Re: [ubuntu-uk] acronyms?
Nik Butler wrote: is we check in with Melissa Drapper ( Ive sent her an email ) and a few Shame Nick Drake died, they'd have made a lovely couple... (why does the name Drapper-Drake seem so familiar to me ;-)) arrange some sort of Sponsored event for Friday 17th ( Children in need ) which can raise pennies for charity and keep our news cycle and motivation moving forwards. Our LUG meeting here in Somerset is on Tuesday 14th... after a change of management at Somerset County Council who were lending us their ICT Centre we're a bit homeless at the moment and meeting at a member's pottery premises. Does the job, but not sure we'll be able to do much this year. However, would be happy to learn from what others do and, perhaps, aim for something next year. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
On 04/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this, It shows, A little note about mailing list etiquette. We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software to a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in your email please. Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all. Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML. It also increases the file size of your email Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an entire previous message below the end of your message. quotes should normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant. Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no idea who, I am on a number of lists. May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to tell you how to turn off HTML, We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list. Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject when we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu way. - Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Andy wrote: On 04/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this, [netiquette stuff snipped] You could have phrased that a little nicer, please is a nice word. Immediately greeting new users in such a way is one of the reasons mailing lists are seen as off putting and elitist. It's not the Ubuntu way. We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list. I'm sure there's plenty of existing sites we can point to. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 11/4/06, Pete Ryland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be decided by a simple majority vote system. And can I suggest we use the poll system on Launchpad, so that we don't all get 100 or so aye/nay messages? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk/+polls -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Pete Ryland wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. Thanks, so can I count on your vote then grin However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. Viva la revolutution. Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. Seems fair In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be decided by a simple majority vote system. Ive put up a wiki page to track stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamLeader Term Limits wise I would suggest Yearly renewal of the position with the Vote during each Linux World Expo ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 13:57 +, Pete Ryland wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be decided by a simple majority vote system. Thank you, Pete Ryland [1] Nik Butler has already nominated himself, seconded by Alan Cocks. One day is completely inadequate for nominations - especially a weekend. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Nicholas Butler wrote: or we could use that grin um how do we use that ? Maybe only LP team admins can do that - Michael Wood (x3n) is listed as ours at the moment. We need a list of nominees first though. Actually it leads to the interesting question of how many members are on launchpad vs how many are in the Mail List ? I guess whoever admins the mailing list may be able to find that out - there's 105 people on LP. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Nicholas Butler wrote: Pete Ryland wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. Seems fair I'd guess some people may not read the list over the weekend - announcing a nomination period that only lasts 36 hours doesn't seem fair. It should be extended at least into midweek, ideally I think lasting a week. Term Limits wise I would suggest Yearly renewal of the position with the Vote during each Linux World Expo ? I'm not sure what you mean here - do you mean the voting should be done in person at LWE? If so not everyone can make it to Linux World Expo every year - it'd probably be helpful to make the poll online. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Pete Ryland wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be decided by a simple majority vote system. Thank you, Pete Ryland [1] Nik Butler has already nominated himself, seconded by Alan Cocks. I support the aims, although I think that the timescale is too brief for an elegant activity which should endure. I was not particularly aware that the *activity* to progress this was again happening just now. I take it that the initiating actions did not have a timescale stated (?) A list or forum timescale will need to be something like a week or more - people are away, etc etc (or much longer). I would generally suggest a month from a cold start, but this is not cold. The voting should happen here, surely, unless the whole activity takes place elsewhere? For example, I am set up to handle things - here, not anywhere else. Changes (for me) will take time, I do not have that just now. Let us keep it simple? -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Can I just point out that : Approval Application needs to take some level of precedence this wee, if not tommorow. Jono got up and showed a world Map of LocoTeams in who were Approved and who were awaiting approval. He stood in the Expo and told people that we would be getting approved very soon. So forgive me if I want to draw everyones attention to the link and ask people to consider how and why they contribute to the UKTeam application. Once you have done that then lets go back to looking at who gets to take the flak for the next 12 months. Please this is very important to Jono and to me and to a number of UK Ubuntu developers so can I ask we just agree to the following Lets look at the application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ApprovalApplication Then set next Saturday as the closing vote for UKTeam Leader Thanks for reading and thanks for helping. Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Alan Pope wrote: On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:56:21PM +, Tony Arnold wrote: Nik, Nicholas Butler wrote: My personal preferences are to use the Mailing list, however if a Forum exists I will make sure I drop in and keep an eye on it and let people know about the mailing list and the archvies and the thriving communication we have here as well as the IRC Channels. Can I assume this has been the consensus of the group ? Me preference is for the mailing list, but I support the creation of a forum too. If it can be integrated with the list, even better. Indeed. If there is no integration between forum and list then there *will* be fragmentation of the membership. There will be conversations that happen on the forums which people on the mailing list never see and vice versa. There will likely be dilution of conversations as people won't reply in one medium because they've seen similar replies on the other. This isn't just my opinion, this is what I've seen happen for many groups who have run a mailing list and forum side by side. Many people who are familiar with one method stick with it, rightly or wrongly. Those of us who are actually committed to doing good things for Ubuntu-UK will end up having to spend even more of our own time than we already do keeping up with threads in multiple locations. In my view this is sub-optimal. Another non-FLOSS community I am a member of recently switched from mailing list to forums and instantly I was unable to devote any time to the communication as a result. Whilst they did in fact go some way to integrate the forums with the mailing list there was a fundamental flaw. They had multiple forums. Each forum had to be separately subscribed to in order to receive the posts as emails. When a new forum was created the mailing list members had no idea and went on in complete ignorance of conversations happening in forums they weren't in. I think we could spend months discussing this, so I suggest we get on, create the forum and then review it in 6 months time and see how it's going. I can see that there is a large contingent on the web for whom mailing lists are somehow scary and intimidating. And for that reason I can totally understand why they want a forum. What irks me more than anything is the assertion that somehow forums are better than mailing lists for those of us that are actually pretty handy with ssh and an email client. I also fail to see what the remit of those forums would be. At the moment it seems to me that there is the assertion that a forum should be created because we can not because there is some burning need to do so. What will the new forums mandate be? The same as this mailing list or something different? Of course there's nothing I can say that can disuade anyone from creating these forums, I'm just voicing my concerns before the forums get established. Cheers, Al. I support much of what you say. I too would not use forums much, except that this present list is 'British Ubuntu Talk' it is not specific to the type of talk etc. We have and will have, specific projects in hand, people will be interested in some maybe not all of these. It is hard to keep track of what is being said in a project. There are currently 42 items in this particular thread. I hope a summary is made in a separate thread later on(!) This thread is a creative one and sometimes other topics arise and are also discussed. I can see a benefit in having a flexible facility to deliberately fragment in some way, simply to focus and condense some of what may need to go on. This might possibly be done by, say, having a convention of tight subject names - projects are handled by the formal subject title. I think I could manage that information ok. Alternatively, certain activities here could be done in detail in another place - a sub forum/list (?) A second level, also open membership, is useful for greater detail and more formal handling of projects. -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Nik Butler wrote: Pete Ryland wrote: On 03/11/06, Joseph Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also is there anyone who has assumed the lead of ubuntu-uk? Are you putting your hand up for the job? :-) Perhaps we should have a vote? There are probably a few people who would like this title. Pete I had kinda of assumed that I was taking on the role since Id asked at the start and was taking on the responsiblity of trying to get the UK Team Approved ? But hey if you want a vote Ive been seconded by AC . I suggest that you regard yourself as the acting Teamleader, and get on with it, as I believe you are! A nomination /voting procedure is a good idea. A procedure statement is going to take time, so are nominations and also a vote. No problems, but I like the idea of doing what we can right *now*, and also at the same time getting some procedures formulated - they can take quite a time. -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
I don't understand why we're doing all this again... Nick put himself forward many months ago and asked if anybody else was interested to which he got no responses... so surely the request for candidates to come forward has already been and gone and this is just wasting time going through it all again? Would it not be better to hold the first formalised election one year from Nick's original candidature and in the meantime let him get on with the job he appears to be doing well?? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Sean Miller wrote: I don't understand why we're doing all this again... Nick put himself forward many months ago and asked if anybody else was interested to which he got no responses... so surely the request for candidates to come forward has already been and gone and this is just wasting time going through it all again? t Thanks Sean. As I see it I'll take the lead since no one officially said anything and your correct to say things were put forward and not responded to. I really want to get the approval application filled in with as much evidence of experience and road map conversations as possible before the 12th November. In the meanwhile if the group now feels it wants to hold a election then lets get on with that. Meanwhile I really hope we can move forward on activites and JFDI rather than waiting to assemble some order. I feel we can be a team in the sense of Jumpers for Goal posts as much as we can be a team in the olympic sense. We just need to recognise that which we should all be achieving to make he UKTeam an Ubunutu force to be reckoned with and that which makes us stronger and more able to be involved in community . Would it not be better to hold the first formalised election one year from Nick's original candidature and in the meantime let him get on with the job he appears to be doing well?? To be honest I dont think its a problem to just set the target and leave it for a week as long as we focus on the Approval Application ( have I mentioned it before ? grin ) and getting traction on the roadmap and UKTeam activitites. But I take it I can count on your vote though ! Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 11/4/06, Nik Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I just point out that : Approval Application needs to take some level of precedence this wee, if not tommorow. Jono got up and showed a world Map of LocoTeams in who were Approved and who were awaiting approval. He stood in the Expo and told people that we would be getting approved very soon. So forgive me if I want to draw everyones attention to the link and ask people to consider how and why they contribute to the UKTeam application. Once you have done that then lets go back to looking at who gets to take the flak for the next 12 months. Please this is very important to Jono and to me and to a number of UK Ubuntu developers so can I ask we just agree to the following Lets look at the application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ApprovalApplication This looks like a great application to me. I like the Ubuntu Buddies and the Developer Mentoring, in particular. Forgive my ignorance about the process you're describing, but what do you mean by approve? Then set next Saturday as the closing vote for UKTeam Leader I think I agree with an earlier message in the thread. You're already the leader. Your first task is to set up a process for picking the next one, in a year. -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] UKteam who are the members.
I realise we have the wiki for the gallery, but shall we use the LaunchPad to register the members ? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk This not only lets us track members but see who has signed the Code of Conduct and what other teams people are members of. So if youve not signed up there can you make and effort and if you have questions then rop in here and I'll take note and add it to the wiki ? Also its a great way to see how much positive work Mr Pope has done for our team recently Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Then I am out of here, good bye! ---Original Message--- From: Andy Date: 04/11/2006 13:03:52 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Uk Loco team forums On 04/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this, It shows, A little note about mailing list etiquette. We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your Message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software To a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in Your email please. Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all. Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML. It also increases the file size of your email Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an Entire previous message below the end of your message. Quotes should Normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant. Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no Idea who, I am on a number of lists. May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to Tell you how to turn off HTML, We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list. Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who Wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject When we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may Be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We Wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu Way. - Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
I could not see where to unsub? ---Original Message--- From: Andy Date: 04/11/2006 13:03:52 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums On 04/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this, It shows, A little note about mailing list etiquette. We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software to a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in your email please. Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all. Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML. It also increases the file size of your email Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an entire previous message below the end of your message. quotes should normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant. Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no idea who, I am on a number of lists. May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to tell you how to turn off HTML, We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list. Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject when we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu way. - Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
END OF THREAD Guys Im drawing this whole sub-thread to a close . I would like not to have any responses to the above and I have emailed Ian with his answer. For the moment in as much as I can enforce the idea I suggest we will not be creating or using ubuntu forums for the Ubuntu-UK teams and that we can maintain the use of the WIKI and the Mailists and the IRC channels. Thanks guys. Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Just to Lighten the Tone.
So here I am preparing for the BCF worthing Sussex Lug Meeting and I am installing Kubuntu onto an Old Sony Viao. And all I can hear are the stern words of Mr Cocks. Click once to install, not double click .Double clicks cause it to crash. So thanks AC Im clicking once . just for you ! Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKteam who are the members.
