Re: [WISPA] TDWR Interference screenshot

[Philip Dorr]

Here is a copy of the radar image from an email in case you haven't found
it yet.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, ralph  wrote:

> Back a few years ago the Las Vegas TDWR was affected by what turned out to
> be a video link or something about 40 miles away. WISPA helped locate the
> interference and for a good while images of the RADAR screen showing the
> interference were floating around.
>
>
>
> I used to Google for it all the time when I needed an example. I can no
> longer locate it.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of that image they could send me?
>
>
>
> Thanks
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> Ralph
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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Philip Dorr]

Wouldn't setting RP filter to strict fix the spoofing issue?  If not, why
not?

/ip settings set rp-filter=strict

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> Sorry, src-address-list, not dst-address-list.
>
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> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
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> *Sent: *Friday, October 21, 2016 12:17:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick
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>
> /ip firewall address-list
> add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs"
> add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream
> customer X IPs"
>
> /ip firewall filter
> add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no
> out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs"
>
> That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone,
> so it may not be completely accurate.
>
>
> You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to
> come in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per
> interface setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said
> customer facing interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose.
> They accepted the feature request, just haven't implemented it yet.
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> *Sent: *Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick
>
> There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can
> be used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks:
>
> https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/
>
> Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring:
>
> https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/
> https://radar.qrator.net/
>
>
> Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming
> and shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is
> serious, people. Take it seriously.
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Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL

[Philip Dorr]

Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill
the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire.
On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, "Paul Hendry" 
wrote:

>  Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet?
>
> On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines...  somewhere near New
> Jersey. It's been a while.
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> afraid of asking too much of the little charger.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

Sorry if it sounded like I was saying that he IS causing problems, he is
not not causing any issues that I know of.

Though Timewarner/Comcast ARE causing problems ALL over the KC metro area
on both 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz.  On just one AP I can see 50+ cable APs, amd my
phone (dual band) is able to see about the same number on the ground.  Even
worse is in some of the caves that have offices, the office APs are hard to
use because of the cable provider interference.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

>  I am a little confused...
>
> How is he asking for help to add interference to existing Wisps?
>
> Unfortunately with Part 15 it is what it is.
>
>  And not helping or supporting his efforts also goes against what WISPA is
> all about.  "Wireless Internet Service Providers Association"  He is
> providing wireless Internet service.  Just because he is doing it for free
> does not mean he does not have a valid project.
>
> Just saying..
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/2014 9:35 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>
> No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
> WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
> WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
> residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
>>  LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
>> Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
>> sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
>> same terms.”
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting
>>
>> "The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
>> exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
>> Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”
>>
>> Summer is coming..  :-)
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
>>
>>   http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/
>>
>> A bit more insight.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, timothy steele 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
>> noobs waiting to happen..
>>
>>
>>
>> I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website
>>
>> —
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

> LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?
>
>
>
>
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement
>
>
>
>
>
> “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
> Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
> sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
> same terms.”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?
>
>
>
> Interesting
>
> "The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
> exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
> Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”
>
> Summer is coming..  :-)
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
>
> http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/
>
> A bit more insight.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, timothy steele 
> wrote:
>
> I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
> noobs waiting to happen..
>
>
>
> I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Dynamic Spectrum Brokarage?

[Philip Dorr]

"Rivada Networks, a U.S. communications technology company, announced on
Thursday it had obtained a patent for its bandwidth trading platform."

I don't think they know the difference between the USPTO and the FCC.



On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Interesting concept:
>
>
>
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/101362152?
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Re: [WISPA] Something to do on a Sunday

[Philip Dorr]

The press conference just started
On Oct 14, 2012 1:27 PM, "Zach Mann"  wrote:

> I think I was more nervous than he was !Stud.
> On Oct 14, 2012 1:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
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>> I got home about 10 seconds before he set off.  Got to see everything
>> start to finish.  Absolutely amazing.
>>
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>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Victoria Proffer <
>> victo...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Victoria Proffer
>>>
>>> President/CEO 
>>>
>>> 314-974-5600
>>>
>>> St. Louis Broadband, LLC
>>>
>>> www. StLouisBroadband.com 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Something to do on a Sunday
>>>
>>> ** **
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>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ&feature=share  Live
>>> Red Bull Stratos FreeFall.  Around 70,000 feet at the moment.
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Re: [WISPA] anybody else seen this?

[Philip Dorr]

Mess with your DNS servers and turn off any file/video hosting sites?

