Re: [U2] guide problem

[Steve Romanow]

You can strace it and maybe the problem will show itself.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:02 PM,   wrote:
> Does anybody know what would cause a segmentation fault while running
> guide?
> Red hat   2.6.9-5.ELsmp
> Unidata 7.1
>
> Haven't changed the OS or Unidata version for a long time.
>
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> Senior Analyst
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

I'm sorry.  I am going to continue doing what I do.  Using any modern
tool that I feel is helpful and/or potentially useful in my job.

If anyone would like to collaborate, I'll be online, easy enough to
find.  Good luck everyone.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> Does pickwiki bring changes to you?  I get emails from GH and BB as
> well.  I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
>
> What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the
> worlds developers, and sharpen our skills.  We are currently way too
> ingrown to attract new blood.
>
> Heck, even g+ group could be fun.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>>
>> There's a miscommunication here.
>> I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site.
>> I want the changes to come to me.
>> Watching a github site, means you have to go to github.
>> Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to 
>> changes, so they come to your email box.
>>
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Does pickwiki bring changes to you?  I get emails from GH and BB as
well.  I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the
worlds developers, and sharpen our skills.  We are currently way too
ingrown to attract new blood.

Heck, even g+ group could be fun.




On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> There's a miscommunication here.
> I don't want a site where I have to go TO the site.
> I want the changes to come to me.
> Watching a github site, means you have to go to github.
> Rather, we should have a site where you can subscribe through email, to 
> changes, so they come to your email box.
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Github is pretty good for that, as well as bitbucket.  Forks are
cheap, and you can also set yourself as "watching" a repo.

In my bitbucket u2-tools repo is a copy of ADD_XML_ELEMENT() which was
from Gregor's UV space blog.  I talked to him and he was ok with me
putting it up there, but that is my modded copy to work with Unidata,
not universe.

Nearly all of the tools we have discussed offer an rss feed.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want 
> to watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing 
> that code and republishing it right in the same spot.
>
> That's a subscription to a page change.  But it's not *my* code, I didn't 
> change it or load it.
>
I am not sure how realistic it is for source code to be edited in wiki
fashion.  What about testing?  Where do you file bugs or feature
requests?
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

I wonder if everyone should host where they feel comfortable.  The
common place we congregate should just have pointers out.

The main point I was making is _any_ wiki is not the right place to
share _the_ code.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> Let's say you load a piece of code that does a great XML parsing, but I want 
> to watch that code to get the next update from say... some other guy changing 
> that code and republishing it right in the same spot.
>
> That's a subscription to a page change.  But it's not *my* code, I didn't 
> change it or load it.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel McGrath 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
>
> 'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code'
> You have account settings to turn on/off exactly what you get notified about.
> Does that meet your requirements?
> -Original Message-
> rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
> n Behalf Of Wjhonson
> ent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM
> o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
> I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they 
> come
> t me, instead of me needing to go to them.
>
> -Original Message-
> rom: Daniel McGrath 
> o: U2 Users List 
> ent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:39 am
> ubject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
>  will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set 
> this
> .
> e need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up
> operly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared to mail
> hose people either permission to them in the repository.
> teve & Will, would you be willing to be involved? Anyone who is can email me @
> nmcg...@gmail.com and I will set it up this weekend then email out the
> formation to get this started.
> nce people are committed we can work out appropriate licensing info, etc.
> egards,
> n
> Original Message-
> om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
>  Behalf Of Steve Romanow
> nt: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM
> : U2 Users List
> bject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
> n order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be implemented in
> CK?
> f the goal is to "make our development tasks more efficient" it is making sure
> e labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by another, i.e. Pick syntax
> les for various tools.
> he "collaboration point" whether it is pickwiki or another, does not have to
> st the code, but pointers to the places where the resource can be maintained
> operly.
> n example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki.  I have used that many times and
> eriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available.
>  it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring twice.  The
> ki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch.
>  I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to?  We also need
>  let people know under what license we post the code under.  Can I put MAKEXML
>  on my github and patch it, giving attribution to ECL and KRJ?
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>  As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight 
> TML,
> se MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG like
> tes.google.com or pbwiki uses.  I find that only a few of these have gained
> fficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the other
> mpetitors are just more headaches.
>  Make it searchable.  Sure.  I assume that any web pages are searchable.  You
> ve to actively make something not searchable AFAIK.
>  Useful examples - hopefully.  Make sense to everyone - probably not as
> ossible.  But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to  markup
>  I didn't address docs, but sure why not.
>  Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really.  To find a way to
> llaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems very
> b-webby to me.
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: John Thompson 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
> So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was:
> 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site
> ) Make it searchable
> ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone
> ) Also post the vendor/var docs
> ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here) Maybe you guys are talking  about
> omething else...
> Github, svn, cvs, P

Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

In order to realize this vision, does every solution have to be
implemented in PICK?

If the goal is to "make our development tasks more efficient" it is
making sure the labor that one of us puts in is not reproduced by
another, i.e. Pick syntax files for various tools.

The "collaboration point" whether it is pickwiki or another, does not
have to host the code, but pointers to the places where the resource
can be maintained properly.

An example is the MAKEXML program on the wiki.  I have used that many
times and I seriously appreciate ECL and KRJ for making it available.
Is it perfect, not really, every time I use it, I get the docstring
twice.  The wiki is not the way to communicate that it needs a patch.
If I did (which I should) fix my copy, who do I communicate it to?  We
also need to let people know under what license we post the code
under.  Can I put MAKEXML up on my github and patch it, giving
attribution to ECL and KRJ?



On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> As the OP, I like the idea of a wiki, provided it can either use straight 
> HTML, use MediaWiki markup (which is slightly different), or use a WYSIWIG 
> like sites.google.com or pbwiki uses.  I find that only a few of these have 
> gained sufficient traction that most gearheads know how to use them, the 
> other competitors are just more headaches.
>
> Make it searchable.  Sure.  I assume that any web pages are searchable.  You 
> have to actively make something not searchable AFAIK.
>
> Useful examples - hopefully.  Make sense to everyone - probably not as 
> possible.  But anything that doesn't make sense, you'd be able to markup
>
> I didn't address docs, but sure why not.
>
> Collaborate - that's the main point of my message really.  To find a way to 
> collaborate that is more immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems 
> very cob-webby to me.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Thompson 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
>
> So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was:
> 1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site
> ) Make it searchable
> ) Have useful examples that make sense to everyone
> ) Also post the vendor/var docs
> ) Collaborate on ideas (like we do here)
> Maybe you guys are talking about something else...
> Github, svn, cvs, PRC and all those are great tools, but, they probably
> ren't going to create the "Wikipedia" of the MV world.
> The above can be done, but, it needs to become a living/breathing thing
> hat gets updated a lot, otherwise, folks won't use it.  Hence the
> hallenge- making it a living/breathing thing.
> I know this kind of thing has been tried, and is being tried... but there
> robably isn't enough flag waving and marketing to keep it going.
> Or people create something, and try to make it subscription based, which in
> his day and time is never going to work with something like the above.
> Some of the things I know about are:
> http://www.nuwiki.com/cgi-bin/nuwiki.cgi?home&project=nuwiki
> ttp://www.keyally.com/prdb/universe/basic_tree_all.html
> ttp://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
> Anyway, I'd like to help with something like that.  I'm just not sure at my
> tage in life, that I have the time to spearhead it and become the chief
> Architect" of something like that.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>>
>  Personally I respond more immediately when something comes at me.
>  Would it not be possible to set up a mailing list for any changes to
>  Incubator code?  So all users on that list get emailed when a change is
>  made?
>  I think this would propel both use of the code, and misuse
>  enhancement.
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Brian Leach 
>  To: U2 Users List 
>  Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm
>  Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
>
>  Mecki
>  Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The
>  intent
>  s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the
>  echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have
>  been
>  rying to pursuade the community to get involved.
>  Brian
>  ent from my ASUS Eee Pad
>  Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
>  >I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation.
>  Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to
>  figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with
>  the technology.
>  A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they
>  know even less then you do.
>  It is very frustrating if the business asks, 'can we do that?' and you
>  can only answer, 'yes, I know it's possible but I don't know how to make
>  it work.'
>  And how am I to show the young guys all the flash things I have seen in
>  demos or heard about here if I can't get them to work myself?
>
>  On 17/11/2011 20:55, David Jordan wrote:
>  > The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage

Re: [U2] Code Collaboration [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

I am aware.  I do like your product.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Susan Joslyn  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Just in case you didn't know -- PRC does all of that.  J
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Susan Joslyn
>
> PRC - IT Governance for U2
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:13:31 -0500
>
> From: Steve Romanow 
>
> To: U2 Users List 
>
> Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
>
> Message-ID:
>
>
>
> Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
>
> use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.
>
>
>
> Maybe a packager for SB+
>
>
>
> A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object.
>
>
>
> I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge project, but
>
> got busy on many other things.
>
>
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Another need/want I have is a pygments [1] file for Unibasic.  That
was syntax hilighting works on all the webapps that use pygments (such
as github, trac, wordpress).

[1] http://pygments.org/

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> I have some U2 related code on these two sites.
>
> https://bitbucket.org/slestak/u2-tools
> https://github.com/slestak/RocketUnidata
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
>> Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
>> For each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John Thompson  
>> wrote:
>>> Ya know what I think the real problem is...
>>>
>>> Most of us have about 100 irons in the fire, and, we would all love to
>>> maintain/contribute, but, every time we start something, we realize, "Oh
>>> crap,
>>> someone has to administer that"  Then once the poor soul administering it,
>>> gets busy, misses a few requests, etc... then the people contributing say,
>>> "Oh well, that must not be maintained anymore, or that guy/gal must be
>>> busy."
>>>
>>> I think we can create something, the real problem is, finding folks with
>>> enough
>>> time/motivation/drive, etc. to monitor/maintain/administer it.
>>> Contributing is the easy part.
>>> Organizing, documenting, and making it presentable is the hard part.
>>>
>>> On top of that most programmers/technicians, are sucky documenters, or would
>>> rather not document at all, OR, they assume that you are as smart as they
>>> are,
>>> or were when they wrote something.
>>>
>>> So I'm for it, and I could devote some time to it here and there...
>>> But, we have to overcome the challenges I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Thats my two cents.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The PickWiki is a place where code can be published, but I haven't seen
>>>> even one case where code has been taken, enhanced, and put back.
>>>> So it doesn't appear to be a good place for collaboration.
>>>>
>>>> If people however post code snippets here, or at comp.databases.pick there
>>>> will be remarks and modifications within hours.
>>>>
>>>> Attempts at making Pick code collaboration projects have been mostly
>>>> unsuccessful.  Why?
>>>> How can we create a true collaborative project and Would Anyone Come ?
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Yeah, the data is good, but the output is not what I want.  and I
couldn't use it on a select list of items.

It is better than nothing, but not really what I am looking for.

I use vimdiff a lot (with my U2 work) and one thing I love is when
there is a difference on a line, it hilights where on the line the
change is.

If you use SB.COMPARE on say a report writer .TXT object, you know
that a field has been added, but where the diff is not easily seen.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Colin Alfke  wrote:
> I take it you find the SB+ /COMPARE tool a little wanting
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Romanow
>
> Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
> use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.
>
> Maybe a packager for SB+
>
> A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object.
>
> I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge project, but
> got busy on many other things.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Rex Gozar wrote:
>> So what collaborative project do you want to start?  What do you want to
> build?
>
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.

Maybe a packager for SB+

A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object.