On 04/11/06, Nik Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realise we have the wiki for the gallery, but shall we use the LaunchPad to register the members ? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk This not only lets us track members but see who has signed the Code of Conduct and what other teams people are members of. So if youve not signed up there can you make and effort and if you have questions then rop in here and I'll take note and add it to the wiki ? Also its a great way to see how much positive work Mr Pope has done for our team recently I would of thought this to be the most sensible idea. -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups Wiki page
Tony Arnold wrote: I've added a few notes to Alan's notes on this page, FYI. Alan, did you mean 'meatspace' or 'meetspace'? Regards, Tony. I get very lost with all of the pages and resources - :-( can you give a link please? -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
Ian wrote: I could not see where to unsub? I think it is: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk [...] wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu way. - Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups Wiki page
Alan, alan c wrote: I've added a few notes to Alan's notes on this page, FYI. Alan, did you mean 'meatspace' or 'meetspace'? Regards, Tony. I get very lost with all of the pages and resources - :-( can you give a link please? Yes, that would have been a good idea! It's here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups I naively assumed the title of the page in the subject line would be sufficient, but I didn't make that very clear! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:57:17PM +, Pete Ryland wrote: Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. By who? Where? Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on with more important things. Nope. I'll abstain if that's as haphazard as the voting gets. In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be decided by a simple majority vote system. You really need to explain that in more detail. What if there's two and they get the same number of votes? What if there's three and the first two get the same number of votes? Is there a second vote? How do the votes for the first round count? Having a vote proposed with little or no notice and no thought for procedure is as good as no vote at all. I do support Nik in his current role but do not feel that this is an adequate way to vote. I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job, and wait until after the approval procedure to determine:- a) The voting procuedure b) The nominees c) The result. Rather than the somewhat gung-ho way we seem to be going about things. JFDI or not. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups Wiki page
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 06:10:53PM +, Tony Arnold wrote: I've added a few notes to Alan's notes on this page, FYI. Alan, did you mean 'meatspace' or 'meetspace'? There's quite a few Alans on this list :) As I was the one who typed the main chunk of the rebuttals to the LUGs are dying statement, I'll assume you're talking to me :) I didn't use the term meatspace however I understand it to mean in the real world. i.e. meat == bodies == humans. Rather than in the virtual world or cyberspace it talks about LUGs being meatspace entities, that is opportunities for people to meat in meatspace or real life *shudder*. I completely agree with your contributions to that page. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. ---Original Message--- From: Alan c Date: 04/11/2006 20:54:57 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Uk Loco team forums Ian wrote: I could not see where to unsub? I think it is: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk [...] wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu way. - Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums
On 04/11/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Its was never my intention to offend anyone, I am really sorry that you feel you must leave an entire group because of me. I am unsure what you mean by 'bad taste'. sorry I have seen so much worse on the Ubuntu lists (things that don't even relate to the list). However that is no excuse for my bad behaviour. I never intended to speak for you Alan C, I was unaware I was doing so. Again I am truly sorry and will attempt to hold me tongue in future. Back to sleep for me then. As far as I can tell IncrediMail is a Windows only Adware email client. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups Wiki page
Alan, Alan Pope wrote: On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 06:10:53PM +, Tony Arnold wrote: I've added a few notes to Alan's notes on this page, FYI. Alan, did you mean 'meatspace' or 'meetspace'? There's quite a few Alans on this list :) As I was the one who typed the main chunk of the rebuttals to the LUGs are dying statement, I'll assume you're talking to me :) Yes. There's me making assumptions again! I didn't use the term meatspace however I understand it to mean in the real world. i.e. meat == bodies == humans. Rather than in the virtual world or cyberspace it talks about LUGs being meatspace entities, that is opportunities for people to meat in meatspace or real life *shudder*. OK, that makes sense, but what an awful word! I completely agree with your contributions to that page. Thanks. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Sonic Stage alternative
Hi, just wondering if someone can help! I have a Sony NWHD3 and to put music on there i have power up windows for it! So i thought maybe theres a way around this! so i sat there and thinking and thinkingand eventually came up with this idea. The player shows up as a removable drive. could i put a linux app like Juk on there...and save my music on there..mp3's, ogg files etc. ? There is a similiar program for windows called mp3filemanagerwhere this program is installed on the player and then files just dragged and dropped into it.! So any ideas people? help cheers ears!!! javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sonic Stage alternative
