Message- > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > > > Dick, Jared > >If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a > > PC with the > > throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large > > systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this > > means the grid > > is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry > > would prefer you > > spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And > > this may be an > > area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. > > > > Dennis Williams > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jesse, Rich > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Kernel schmernel, KDE takes something like 18 hours to compile (and I think KDE sucks -- Enlightenment all the way!). Knock that down by two-thirds or a half with a couple of more boxes with a 'net connection. Building an A/V Gentoo box takes many days. Damn tight when you're done, but it takes a while. distcc would definitely help. That being said, I haven't used distcc yet. I've been spending my time figuring out the ATAPI crap under 2.4 (I've been told that 2.6 cleans it up) and kernel patches to sync a Treo with USB. I don't need to add another variable into the list by grid'ing with co-workers boxes who may be running different versions of stuff. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > Haven't you ever heard of things like "modular programming", > "object oriented approach", "divide and conquer" and alike? > What in the Wall's name are you doing when you need a distributed > compiler? Linux kernel compiles on my box in 10 minutes, modules > need another 10 and I'm good to go. > On 10/27/2003 01:09:25 PM, "Jesse, Rich" wrote: > > Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile > > programs... > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > > > Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have > same versions > > of > > copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). > > > > > > Rich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Haven't you ever heard of things like "modular programming", "object oriented approach", "divide and conquer" and alike? What in the Wall's name are you doing when you need a distributed compiler? Linux kernel compiles on my box in 10 minutes, modules need another 10 and I'm good to go. On 10/27/2003 01:09:25 PM, "Jesse, Rich" wrote: Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > Dick, Jared >If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a > PC with the > throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large > systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this > means the grid > is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry > would prefer you > spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And > this may be an > area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. > > Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
>From a first glance, that seems like a pile of wasted money. Knowing Savantis you'd >be better off with RAC. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Other companies are in the mix, also... Check out: http://www.savantis.com/product/ -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, > >with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers > etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also > separated databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly > > Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another > > fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it > > yet again? they *like* doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural > > framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage > > is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, > > you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. > > Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable > > grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think > > more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the > > grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to > > pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid > > are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > >
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Other companies are in the mix, also... Check out: http://www.savantis.com/product/ -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, > >with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers > etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also > separated databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly > > Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another > > fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it > > yet again? they *like* doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural > > framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage > > is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, > > you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. > > Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable > > grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think > > more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the > > grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to > > pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid > > are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > For database type
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Some of us here at work have been using "grid computing" to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > Dick, Jared >If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a > PC with the > throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large > systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this > means the grid > is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry > would prefer you > spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And > this may be an > area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. > > Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, > >with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers > etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also > separated databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly > > Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another > > fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it > > yet again? they *like* doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural > > framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage > > is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, > > you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. > > Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable > > grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think > > more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the > > grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to > > pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid > > are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be > handled > > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from > > the > fairly > > recent knowledge that, i
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
The way things are happening now, I have a feeling that we might soon witness the total eclipse of the SUN and that the darkness will rule. One browser to rule them all, one browser to find them One browser to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the land of Redmond where the shadows lay. On 10/27/2003 12:19:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if your nose is raw from having nothing better to do with your time, (Remember: You can pick your friends; and you can pick your nose; but you cannot pick your friend's nose.) you can tune in to some of Sun's marketing on the subject. (from a Sun e-mail) Whatever your business, it makes good economic sense to use the IT infrastructure you've already got to raise productivity, maintain availability, and minimize downtime. Learn how and why customers are deploying over 7,000 Sun Grids, from local clusters to global solutions. REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITy041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF TITLE: Grid Computing: Put All of Your IT Infrastructure to Work DATE: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TIME: 9-10am PT/12-1pm ET AGENDA -Joerg Schwarz, Senior Group Manager, Science Engineering, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -David Simmons, Manager, Grid Solutions, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -Dr. Steven Newhouse, Technical Director, London e-Science Centre, Imperial College REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITx041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF Unable to attend? Register for the replay information, Sun will send you information on how to view the event archive at your convenience. Thank You, Sun Microsystems -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
And if your nose is raw from having nothing better to do with your time, (Remember: You can pick your friends; and you can pick your nose; but you cannot pick your friend's nose.) you can tune in to some of Sun's marketing on the subject. (from a Sun e-mail) Whatever your business, it makes good economic sense to use the IT infrastructure you've already got to raise productivity, maintain availability, and minimize downtime. Learn how and why customers are deploying over 7,000 Sun Grids, from local clusters to global solutions. REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITy041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF TITLE: Grid Computing: Put All of Your IT Infrastructure to Work DATE: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TIME: 9-10am PT/12-1pm ET AGENDA -Joerg Schwarz, Senior Group Manager, Science Engineering, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -David Simmons, Manager, Grid Solutions, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -Dr. Steven Newhouse, Technical Director, London e-Science Centre, Imperial College REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITx041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF Unable to attend? Register for the replay information, Sun will send you information on how to view the event archive at your convenience. Thank You, Sun Microsystems -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. > There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated > databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > > doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be > handled > > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the > fairly > > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > > particle; and
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. > There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated > databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > > doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be > handled > > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the > fairly > > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the > other > > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the > matching > > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. > > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that > > Larry is God. > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Stephen Lee > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: > Hello Tom > > >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with > options to add or remove servers as you go along. > It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. > There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated > databases. > > Yechiel Adar > Mehish > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > > doing this. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across > the > > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, > you > > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Technical Alliance Manager > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > > > Tom Mercadante > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be > handled > > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the > fairly > > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the > other > > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the > matching > > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. > > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that > > Larry is God. > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Stephen Lee > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Hello Tom >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > doing this. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > Thank You > > Stephen P. Karniotis > Technical Alliance Manager > Compuware Corporation > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: www.compuware.com > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > Dennis Williams > DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that > Larry is God. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Stephen Lee > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mercadante, Thomas F > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