I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge project, but
got busy on many other things.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Rex Gozar  wrote:
> So what collaborative project do you want to start?  What do you want to 
> build?
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Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut

[Steve Romanow]

I bet Noel has it.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> Good point.  DC just uses telnet on port 21 thought correct?
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:04 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
>> Maybe, maybe not. If one port is open on the firewall to allow the
>> connection, but, another is required to keep the connection alive, and
>> thats the one its not allowing out, then that could be your problem.  Just
>> another SWAG.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
>>
>>> I would think if the firewall was an issue, you wouldn't be able to
>>> connect at all.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
>>> > Thanks John,
>>> >
>>> > I'll have a word with the system admin if I actually (need to) have the
>>> > firewall switched on.
>>> > Win7 is new to us. I have been the guinea pig and can live with it.
>>> > But all new PCs in the company are now Win7 so getting this sorted would
>>> be
>>> > nice.
>>> >
>>> > Mecki
>>> >
>>> > On 16/11/2011 19:53, John Thompson wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> One thing to note, which you may already know...
>>> >>
>>> >> The Windows Firewall in WIndows 7 filters inbound and OUTBOUND traffic.
>>> >>
>>> >> So you may just want to turn it off altogether and see what happens.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Mecki Foerthmann
>>>  wrote:
>>> >>
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Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut

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Good point.  DC just uses telnet on port 21 thought correct?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:04 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
> Maybe, maybe not. If one port is open on the firewall to allow the
> connection, but, another is required to keep the connection alive, and
> thats the one its not allowing out, then that could be your problem.  Just
> another SWAG.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
>
>> I would think if the firewall was an issue, you wouldn't be able to
>> connect at all.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
>> > Thanks John,
>> >
>> > I'll have a word with the system admin if I actually (need to) have the
>> > firewall switched on.
>> > Win7 is new to us. I have been the guinea pig and can live with it.
>> > But all new PCs in the company are now Win7 so getting this sorted would
>> be
>> > nice.
>> >
>> > Mecki
>> >
>> > On 16/11/2011 19:53, John Thompson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One thing to note, which you may already know...
>> >>
>> >> The Windows Firewall in WIndows 7 filters inbound and OUTBOUND traffic.
>> >>
>> >> So you may just want to turn it off altogether and see what happens.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Mecki Foerthmann
>>  wrote:
>> >>
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Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut

[Steve Romanow]

I would think if the firewall was an issue, you wouldn't be able to
connect at all.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
> Thanks John,
>
> I'll have a word with the system admin if I actually (need to) have the
> firewall switched on.
> Win7 is new to us. I have been the guinea pig and can live with it.
> But all new PCs in the company are now Win7 so getting this sorted would be
> nice.
>
> Mecki
>
> On 16/11/2011 19:53, John Thompson wrote:
>>
>> One thing to note, which you may already know...
>>
>> The Windows Firewall in WIndows 7 filters inbound and OUTBOUND traffic.
>>
>> So you may just want to turn it off altogether and see what happens.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
>>
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

I have some U2 related code on these two sites.

https://bitbucket.org/slestak/u2-tools
https://github.com/slestak/RocketUnidata


On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
> For each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
>> Ya know what I think the real problem is...
>>
>> Most of us have about 100 irons in the fire, and, we would all love to
>> maintain/contribute, but, every time we start something, we realize, "Oh
>> crap,
>> someone has to administer that"  Then once the poor soul administering it,
>> gets busy, misses a few requests, etc... then the people contributing say,
>> "Oh well, that must not be maintained anymore, or that guy/gal must be
>> busy."
>>
>> I think we can create something, the real problem is, finding folks with
>> enough
>> time/motivation/drive, etc. to monitor/maintain/administer it.
>> Contributing is the easy part.
>> Organizing, documenting, and making it presentable is the hard part.
>>
>> On top of that most programmers/technicians, are sucky documenters, or would
>> rather not document at all, OR, they assume that you are as smart as they
>> are,
>> or were when they wrote something.
>>
>> So I'm for it, and I could devote some time to it here and there...
>> But, we have to overcome the challenges I mentioned.
>>
>> Thats my two cents.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The PickWiki is a place where code can be published, but I haven't seen
>>> even one case where code has been taken, enhanced, and put back.
>>> So it doesn't appear to be a good place for collaboration.
>>>
>>> If people however post code snippets here, or at comp.databases.pick there
>>> will be remarks and modifications within hours.
>>>
>>> Attempts at making Pick code collaboration projects have been mostly
>>> unsuccessful.  Why?
>>> How can we create a true collaborative project and Would Anyone Come ?
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Re: [U2] Code Collaboration

[Steve Romanow]

Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
For each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
> Ya know what I think the real problem is...
>
> Most of us have about 100 irons in the fire, and, we would all love to
> maintain/contribute, but, every time we start something, we realize, "Oh
> crap,
> someone has to administer that"  Then once the poor soul administering it,
> gets busy, misses a few requests, etc... then the people contributing say,
> "Oh well, that must not be maintained anymore, or that guy/gal must be
> busy."
>
> I think we can create something, the real problem is, finding folks with
> enough
> time/motivation/drive, etc. to monitor/maintain/administer it.
> Contributing is the easy part.
> Organizing, documenting, and making it presentable is the hard part.
>
> On top of that most programmers/technicians, are sucky documenters, or would
> rather not document at all, OR, they assume that you are as smart as they
> are,
> or were when they wrote something.
>
> So I'm for it, and I could devote some time to it here and there...
> But, we have to overcome the challenges I mentioned.
>
> Thats my two cents.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
>>
>> The PickWiki is a place where code can be published, but I haven't seen
>> even one case where code has been taken, enhanced, and put back.
>> So it doesn't appear to be a good place for collaboration.
>>
>> If people however post code snippets here, or at comp.databases.pick there
>> will be remarks and modifications within hours.
>>
>> Attempts at making Pick code collaboration projects have been mostly
>> unsuccessful.  Why?
>> How can we create a true collaborative project and Would Anyone Come ?
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Re: [U2] Dynamic Connect TimeOut

[Steve Romanow]

Are you using System Builder?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Bill Brutzman  wrote:
> A user here with a Windows 7 PC indicates that DC keeps logging him out... 
> automatically.
>
> He says that he launches DC in the morning... minimizes it... comes back 
> later... and is presented with the unix login prompt.
>
> We have UniVerse v10.3.6 running on HP-Ux 11i v2.
>
> This problem is new to me.
>
> I presume that he has a timeout parameter specified somewhere in the Ux login.
>
> Help would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [U2] Mercurial/TortoiseHg source version control

[Steve Romanow]

I think I am about to convert to git.  After using both for a while,
git is growing on me.  It is a less opinionated tool.  By that I
suggest that is supports more workflows.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Barber, Bonnie
 wrote:
> I will be glad to, if I ever get it figured out.  I am still confused by all 
> the new verbiage that goes with it, for instance the statement in the reply 
> from WOL Lists:
>>>Except that - iirc (I use git) - mercurial is a DVCS, so the concept of 
>>>check-in/out no longer exists ...<<
>
>
>
> I am just an old PICK person; this is all new stuff to me, LOL!!
>
>
>
> Bonnie
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:24 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Mercurial/TortoiseHg source version control
>
>
>
> Bonnie,
>
>
>
> For CVS here, I setup TortoiseCVS to SSH into the linux machine and
>
> checkout/checkin changes to the repository.  For Mercurial/TortoiseHg
>
> there should be something similar, e.g. hg push
>
> ssh://hguser@192.168.1.5/hg/, so you can push your changes to your
>
> designated repository.  Is your repository on the AIX box?  Then ssh
>
> is probably your best bet.
>
>
>
> Right now I am using cygwin on my development PC so I can port and
>
> test my shell scripts, so I do not have experience with TortoiseHg yet
>
> -- just command line stuff.  Let me know what you do to get it going
>
> so I can copy your settings!
>
>
>
> rex
>
>
>
>>What I do not understand is how to get the programs back out to make changes.
>
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Re: [U2] Mercurial/TortoiseHg source version control

[Steve Romanow]

One thing to be aware of with whichever vcs you choose, pat attention
to end-of-line characters.

There are some configuration settings in mercurial to say "these are
always unix files" and will not let an checkin from a windows machine
inadvertently send dos Ctl-M's.

Git for aix is available here.  http://www.perzl.org/aix/index.php?n=Main.Git
Mercurial for AIX can be found here.  http://www.lunch.org.uk/aix/rpms/

Note that Tortoise will only let you operate on a local repo.  You can
push and pull to the remote dvcs server, but any graphs or logs you
view will be for your local clone of the servers repo.



On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Rex Gozar  wrote:
> Bonnie,
>
> For CVS here, I setup TortoiseCVS to SSH into the linux machine and
> checkout/checkin changes to the repository.  For Mercurial/TortoiseHg
> there should be something similar, e.g. hg push
> ssh://hguser@192.168.1.5/hg/, so you can push your changes to your
> designated repository.  Is your repository on the AIX box?  Then ssh
> is probably your best bet.
>
> Right now I am using cygwin on my development PC so I can port and
> test my shell scripts, so I do not have experience with TortoiseHg yet
> -- just command line stuff.  Let me know what you do to get it going
> so I can copy your settings!
>
> rex
>
>>What I do not understand is how to get the programs back out to make changes.
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Re: [U2] Mercurial/TortoiseHg source version control

[Steve Romanow]

I use Mercurial for my Unidata source code (which is in DIR files).
Have been for maybe 2 years now.  I do not try to run a separate
working directory for each dev.  I basically act as a company
librarian and commit all changes for the team.  It is not optimum, but
it works for us.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Rex Gozar  wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Would it possible to export all the source code from PRC into a flat
> file/directory format for Mercurial?
>
> rex
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Tom Whitmore  wrote:
>> We use PRC, which is a "PICK" based product.  We have seen a marked 
>> improvement in the whole development cycle since using PRC.
>> Tom Whitmore
>> RATEX Business Solutions
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Re: [U2] Error Message: non-writeable Subscribing File

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Maybe pcperform a unix mv to rename it as a workaround.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Butera  wrote:
> On 11/14/2011 03:03 PM, Steve Lowe wrote:
>>
>> Since our move to the RH Linux (version 7.2.7) in May 2011, we have had
>> problems with a Web application that should rename / copy a XML file to a
>> HTML formatted file. The command being executed is:
>>
>> COPY FROM _HOLD_ FILE_NAME, FILE_NAME2 OVERWRITING DELETING
>>
>> On our OLD HP-UX server, the process worked correctly. Not so on the new
>> RH environment.
>>
>> The error message is:
>>
>> _HOLD_(55124381,64770) is non-writeable subscribing file
>>
>> Search of the archives did not yield much. Permissions on the _HOLD_
>> directory are 777.
>
> This is an open bug with Rocket - I  believe Wally was able to have some of
> their people reproduce this internally.
>
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Re: [U2] Extracting XML attributes

[Steve Romanow]

Try opening the xml file with firefox or chrome to make sure it is a
well formed file.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Bobby Worley  wrote:
> My latest challenge:
>
>>PREPARE.XML FEED.XML MYXML
> Prepare the XMLDOM failed.
> XMLParser error message: A DOM error occured during parsing.
>
> UNIVERSE RELLEVEL
> 001 X
> 002 11.1.0
> 003 PICK
> 004 PICK.FORMAT
> 005 11.1.0
>
> Aix Version 5.3.0.0
>
> FEED.XML is 16mb.
>
> It prepares just fine on UV 10.1.17.  Unfortunately it wont list on UV
> 10.1 because UV 10.1 is not aware of namespaces.
>
> This is making my pull my hair out... I don't need this on a Friday.
>
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Re: [U2] Suggestions for flattening Multivalues...

[Steve Romanow]

I have used Sleepy Mongoose to push data to mongo via curl.

http://www.snailinaturtleneck.com/blog/2010/02/22/sleepy-mongoose-a-mongodb-rest-interface/

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM, DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com)
 wrote:
>
>
> Try MongoDB - It's a good match to a mvdbms and has drivers for most common
> programming environments.
>
> djm
>
>
> phil walker-2 wrote:
>>
>> Why are you using MySql if you are after free you could use Postgresql
>> which I believe supported nested tables built in?
>>
>>
>
>
> -
>
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>
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Re: [U2] Suggestions for flattening Multivalues...

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Are any of the multivalued fields associated to each other?  You would
have a subtable per association, not per column.

The messiness still exists, it just needs to be managed.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:57 PM, George Gallen  wrote:
> I was looking more for ideas on how to setup the database structure to handle 
> the 1:n other than the
>  Sidebar tables joined to the master table.
>
> Right now, the scope of the data being moved off is fairly small, I didn't 
> want to involve any other apps
>  The querying app would be custom in itself (most likely php or something)
>
> Just this one file we are moving contains about 20 different multivalued 
> fields, and it seemed a little
> Overkill to have to create 21 tables to contain the data in a form MySQL can 
> handle. I guess that what
> Happens when you've been raised on multivalue database structure, and are 
> forced to work with one that
> Does not handle it natively!
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:41 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Suggestions for flattening Multivalues...
>
> It might be worth doing some of this work with an ORM (Object Relation
> Mapper).  Almost all higher level languages have them.  Once you get
> things configured, the messiness of the joins is hidden behind
> syntactic sugar.
>
> Here is a comparison of a lot of them from wikipedia.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_object-relational_mapping_software
>
> SQLAlchemy is a market leader for python.  If you are a microsoft
> shop, I understand LINQ us really nice.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Integrated_Query#LINQ_to_SQL
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM, George Gallen  
> wrote:
>> I'm in the process of creating/updating a MySQL database for external 
>> applications to analyze some of the data.
>>
>> My initial method of dealing with a multivalued field, is to create it's own 
>> table, keyed to the master table (1:n)
>> But this gets a little tedious if you have a bunch of multivalued fields - 
>> and creates really bulky SQL statements with all the joins.
>>
>> What other ways are people using to work with 1:n relationships?
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Re: [U2] Suggestions for flattening Multivalues...