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/111543-google-amazon-facebook-and-twitter-considering-nuclear-option-to-protest-sopa
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Termination Kit

[Philip Dorr]

We currently use AMP Lightcrimp Plus, but are looking at using Belden
FiberExpress Brilliance in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQtiUTY-6zs
http://www.graybar.com/documents/belden-fiberexpress-installation-guide.pdf

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Matt  wrote:
> We are looking to trench some fiber to a new tower a few hundred foot
> away.  Was wandering how cost effective to cut and terminate our own
> fiber for this would be?  Its close enough for cat-6 to reach but was
> thinking just dropping fiber instead to avoid needing arrestors.  What
> fiber does everyone recommend and what connector kit?  If its to
> expensive may just get some premade fiber runs or go cat-5/6.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber termination

[Philip Dorr]

We use an Amp Lightcrimp Plus kit. It can also do LC, SC, and ST.

It cost ~400 used, it is simple, and quick (if done correctly).

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> Cheap, simple, does good job = pick 2
>
> I recommend the Corning Pretium Unicam kit  there are a few variations
> but it will allow you to install LC / SC / ST end no problem on both single
> and multimode cable.  We have one use it all the time.
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> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Fiber termination
>
>
> I need cheap and simple fiber termination equipment - single and multimode.
> I have fiber certification but haven't done it in a while. Tired of
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for...

[Philip Dorr]

The Windows Scheduler (for time), taskkill (for killing), and copy (for copying)
All of them are are built into Windows

Make a bat file that kills the program and copies the file(s).
Have Scheduler run the bat file daily at 4AM.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> I am looking for a program for windows XP that can run automatically at say
> 4am each night...
>
> I want it to shut down another windows program that may or may not be
> running, and then copy a file from one disk to another disk...
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> Any ideas?
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Re: [WISPA] Android App

[Philip Dorr]

It is likely the chipset is a Broadcom with both WiFi and Bluetooth on
the same chip.

Both my N1 and G2 use the bcm4329 Linux module.  Of course both are made by HTC.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Android is Linux.  The chipset is probably Atheros.  I'm sure it can be
> done, but how difficult it will be is another situation.
>
> I expect you'll need to root the phone and replace the driver and then write
> your own application that understands 5/10/40 channels.
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Jeromie Reeves 
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>> My research says its a limitation on the chipset, however it was not
>> 100% exhaustive so there might be one out there. 2.4 noise is why we
>> no longer use
>> it for any thing except the most rural of PtP shots, often with much
>> dirt blocking any expected noise sources. Maybe Ubnt will make a BT
>> Wifi SA ?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> > I have a few WiFi analyzers on my Droid and they are very useful when
>> > setting up a clients router to make sure they aren't on my Channel.  None
>> > have 40Mhz, 10Mhz or 5 Mhz width ability.  Is there one out there or is 
>> > this
>> > a limitation of the WiFi chipset in the phone.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Philip Dorr]

The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
> Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
> router or switch.
>
> If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
> and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
> value).
>
> Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
> your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.
>
> On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
>
> So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
> are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
> Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
> something that was:
>
> Remote on/off per port
> Auto-ping reboot per port
> Dual-power supply, with notification on fail
> DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v
> The one we are working on is 24v output only
> 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable
> SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring
>
> We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
> transformer.
>
> If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
> is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
> 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
> mid-May.
>
> Kevin
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mark Nash
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
> I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to be 
> able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.
>
> I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port 
> with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)
>
> On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
> Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” 
> feature they’ll have a winner.
>
> Best,
>
> Brad
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
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> Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly.
>
> Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Nick
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
>
> http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18&eq=&Tp=
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> On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
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> Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
> kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason
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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Monitoring AC Current

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What about using a Hall Effect current clamp?

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> Use a bridge regulator on the shunt.  Then meter the output of the bridge.
>
> Almost exactly what I am looking at doing now.  Have PacketFlux 10 amp
> shunt on order.  Will feed that into isolation transformer then with
> diode, capacitor and resisters convert that to a DC voltage.  Am
> hoping with resistive voltage divider I can convert it to 0 - 300 mv
> since I have other plans for the other 12-30 volt inputs.
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>> I want to monitor and graph current on a 120V AC line.  Not DC current.
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Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection

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Have you tried changing the hardware retries for the client?