First feedback is that it is not rac but a step up.. brian -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:34 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle. There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www. Simply google for it and you will be inundated. Jared "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/2003 05:54 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly OracleParallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example ofOracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like*doing this.Tom MercadanteOracle Certified Professional-Original Message-Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LActually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework isthat you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across theenterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, youwould have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, youcould share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid.Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financialrequirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think moreabout the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank YouStephen P. KarniotisTechnical Alliance ManagerCompuware CorporationDirect: (313) 227-4350Mobile: (248) 408-2918Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message-Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBut that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids,don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off.Tom MercadanteOracle Certified Professional-Original Message-Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LI think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid areattached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?Dennis WilliamsDBALifetouch, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LFor database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handledby CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairlyrecent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matchingparticle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the otherparticle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the gridbecomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matchingparticles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved.Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall thatLarry is God.-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like sub
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle. There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www. Simply google for it and you will be inundated. Jared "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/2003 05:54 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the mess
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Tom Your perception is correct. Think about grid in very simple terms as a collection of database servers (clearly there's more to it than that, but for the point I'm trying to make this makes it easier to understand), and you'll quickly see that a RAC database can be part of that BUT so can other databases. Hence grid is bigger than just RAC. A grid environment can include multiple databases, some of which may be RAC'ed and others may not. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Mercadante, Thomas F Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an "i" or a "g" to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for ot
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I have the impression that Oracle has a grid running from Texas somewhere, that they used it to test 10g, and that they also are using w.r.t the Collaboration Suite. In their case, if they can allocate resources like people used to be able to allocate disk from an NAS to servers that require it, as they require it, then I can see the benefit for large centers. can the grid span multiple racks? Can Oracle RAC rely on as many racks as 10g? Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an "i" or a "g" to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com S
Re: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
the big question is how useful will it be in 10g. Will anyone want to use it? I think I saw a post somewhere that says wait until oracle version 12 before anyone uses it. > > From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon AM 10:44:25 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > Dennis, > > I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was > *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed > something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Tom >I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the > 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty > much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an > irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a > feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to > add an "i" or a "g" to a product's name? > > Dennis Williams > DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* > doing this. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. > > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. > > Thank You > > Stephen P. Karniotis > Technical Alliance Manager > Compuware Corporation > Direct: (313) 227-4350 > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: www.compuware.com > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > Dennis Williams > DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that > Larry is God. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Stephen Lee > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail mess
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an "i" or a "g" to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an "i" or a "g" to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, inclu
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTE
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Think really, really, really fast network. Check out http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html Henry -Original Message- Mercadante, Thomas F Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line contain
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Bingo! That's how we will make Larry the richest man in the World... - Kirti --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? > > Dennis Williams > DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that > Larry is God. > -- __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Had to chime in here. Carly Fiorina put this in simple terms. Grid implementations for most organizations is a 5-9 year plan and must be started and well thought out BEFORE you do the work. Larry is assuming that you just change over and all is well. Larry forgot to mention the capital investments required for Grid. 10g does have MANY new features, however, only a small amount of the organizations will leverage them. And for reference, any organization that "played with 10g's grid/rac" implementations has had SIGNIFICANT support from Oracle. IOW: don't do this alone I have submitted a paper discussing Grid, its requirements, etc. for IOUG Live! 2004. Let's see if this gets approved. If so, is should shed some light on the reality of the Grid Kool-AID Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients (not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group in Oracle Consulting has worked with, but I won't name them because I'm not sure if they're referenceable. I think one thing that a lot of people are missing around the 10g message is that an important part of any grid technology is self management capabilities (autonomics in grid terms). 10g makes huge strides in the manageability area, and that's useful to ANY Oracle customer, not just those who are looking at the grid side. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Ah. now I understand. It involves Quantum Physics. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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So, what exactly is the difference between a grid and RAC/OPS? The associations that I get when somebody mentions the word "grid" are I-95 in Norwalk/Stamford area around 8:30 AM or LIE at the approximately the same time. That can be used to demonstrate gridlock computing. On 10/16/2003 06:29:33 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Low end servers, usually running Linux, 1 or 2 CPU's, 2 Gb of memory, that can easily be racked (or even RAC'ed). Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+> | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | >| | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+> >--- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | >--- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
The grid is presently at version 1.0, and like any 1.0 release is fraught with problems. One doesn't just install the grid, but installs several packages which have interdependencies to the extent that upgrading one will almost certainly cause failures somewhere else. I digress... A developer wanted to use a materialized view for data aggregation. I explained what he needed had to be done on the database containing the data to be summarized, that he would need to have a count of the records as part of the aggregation, and added that the wind must be due west at a steady 10 knots, and there must be exactly five clouds visible in the sky. This has become known here as the five-cloud rule. The grid today is very much governed by the five-cloud rule. However, like anything new technology with proper effort it will improve. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic cartoon :) - Kirti --- Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that > asked the same question. > > - > > As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. > > The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', the > latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it being > useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers can be > used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to apps as needed. > It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to effectively administer > and monitor this aren't available yet. > > I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin > buying computing power from a utility computing company on an as > needed basis, much as they do electricity. > > The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. > > Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty > obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, > gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is really > overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford to > purchase and maintain it. > > 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note > > address was about the future > direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and > blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? > > > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from > > being used in the business > and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in > academia. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic cartoon :) - Kirti --- Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that > asked the same question. > > - > > As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. > > The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', > the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it > being useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers > can be used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to > apps as needed. It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to > effectively administer and monitor this aren't available yet. > > I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin > buying computing power from a utility computing company on an > as needed basis, much as they do electricity. > > The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. > > Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty > obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, > gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is > really overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford > to purchase and maintain it. > > 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) > > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was > > about the future > direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. > Anyone out > there have any opinions? > > > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in > > the business > and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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> ... As load increases, Oracle > will spawn off work onto the other free servers somehow. > Looks like Oracle is finally "catching up" with what we've been enjoying on Windoze, for quite a number of years now. Only for some strange reason this very principle used to be called "worm propagation" in that wonderful land over there... Joking of course, but spawning off work automagically to remote "box" does sound a bit worrisome nevertheless. Branimir Bitten, thus on watch ever since. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Branimir Petrovic INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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We had Sun's N1 architect here a few months ago to brief us on N1. ( grid) In a nutshell, all of your servers go in a pool, the administrative software doles out the resources as needed, simple as that. Of course, it is not that simple. Very interesting stuff, though I think the current buzz about 'utility computing' based on the grid will be just as successful as ASP was supposed to be. Should be very interesting in large organizations. Mr. Strong acknowledged that this is still vaporware - not really to alpha stage yet. Jared "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2003 11:14 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid computing is not like Oracle Failover. It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has *not* been installed on these machines. You have a database running on another machine. As load increases, Oracle will spawn off work onto the other free servers somehow. How the data gets there, and everything works is a mystery to me. But this is what was said by an Oracle technical rep. So it sounds like a true electical power grid, where a server can draw upon other capability as it needs it, and then releases it as it doesn't need it. Sounds awesome if it's true and if it works. Please please please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I can take the body-blows. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... > > From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it > > thanks, > Murali. > > > |-+> > | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | > | > | | Sent by: | > | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | .com | > | | | > | | | > | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | ORACLE-L | > | | | > |-+> > >--- ---| > | | > | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | cc: | > | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | > >--- ---| > > > > > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address > was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid > technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being > used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see > it are in academia. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the offi
RE: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid computing is not like Oracle Failover. It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has *not* been installed on these machines. You have a database running on another machine. As load increases, Oracle will spawn off work onto the other free servers somehow. How the data gets there, and everything works is a mystery to me. But this is what was said by an Oracle technical rep. So it sounds like a true electical power grid, where a server can draw upon other capability as it needs it, and then releases it as it doesn't need it. Sounds awesome if it's true and if it works. Please please please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I can take the body-blows. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... > > From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it > > thanks, > Murali. > > > |-+> > | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | >| > | | Sent by: | > | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | .com | > | || > | || > | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | ORACLE-L | > | || > |-+> > >--- ---| > | | > | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | cc: | > | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | > >--- ---| > > > > > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address > was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid > technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being > used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see > it are in academia. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: > INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San D
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Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients (not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group in Oracle Consulting has worked with, but I won't name them because I'm not sure if they're referenceable. I think one thing that a lot of people are missing around the 10g message is that an important part of any grid technology is self management capabilities (autonomics in grid terms). 10g makes huge strides in the manageability area, and that's useful to ANY Oracle customer, not just those who are looking at the grid side. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... > > From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > > > What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it > > thanks, > Murali. > > > |-+> > | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | >| > | | Sent by: | > | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | .com | > | || > | || > | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | ORACLE-L | > | || > |-+> > > >--| > | > | > | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? > | > > >--| > > > > > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address > was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid > technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being > used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see > it are in academia. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: > INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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1 or 2 CPU's on a card with a hard drive and an ethernet port or two connected to a very high speed backplane. They hot-plug into a card cage, or chassis if you prefer. They put a lot of cpu's into a relatively small space. Allan -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+> | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | >| | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+> >--- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | >--- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Copying, forwarding or distributing this message by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. This email may have been monitored for policy compliance. [021216] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nelson, Allan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Blade servers are computers designed to hunt vampires. -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+> | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | >| | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+> >--- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | >--- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/gDefinition/0,294236,sid7_gci770169,0 0.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+> | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | >| | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+> >--- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | >--- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+> | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | >| | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+> >--| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | >--| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I thought that they might ask for billions to help neutralize Microsoft's weapons of mass deception. Such is the reputation of the place, I guess. On 10/16/2003 11:04:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that asked the same question. - As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it being useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers can be used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to apps as needed. It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to effectively administer and monitor this aren't available yet. I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin buying computing power from a utility computing company on an as needed basis, much as they do electricity. The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is really overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford to purchase and maintain it. 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about > the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and > blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? > > It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the > business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid
2.3 GB from California to Switzerland is fast, damned fast. http://www.cenic.org/CENIC2003/NGIAwards/winners/slac.htm We are part of several test beds having to do with future networking capabilities. Ian MacGregor -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was anything in production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that expensive to get 10GB connections or more. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the > Grid was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the > middleware needed, > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and > participated in Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the > ability to transfer large amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB > per second between the local internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over > Internet 2. This is vital to make > the Grid work. > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN > gets their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) Btw, AFAIK, they're > using Oracle... > > Tanel. > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid
10-gig ethernet IS hideously expensive, but its the switching that's expensive. The actual bearer circuit is standard dark fiber. 10-gig ethernet is actually kind of a cheat - it uses 4 2.5 gig wavelengths to create the 10-gig throughput. So each port has to be a DWDM or use 4 different strands of fiber (hence the cost). There's no distance problems running 10gigE. Be that as it may, though, the circuit we're talking about here is almost certainly going to be an OC-192 SONET loop. These have been around for a while - large-scale ISPs use them for core cross-country connectivity. You can bear ATM (though why you'd want to), IP, MPLS, etc. over it. Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tanel Poder > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Grid > > > Hi! > > It's still quite hard to believe, that it could be anywhere > near cheap. Even building 10Gbit locatl Ethernet is currently > expensive. You would need 16*655Mb ATM connections for that > to do over long range... > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:44 AM > > > > no not over the atlantic. its from DC to Boston. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:39 PM > > > > > > > 10GB over Atlantic? > > > > > > This does cost a lot. At least I assume so, why the heck am I > > > sticking > to > > > 512kb in my home then? > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was > anything > > in > > > > production yet. do you know where i can find more info > on it? 2.3 > > > > GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that > > > expensive > > > > to get 10GB connections or more. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late > > > > > > 1999 > or > > > > early > > > > > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was > designed before > > > > > the > > > Grid > > > > > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the > > > > > middleware > > > > needed, > > > > > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and > > participated > > > in > > > > > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to > > > > > transfer > > > large > > > > > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per > second between > > > > > the > > local > > > > > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is > > > > > vital > to > > > > make > > > > > the Grid work. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when > > > > > CERN > > gets > > > > > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > > > > > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > > > > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > > -- > > > > > Author: Tanel Poder > > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > > > > > - > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail > >
Re: Re: Grid
atm is obsolete. cheap is relative. i didnt mean its $20/month or comparable to getting AOL. alot of mid-large businesses have them. > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/28 Thu AM 03:14:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Grid > > Hi! > > It's still quite hard to believe, that it could be anywhere near cheap. Even > building 10Gbit locatl Ethernet is currently expensive. You would need > 16*655Mb ATM connections for that to do over long range... > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:44 AM > > > > no not over the atlantic. its from DC to Boston. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:39 PM > > > > > > > 10GB over Atlantic? > > > > > > This does cost a lot. At least I assume so, why the heck am I sticking > to > > > 512kb in my home then? > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was > anything > > in > > > > production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? > > > > 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that > > > expensive > > > > to get 10GB connections or more. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 > or > > > > early > > > > > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the > > > Grid > > > > > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware > > > > needed, > > > > > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and > > participated > > > in > > > > > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer > > > large > > > > > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the > > local > > > > > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital > to > > > > make > > > > > the Grid work. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN > > gets > > > > > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > > > > > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > > > > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > > -- > > > > > Author: Tanel Poder > > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > > > > - > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > -- > > > > Author: Ryan > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messa
Re: Grid
Hi! It's still quite hard to believe, that it could be anywhere near cheap. Even building 10Gbit locatl Ethernet is currently expensive. You would need 16*655Mb ATM connections for that to do over long range... Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:44 AM > no not over the atlantic. its from DC to Boston. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:39 PM > > > > 10GB over Atlantic? > > > > This does cost a lot. At least I assume so, why the heck am I sticking to > > 512kb in my home then? > > > > Tanel. > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:54 AM > > > > > > > i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was anything > in > > > production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? > > > 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that > > expensive > > > to get 10GB connections or more. > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or > > > early > > > > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the > > Grid > > > > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware > > > needed, > > > > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and > participated > > in > > > > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer > > large > > > > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the > local > > > > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to > > > make > > > > the Grid work. > > > > > > > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN > gets > > > > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > > > > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > -- > > > > Author: Tanel Poder > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Ryan > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Tanel Poder > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
Re: Grid
no not over the atlantic. its from DC to Boston. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:39 PM > 10GB over Atlantic? > > This does cost a lot. At least I assume so, why the heck am I sticking to > 512kb in my home then? > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:54 AM > > > > i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was anything in > > production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? > > 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that > expensive > > to get 10GB connections or more. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > > > > > > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or > > early > > > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the > Grid > > > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware > > needed, > > > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and participated > in > > > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer > large > > > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the local > > > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to > > make > > > the Grid work. > > > > > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN gets > > > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > > > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Tanel Poder > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Ryan > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Grid
10GB over Atlantic? This does cost a lot. At least I assume so, why the heck am I sticking to 512kb in my home then? Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:54 AM > i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was anything in > production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? > 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that expensive > to get 10GB connections or more. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > > > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or > early > > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid > > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware > needed, > > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and participated in > > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer large > > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the local > > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to > make > > the Grid work. > > > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN gets > > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Tanel Poder > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Ryan > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Grid
i havent seen much about internet 2. i didnt realize there was anything in production yet. do you know where i can find more info on it? 2.3 GBs isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that expensive to get 10GB connections or more. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:44 PM > > We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early > 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid > was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware needed, > and build methods of authentication and authorization, and participated in > Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer large > amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the local > internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to make > the Grid work. > > Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN gets > their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) > Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... > > Tanel. > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Grid
> We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early 2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware needed, and build methods of authentication and authorization, and participated in Grid experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to transfer large amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB per second between the local internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to make the Grid work. Yep, you'll probably have huge amounts of data coming in when CERN gets their large hadron collider online in 2007 ;) Btw, AFAIK, they're using Oracle... Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid
Commoditizing of IT resources, hardware, software, people requires reducing the level of maintenance and knowledge required. A "grid" does just that. The concept of a grid is to still function with the loss of one or more members and can incorporate new resources easily. The electrical power grid is an example of a grid network. Unfortunately as we have seen the system is vulnerable to a catastrophic failure that was hidden from view. The system we believed to be flexible and capable of modifying itself was unable to cope with the level of change and demands on the system. The result was complete collapse of a large portion of the system leaving millions without electricity. We should remember and learn from failures such as this. Unfortunately, history has shown that our collective memory is only the span of one generation. We continue to repeated the same misery and mayhem over and over again. Looking into the future one can theorize on the implications of distributed grid infrastructure on computing. Suddenly the control and flexibility of computing will be removed from the individual and placed in the hands of a monolithic provider. Computing will become a utility that is metered and paid for. Microsoft has long been an advocate for pay for use software. Oracle and Microsoft are aligning their business to exploit the ability of metered software/hardware billing. Grid computing infrastructure will provide this ability. Is the is answer that people are looking for? Maybe. With software and hardware purchasing decisions taken out of the hands of the business and individual internal resources could be free to use the "brain" power spent on index rebuilds, backups, patching and other routine maintenance on something more advantageous or devious. We have seen this in some recent sci-fi movies. Blade Runner, Minority Report, Seventh Sign, AI and even Terminator displayed the possible impact of a grid computing infrastructure on society. For many, including my self, it was disturbing. Inevitably the local processor of a computer will be come so powerful that future improvements to that processor will become unnecessary. The key to increasing power of a grid system will be to add more processors. The speed of development in processor technology will reach a point very soon where the grid will become a reality. Already our culture is changing to accept this reality. The lust we have for information will drive the desire to extend the internet beyond a simple information super highway* into the information super computer grid. We will no longer wish to have simple access to information we will want it to be processed, stored, manipulated and delivered by the same system. Those of us steeped in the daily throws of technological nirvana sometimes fail to look ahead to the implications and effects of technology on our lives. Grid computing is one of those technologies that once unleashed may never be able to be controlled. The potential for abuse and profit is as great as the benefits to humanity that we can imagine. Grid computing is quite compelling. We have always taken our inventions improved them made access to them easy and in essence taken the wonder out of them. Pause to reflect that many of our Grandparents were the first generation to experince running hot water, the glow of a light bulb or the crackle of a voice over the telephone. It will be important to be vigilant with security, privacy and ethics as we begin to implement "grids" in our own computing environments. The failure to do so could result in things more unpleasant than simple worms or annoying spam in the future. *Wow...How long has it been since anyone used those three words...? (listening to too much ambient music lately) Brad O. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid
I know the folks here are using distcc
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hanno/distcc.html to compile their gentoo stuff
(desktop only).