[Steve Romanow]

It might be worth doing some of this work with an ORM (Object Relation
Mapper).  Almost all higher level languages have them.  Once you get
things configured, the messiness of the joins is hidden behind
syntactic sugar.

Here is a comparison of a lot of them from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_object-relational_mapping_software

SQLAlchemy is a market leader for python.  If you are a microsoft
shop, I understand LINQ us really nice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Integrated_Query#LINQ_to_SQL

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM, George Gallen  wrote:
> I'm in the process of creating/updating a MySQL database for external 
> applications to analyze some of the data.
>
> My initial method of dealing with a multivalued field, is to create it's own 
> table, keyed to the master table (1:n)
> But this gets a little tedious if you have a bunch of multivalued fields - 
> and creates really bulky SQL statements with all the joins.
>
> What other ways are people using to work with 1:n relationships?
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Re: [U2] OPENSEQ / WRITESEQ and UniObjects

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I typically will throw a "touch filename" before the openseq.  does
the uniobjects user have permissions on the disk?

Maybe try something innocuous to see if the job is executing at all.



On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Holt, Jake  wrote:
> It fails to write.  It gives the failure to open error as well, but I believe 
> that is fairly standard if the file doesn't exist before hand.  It operations 
> normally, just doesn't write the records to the file.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] OPENSEQ / WRITESEQ and UniObjects
>
> I don't know if we have enough information.  Does it start?  No output 
> whatsoever?  IIRC, you can tell writeseq not to cache and to write to disk 
> immediately.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Holt, Jake  wrote:
>> I wrote a program to export some data using openseq/writeseq (to a
>> local server drive, tried a UNC path too) and it works perfectly until
>> I try to call it using UniObjects.  Is this normal behavior?  If so,
>> anyway to make it work with UniObjects?
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Re: [U2] OPENSEQ / WRITESEQ and UniObjects

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I don't know if we have enough information.  Does it start?  No output
whatsoever?  IIRC, you can tell writeseq not to cache and to write to
disk immediately.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Holt, Jake  wrote:
> I wrote a program to export some data using openseq/writeseq (to a local
> server drive, tried a UNC path too) and it works perfectly until I try
> to call it using UniObjects.  Is this normal behavior?  If so, anyway to
> make it work with UniObjects?
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Re: [U2] UD Re-indexing

[Steve Romanow]

Google for "Take Ownership".  I had some strange permissions errors on
win7 that were resolved by not just having permissions, but I had to
be the Owner of the file I was operating on.

Do you have a support contract with Rocket?

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Bill Haskett  wrote:
> I run UD v7.2.7 on a Windows 2008 R2 machine.  I've an account that has
> administrator and unidata group permissions assigned for "full control".
>  However, when I try to delete, recreate, then build the index on a
> particular multi-level file I get:
>
> ...removing indexes for APOPEN file...
> No indices created on file "APOPEN"
>
> ...removing indexes for APOPEN,HISTORY file...
> errno=13: Permission denied
> Delete index file 'APOPEN\X_HISTORY' failed
>
> ...now creating indexes for APOPEN...
> "INDEX_1.HISTORY": can not create multiple indices on same location
> No new indices are created
>
> ...now creating indexes for APOPEN,HISTORY...
> One "*" represents 1000 records
> 
>
>  8057 record(s) processed.
>
> The following is the index information on this file (the indexes are 33
> bytes long):
>
> 3 Allegis (0)-> LIST-INDEX APOPEN,HISTORY
> Alternate Key Index Details for File APOPEN,HISTORY             Page   1
>
> File..  APOPEN,HISTORY
> Alternate key length..  45
> Node/Block size...  4K
> OV blocks.  1 (0 in use, 0 overflowed)
> Indices...  1 (0 D-type)
> Index updates.  Enabled, No updates pending
>
> Index-Name..  F-type K-type Built Empties Dups In-DICT S/M
> F-no/VF-expr
> INDEX_1.HISTORY   V      Txt    Yes   Yes     Yes  Yes     S   OCONV( TRANS(
> "A
>                                                               PCHECKS",
> CHECK_
>                                                               ID, 3, "X" ),
> 'M
>                                                               R%5' ) ;
> OCONV(
>                                                               TRANS(
> "APCHECKS
>                                                               ", CHECK_ID,
> 4,
>                                                               "X" ), 'MR%7'
> )
>                                                               ; OCONV(
> *OCONV(
>                                                                @ID, 'G*1'
> )*,
>                                                               'MR%5' ) :
> YRMO_
>                                                               PD : @2 :
> OCONV(
>                                                                CLIENTNO,
> 'MR%5
>                                                               ' ) : @1 :
> OCONV
>                                                               ( INVDATE,
> 'MR%5
>                                                               ' )
>
> Alternate Key Index Details for File APOPEN,HISTORY             Page   2
>
> File..  APOPEN,HISTORY
> Alternate key length..  45
> Node/Block size...  4K
> OV blocks.  1 (0 in use, 0 overflowed)
> Indices...  1 (0 D-type)
> Index updates.  Enabled, No updates pending
>
> Index-Name..  F-type K-type Built Empties Dups In-DICT S/M
> F-no/VF-expr
>
> Does anyone know what's happening here and why I'm getting a "permissions"
> error?  Things I didn't try; reload Windows, reinstall UniData, deleting and
> re-creating the data file.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Haskett
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Re: [U2] UniBasic Question

[Steve Romanow]

I reread my post and meant no disrespect Wols.  I shouldnt post replies
without considering twice.
On Oct 25, 2011 7:00 PM, "Wols Lists"  wrote:

> On 25/10/11 22:22, Steve Romanow wrote:
> > I don't know if I agree that SELECT is faster.  If you are using
> > indexed fields, SELECT is definitely not the good choice.
> >
> SELECT *is* faster. Because it does far less work!
>
> EXECUTE SELECT needs to read the entire file to create a select list.
>
> SELECT merely reads group 0 to create a partial select list, then when
> it's exhausted goes on to group 1 and so on and so on.
>
> Which is BEST depends on what you want. Which is FASTER is always SELECT.
>
> (Oh - and while the poster didn't get it quite right, READNEXT is fast
> on UV, because while it doesn't pull the record into your program,
> because the key and data are stored together the mere act of accessing
> the key will cache the data at the same time).
>
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Re: [U2] UniBasic Question

[Steve Romanow]

Consider a sparse file.  I have seen where a execute select is faster so I
counter your AlwaysFaster claim. Like the previous poster said,  it will
always be fastest to start,  but not always first to complete.
On Oct 25, 2011 7:00 PM, "Wols Lists"  wrote:

> On 25/10/11 22:22, Steve Romanow wrote:
> > I don't know if I agree that SELECT is faster.  If you are using
> > indexed fields, SELECT is definitely not the good choice.
> >
> SELECT *is* faster. Because it does far less work!
>
> EXECUTE SELECT needs to read the entire file to create a select list.
>
> SELECT merely reads group 0 to create a partial select list, then when
> it's exhausted goes on to group 1 and so on and so on.
>
> Which is BEST depends on what you want. Which is FASTER is always SELECT.
>
> (Oh - and while the poster didn't get it quite right, READNEXT is fast
> on UV, because while it doesn't pull the record into your program,
> because the key and data are stored together the mere act of accessing
> the key will cache the data at the same time).
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [U2] UniBasic Question

[Steve Romanow]

But you are potentially reducing your input set for the 2nd criteria
by a large margin correct?

I've never considered alt key + non-indexed usage to create disk thrash.

When you select on an alternate key index, you are reading the file,
but (in Udt at least) an X_myfile binary file.  So you are doing a
direct read for the matching keys.  It has no knowledge of the file
layout.



On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> Yes yes and no.
>
> If you execute a SSELECT on an indexed field, and don't specify NO.INDEX and 
> do NOT refer at all to any other fields in the file, then index does NOT read 
> the record to see if it even actually exists.  It just retrieves the list of 
> keys from the index.
>
> If you specific a SSELECT on an indexed field and ALSO specify some other 
> field criteria, then the select is *supposed* to use the index field FIRST to 
> retrieve the list of keys and ONLY THEN read each record to see whether it 
> matches the other criteria.  So the "first pass" if you will should be 
> lightning fast, but then IF your other criteria makes it traverse the 
> majority of the file you are in for big Trouble with a "T" that rhymes with 
> "P" that stands for "Pool".
>
> The reason you are in for trouble in this last case, is that traversing the 
> majority of the file causes Disk Thrashing which is bad very bad very very 
> bad.  It causes this because you are forcing the system to reference the 
> records out-of-disk-order.  So it's jumping, jumping, jumping all over the 
> disk in a helter skelter summer swelter.
>
> You want to avoid that.
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Re: [U2] UniBasic Question

[Steve Romanow]

I think we are bike-shedding this now :)

I seem to recall that if the indexed field is _before_ the non indexed
field, its benefit is not lost.  I have not looked close at that in a
long time.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Woodward, Bob
 wrote:
> Add a second selection criteria and the benefit of the index is washed
> out.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Stevenson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:39 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] UniBasic Question
>
> True on UV, too.
> Compare output of these using EXPLAIN keyword:
> LIST FILE WITH indexed_field = "soemthing"  EXPLAIN
> LIST FILE WITH indexed_field = "soemthing"  EXPLAIN  NO.INDEX
>
> Or forget EXPLAIN, but do it with a large file and notice the speed
> differnce.
>
> On 10/25/2011 4:29 PM, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote:
 I don't know if I agree that SELECT is faster.  If you are using
 indexed fields, SELECT is definitely not the good choice.
>> Are you saying that when there is an index, the system does not need
> to
>> read the record at all?  It just gets the SELECT list from the index?
> Is
>> this only true in Unidata?
>>
>> Charles Shaffer
>> Senior Analyst
>> NTN-Bower Corporation
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Re: [U2] UniBasic Question

[Steve Romanow]

I don't know if I agree that SELECT is faster.  If you are using
indexed fields, SELECT is definitely not the good choice.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM,   wrote:
>>> Unless you know the keys to the records you're selecting, even the
>>> EXECUTE "SELECT ..." is going to have to read each record, how else
>>> would it know which records to throw out?
>
> SELECT is definitely faster than EXECUTE "SELECT..." and I try and use it
> first.
>
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> Senior Analyst
> NTN-Bower Corporation
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Re: [U2] HP UX to IBM AIX questions

[Steve Romanow]

I wish when we got our new machine we used jfs2.  Take a look at that
if you have not procured the machine yet.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Dan Fitzgerald  wrote:
>
> AIX handles memory in a very different manner than HP/UX. While you'll have 
> less to deal with, the parameters you do need to tune are different, and in a 
> few crucial instances, the default is a bad choice for a U2 installation. 
> You'll also see that AIX uses ALL of its available memory to cache files; 
> folks are often alarmed to see only a few Mb of RAM free.
>
> I hope you're looking at the new Power Blades (JS70x) in the Blade H center 
> under PowerVM: sweee---eee---eet.
>
>> From: bl...@shaklee.com
>> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:52:45 -0700
>> Subject: [U2] HP UX to IBM AIX questions
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We are considering going from our HP 9000 systems to IBM AIX. What has to be
>> done to make that happen?   Do we need to recompile our source code? Are
>> there any licensing issues? Is the data transportable or do we need to
>> massage it? What about the dict items? Any other gotcha's?
>>
>> Is this an easy or difficult?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bruce Lunt
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Re: [U2] Unidata AIX commands for commands like LIST.READU and LIST.QUEUE?

[Steve Romanow]

Umm, PORT.STATUS <> /usr/bin/ps

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jeff Schasny  wrote:
> ps would be PORT.STATUS. Try man ps for the billions of options.
>
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Re: [U2] Unidata AIX commands for commands like LIST.READU and LIST.QUEUE?