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
> I see the association go away not matter what else is going on.
>
> On 12/18/2010 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> Ping across, see if it works all the time.
>
> See where the issue is first.
>
> On Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:
>> I have a new customer that is giving us fits.
>> AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9.
>> 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems.
>> I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65
>> both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the
>> performance was great.
>> I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night
>> last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and
>> CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2
>> seconds for it to come back.
>> The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals
>> from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link.
>> Any suggestions?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender

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It requires GPS (which most people not in caves have) and about 60k
connection both ways per conversation (up to 3 conversations).
It creates an IPSEC VPN out to Verizon that the voice traffic goes over.


On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
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>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using one of these?  What are actual bandwidth requirements and
>> usage?
>>
>
> Are you referring to this?
> http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html
> I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For
> calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps).
> The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC),
> so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage
> somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has
> wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance.
> I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a
> femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for
> CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite
> for this statement.
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Philip Dorr]

instead of the dedicated hardware you could use the AirView utility in
a Ubuquti M series product.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> http://ubnt.com/airview
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>> I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she
>> knew was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had
>> and still did not work.
>> One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
>> deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
>> I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure
>> out.  I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop
>> did not see any other APs.
>>
>> On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
>>> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>>>
>>> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>>>
>>> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>>>
>>> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Reed"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>>>
>>>
 Help.
 I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
 customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
 available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
 Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
 customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
 and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
 seems unlikely, but ...
 I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
 to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
 Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
 Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
 I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
 Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
 What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
 networks?

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT GPS

[Philip Dorr]

Is it even for sale yet?

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Anyone test this yet?
> http://www.ubnt.com/rocketmgps
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Re: [WISPA] Copper GigE Distance

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On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> I know copper GigE states a 100m(350') distance limit but is there
>> much elbow room in there?  With shielded Cat-6 could I get 425'
>> stable?
>
> Anyone know of a GigE version of this?
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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

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On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Butch Evans  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
>> 2. The "ethernet bypass capability"... What's the application for this?
>
> This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason),
> there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic.  This
> would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair
> of devices) that may not rely on the same power source.  I have not seen
> a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower
> configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there.
>

It can be useful if you are using the device as a transparent
bandwidth manager.  Then when the device needs to be powered down, for
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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

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You can still bridge,you just cannot switch outside the groups.
software hub vs hardware switch.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> thanks Scott.
>
> Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the
> same switch group?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
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>>2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a
>> switch or any or all can be routed.
>> The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically
>> connected, so data just bypasses the router.
>>
>> On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>>> Fair enough.  I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and
>>> the
>>> point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in
>>> that
>>> like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got
>>> ANSWERED
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> You get what you pay for.  In the Mikrotik router game for port density
>>> there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not
>>> with
>>> the horsepower that's out there now.
>>>
>>> I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to
>>> include a switch:
>>>
>>> 2 for backhauls
>>> 3 for APs
>>> 1 for UPS
>>> 1 for remote power control unit
>>> 1 for laptop access when technician is there
>>>
>>> I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add
>>> a
>>> router at every tower.  I've got 20 towers and I know others have way
>>> more
>>> than that.  20x$1400=$28000.  20x$400=$8000.
>>>
>>> There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access
>>> points,
>>> and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go
>>> for
>>> the higher end models.
>>>
>>> I just looked at the docs for the RB1100...
>>>
>>> It says "thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch
>>> groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability"
>>>
>>> The two questions I have:
>>>
>>> 1. The "5-port switch groups"... Does this mean that the individual ports
>>> can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group?
>>> 2. The "ethernet bypass capability"... What's the application for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Butch Evans"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
>>>
>>>
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
> Well That's not what I said.  You took that leap.
 :-)  I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86
 systems.  I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the
 comparison was made.  If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then
 I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.  Fair enough?

> What I said was that we need port density.  That was no joke.
 I agree.  I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with
 more than 5 ports, too.  Of course, the response was deadly silent.

> Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but
> not
> the
> horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply.
 My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a
 low cost managed switch that you can vlan.  You can buy Cisco switches
 off the secondary market for peanuts these days.  That gives you the
 physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may
 want/need.  If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800
 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100
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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

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We have full routes on two RB1000, it takes a couple of minuets with
high CPU before it finishes loading routes.  As soon as there is a
path for traffic then it starts flowing without much, if any, delay on
traffic.  I have not tried printing the routes at the terminal.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
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>
> Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router?  If
> so, what kind of hardware are you running.  I'm testing a single feed on
> a P3 800.  It loads the routes fine, and seems to handle the routes in
> stride (all 328659 of them), until you start poking at the routing table
> like...
>
> /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"
>
> An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
> Is this "normal" these days, or is significantly greater hardware in
> order?  I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640.  It took 5-10
> minutes to load all of the routes after a reload, and it was almost
> impossible to log in, high packet loss, etc. during that time.
>
> So, should it take 10 seconds on real hardware, or is this type of query
> always slow?
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

[Philip Dorr]

HTML5 is better than either java or flash.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> My experience is the total opposite and I think the world agrees with me.
> Youtube videos, games, ads, etc.
>
> On Oct 2, 2010 6:22 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff" 
> wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Philip Dorr]

But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
802.3af.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>> I wanted to follow up on this.
>> I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
>> problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
>> MikroTik.
>
> RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
> negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
> UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
> capable.
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Philip Dorr]

According to that website channels 5-13 and a couple others, that are
only 2 channels wide, are available here, but unless the local TV
channels completely changed on the DTV switch 5 and 9 are in use.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>  According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>
>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
>> wrote:
>>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>>
>>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.

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 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis    wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>> wrong?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>     wrote:
>>
>>
>>    http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>
>> Kind of cool I think...
>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

Nothing, it will constantly stay on.  Of course you cannot turn off
the second radio.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:
>
> Are you serious ? What if the poe checkbox gets unchecked ?
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: Philip Dorr 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:37:58 -0500
>
>>input power in the "secondary" port and use the "main" port to power
>>the second radio
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Robert West  
>>wrote:
>>> Eh?  What ya mean???
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:14 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!
>>>
>>> It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>> I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is 
>>>> why.
>>>> On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've
>>>> stuck with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks
>>>> for sharing!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
>>>>> NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees
>>>>> but had a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10
>>>>> foot sections of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an
>>>>> underground line of Cat5e, double shielded and flooded cable with
>>>>> ground wire to his house.  That was 5 months or so ago.  At the
>>>>> beginning of August, he called me and said his neighbor wanted
>>>>> service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a Nano5M and
>>>>> plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a second
>>>>> Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor
>>>>> not working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I
>>>>> figure, bad crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect 
>>>>> the two, fires up.
>>>>> All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
>>>>> reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade
>>>>> firmware to 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also
>>>>> add I was getting some “weird† Â lag at the AP that this setup was
>>>>> feeding off of.  So I was fighting two battles.  Then today, I find
>>>>> that the PoE Pass Through check box is empty.  DUH!  I check it,
>>>>> apply, comes back empty.  I do it again, same issue.  I go out and I
>>>>> can connect my laptop through the secondary port but it will not give any 
>>>>> voltage.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I then checked in the UBNT forums………….  It’s an issue.  After 
>>>>> 20 days
>>>>> PoE on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with
>>>>> another Nano5M, working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with
>>>>> another MacGyver solution to service this dude……….
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just so ya knows.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

input power in the "secondary" port and use the "main" port to power
the second radio

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Eh?  What ya mean???
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!
>
> It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is why.
>> On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've
>> stuck with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks
>> for sharing!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
>>> NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees
>>> but had a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10
>>> foot sections of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an
>>> underground line of Cat5e, double shielded and flooded cable with
>>> ground wire to his house.  That was 5 months or so ago.  At the
>>> beginning of August, he called me and said his neighbor wanted
>>> service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a Nano5M and
>>> plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a second
>>> Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor
>>> not working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I
>>> figure, bad crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect the two, 
>>> fires up.
>>> All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
>>> reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade
>>> firmware to 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also
>>> add I was getting some “weird”  lag at the AP that this setup was
>>> feeding off of.  So I was fighting two battles.  Then today, I find
>>> that the PoE Pass Through check box is empty.  DUH!  I check it,
>>> apply, comes back empty.  I do it again, same issue.  I go out and I
>>> can connect my laptop through the secondary port but it will not give any 
>>> voltage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I then checked in the UBNT forums.  It’s an issue.  After 20 days
>>> PoE on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with
>>> another Nano5M, working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with
>>> another MacGyver solution to service this dude……….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just so ya knows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG  wrote:
> I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is why.
> On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've stuck
> with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks for
> sharing!
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>>
>> Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
>> NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees but had
>> a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10 foot sections
>> of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an underground line of Cat5e,
>> double shielded and flooded cable with ground wire to his house.  That was 5
>> months or so ago.  At the beginning of August, he called me and said his
>> neighbor wanted service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a
>> Nano5M and plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a
>> second Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid
>>
>>
>>
>> Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor not
>> working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I figure, bad
>> crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect the two, fires up.
>> All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
>> reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade firmware to
>> 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also add I was getting
>> some “weird”  lag at the AP that this setup was feeding off of.  So I was
>> fighting two battles.  Then today, I find that the PoE Pass Through check
>> box is empty.  DUH!  I check it, apply, comes back empty.  I do it again,
>> same issue.  I go out and I can connect my laptop through the secondary port
>> but it will not give any voltage.
>>
>>
>>
>> I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!
>>
>>
>>
>> I then checked in the UBNT forums.  It’s an issue.  After 20 days PoE
>> on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with another Nano5M,
>> working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with another MacGyver solution
>> to service this dude……….
>>
>>
>>
>> Just so ya knows.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