Rich
Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
> -Original Message-
> From: MacGregor, Ian A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Grid
>
>
> We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late
> 1999 or early 2000. The computing for our main experiment
> was designed before the Grid was contemplated. Still we have
> implemented some of the middleware needed, and build methods
> of authentication and authorization, and participated in Grid
> experiments. We have also been pushing the ability to
> transfer large amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB
> per second between the local internet hub and Geneva
> Switzerland over Internet 2. This is vital to make the Grid work.
>
> I was looking at the papers from the last Computing in High
> Energy Physics conference. I'd estimate that over half dealt
> with the Grid. Nearly all had to do with test beds or
> implementation standards. But the AMANDA experiment,
> Antarctic Muon and Neutrino Detector Array, is using the Grid
> in production. The AMANDA instrument is situated at the South Pole.
>
> In 1990 if had mentioned the web very few would have heard of
> it, but within a few years URL's were ubiquitous. Oracle was
> very slow in adapting to the web.Perhaps this time they
> want to be avant garde. I don't know how the Grid is to work
> in the business environment. Major scientific collaborations
> include universities and HEP labs from numerous countries
> working towards the same goals including the sharing of
> computer resources. I doubt Pepsi would share its resources
> with Coke. Will we have the cokegrid, the pepsigrid, etc.
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Although I haven't got into the technical details of 'The
> Grid' (and thanks for this article - I shall read it), but
> nevertheless I have a haunting sense of deja vu. Remember all
> the hype over distributed computing that Oracle generated?
> Remember the key part client-server was of that? Remember
> what Ellison said about that? ('The biggest mistake we ever
> made' - I was there, I heard him say it). So. I'm just
> wondering how this particular circle is going to be squared...
>
> peter
> edinburgh
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:10 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine
> sticking out of the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my
> still-to-be-read list. The cover story of Physics Today (Feb.
> 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is a pretty good
> review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the
> URL is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html
>
> The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a
> way to share distributed resources. However, utilizing these
> resources needs an infrastructure in place. It "requires
> uniform mechanisms for such critical tasks as creating and
> managing services on remote computers, supporting single
> sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets
> at high speeds, forming large distributed virtual
> communities, and maintaining information about the existence,
> state, and usage policies of community resources...Providing
> the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, secure
> resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's
> raison d'etre."
>
> In addition, this means that computing resources can be
> parcelled out like a utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it
> and use it from your utility when you need it. You don't need
> to own the hardware for your peak load. It also becomes
> easier to share data and applications between colleagues at
> different locations.
>
> I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am
> not sure how Oracle will try and place itself at the center
> of this trend (unless they mangle the concept of Grid in the process).
>
> Henry
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RE: Grid
We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early 2000. The
computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid was contemplated.
Still we have implemented some of the middleware needed, and build methods of
authentication and authorization, and participated in Grid experiments. We have also
been pushing the ability to transfer large amounts of data. The latest effort: 2.3 GB
per second between the local internet hub and Geneva Switzerland over Internet 2.
This is vital to make the Grid work.
I was looking at the papers from the last Computing in High Energy Physics conference.
I'd estimate that over half dealt with the Grid. Nearly all had to do with test beds
or implementation standards. But the AMANDA experiment, Antarctic Muon and Neutrino
Detector Array, is using the Grid in production. The AMANDA instrument is situated
at the South Pole.
In 1990 if had mentioned the web very few would have heard of it, but within a few
years URL's were ubiquitous. Oracle was very slow in adapting to the web.Perhaps
this time they want to be avant garde. I don't know how the Grid is to work in the
business environment. Major scientific collaborations include universities and HEP
labs from numerous countries working towards the same goals including the sharing of
computer resources. I doubt Pepsi would share its resources with Coke. Will we have
the cokegrid, the pepsigrid, etc.
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:49 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Although I haven't got into the technical details of 'The Grid' (and thanks for this
article - I shall read it), but nevertheless I have a haunting sense of deja vu.
Remember all the hype over distributed computing that Oracle generated? Remember the
key part client-server was of that? Remember what Ellison said about that? ('The
biggest mistake we ever made' - I was there, I heard him say it). So. I'm just
wondering how this particular circle is going to be squared...
peter
edinburgh
-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:10 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out of the middle
(sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The cover story of Physics
Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is a pretty good review article
on the subject. If anyone is interested, the URL is
http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html
The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share distributed
resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an infrastructure in place. It
"requires uniform mechanisms for such critical tasks as creating and managing services
on remote computers, supporting single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring
large datasets at high speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and
maintaining information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community
resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, secure
resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison d'etre."