On Saturday 04 November 2006 23:59, STONE COLD wrote: The player shows up as a removable drive. could i put a linux app like Juk on there...and save my music on there..mp3's, ogg files etc. ? There is a similiar program for windows called mp3filemanagerwhere this program is installed on the player and then files just dragged and dropped into it.! If it shows up as a removable USB drive, then you should just be able to open it in Nautilus (or Konqueror, Thunar etc.) and click-and-drag MP3 files onto it, like any normal MP3 player. Robert -- rkd on irc.freenode.net https://launchpad.net/people/rkd (also the source for my public key) pgpQOiSkQZ2p5.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sonic Stage alternative
that is true...but it doesnt support a drag and drop system..all music must be put on the player via sonicstage...any music put on the player via drag and drop just wont show up on the player itself! From: Robert K. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sonic Stage alternative Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:07:25 + On Saturday 04 November 2006 23:59, STONE COLD wrote: The player shows up as a removable drive. could i put a linux app like Juk on there...and save my music on there..mp3's, ogg files etc. ? There is a similiar program for windows called mp3filemanagerwhere this program is installed on the player and then files just dragged and dropped into it.! If it shows up as a removable USB drive, then you should just be able to open it in Nautilus (or Konqueror, Thunar etc.) and click-and-drag MP3 files onto it, like any normal MP3 player. Robert -- rkd on irc.freenode.net https://launchpad.net/people/rkd (also the source for my public key) attach4 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Pope wrote: Having a vote proposed with little or no notice and no thought for procedure is as good as no vote at all. I do support Nik in his current role but do not feel that this is an adequate way to vote. I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job, and wait until after the approval procedure to determine:- a) The voting procuedure b) The nominees c) The result. +1 from me. It's clear Nik has emerged as the acting leader at this point and I thank him for all he's done. It wouldn't be right if he (or anyone else) was formally elected in such a flawed manner. Dean -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFTTY3eedO8dcp9nYRAsGFAJ95J42GIU+MPqbVsh8NqWQ8SWsTIQCfXQdg GccU+jGsiSrPewbHWj+p1Ik= =rcpH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
Ian wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we can end up with situations like this where one person feels victimised or the like... Imagine yourself as a Digest subscriber to the list. You will get one e-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a conversation thus... Mike: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. Bob: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob: Midday? Mike: Great! Seeya there Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's the digest going to look like? 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great, Seeya there! Bob wrote: Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it. ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical discussion. Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this list. I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. ---Original Message--- From: Sean Miller Date: 05/11/2006 05:10:03 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) Ian wrote: You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at Times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we Can end up with situations like this where one person feels victimised Or the like... Imagine yourself as a Digest subscriber to the list. You will get one E-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big Issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a Conversation thus... Mike: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. Bob: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob: Midday? Mike: Great! Seeya there Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's The digest going to look like? 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great, Seeya there! Bob wrote: Midday? Mike wrote: Oh, definitely. What time? Bob wrote: Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? Mike wrote: Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical Discussion. Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this List. I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it Easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few Seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those Reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sonic Stage alternative
Have you told Stone Cold off yet??? ---Original Message--- From: STONE COLD Date: 05/11/2006 00:50:43 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Sonic Stage alternative That is true...but it doesn't support a drag and drop system..all music must Be put on the player via sonicstage...any music put on the player via drag And drop just wont show up on the player itself! From: Robert K. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] Sonic Stage alternative Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:07:25 + On Saturday 04 November 2006 23:59, STONE COLD wrote: The player shows up as a removable drive. Could I put a linux app like Juk on there...and save my music on there..mp3's, ogg files etc. ? There is a similar program for windows called mp3filemanagerwhere this program is installed on the player and then files just dragged and dropped into it.! If it shows up as a removable USB drive, then you should just be able to open it in Nautilus (or Konqueror, Thunar etc.) and click-and-drag MP3 files onto it, like any normal MP3 player. Robert -- rkd on irc.freenode.net https://launchpad.net/people/rkd (also the source for my public key) attach4 -- gt;ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-UK https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