[Steve Romanow]

LLOCKS is a SystemBuilder screen to display LIST.READU data.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
> You probably already thought of this...
>
> Try looking in the bin/udt directory or wherever Unidata is installed.
>
> For example on Universe 10.3 on AIX 5.3
> cd /usr/ibm/uv/bin/uv
> ls -la
>
> ..Sample..
> -rwxr-x--x    1 root     staff       2034555 Aug 26 2009  plock_set
> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     system           10 May 27 2009  port.status ->
> list_readu
> -rwxr-x--x    1 root     staff       2052083 Aug 26 2009  port_sql
> -rwxr-x--x    1 root     staff       2036007 Aug 26 2009  portuv
>
> You can use sudo for commands that need "Admin" privileges if you don't want
> to execute them as root.
> As root, run:
> visudo
>
> My initial thoughts...
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Kevin King  wrote:
>
>> Are there AIX equivalent commands for the following Unidata TCL commands:
>>
>> PORT.STATUS
>> LIST.READU
>> LIST.QUEUE
>> LLOCKS
>>
>> Also, is there any AIX command that will show that a particular telnet
>> session is no longer active (i.e. user X'd out incorrectly or network
>> dropped them)?
>>
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Re: [U2] interesting programming dogmas (good and bad)

[Steve Romanow]

That is really good George, enjoyed it.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, George Gallen
 wrote:
> http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/
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Re: [U2] 64-bit ODBC driver for win 7

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Chris Austin  wrote:
>
> I'm running a 64-bit version of Windows 7 and trying to install the ODBC 
> driver that came with the UniVerse 10.1 client disk but
> I keep getting a message when I run the INSTALL application. The error states:
>
> 'The version of this file is not compatible with the version of windows 
> you're running. Check your computers system information to see
> whether you need a 32-bit or 64-bit version of the program'
>
> Where can I download the 64-bit version of the UniVerse ODBC drivers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
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We just had a thread run through here that addresses this.  It may
have been my prelude user group ML, anyways.

IIRC, there is a 32bit odbc manager that ships with win7 64bit.

You have to use it to manage the driver.

Here is a thread that discusses this point.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/0176b9d1-eef5-4c1c-ab3d-4b481ad6761a
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Re: [U2] SkyBot Scheduler. Was: Job scheduling in UniVerse

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Charles Stevenson
 wrote:
> Has anyone used "SkyBot Scheduler"?
> It's a commercial non-MV-based product we're considering for non-UV reasons.
> If we go that route, I will also schedule UV jobs under it, too, scripting
> as for cron or windows scheduler as others have written.
>

I have not used that one, but I have daydreamed about cutting over to
TaskForest.
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Re: [U2] Lock Status

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kevin King  wrote:
> We do suspect it is from a custom BASIC subroutine, recently installed.  So
> knowing the file we're looking back through any code that was compiled
> within the past 2 weeks and manually searching for READU's that don't WRITE,
> DELETE, or RELEASE.  Sure would be nice if the lock table would report the
> line of code that set the lock.  Just sayin'.
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That does seem like it would be a trivial and cool addition.  Maybe
just on an option switch.
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Re: [U2] Lock Status

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Dave Davis  wrote:
> It's a shame there isn't a file trigger operation on locking reads, just 
> updates and deletes.  That way you could just add it to the file in question.
>

The update trigger might be useful.  Most ppl would lock the record
before updating it.
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Re: [U2] Lock Status

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Daniel McGrath
 wrote:
> LIST.READU will tell you what program owns the lock (as long as the program 
> is still running). The UNO column is the UniData Number, which will relate to 
> a user/process in the PORT.STATUS (no options) command's list.
>

Aren't the locks released when the program stops?
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

That is cool. Wish we could have done a beta and help shake some of these
out.

Thank you Rocket for continuing to push the platform.
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

I am really confused.  If it uses UniObjects, there should be very
little need for the ODBC driver and CONVERT.SQL.

Can we get a clarification on this?
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

This is what I get.  I cannot access ApplicationData on my machine,
which bothers me.  meh.  win7.

http://screencast.com/t/c3QI4gs6
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Daniel McGrath
 wrote:
> If you can think of any instructions that made it hard to work, instructions 
> that are missing or anything else that will make it easier for first time 
> users (eg, Gotcha's that might affect some people we have missed), let us 
> know. The best way for us to make it better is if people give us some 
> constructive feedback (u2as...@rs.com) to work with :)
>
> As a side note, the DataVu 2.0 link on the front page now works (thanks Will 
> & Steve)
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:36 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
> After 45 minutes of trying different things I finally got to step 1.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel McGrath 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
>
> Just to clarify, this is only an issue for UniData (because by default it 
> denies QL access, until you update the privileges). In UniVerse it is as 
> simple as ointing it to your host, typing in your credentials and selecting 
> the account.
> In fact, I just did it on my machine with the SBDEMO account in under 5 
> minutes.
> It is also correct this is a benefit of the Rocket Acquisition. You will find 
> hat going forward will be able to increasingly leverage the other R&D assets 
> of he rest of Rocket to bring new products and tighter integrations to the MV 
> orld then we have previously.
> Regards,
> an
> -Original Message-
> rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
> n Behalf Of Steve Romanow
> ent: Friday, September 02, 2011 12:42 PM
> o: U2 Users List
> ubject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
> Bill,
> I think you are correct.  I was hoping and praying for straight UoJ 
> connection o data, not shoehorned SQL.
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I am having trouble with licensing.  I had 1.0 installed previously
(uninstalled) but when I launch 2.0, i get a dialog stating there is a
problem and it closes DataVue.  I do not get a chance to get to Manage
License.
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

Bill,

I think you are correct.  I was hoping and praying for straight UoJ
connection to data, not shoehorned SQL.

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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Bill Haskett  wrote:
> Steve:
>
> Really?  I was looking at DataVu for UniData and I understood that I did
> need to SQL'ize all my data.  So, if I hosted a number of accounts I'd have
> to go through the entire process of figuring how to duplicate the accounts
> for SQL file access, keep them all straight, and fight with all that this
> entails.
>
> Are you sure I misunderstood this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Haskett
>
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* slestak...@gmail.com
> *To:* U2 Users List 
> *Date:* 9/2/2011 9:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM, John Thompson
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> If my goal was to teach a fairly savvy computer user to get data out of
>>> U2
>>> into, lets say Excel... without the user coming to ask me to write some
>>> query for them...
>>>
>>> What would be the pros/cons of doing the ODBC way, vs. doing it the
>>> DataVu
>>> way?
>>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance... Does that make sense?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Daniel
>>> McGrath>>>
 wrote:
 I'm not entirely sure on what you want here?

 DataVu (the free Query and paid Report&  Dashboard products) are
 querying,
 reporting and dashboard tools whereas ODBC is just an interface.


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:36 AM
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 Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

 Is there a comparison chart of DataVu vs. ODBC?

 I am planning on investigating both for reporting purposes, but, I was
 just
 curious if there was anything out there that listed the pros and cons of
 both in a nice little table.


 On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Daniel McGrath<
 dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
>
> wrote:
> Free as in free beer on the house.
>
> Just install and run. There is no need to authorize.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:20 AM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
> Is this a licensed product?  Or does it come with the U2 licenses we
> have purchased?
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Daniel McGrath<
> dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
>>
>> wrote:
>> Since DataVu Query recently came up here, I thought I should let you
>> all know we have just released a new version of the free DataVu
>> Query tool
>> (v2.0.1)
>>
>> We have introduced new capabilities to combine your queries and

 results.
>>
>>  You can filter and quickly create charts with just a couple of
>> clicks.
>> Also, a new quick start wizard guides you through the steps to
>> connect to your U2 data so you can quickly get up and running with
>> U2 DataVu Query. You can download this from our downloads page.
>>
>> Don't forget we have videos available on U2DevZone on the 'Accelerate'
>> page.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan McGrath
>> U2 Product Manager
>> Rocket Software
>> Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2
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>> DataVue does not.
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
> Give us the direct link to the download page
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel McGrath 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:46 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
>
> Can you let me know which page so I can address it?
> I just successfully started downloading, so I'm not sure where to look.
> Thanks,
> an
> -Original Message-
> rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
> n Behalf Of Wjhonson
> ent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:43 AM
> o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> ubject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
> We’re sorry, but that page doesn’t exist…
>
> Ha!  So Rocket is looking to hire a website developer?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> rom: Daniel McGrath 
> o: U2 Users List 
> ent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:31 am
> ubject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
> ree as in free beer on the house.
> ust install and run. There is no need to authorize.
> egards,
> n
> Original Message-
> om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
>  Behalf Of John Thompson
> nt: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:20 AM
> : U2 Users List
> bject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
> s this a licensed product?  Or does it come with the U2 licenses we have
> rchased?
> n Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Daniel McGrath  wrote:
>  Since DataVu Query recently came up here, I thought I should let you
> all know we have just released a new version of the free DataVu Query  tool
> (v2.0.1)
>  We have introduced new capabilities to combine your queries and results.
>  You can filter and quickly create charts with just a couple of clicks.
> Also, a new quick start wizard guides you through the steps to connect  to 
> your
> 2 data so you can quickly get up and running with U2 DataVu  Query. You can
> ownload this from our downloads page.
>  Don't forget we have videos available on U2DevZone on the 'Accelerate'
> page.
>  Regards,
>  Dan McGrath
> U2 Product Manager
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http://screencast.com/t/iCP0GRu8iCP4

Here is where the error is Dan
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

[Steve Romanow]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Daniel McGrath
 wrote:
> Can you let me know which page so I can address it?
>
> I just successfully started downloading, so I'm not sure where to look.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:43 AM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
> We’re sorry, but that page doesn’t exist…
>
>
>
> Ha!  So Rocket is looking to hire a website developer?
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel McGrath 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:31 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>
>
> Free as in free beer on the house.
> Just install and run. There is no need to authorize.
> Regards,
> an
> -Original Message-
> rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
> n Behalf Of John Thompson
> ent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:20 AM
> o: U2 Users List
> ubject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
> Is this a licensed product?  Or does it come with the U2 licenses we have 
> urchased?
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Daniel McGrath   wrote:
>> Since DataVu Query recently came up here, I thought I should let you
>  all know we have just released a new version of the free DataVu Query  tool
>  (v2.0.1)
>
>  We have introduced new capabilities to combine your queries and results.
>  You can filter and quickly create charts with just a couple of clicks.
>  Also, a new quick start wizard guides you through the steps to connect  to 
> your U2 data so you can quickly get up and running with U2 DataVu  Query. You 
> can download this from our downloads page.
>
>  Don't forget we have videos available on U2DevZone on the 'Accelerate'
>  page.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Dan McGrath
>  U2 Product Manager
>  Rocket Software
>  Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2
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The rocket page on the front page has an image for DataVue2.0 and that
leads to a broken link
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
> For example:
>
> If my goal was to teach a fairly savvy computer user to get data out of U2
> into, lets say Excel... without the user coming to ask me to write some
> query for them...
>
> What would be the pros/cons of doing the ODBC way, vs. doing it the DataVu
> way?
>
> Forgive my ignorance... Does that make sense?
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Daniel McGrath > wrote:
>
>> I'm not entirely sure on what you want here?
>>
>> DataVu (the free Query and paid Report & Dashboard products) are querying,
>> reporting and dashboard tools whereas ODBC is just an interface.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
>> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson
>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:36 AM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>>
>> Is there a comparison chart of DataVu vs. ODBC?
>>
>> I am planning on investigating both for reporting purposes, but, I was just
>> curious if there was anything out there that listed the pros and cons of
>> both in a nice little table.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Daniel McGrath <
>> dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Free as in free beer on the house.
>> >
>> > Just install and run. There is no need to authorize.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
>> > u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson
>> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:20 AM
>> > To: U2 Users List
>> > Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>> >
>> > Is this a licensed product?  Or does it come with the U2 licenses we
>> > have purchased?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Daniel McGrath <
>> > dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Since DataVu Query recently came up here, I thought I should let you
>> > > all know we have just released a new version of the free DataVu
>> > > Query tool
>> > > (v2.0.1)
>> > >
>> > > We have introduced new capabilities to combine your queries and
>> results.
>> > >  You can filter and quickly create charts with just a couple of clicks.
>> > > Also, a new quick start wizard guides you through the steps to
>> > > connect to your U2 data so you can quickly get up and running with
>> > > U2 DataVu Query. You can download this from our downloads page.
>> > >
>> > > Don't forget we have videos available on U2DevZone on the 'Accelerate'
>> > > page.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Dan McGrath
>> > > U2 Product Manager
>> > > Rocket Software
>> > > Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2
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The odbc way requires you to use VSG to normalize your U2 data.
DataVue does not.
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Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:36 PM, John Thompson  wrote:
> Is there a comparison chart of DataVu vs. ODBC?
>
> I am planning on investigating both for reporting purposes, but, I was just
> curious if there was anything out there that listed the pros and cons of
> both in a nice little table.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Daniel McGrath > wrote:
>
>> Free as in free beer on the house.
>>
>> Just install and run. There is no need to authorize.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
>> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson
>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:20 AM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] DataVu Query [ad]
>>
>> Is this a licensed product?  Or does it come with the U2 licenses we have
>> purchased?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Daniel McGrath <
>> dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Since DataVu Query recently came up here, I thought I should let you
>> > all know we have just released a new version of the free DataVu Query
>> > tool
>> > (v2.0.1)
>> >
>> > We have introduced new capabilities to combine your queries and results.
>> >  You can filter and quickly create charts with just a couple of clicks.
>> > Also, a new quick start wizard guides you through the steps to connect
>> > to your U2 data so you can quickly get up and running with U2 DataVu
>> > Query. You can download this from our downloads page.
>> >
>> > Don't forget we have videos available on U2DevZone on the 'Accelerate'
>> > page.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Dan McGrath
>> > U2 Product Manager
>> > Rocket Software
>> > Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2
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Giving it a try now.  TY guys.  DV Report is a sep licensed product?
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> Glenn just upgrading from parchment to paper will save the lives of many 
> goats and you won't need to spend all those hours scraping the skins to the 
> right thinness, before you can use it.
>
> I find also that quills have a nasty tendency to drip "Is that line of code X 
> = 45? or does it say "No sex after 45?"
> The difference could be staggering.