In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like a utility.
If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when you need it. You don't
need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also becomes easier to share data and
applications between colleagues at different locations.
I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how Oracle will
try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they mangle the concept of
Grid in the process).
Henry
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RE: RE: Grid
Remember the 'single instance' ?
>- --- Original Message --- -
>From: "Robson, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:49:27
>
>Although I haven't got into the technical details
>of 'The Grid' (and thanks
>for this article - I shall read it), but
>nevertheless I have a haunting
>sense of deja vu. Remember all the hype over
>distributed computing that
>Oracle generated? Remember the key part
>client-server was of that? Remember
>what Ellison said about that? ('The biggest mistake
>we ever made' - I was
>there, I heard him say it). So. I'm just
>wondering how this particular
>circle is going to be squared...
>
>peter
>edinburgh
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:10 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a
>magazine sticking out of
>the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my
>still-to-be-read list. The cover
>story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of
>Grid Computing". It is a
>pretty good review article on the subject. If
>anyone is interested, the URL
>is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html
>
>The major point seems to be that the grid is simply
>just a way to share
>distributed resources. However, utilizing these
>resources needs an
>infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform
>mechanisms for such critical
>tasks as creating and managing services on remote
>computers, supporting
>single sign-on to distributed resources,
>transferring large datasets at high
>speeds, forming large distributed virtual
>communities, and maintaining
>information about the existence, state, and usage
>policies of community
>resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools
>that make large-scale,
>secure resource sharing possible and
>straight-forward is the Grid's raison
>d'etre."
>
>In addition, this means that computing resources
>can be parcelled out like a
>utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it
>from your utility when you
>need it. You don't need to own the hardware for
>your peak load. It also
>becomes easier to share data and applications
>between colleagues at
>different locations.
>
>I can see how databases are part of this picture,
>but I am not sure how
>Oracle will try and place itself at the center of
>this trend (unless they
>mangle the concept of Grid in the process).
>
>Henry
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RE: Grid
Although I haven't got into the technical details of 'The Grid' (and thanks
for this article - I shall read it), but nevertheless I have a haunting
sense of deja vu. Remember all the hype over distributed computing that
Oracle generated? Remember the key part client-server was of that? Remember
what Ellison said about that? ('The biggest mistake we ever made' - I was
there, I heard him say it). So. I'm just wondering how this particular
circle is going to be squared...
peter
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While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out of
the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The cover
story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is a
pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the URL
is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html
The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share
distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an
infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical
tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting
single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at high
speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining
information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community
resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale,
secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison
d'etre."
In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like a
utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when you
need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also
becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at
different locations.
I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how
Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they
mangle the concept of Grid in the process).
Henry
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Re: Re: Grid
It is a *lot* different. What RAC is supposed to do for an application ( i.e. run on a node, you don't know/don't care which one ), GC does for apps in general. It's still vapor ware in many respects. Look up Sun N1, they claim to be making use of it internally. The pieces for it are only partly in place though. http://wwws.sun.com/software/learnabout/n1/ It's still a few years out I think. Jared <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/25/2003 12:54 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Re: Re: Grid how different is the concept of a grid from RAC? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/25 Mon PM 03:39:30 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Grid > > In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the "real" grid. Instead it'll > probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage array/SAN > and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then distribute > their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism they can > transparently allocate/deallocate nodes for some specific work. > > This is only an assumption, I haven't seen or touched 10g myself, even > though I would like to :) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 PM > > > > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out > of > > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The > cover > > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is > a > > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the > URL > > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share > > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical > > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting > > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at > high > > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community > > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, > > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison > > d'etre." > > > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like > a > > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when > you > > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also > > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > > different locations. > > > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how > > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they > > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > > > Henry > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Henry Poras > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mail
Re: Re: Grid
at the reston,va office there will be a talk at the end of next month about the new RAC features in version 10 of oracle. dont know how technical it is. not familiar with the persons name. might be a sale pitch. in case anyone is interested. natcap.org i believe is the site. > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/25 Mon PM 04:24:34 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: Grid > > Don't know more than I wrote. And I even don't *know* that :) > > I guess we'll find out in September. > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:54 PM > > > > how different is the concept of a grid from RAC? > > > > > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2003/08/25 Mon PM 03:39:30 EDT > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: Grid > > > > > > In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the "real" grid. Instead > it'll > > > probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage > array/SAN > > > and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then > distribute > > > their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism they can > > > transparently allocate/deallocate nodes for some specific work. > > > > > > This is only an assumption, I haven't seen or touched 10g myself, even > > > though I would like to :) > > > > > > Tanel. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking > out > > > of > > > > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The > > > cover > > > > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". > It is > > > a > > > > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, > the > > > URL > > > > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > > > > > > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to > share > > > > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > > > > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such > critical > > > > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, > supporting > > > > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets > at > > > high > > > > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > > > > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of > community > > > > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make > large-scale, > > > > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's > raison > > > > d'etre." > > > > > > > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out > like > > > a > > > > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility > when > > > you > > > > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It > also > > > > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > > > > different locations. > > > > > > > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure > how > > > > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless > they > > > > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > -- > > > > Author: Henry Poras > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > - > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTE
Re: Re: Grid
Don't know more than I wrote. And I even don't *know* that :) I guess we'll find out in September. Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:54 PM > how different is the concept of a grid from RAC? > > > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/08/25 Mon PM 03:39:30 EDT > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Grid > > > > In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the "real" grid. Instead it'll > > probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage array/SAN > > and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then distribute > > their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism they can > > transparently allocate/deallocate nodes for some specific work. > > > > This is only an assumption, I haven't seen or touched 10g myself, even > > though I would like to :) > > > > Tanel. > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 PM > > > > > > > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out > > of > > > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The > > cover > > > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is > > a > > > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the > > URL > > > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > > > > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share > > > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > > > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical > > > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting > > > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at > > high > > > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > > > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community > > > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, > > > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison > > > d'etre." > > > > > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like > > a > > > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when > > you > > > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also > > > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > > > different locations. > > > > > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how > > > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they > > > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Henry Poras > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Tanel Poder > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >
Re: Re: Grid
how different is the concept of a grid from RAC? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/08/25 Mon PM 03:39:30 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Grid > > In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the "real" grid. Instead it'll > probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage array/SAN > and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then distribute > their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism they can > transparently allocate/deallocate nodes for some specific work. > > This is only an assumption, I haven't seen or touched 10g myself, even > though I would like to :) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 PM > > > > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out > of > > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The > cover > > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is > a > > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the > URL > > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share > > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical > > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting > > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at > high > > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community > > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, > > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison > > d'etre." > > > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like > a > > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when > you > > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also > > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > > different locations. > > > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how > > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they > > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > > > Henry > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Henry Poras > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Tanel Poder > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Grid
In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the "real" grid. Instead it'll probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage array/SAN and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then distribute their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism they can transparently allocate/deallocate nodes for some specific work. This is only an assumption, I haven't seen or touched 10g myself, even though I would like to :) Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 PM > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out of > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The cover > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is a > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the URL > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at high > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison > d'etre." > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like a > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when you > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > different locations. > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > Henry > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Henry Poras > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Grid
But it sounds so cool! And cool is Ellison's raison d'etre. Ruth > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Henry Poras > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Grid > > > While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine > sticking out of > the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read > list. The cover > story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid > Computing". It is a > pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is > interested, the URL > is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html > > The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share > distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an > infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical > tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting > single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large > datasets at high > speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining > information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community > resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, > secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison > d'etre." > > In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled > out like a > utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your > utility when you > need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also > becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at > different locations. > > I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how > Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they > mangle the concept of Grid in the process). > > Henry > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Henry Poras > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Grid
While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out of the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The cover story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is "The Power of Grid Computing". It is a pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested, the URL is http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html The major point seems to be that the grid is simply just a way to share distributed resources. However, utilizing these resources needs an infrastructure in place. It "requires uniform mechanisms for such critical tasks as creating and managing services on remote computers, supporting single sign-on to distributed resources, transferring large datasets at high speeds, forming large distributed virtual communities, and maintaining information about the existence, state, and usage policies of community resources...Providing the infrastructure and tools that make large-scale, secure resource sharing possible and straight-forward is the Grid's raison d'etre." In addition, this means that computing resources can be parcelled out like a utility. If you need extra CPU, buy it and use it from your utility when you need it. You don't need to own the hardware for your peak load. It also becomes easier to share data and applications between colleagues at different locations. I can see how databases are part of this picture, but I am not sure how Oracle will try and place itself at the center of this trend (unless they mangle the concept of Grid in the process). Henry -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 10g and IBM grid
I get DB2 magazine at work, months ago they had an issue about grid computing and how it was going to be the next big thing in DB2... Maybe I still have it at home somewhere, I'll look for it tonight. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L List, Interesting news about 10g and IBM's grid computing. When will the GOTO (Grid Operating Technical Operative) test be comming out? Shucks I'm still working on 8i OCP upgrade. - LEAD STORY VERSION 10G FEATURES NEW MANAGEMENT TOOLS | VNunet Management tools are expected to be among the most noticeably improved features in Oracle's upcoming release of its new database. People are still referring to the database, due to debut at OracleWorld in San Francisco in September, as 10i (following the logical progression from version 9i). But Oracle confirmed today that the newest database will indeed be called 10G as a way of showing the company's commitment to grid computing. For the full details, click: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1142500 LEAD STORY IBM EXEC MAPS OUT GRID COMPUTING | Computerworld Thomas Hawk, who heads IBM's grid computing program, says grid computing is more than a concept. It's a reality, Hawk tells interviewers, for users who are focused on virualization. Now, Hawk says, the industry needs grid standards, cooperation, and a greater understanding of the importance of this technology. For the full details, click: http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,83319,00. html Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