omg, only 3 years left o.0
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> BDT = 280 Megabytes
> Really?
> To highlight code?
>
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its the Eclipse factor
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

[Steve Romanow]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> It should be remarked that this Rocket download also requires Eclipse to be 
> loaded.
> It's an enormousely huge and fat monster for such a simple task.
>


here we go again :)  Our bimonthly eclipse discussion ;D
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Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS

[Steve Romanow]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Buffington, Wyatt
 wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to 
> edit UniBasic programs?
> I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded 
> my laptop and it will not run.
> Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible.
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Wyatt
>
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Any of the latest batch of programmer editors can hilight unibasic
code for you.  I am using vim on 64bit win7 with unibasic.vim plugin.

UltraEdit is awesome.  I used it for a few years, and can get you a
unibasic syntax file.

If you dont want to spend any money,  I _think Notepad++ has syntax
highlighting.
http://notepad-plus-plus.org/
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Re: [U2] Strange CASE Statement behavior

[Steve Romanow]

Sometimes it seems all it takes is asking someone else to make the soln pop
up.
On Aug 5, 2011 11:19 AM, "John Thompson"  wrote:
> Thanks guys. One of those days where you stare at something for a while,
> and on't realize the obvious :(
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Marc Harbeson wrote:
>
>> This is the reason you always place CASE 1 at the end... :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:00 AM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Strange CASE Statement behavior
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Based on the values of your variables, your CASE construct is behaving
>> perfectly!
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the reason partial_names_found never executes is
>> because the preceding clause in your CASE statement evaluates to /true/.
>> In a CASE block, each clause is checked until a clause is found which
>> evaluates to /true. /The preceding conditions in the CASE are not
checked.
>>
>> If you really do need to know the results of all conditions, you may be
>> better of with using multiple IF clauses.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Am 05.08.2011 16:57, schrieb John Thompson:
>> > I'm running on Universe 10.3.4 on AIX 5.3 on a PICK flavor account.
>> >
>> > I ran into some really weird behavior with a CASE statement this
morning,
>> or
>> > at least what I deem to be strange.
>> >
>> > I won't post the entire program... yet
>> >
>> > Basically I have some boolean variables that get set earlier in the
>> program
>> > to the following values.
>> >
>> > exact_alpha1_found = @FALSE
>> > partial_alpha1s_found = @TRUE
>> > partial_names_found = @TRUE
>> >
>> > Then the CASE statement does its checks...
>> >
>> > BEGIN CASE
>> > CASE exact_alpha1_found
>> > ...do something...
>> > CASE (partial_alpha1s_found AND partial_names_found)
>> > ...do something...
>> > CASE partial_names_found
>> > ...do something...
>> > END CASE
>> >
>> > However, the CASE partial_names_found never executes. It fails!!!
>> >
>> > Is it only allowed to check these once, and thats it?
>> >
>> > In the debugger the value of partial_names_found is still a 1, even
after
>> > the check fails.
>> >
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Brian Leach  wrote:
> Aptana is now owned by Appcelerator as part of their Titanium platform.
>
> If you're wanting to use that for Droid work email me off-list: I got so fed 
> up trying to get Titanium and Android to play nicely (and their forums are 
> full of people with the same problems) that one I got it all working I 
> started writing a guide to getting up and running specifically for Droid 
> developers so save some pain.
>
> Brian
>
>
> Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad
>
> Steve Romanow  wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> I think you skimmed the article see:
>>>
>>> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
>>> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
>>> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>>>
>>> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
>>> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
>>> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
>>> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
>>> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
>>> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>>>
>>
>>I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
>>available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.
>>
>>I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
>>that development stack.
>>
>>Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
>>supported_ stack endorsed by google.
>>
>>A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
>>"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
>>palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
>>completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
>>out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
>>msft office.
>>
>>I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
>>software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
>>list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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Cool, thank you Brian.  My friend Ben worked out a similar list that
he emailed me.  We should consolidate this somewhere.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

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Funny story about auto-correct.  Last week my team had to think I was
drinking on the job or otherwise incapacitated with the gibberish I
was emailing from my phone without proofing acceptably because of
SwiftKeyX auto correction.  bah.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Doug Averch  wrote:
> Steve:
>
> I think you skimmed the article see:
>
> "The upside is, after acclimating to Eclipse, you’ll enjoy some seriously
> amazing, productivity-boosting code completion, refactoring, and automatic
> fixing. It’ll basically write your code for you."
>
> I think the real problem is that we expect Eclipse to be light weight like
> ED/AE, vi, EMACS, Notepad, or whatever.  Well it is an full IDE and with it
> comes incredible power.  The cost is nominal is today's world where I'm
> using a Windows 7 box with 8 gb of memory and 2 250 gb of hard disk space
> workstation.  However, my Java programmer has our Eclipse running on his
> NetBook with 1 gb of memory he paid under $300.00 for it.
>

I would use your editor before BDT.  I have that functionality already
available to me in vim so I am not in the market for a U2 editor.

I am starting to dabble in droid development so i am on the hunt for
that development stack.

Acclimating to raw eclipse may take me a while, but it is _the
supported_ stack endorsed by google.

A friend made me aware of Aptana, which from their description is
"eclipse with focus" which from first impressions looks very
palatable.  Every editor I mentioned can be configured with code
completion.  Auto-fixing and write my code for me? no thanks.  Wear
out my backspace enough as it is with autocorrect on my droid and in
msft office.

I do wish you the best of luck and have no fault with charging for
software.  Just doing a reality check with some of that devs in the
list have not seen some of the other offerings out there.
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[U2] Why Pick Eclipse?

[Steve Romanow]

Someone on G+ had a post that summed up some of the angst I have
regarding Eclipse.  I think its the overbearing framework followed by
thin plugins.

http://nfarina.com/post/8239634061/ios-to-android

Eclipse has some strong points, but I think some of the apps (plugins)
I have tried had less functionality that free-standing competing apps.

Some examples:

Editor - pydev, bdt, eclim, {insert other editing widget for eclipse here} vs
Any product by JetBrains, Emacs, VIM, Textmate, heck UltraEdit on win32.

For pure editing, all of these competitors have tons of features they
bring to the table.

The major thing BDT and others bring to the table are using u2 rpc and
svn.  Most of the editors I list also have a network layer, or just
using plain Samba on your dir file full of u2 src code.  There are
also dozens of ways to use git, svn, hg, etc.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?

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Neat.  They have a community edition too.  Their charm product has a good
rep.
On Jul 15, 2011 4:24 PM, "Symeon Breen"  wrote:
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Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?

[Steve Romanow]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Tony Gravagno <3xk547...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> From: Steve Romanow
>> When i look at an eclipse application I see 80% ui
>> that is not relevant to the task at hand.  I agree
>> that it and most every app implemented with it are
>> trash.
>
> I agree with the first sentence that Eclipse is bloated, but
> "most every app implemented with it are trash" ??  That's
> unreasonable, as the IDE doesn't relate to the skills of the
> developer, nor the end-product, unless the IDE inherently
> precludes specific language/framework features from being used.
>
> Miscellaneous: Eclipse is now the recommended platform for
> Android apps and thus has attracted a new following.  Personally
> I use NetBeans for both Java and PHP simply because it's
> convenient (and VS for .NET).  It would be nice if we had more
> options for MV-oriented development using mainstream tools.
> There aren't enough companies building in such integration, and
> not enough adoption in this market to make it worth it for more
> companies to step up to the challenge.
>
> T
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That was a trollish unreasonable statement.  I apologize.  I think a
more appropriate statement would be:

overwhelmed by eclipses gargantuan size, and underwhelmed by the
applications presented.

Does it bother anyone that all of the Rocket provided eclipse apps
come with their own static copy of eclipse?

I mean the editor in BDT, is it "that" great of an editor, besides
being graphical and has syntax hilighting?

Real IDE's are necessary for some projects like java and (also java,
Droid) development since it helps with packaging and whatnot.  That
really doesnt seem necessary for an mv app.

I'll stick to my old school vim, mercurial, and ssh.
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Re: [U2] Rocks

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I have been mildly trolling.  I'll stop.
On Jul 14, 2011 7:15 PM, "Rob Sobers"  wrote:
> In fairness, I don't think anyone is trolling. I think it's healthy to
> question the technical merits of the platforms you use and compare them to
> alternatives.
>
> A community that shouts "go away trolls! we like it here!" whenever
someone
> asks an uneasy question is probably one I don't belong in.
>
> I think we are asking fair, on-topic questions about the technology, its
> future, and its usefulness compared to other systems that have entered the
> market. No one is belittling anyone else for using U2 or being a UniBasic
> developer. I've used the technology for many years. I'm just not going to
> be content with a platform that stagnates. When I'm unhappy, I speak up.
> :-)
>
> -Rob
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Jeff Schasny  wrote:
>
>> You were given many reasons and dismissed them all with nothing more than
a
>> shrug.
>>
>> Apparently, now you believe you've made your point. Good for you.
>>
>> Amazing as it may sound, on a list full of people who are U2 developers
>> you're going to find people who use U2 because we're experts in it, and
to
>> us it's as easy as pie to develop in this environment. We use it with
>> various front end tools to make it pretty like any other database
>> environment. We also use a variety of other open source and proprietary
>> tools when the situation calls for it.
>>
>> And now I believe I'll stop feeding the troll and go have some more
coffee.
>>
>>
>> Holt, Jake wrote:
>>
>>> U2 has an easy learning curve ..? What? MV is a completely foreign
>>> concept to most people and I'd wager a large number of DBAs. There is
>>> no conceivable way that installing U2, setting up a database, developing
>>> an application and presenting it using a technology that's not a
>>> dinosaur can be considering easy in comparison to the majority of other
>>> databases out there.
>>> If you're happy with the current MV market then that's fine, but my
>>> original intention in asking the question was to find out if there was
>>> really any conceivable reason that NEW users would adopt U2 over another
>>> option. If people are happy to just watch it bleed and die that's fine,
>>> but if you want the market to grow you're going to have to address some
>>> of the issues already brought up. Issues that many other databases
>>> addressed a decade ago.
>>>
>>> Like I said initially, I like U2, I just have no conceivable reason to
>>> use it outside our ERP system when I have a number of other options
>>> available that are, frankly, better.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: u2-users-bounces@listserver.**u2ug.org<
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>>> [mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<
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>>> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:30 AM
>>> To: U2 Users List
>>> Subject: [U2] Rocks
>>>
>>> Rob:
>>>
>>> This is the U2 list. The developers on this list... like, live, and
>>> breathe U2. U2 is a legacy database for in which, over decades,
>>> companies have invested in mega-mountains of code. I find it galling
>>> when newbies so often expect companies to instantly bail on their
>>> colossal stake.
>>>
>>> Is U2 ever going to be cloud-based? Maybe... maybe not. Although U2 is
>>> the UniVersal choice... for fresh new projects, designers may have good
>>> reasons to opt for a rival technologies. For add-on projects, U2 has an
>>> easy learning curve.
>>>
>>> I hope that this explanation sheds some new light.
>>>
>>> --Bill
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?
>>>
>>> I have to heartily disagree that U2 has a sophisticated business rules
>>> engine. ...
>>>
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Re: [U2] Why Pick Eclipse ?