10g and IBM grid
List, Interesting news about 10g and IBM's grid computing. When will the GOTO (Grid Operating Technical Operative) test be comming out? Shucks I'm still working on 8i OCP upgrade. - LEAD STORY VERSION 10G FEATURES NEW MANAGEMENT TOOLS | VNunet Management tools are expected to be among the most noticeably improved features in Oracle's upcoming release of its new database. People are still referring to the database, due to debut at OracleWorld in San Francisco in September, as 10i (following the logical progression from version 9i). But Oracle confirmed today that the newest database will indeed be called 10G as a way of showing the company's commitment to grid computing. For the full details, click: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1142500 LEAD STORY IBM EXEC MAPS OUT GRID COMPUTING | Computerworld Thomas Hawk, who heads IBM's grid computing program, says grid computing is more than a concept. It's a reality, Hawk tells interviewers, for users who are focused on virualization. Now, Hawk says, the industry needs grid standards, cooperation, and a greater understanding of the importance of this technology. For the full details, click: http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,83319,00.html Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9i Grid "voodoo" cookbook
Well, (and this is honestly not a marketing pitch, I SWEAR) that's where companies like mine are stepping in. All of these kind of technologies are fine and dandy, but they add complexity, new skills to train people on, etc. The ownership savings can be very questionable. So, vendors build products that try to automate and take the pain away from the IS departments. Sure, you still have to test whatever end-to-end solution you're looking at, but its much easier than trying to master the entire solution. This isn't just true of clustering/RAC - its true of storage, networking, infrastructure management, middleware, etc. Every new technology that is bigger/better/faster/cheaper (circle any three you like) is also a new learning curve and new set of pitfalls. The lifecycle is tech is proposed->tech is built->early adopters buy in->early adopters get burned (generally)->companies look at early adopters' experience and build products to mitigate pain->tech becomes (more) accepted, whether they use the vendors' products or not. Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Odland, Brad > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: 9i Grid "voodoo" cookbook > > > (Yeah Tom Mercadante...I agree) > > I remember a time when Microsoft was spouting Windows > clustering and how great it was. People started with two > boxes then kept adding until the whole mess fell apart. > People and companies whet bust promoting cluster solutions. > Rather than sizing a box appropriately and purchasing the > hardware sized to handle five years of growth now we are > looking at a cluster scenario again. Adding boxes as we go. > Just how easy is that? What about future security issues? > Patches...etc... > > Frankly I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to > save any money with blades and 9i RAC right now. Once again > the hardware people have found that giving people less for > the same cost is better (for them). Seems like the burden of > testing and proving these cluster solutions is going to fall > on us (IS). I mean really! Who would set this solution up and > roll it into production in a weekend?? I sure wouldn't > expect that. I would expect to have to create a test lab, buy > test hardware and prove that it actually works. Seems > expensive to me. Somebody honestly tell me they would have no > problem converting a 8 way HP-UX box to four dual blades and > 9i RAC in a weekend. Different packaging is all we have here. > RAC is like a "lunchable". Less product, more expensive, more > marketing promises and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. > > Don't get me wrong I think the idea sounds cool. It's just > that we've all heard of cool stuff turning into a hot > steaming pile real fast... > > IT budgets are stretched pretty thin. Buying unproven > technology is not a very wise choice right now unless you > have a lot of disposable cash for in house testing. > > Why should IT have to prove this works? > > > Brad O. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Odland, Brad > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9i Grid "voodoo" cookbook
Microsoft is the world's largest provider of cluster f... solutions for the IT. Their OS has spawned $3G industry which has the sole purpose of trying to secure it. It is about time that they got some competition. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L (Yeah Tom Mercadante...I agree) I remember a time when Microsoft was spouting Windows clustering and how great it was. People started with two boxes then kept adding until the whole mess fell apart. People and companies whet bust promoting cluster solutions. Rather than sizing a box appropriately and purchasing the hardware sized to handle five years of growth now we are looking at a cluster scenario again. Adding boxes as we go. Just how easy is that? What about future security issues? Patches...etc... Frankly I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to save any money with blades and 9i RAC right now. Once again the hardware people have found that giving people less for the same cost is better (for them). Seems like the burden of testing and proving these cluster solutions is going to fall on us (IS). I mean really! Who would set this solution up and roll it into production in a weekend?? I sure wouldn't expect that. I would expect to have to create a test lab, buy test hardware and prove that it actually works. Seems expensive to me. Somebody honestly tell me they would have no problem converting a 8 way HP-UX box to four dual blades and 9i RAC in a weekend. Different packaging is all we have here. RAC is like a "lunchable". Less product, more expensive, more marketing promises and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Don't get me wrong I think the idea sounds cool. It's just that we've all heard of cool stuff turning into a hot steaming pile real fast... IT budgets are stretched pretty thin. Buying unproven technology is not a very wise choice right now unless you have a lot of disposable cash for in house testing. Why should IT have to prove this works? Brad O. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
9i Grid "voodoo" cookbook
(Yeah Tom Mercadante...I agree) I remember a time when Microsoft was spouting Windows clustering and how great it was. People started with two boxes then kept adding until the whole mess fell apart. People and companies whet bust promoting cluster solutions. Rather than sizing a box appropriately and purchasing the hardware sized to handle five years of growth now we are looking at a cluster scenario again. Adding boxes as we go. Just how easy is that? What about future security issues? Patches...etc... Frankly I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to save any money with blades and 9i RAC right now. Once again the hardware people have found that giving people less for the same cost is better (for them). Seems like the burden of testing and proving these cluster solutions is going to fall on us (IS). I mean really! Who would set this solution up and roll it into production in a weekend?? I sure wouldn't expect that. I would expect to have to create a test lab, buy test hardware and prove that it actually works. Seems expensive to me. Somebody honestly tell me they would have no problem converting a 8 way HP-UX box to four dual blades and 9i RAC in a weekend. Different packaging is all we have here. RAC is like a "lunchable". Less product, more expensive, more marketing promises and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Don't get me wrong I think the idea sounds cool. It's just that we've all heard of cool stuff turning into a hot steaming pile real fast... IT budgets are stretched pretty thin. Buying unproven technology is not a very wise choice right now unless you have a lot of disposable cash for in house testing. Why should IT have to prove this works? Brad O. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Grid,Streams
I think you're confusing something here, or maybe that's just the way the title of your email reads. Oracle has technology that fits in the grid computing paradigm, and Streams is obviously part of that. But there is no "Oracle Grid" product that you can buy that I'm aware of. Have you looked at the marketing bumph at http://otn.oracle.com/products/oracle9i/grid_computing/content.html? That might clarify things for you somewhat. And yes, there are customers who have implemented Streams successfully. If you want more details about how Oracle fits in the grid computing space, contact me offline and I can point you to the right contacts in Oracle. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi List What are the Pros and Cons of the above?. Has anyone in the industry implemented the above successfully?. Are there any pitfalls / restrictions to using the above technology? TIA GovindanK -- * *YOU SHOULD TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED - MAHATMA GANDHI* * __ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Grid,Streams
Hi List What are the Pros and Cons of the above?. Has anyone in the industry implemented the above successfully?. Are there any pitfalls / restrictions to using the above technology? TIA GovindanK -- * *YOU SHOULD TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED - MAHATMA GANDHI* * __ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT: Oracle Embraces the Grid
http://computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,75700,00.html Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