[Steve Romanow]

Not a fan of any of them.  Slow, clunky.  BDT, are you kidding.  I'll use
edlin first.
On Jul 14, 2011 6:24 PM, "Bill Brutzman"  wrote:
> When looking at an Eclipse app, it might be a good idea to put sunglasses
on first... maybe some special optical apparatus.
>
> There is...
>
> O Rocket's BDT
> O u2Logic's xLR8
> O Adobe Flex Builder
> O Adobe ColdFusion Builder 2
> O Hundreds of Others
>
> "Even a blind man knows when the sun is shinin."
>
> --B
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?
>
> When i look at an eclipse application I see 80% ui that is not relevant to
the task at hand.
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Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?

[Steve Romanow]

When i look at an eclipse application I see 80% ui that is not relevant to
the task at hand.  I agree that it and most every app implemented with it
are trash.
On Jul 14, 2011 6:11 PM, "Doug Averch"  wrote:
> Hi Brian:
>
> Microsoft now has a plug-in for Eclipse see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg413285.aspx. Eclipse just
> released version 3.7 around June 22nd and they have had a million plus
> downloads. They released 62 projects with over 46 million lines of code
> see http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20110622indigo.php.
>
> Eclipse is one of the premier IDE's out in the world. Do want to teach
> people to use ED/AE to create files, edit dictionaries, and edit code all
in
> that pretty wrapper called Telnet? Or do you want to show them a MS based
> editor that only does that? Sorry, your free product does not cut the
> mustard here.
>
> We need to teach the young people coming into U2 world to use the finest
> tool that allows continuous compiling, templates, outlines, bookmarks,
> version control, copying and pasting data, listing files, and searching
all
> within a single IDE to name just a few functions. Whether the Eclipse IDE
> is from U2logic or Rocket Software there is no other tools on the market
> that can compare feature to feature.
>
> We know you can do all of the above with wrappers, amazing VOC items, and
> scripts, but we must have time warped back to 1990's because we don't
really
> need to explain these to a newbie. Those newbie's think we are just a
bunch
> of old men and old women. We know we are the best so lets look like with
> our state of the art tools.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
> www.u2logic.com
> "Version control for the rest of us using Eclipse"
>
>
>> >
>> > And get rid of Eclipse. It's horrible.
>> >
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Re: [U2] JSON

[Steve Romanow]

Doh.  Autocorrect got me.  I meant json record.

Take a look at json.org

That XML example is but one may to model that record.
On Jul 14, 2011 5:36 PM, "Steve Romanow"  wrote:
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Re: [U2] JSON

[Steve Romanow]

Att 4 can be encoded on its own and stored within the parent Jon record.  I
am on my phone so pls don't make me key data structures.  B-)
On Jul 14, 2011 5:32 PM, "George Gallen"  wrote:
> If I have the following dynamic array: TEST
> <1>this
> <2>is
> <3>a
> <4>mv ] test
>
> field 1 = part1
> field2 = part2
> field3 = part3
> field4 = part4
>
> I could make XML as
>
> 
> this
> is
> a
> mv
> test
> 
>
> I'm confused on how this serializes to JSON? Of course I've only been
working with it for a few hours...
>
> {"TEST" : {
> "part1" : "this",
> "part2" : "is",
> "part3" : "a",
> ==this is where I can't figure out how to setup "part4"?
> }}
>
>
>
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Re: [U2] Why Pick U2 ?

[Steve Romanow]

Logging, unittesting,
On Jul 14, 2011 10:12 AM, "Rob Sobers"  wrote:
> Yes, and my point is that in the U2/UniBasic ecosystem, those collections
of
> subroutines are not readily available anywhere.
>
> What if you want to use a web service that emits JSON? Is it going to take
> you 3 lines of code and 5 minutes to write a JSON parser? And what about
> serialization, compression, PDF generation? These things are useful and
not
> trivial to write and maintain.
>
> And what language features have been added to UniBasic lately? I can't
> think of any. No objects, no regular expressions, no lambdas, etc.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Mecki Foerthmann  wrote:
>
>> So what are libraries?
>> They are nothing but a collection of subroutines that somebody else has
>> written.
>> And what do you do if you can't find a function in your library that does
>> exactly what you need?
>> You write your own, right?
>> And by the time you have found the right function in your library you
could
>> have written the 3 lines of code in Basic that do the same thing already.
>> I write Databasic code every day and have done so for over 20 years and
>> hardly ever have use for functions, because if I needed them I would have
>> written my own library by.
>>
>> Mecki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14/07/2011 02:25, Rob Sobers wrote:
>>
>>> I have to heartily disagree that U2 has a sophisticated business rules
>>> engine. U2 Basic is such a limited language. It barely has functions,
>>> and
>>> you have to home brew almost everything.
>>>
>>> Microsoft's T-SQL stored procedures are just as horrible to write as U2
>>> Basic programs. As Jeff Atwood put it -- "Stored procedures should be
>>> considered database assembly language." [1] Why do you think Microsoft
now
>>> allows you to call CLR code from stored procedures? Because it's so much
>>> more efficient to work with the data (i.e., enforce the business rules)
in
>>> a
>>> modern language like C# that has *actual libraries* for doing useful
>>> things.
>>>
>>> I agree that business rules shouldn't be on the client -- but who says
>>> they
>>> have to be in the database? Look at the ever-so-popular MVC
architecture.
>>> The models (i.e., the code that works with the database and enforces all
>>> of
>>> the business rules) are isolated from the views (i.e., the
>>> client/presentation code) entirely.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> [1]:
>>> http://www.codinghorror.com/**blog/2004/10/who-needs-stored-**
>>> procedures-anyways.html<
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/10/who-needs-stored-procedures-anyways.html
>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Kevin King
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for what David said. Yes, there's the "limitation" that BASIC is the
 only native supported language (not factoring external connectors), but
 as
 a
 language native to the environment, this BASIC is really pretty rich by
 comparison to the stored procedure languages of other DBs.
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Re: [U2] Shards

[Steve Romanow]

Yeah.  We had good experience using that functionality at a prior shop.
Wish they would come to Unidata.
On Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM, "Jerry Banker"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Strange I was reading this article on sharding (
http://technoroy.blogspot.com/2008/07/shard-database-design.html) and I
starting thinking as I read. We can do this in UniBasic using UniVerse and
distributed files, what's the big deal. Granted I may not be as up on this
as some of the newbees but I have a few years of decyphering technical
newspeak and it looks like some of the things that a "shard" is, is already
being done in U2. Distributed files, where you can set up tables to be
accessed separately or together, has been around since PI days. "Like" data,
being stored together with a single read and single write is a mainstay of
any of the Pick databases. Jerry
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Re: [U2] python

[Steve Romanow]

I am seriously interested in language bindings as well.  Specifically
serverside.
On Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM, "Symeon Breen"  wrote:
> Not the snake - the language ;)
>
>
>
> At u2u two (or was it 3) years ago a guy from ibm demo'ed some gci code he
> did so you could call any python code from your databasic. He said if
there
> was interest it could be incorporated into u2, and said at the least he
> could release the gci code he did - does anyone have any more on this - i
> could do with something like this.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Symeon.
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Re: [U2] Why use U2, was Interesting Article

[Steve Romanow]

It saves to disk, and iirc you can specify how many replicants it is written
to to be considered "written".

You may be confusing it with memcached or redis, but even they have
persistence.
On Jul 13, 2011 2:02 PM, "Bill Brutzman"  wrote:
> Is Mongo a "persistent" database? That is, does Mongo save the data to
disk, or just RAM?
>
> If it is RAM, then that is ok for tweets between high school chicks... but
not so good for bank accounts.
>
> --Bill
>
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>
> I am a bit of a mongo DB fanboy myself, I think regarding performance,
because of its autosharding any large scale application will definitely beat
u2. Mongo db powers many mainstream enterprise solutions, and high profile
websites, - bit.ly comes to mind, so it certainly has a pedigree as well.
>
> However i am also a u2 fanboy for many many reasons.
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Re: [U2] Why use U2, was Interesting Article

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Shutterfly also has moved to mongo in production.
On Jul 13, 2011 1:56 PM, "Symeon Breen"  wrote:
> I am a bit of a mongo DB fanboy myself, I think regarding performance,
> because of its autosharding any large scale application will definitely
beat
> u2. Mongo db powers many mainstream enterprise solutions, and high profile
> websites, - bit.ly comes to mind, so it certainly has a pedigree as well.
>
> However i am also a u2 fanboy for many many reasons.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rob Sobers
> Sent: 13 July 2011 16:52
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Why use U2, was Interesting Article
>
> Wait, why can't you add a new column to a table in MySQL or SQL Server?
>
> Putting aside the RDMS arguments, (*apart from familiarity*) why wouldn't
> you use something like MongoDB or CouchDB, which are accessible from more
> programming environments, over U2? They offer the same schema flexibility
> and disk space benefits you cite with U2 and so much more.
>
> MongoDB, for instance, has built-in mechanisms for auto-sharding,
> replication, REST API, full-text index, and I can go on and on. And it's
> FREE! :-)
>
> I can't speak to performance, but I'd love to benchmark MongoDB versus U2.
> Maybe I will.
>
> I know I sound like a MongoDB fanboy, but I think it's a straight-up U2
> killer. I challenge anyone to find an area where U2 beats it.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jeff Schasny  wrote:
>
>> It scales well. I benchmarked 20K concurrent users for a wholesale
>> distribution application on a single (HP Superdome) server and that was
10
>> years ago.
>>
>> The database structure can be painlessly modified which makes it much
>> easier for new applications development. Need a new field, slap it on the
>> end of the table and go on with your day, try that with your favorite
>> relational environment.
>>
>> Not so important today as it once was when disk was more expensive,but it
>> uses significantly less disk space than a relational database storing the
>> equivalent data. This also contributes to needing significantly less
> overall
>> computing power to support X number of users for a given application due
> to
>> more efficient IO, i.e. less disk reads required.
>>
>> You can use SQL, but you don't have to. This, above all, is the MY most
>> significant reason to use U2.
>>
>> Holt, Jake wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure being cheaper than Oracle can really be touted as an
>>> advantage, there aren't many things out there that are more expensive
> than
>>> oracle =D. And all of those things you just mentioned are also true of
> many
>>> FREE databases, so again, why pick U2?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:
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> [mailto:
>>>
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>>> On Behalf Of Israel, John R.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:31 AM
>>> To: 'U2 Users List'
>>> Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting Article
>>>
>>> You may have answered your own question. Why do YOU like it?
>>>
>>> It is easy to develop, quick to code, fairly robust query language, and
a
>>> lot cheaper than the BIG databases (Oracle, DB2, etc).
>>>
>>>
>>> John Israel
>>> Senior Programmer/Analyst
>>> Dayton Superior Corporation
>>> 1125 Byers Road
>>> Miamisburg, OH 45342
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:26 AM
>>> To: U2 Users List
>>> Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting Article
>>>
>>> I have come to like U2 over the past few years but an honest question:
>>>
>>> Why would anyone ever pick U2 beyond familiarity and personal
preference?
>>> Can anyone think of any situation that another (and in a lot of cases a
>>> *far* cheaper) database isn't a better fit?
>>>
>>> Maybe if U2 had it's own niche like MySQL has with web hosting, there
>>> would be a market Rocket could focus on ?
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Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse

[Steve Romanow]

An interesting stat about openbravo is how many devs they have on staff.  I
looked at them a few years ago and it was huge.
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Re: [U2] Git and U2

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I use bitbucket for that.
 On Jun 30, 2011 9:48 AM, "Rob Sobers"  wrote:
> Same here. I do all my work on the command line, too. While Kiln has a
> nice web UI for browsing code, searching code, organizing repos, and
viewing
> diffs, you can simply use it as a secure cloud-based host for your code.
> Think Dropbox for your code.
>
> It's nice to be able to be on any remote server with internet access and
> Mercurial installed and "hg clone" my dotfiles or utiliity scripts from
> Kiln.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Thx. I usually just enjoy the command line interface hg. Not even that
>> comfortable in Tortoise. I do so much work on remote servers, I dont want
to
>> depend on a graphical tool.
>>
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Re: [U2] Enterprise Scheduling solution

[Steve Romanow]

I have not used it, but wish I had time to tinker with it.  Task
Forest looks interesting.

http://www.taskforest.com/

It is open src, but commercial support is available.
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Re: [U2] [UV] Obtaining a file creation date and time without locking it

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Sammartino, Richard
 wrote:
> Someone posted a program to do this a couple of years ago.  I can post my 
> version if needed.
>
> Rich
>
> Richard Sammartino
> Systems Analyst
> School District of Philadelphia
> 440 N Broad Street
> Philadelphia, PA  19130
> Phone (215) 400-5086
> Fax (215) 400-4411
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jacques G." 
> To: "U2 Users List" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2011 1:50:03 PM
> Subject: [U2] [UV] Obtaining a file creation date and time without locking it
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Currently I have code that does something like this:
>
> EQU TM.LIMIT TO 3 ;* File useable if created less than TM.LIMIT seconds ago.
>
>
> OPENSEQ PATH.HOUSE:"ipcs.txt" TO F.IPCS ELSE RETURN
> STATUS STAT FROM F.IPCS THEN
>   CLOSESEQ F.IPCS
>   IPCS.TM = STAT<15>
>   IPCS.DT = STAT<16>
>   SEC.PASSED = (DATE() - IPCS.DT) * 86400
>   SEC.PASSED += (TIME() - IPCS.TM)
>   IF SEC.PASSED > TM.LIMIT THEN RETURN ;* Too old can't use it
> END
>
> The problem with this approach, is that in order to query the file's internal
> date and time, I have to do an OPENSEQ which locks the file.   This means that
> another process that may need to perform the same check has to wait for the 
> lock
> to be released.
>
> Any way to open the file in a ReadOnly mode in UV so that It won't get locked 
> ?
>
> Jacques
>
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I would just do an EXECUTE to a scripting language and parse the results.

An ls -l with some awk will make quick work of it.

Here is a thread that describes ways to do it in python.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/237079/how-to-get-file-creation-modification-date-times-in-python

PCPERFORM \python -c "import os; print os.stat('test.xml').st_mtime"\
CAPTURING OUTPUT will come back with the modification time in epoch
time.
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Re: [U2] ED Manuals

[Steve Romanow]

I think the manual set from Rocket is freely available.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Ron Hutchings
 wrote:
>
> Are there versions of the manuals in the U2 archives?  I thought I had the 
> archives bookmarked but I can't find them.
>
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Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item

[Steve Romanow]

Nice!

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Bob Woodward  wrote:
> WINNER  We can even remove the fourth statement since the third
> statement puts the first quoted value at the front of @3 so...
>
> F1 ; INDEX(F1,"PRN=",1) ; @1[@2,LEN(@1)] ; FIELD(@3,'"',2)
>
> Will work perfectly!
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item
>
> what about
>
> F1 ; INDEX(F1,"PRN=",1) ; @1[@2,LEN(@1)] ; FIELD(@3,"=",2) ;
> FIELD(@4,'"',2)
>
> George
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
>> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:59 PM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item
>>
>> That won't get me any closer.  Reason is that we have differing
> numbers
>> of options possible.  I really need to somehow identify where "PRN"
> (or
>> /PRN or PRN= or ...) is.  Once I have that, I can use FIELD on the
>> double quotes to get what I want.
>>
>> Double slashes won't work, either, as FIELD still just takes the first
>> slash character and uses it.
>>
>> Here's a sample of the data line I'm working with but, again, the
>> number
>> of options and option commands can change.  Only "/PRN=" is going to
> be
>> guaranteed to be unique to that data position. (The sample may wrap
> but
>> it's a single line.)
>>
>> 001: %BTW% /RUN   /f="C:\BarTender\Template\Comply-FTL.btw"
>> /d="\\ganymede\DCDOWN\5214411.dat" /p /PRN="BoxLabel3" /x
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> BobW
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George
>> Gallen
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:46 AM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item
>>
>> hmmm. looks like I need glasses...didn't see you already answered it.
>>
>> Is there an = sign in any of the label data?
>>
>> FIELD(@1,"=",2) ; FIELD(@2,'"'2)
>>
>> Don't look for PRN= , just =
>>
>> George
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
>> > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:30 PM
>> > To: U2 Users List
>> > Subject: Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item
>> >
>> > Does CHANGE work with Unidata?
>> >
>> > CHANGE(F1,"PRN",CHAR(251)) ; FIELD(@1,CHAR(251),2) ; FIELD(@2,'"',2)
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
>> > > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:11 PM
>> > > To: U2 Users List
>> > > Subject: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item
>> > >
>> > > Hi folks,
>> > >
>> > > I'm in Unidata 6.1 and I'm trying to find a way to use a multi
>> > > character
>> > > value as a delimiter for a parsing function in an I-desc dict
> item.
>> > > I'm
>> > > working with Bartender label data records and I'm trying to parse
>> the
>> > > first line on the "/PRN=" value, without the quote marks.  FIELD
>> only
>> > > lets me use a single character.
>> > >
>> > > What I have so far in the DICT item is:
>> > > 001: I
>> > > 002: F1;FIELD(@1,'PRN=',2);FIELD(@2,'"',2)
>> > > 003:
>> > > 004: PRN
>> > > 005: 15L
>> > > 006: S
>> > >
>> > > This works great until a capital P is in the label name before the
>> > PRN.
>> > > Field is taking the first character and ignoring the RN=.  I do
> NOT
>> > > want
>> > > to make a subroutine if I can avoid it.  I've tried using CHANGE
> to
>> > > swap
>> > > out PRN= with a single character but apparently that's not an
>> allowed
>> > > command in the DICT items.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for any help you can offer.
>> > >
>> > > BobW
>> > >
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Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item

[Steve Romanow]

Maybe swap / for @am and you have tokenized your input.
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Re: [U2] Multi char delimiter in DICT item

[Steve Romanow]

Does doubling the slash help?  "//PRD"

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Bob Woodward  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm in Unidata 6.1 and I'm trying to find a way to use a multi character
> value as a delimiter for a parsing function in an I-desc dict item.  I'm
> working with Bartender label data records and I'm trying to parse the
> first line on the "/PRN=" value, without the quote marks.  FIELD only
> lets me use a single character.
>
> What I have so far in the DICT item is:
> 001: I
> 002: F1;FIELD(@1,'PRN=',2);FIELD(@2,'"',2)
> 003:
> 004: PRN
> 005: 15L
> 006: S
>
> This works great until a capital P is in the label name before the PRN.
> Field is taking the first character and ignoring the RN=.  I do NOT want
> to make a subroutine if I can avoid it.  I've tried using CHANGE to swap
> out PRN= with a single character but apparently that's not an allowed
> command in the DICT items.
>
> Thanks for any help you can offer.
>
> BobW
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Re: [U2] Simple UniQuery Question

[Steve Romanow]

is it BY-EXP that does that?  I think.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Doug Farmer  wrote:
> For some reason, in all the years I have been doing this, I don't ever
> remember being asked this.
>
> A user asked me, if I have a UniQuery report listing a single value and
> a multi value, how can I repeat the single value for every multi value.
>
> For example
>
> Customer        Invoice
> 1000            12345
>                12389
>                13101
> 2000            14000
>                14001
>
> Would become
>
> Customer        Invoice
> 1000            12345
> 1000            12389
> 1000            13101
> 2000            14000
> 2000            14001
>
> I can probably do it with a I Desc subroutine, but is there any UniQuery
> command to do the same thing without having to create many more
> dictionary items?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Doug
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Re: [U2] Uniobjects - What Is It?

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On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, John Thompson  wrote:
> Yes thank you Steve for correcting that.  Jeff had corrected that earlier.
>  Being new to some of this, I should have probably just kept my mouth shut
> so I didn't give bad information :)
>

No please contribute.  I was just chiming in.  :)  Dont be afraid to post.
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Re: [U2] Uniobjects - What Is It?

[Steve Romanow]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:26 AM, John Thompson  wrote:


> You have to have a windows machine as the go between.

Not completely true.  I have used UOJ with jython on linux to talk to U2 on AIX.
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Re: [U2] Uniobjects - What Is It?

[Steve Romanow]

Uniobjects is a C module that has been wrapped and packaged for java,
vb, and .NET.

PickWiki has several examples, as well as the rocket software docs.

If you upgrade  to the new WebDE you will be using uniobjects for
communication (really deep down.)

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Israel, John R.
 wrote:
> I have been in the PICK world for decades and have worked with several 
> interfaces.  Green screen, SB, BlackSmith and Redback/web are my biggest 
> areas of expertise.  I have simply never worked with anything else because 
> these are the tools at the places I have worked.
>
> I am embarrassed to ask, but need to do so.  What are UniObjects?  Other than 
> what I mentioned above, what other technologies are out there are rock solid? 
>  Where can I go to get an "get your feet wet" intro?  If our business is 
> doing fine without them, why would I want to use them?  What can I do with 
> them?
>
> We are a SB Redback/web shop.  What benefit would there be to my company to 
> have me learn these other technologies?  I am not saying that we don't want 
> any of these technologies, but if we don't even know what it is or are aware 
> of what it can do, we will never look to it for a solution.
>
> I understand that this is a VERY broad question, but if I don't start asking, 
> I will never learn.
>
>
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> Senior Programmer/Analyst
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Re: [U2] Uniobjects on Linux

[Steve Romanow]

You set IsUnidata to True, was that intentional?

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Jonathan Leckie
 wrote:
> Any thoughts as to what to check to fix this, I  used to be able to connect 
> from the P.C. but not now, I can connect  using  UniAdmin but not other 
> programmes, the  following vbs code gives error 39207 when trying to connect :
> Dim UV If DoConnection() = False Then
>   Msgbox "Could not  connect"
> Else
>   Msgbox "Connected to server"
>    ReadFromVOC
>   ShowTTY
>   DoSelect
> End If   Function DoConnection()
>   Dim HostName
>   Dim  UserName
>   Dim AccountPath
>   Dim Password    '=
> ' Set the host name, user name and  account path to your system
> ' Set IsUniData to True or False
> ' NOTE That  the password is echoed back as plain  text.
> '=
>   HostName =  ""
>   UserName = ""
>   AccountPath =  ""
>   Password = InputBox("Password for " & UserName & " on  " & HostName)
>   IsUniData = True
>   If CreateSession() = False  Then
>      Msgbox "Could not create  session"
>      DoConnection =  False
>      Exit Function
>   End  If    UV.HostName = HostName
>   UV.UserName =  UserName
>   UV.AccountPath = AccountPath
>    UV.Password = Password
>   If IsUniData  Then
>      UV.DatabaseType = 2
>    'Else
>    'UV.DatabaseType = 1
>   End If    UV.Connect
>   If UV.Error <> False  Then
>      Msgbox "Error returned from connect = "  & UV.Error
>      DoConnection =  False
>      Exit Function
>    Else
>      DoConnection = True
>   End  If End Function Function CreateSession()
>   On Error Resume  Next
>   Err = False
>
>   CreateSession =  True
>   '   Msgbox "Trying UniObjects Unioaif name"
>   Set  UV = CreateObject("UniObjects.UnioaifCtrl.1")
>
>   If (Err  <> False) Or (UV Is Nothing) Then
> '    Msgbox "Trying  UniObjects name"     Err = False
>     Set UV =  CreateObjects("uniobjects.session.1")
>         If (Err <> False) Or (UV Is Nothing)  Then
> '          Msgbox "Trying  uv Objects name"            Err = False
>       Set UV =  CreateObject("universe.session.1")
>       If  (Err <> False) Or (UV Is Nothing)  Then
>        CreateSession =  False
>       End If
>    End  If
>   End If
> End Function Sub DoSelect
>  uv.Command.Text = "SELECT VOC"
>   uv.Command.Exec
>  Msgbox uv.GetAtVariable(8)
> End Sub Sub ReadFromVOC
>   Dim VOC    Set VOC = uv.OpenFile("VOC")
>   VOC.RecordId =  "LIST"
>   VOC.Read
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Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework

[Steve Romanow]

An Order Log Inquiry would be neat as well.

None of these 2 ideas require specific u2 bindings.  Just need an rpc
service to return json.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> I would love to have a correct and quick inventory inquiry for mobile
> targets.  Maybe even integrated with the zebra crossing barcoding libs
> on droid.
>
> Droid is relatively open compared to the other handsets and os's.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Dan McGrath  wrote:
>> Sorry, that should have been "I'm sure a lot of people" as opposed to
>> "I'm a lot of people"
>>
>> I can assure everyone, I am just a single person.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 2:36 PM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework
>>
>> Good points there David, which I notice a lot of people don't consider
>> when dismissing the benefits of an app vs web.
>>
>> Another point is the better offline capabilities of a native app. I'm a
>> lot of people on Vodafone over here in Australia (myself include) can
>> understand the importance of this.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 2:11 PM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework
>>
>> Hi George
>>
>> I use a Windows phone 7.  With a web page there is a cost of time for
>> downloading a web page and a performance issue with screen loading.
>> With an app, I conform to the user interface of the phone which are more
>> intuitive to a phone user.  The app loads quicker and runs quicker.
>> However if you have users using android, blackberry, iphone, etc then
>> you need to create a separate app for each phone.   With the new phones
>> you need to load the app from the marketplace which is difficult for an
>> enterprise application.   Hence the decision to use an app vs web is
>> related to performance and intuitive interface vs portable and easier to
>> load.
>>
>> Remember also that most phones have no virus protection and are a
>> potential risk area for Trojans and viruses for web interfaces.  An app
>> is a bit more secure.
>>
>> Again there are other features I can use on the phone such as sending a
>> spreadsheet of KPIs to the phone rather than having an application to
>> access KPIs.  There are just too many ways to skin a cat.
>>
>> David Jordan
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Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework

[Steve Romanow]

I would love to have a correct and quick inventory inquiry for mobile
targets.  Maybe even integrated with the zebra crossing barcoding libs
on droid.

Droid is relatively open compared to the other handsets and os's.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Dan McGrath  wrote:
> Sorry, that should have been "I'm sure a lot of people" as opposed to
> "I'm a lot of people"
>
> I can assure everyone, I am just a single person.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 2:36 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework
>
> Good points there David, which I notice a lot of people don't consider
> when dismissing the benefits of an app vs web.
>
> Another point is the better offline capabilities of a native app. I'm a
> lot of people on Vodafone over here in Australia (myself include) can
> understand the importance of this.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 2:11 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Pondering recent thread on compact framework
>
> Hi George
>
> I use a Windows phone 7.  With a web page there is a cost of time for
> downloading a web page and a performance issue with screen loading.
> With an app, I conform to the user interface of the phone which are more
> intuitive to a phone user.  The app loads quicker and runs quicker.
> However if you have users using android, blackberry, iphone, etc then
> you need to create a separate app for each phone.   With the new phones
> you need to load the app from the marketplace which is difficult for an
> enterprise application.   Hence the decision to use an app vs web is
> related to performance and intuitive interface vs portable and easier to
> load.
>
> Remember also that most phones have no virus protection and are a
> potential risk area for Trojans and viruses for web interfaces.  An app
> is a bit more secure.
>
> Again there are other features I can use on the phone such as sending a
> spreadsheet of KPIs to the phone rather than having an application to
> access KPIs.  There are just too many ways to skin a cat.
>
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Re: [U2] LED editor for Universe

[Steve Romanow]

Some ppl just do not like eclipse in any shape or form.

On 5/6/11, fft2...@aol.com  wrote:
> If they don't consume a seat, doesn't that also mean that they don't lock
> the program while editing it?
> If so, how do they work well in a multi-programmer environment?
>
>
>
>
>
> Again, at least these editors mentioned before don't require a telnet
> session, use UniObjects to access data from U2, and they don't look like
> they were developed in the 80's. Oh by the way, they all do colors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Averch 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 12:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] LED editor for Universe
>
>
> Hi Keith:
>
> When I read your notes about another editor that is about 6,000 Basic lines
> long, I'm wonder if some us U2 programmers are Luddite's. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite for more information.
>
> Really, do we want to marginalize our talents by showing we can use a Basic
> editor that can do colors?  I wrote one of these editors for Prime
> Information in 1980's based on what I saw using Revelation "G".  The source
> code for that editor is long since dead, thank goodness.
>
> My suggestion would be use BDT from Rocket Software, or mvDeveloper from
> Brian Leach Consulting, or XLr8Editor from U2Logic.   The first two are FREE
> and the second one is $49.00 per year.
>
> Again, at least these editors mentioned before don't require a telnet
> session, use UniObjects to access data from U2, and they don't look like
> they were developed in the 80's. Oh by the way, they all do colors.
>
>
> Regards,
> Doug
> www.u2logic.com/tools.html
> "Birthplace for Eclipse based tools for U2"
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Re: [U2] uv v ud

[Steve Romanow]

I was just pondering that problem as you wrote that Bill.  :0)

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Bill Haskett  wrote:
> Isn't that the truth.  An interesting side note is debugging.  When
> technologists suggest we use a "black-box" technology approach, all this
> does is create massive investigation problems in a "layered" environment;
> which most are today.  For not-easily-reproducible problems, logging
> exacerbates the problem because now where we're looking for a needle problem
> located somewhere in these large haystack logs.  :-)
>
> Bill
>
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* cwn...@comcast.net
> *To:* U2 Users List 
> *Date:* 5/4/2011 8:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] uv v ud
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> A little off-topic, but it seems that whenever you get 2 or more vendors
>> involved in anything, they automatically start blaming the other, and
>> nothing gets done.
>>
>> Charlie Noah
>> Charles W. Noah Associates
>> cwn...@comcast.net
>>
>> The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do
>> not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my
>> former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or
>> anyone else who might take exception to them.
>>
>>
>> On 05-04-2011 10:49 AM, Bill Haskett wrote:
>>>
>>> Symeon:
>>>
>>> We use mv.NET with "uodotnet" and have seen various Windows errors.  Tony
>>> G. indicated that mv.NET is just a wrapper for UO.NET, at this level, and
>>> the problem is with "uodotnet".  We're running UD V7.1.9 in our production
>>> environment and "uodotnet.dll" v2.1.1.7211.
>>>
>>> I'm not a rocket scientist,  :-) ,  but I tend to think Tony is correct.
>>>  I have no idea how to correct this and neither does Tony.  It seems to be a
>>> classic case of layering technology and the fingers start pointing in
>>> opposite directions!  :-)
>>>
>>> Let me know if the U2 guys find out anything.  Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* syme...@gmail.com
>>> *To:* 'U2 Users List' 
>>> *Date:* 5/4/2011 2:16 AM
>>> *Subject:* [U2] uv v ud

 Hi

 I seem to recall someone stating recently that uniobjects works much
 better
 with uv rather than ud, something to do with connection times etc.

 We are on ud71 on redhat ES 4 and do have problems with uniobjects.net
 with
 regard speed and stability.

 Does anyone have any experience / confirmation on this at all ??

 Thanks

 Symeon.
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Re: [U2] [UD] How to get output-converted results from EXECUTESQL and READNEXTTUPLE?

[Steve Romanow]

Mecki,  I think he is saying the query is coming from a non u2 system.

Changing to TCL syntax just avoids the question.
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Re: [U2] Reconnect to headless udt session

[Steve Romanow]

GNU Screen is a little terse.  Very old program.  If you do not know
you need it, i would not use it first.

Assuming you are using unix, tandem must be run as root, and you just
do tandem portno.

I am sure it is in the manual.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Barak Griffis
 wrote:
> Great question;)
> Perhaps tandem is what I am looking for then.  Do you have a quick example to 
> show how it works?
>
> I have not used gnu screen, but it wouldn't be necessary for this, would it?
>
> Barak Griffis
> Assistant Systems Administrator
> Affinity Plus Federal Credit Union
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:35 AM, "Steve Romanow"  wrote:
>
>> Can you tandem to it?  I have tandemed to rpc sessions for debugging 
>> purposes.
>>
>> I use gnu screen to detach and reattach to u2 session all the time.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Barak Griffis
>>  wrote:
>>> I have heard that it is possible to reconnect to a headless udt session.  
>>> For example, a udt session being run by /usr/bin/expect and cron.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard of that or know how it is done?
>>>
>>> Barak Griffis
>>> Assistant Systems Administrator
>>> Affinity Plus Federal Credit Union
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Re: [U2] Reconnect to headless udt session

[Steve Romanow]

Can you tandem to it?  I have tandemed to rpc sessions for debugging purposes.

I use gnu screen to detach and reattach to u2 session all the time.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Barak Griffis
 wrote:
> I have heard that it is possible to reconnect to a headless udt session.  For 
> example, a udt session being run by /usr/bin/expect and cron.
>
> Has anyone here heard of that or know how it is done?
>
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Re: [U2] UniData Upgrade

[Steve Romanow]

We updated to 7.2.6 maybe 2 months ago and have not seen the issue you
just described.
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Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

[Steve Romanow]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jeffrey Butera  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwood
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no
>>> other software* serving up secured web pages.  To have the entire www
>>> available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists.
>>>
>> Other db's do not do this.  mysql, db2, mssql, etc all have another
>> product involved to serve their data to the web.
>
> Many older db's do not.  However, some newer ones (Cache') have figured out
> that what Allen is asking for is expected in this day of web 2.0 - so why
> not build this functionality in?
>

For the same reason I do not buy AllInOne pc's or DVD-TV combos.  I
prefer a modular approach where you have some choices in the
technology being used.

If Rocket came back and said, "The new interface is only in Erlang"
how many would cheer?  Not many.

Granted Erlang is good, and rock solid, and powers some very good
software applications.  DB vendors have very little reason to be in
web2.0.
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Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

[Steve Romanow]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwood  wrote:
> I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no
> other software* serving up secured web pages.  To have the entire www
> available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists.
>
Other db's do not do this.  mysql, db2, mssql, etc all have another
product involved to serve their data to the web.

> And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with
> only one installed o/s?
>
I don't understand this.  How many os's do you have installed?
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Re: [U2] html 2 xls

[Steve Romanow]

I use xlwt for this kind of work.  Its not perfect, but does what I need.

Will need a developer to setup your html -> xls transform.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM,   wrote:
> Anyone know of a conversion tool that will take html and produce xls
> (Excel spreadsheet) formatted files?
> We are running UniData on HPUX but could probably use a utility on a
> windows server if necessary.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [U2] PDF Files directly from UniData or UniVerse

[Steve Romanow]

We use a script called txt2pdf (maybe text2pdf, iirc) and it is
integrated into our SB+ spool functionality.

It is just another output like CSV or TXT.

If you are on aix, you can setup a virtual queue that runs a script on
anything printed through it.  That may work as well.  That is how our
Optio printing is integrated.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Marc Harbeson  wrote:
> I think Doug means actually on the U2 server sans client pc.
>
> Doug: is spooling the job as PCL and calling ghostscript out of bounds?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] PDF Files directly from UniData or UniVerse
>
> I haven't tried it, but it could probably be done with the BASIC aux-on,
> aux-off commands if the pc's default printer was set to "print2pdf" or a
> similar product.
> -Dianne
>
> On 4/12/2011 9:39 AM, Doug Farmer wrote:
>> Here is a question for this group.
>>
>> Has anyone been able to generate PDF files directly from UniData and/or
> UniVerse without having a manual step involved?  In other words, just
> running a program using the standard PRINTER ON and PRINTER OFF commands,
> and having the output be a PDF file?
>>
>> Any pointers would be very welcome.
>>
>> Doug
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Re: [U2] Game changer for U2 editors ([AD] added for Doug)

[Steve Romanow]

Or bitbucket.  He said 19k lines of code.  that would be painful on pickwiki

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Bill Haskett  wrote:
> Charlie:
>
> Why not try "PickWiki"?
>
> Bill
>
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* cwn...@comcast.net
> *To:* U2 Users List 
> *Date:* 4/6/2011 7:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] Game changer for U2 editors ([AD] added for Doug)
>>
>> Hey Dubya (lol),
>>
>> I don't think you want me to put this baby on the group - it's almost
>> 19,000 lines of code and 700KB. There are several support files as well.If
>> you can come up with a place where it will be easy to put it, I'd be glad
>> to. I've always shared my stuff, always will. I won't get rich, but that's
>> OK. Are you volunteering to put it all together where everyone can get to
>> it? I can try to get it all together, but happily, I've been pretty busy
>> lately, so I'm not sure when. I won't be able to provide support as such,
>> but I'd be happy to try to help anyone who wants to use it. Heck, knowing
>> people are using my programs is almost better than money, anyway.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On 04-05-2011 12:40 PM, fft2...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 4/5/2011 9:26:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> cwn...@comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>>
 The main reason I won't change is because I
 use my own editor which started life 27 years ago. It does everything I
 want it to, and if I need something new, I just add it. Heck, it can
 even make coffee!


>>> Publish.
>>> We all want to see your ugly baby, so publish the code.
>>>
>>> Dubya
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Re: [U2] Databasic conversion

[Steve Romanow]

Well, from D3 that would make sense.  Sry.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Steve Romanow  wrote:
> There is no SB involved correct?
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Symeon Breen  wrote:
>> Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written
>> in databasic on D3 to run on unidata.
>>
>>
>>
>> The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure
>> myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Symeon.
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Re: [U2] Databasic conversion

[Steve Romanow]

There is no SB involved correct?

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Symeon Breen  wrote:
> Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written
> in databasic on D3 to run on unidata.
>
>
>
> The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure
> myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Symeon.
>
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