[Philip Dorr]

Antarctic

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Is that an African or English swallow?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:09 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
> What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
> Totally agree.
>
>>When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its
> first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.
>
> Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300 miles
> 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the time you blink.
>
>>The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over
> 4Mbps.
>
> Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at full 
> definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth was and we 
> figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or hundreds of people.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they
>> do
> one of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple 
> of guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb 
> files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons 
> would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why 
> not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of John Thomas
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>>
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
>> -are-faster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Philip Dorr]

on the interface that has the same IP subnet as the VPN

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> If this was asked earlier in the thread I missed it. On which interfaces 
> should arp-proxy be enabled? Just on the local net or on the public 
> interface(s) as well?
>
> Greg
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Butch Evans wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 22:51 -0400, Francois Menard wrote:
>>> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the
>>> same subnet as the subnet to which access is sought for ?
>>
>> No...I said that IF you are using IPs that are part of an existing
>> subnet, then you WILL need to use proxy-arp to make it work.
>>
>>>
>>> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed
>>> relationship between the VPN client and the VPN server ...
>>> thus the need for Proxy-ARP in that case ?
>>
>> I really don't understand the question you are asking.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Philip Dorr]

If you are using the same IP subnet on the VPN and the Ethernet you
need arp set to proxy-arp

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Trying to connect remotely via windows based laptop, PtPP protocol.  Setup
> the PtPP server with all the "stuff", can connect just fine and get out to
> the internet but not into the private network.  Missing something simple
> here.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:18 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script
>
> What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?
>
> I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.
>
> --
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>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the
> tunnel in relation to the other interfaces?
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West" 
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
> Anyone have a script of a step by step?
>>>
>>>
>>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
> Throwing in the towel yet again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Me-
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

[Philip Dorr]

DA5W-29-DP-FEED

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
> I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.  Anyone
> have a part number for them?
>
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> On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotstein > > wrote:
>>
>>     We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic dishes serving
>>     as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios connected to
>>     these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.  Does anyone
>>     know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes from single
>>     pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a whole new dish
>>     setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy just a
>>     feed horn?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>> I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.
>>
>> We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you describe.
>> There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a few
>> inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a smaller
>> hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a rasp, and
>> basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the new
>> feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something, and
>> already had a suitable small notch in the center.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Router Types

[Philip Dorr]

Most likely it is the last 4 numbers of the serial number

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I think when I checked that once it was an
> incorrect guess.
>
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> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> It's the last 4# of the MAC address I think
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:15 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Router Types
>>
>> Was that all that was in the essid? Qwest, 2wire, and a few others now
>> do that. They place the default essid and key on the bottom and gamble
>> that no two with the same las 4 digits land near each other.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> I havent done it in quite sometime, so today I fired up my laptop with
>>> netstumbler while driving around. I picked up a bunch of AP's with numbers
>>> such as 0171 6043, 1163, 0320, etc. Does anyone know what they are?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off Topic Challenge (Regular Expression)

[Philip Dorr]

to remove trailing [[x add a sed regex

cat test | awk -F "=" '{print $2}'|sed 's/\[\[x//'

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Charles N Wyble
 wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>
> I receive the following back from a web request a custom application makes.
>  I need some regular expressions that tear it apart into its individual data
> fields.  Everything between the equal lines is an actual response sample.  I
> need the name, number, address, city, state and zip pulled from the entire
> text output - each with one regular expression.  I'm sure there is some
> talented people out there that can do this in a few minutes.  I figured I'd
> be lazy and ask before I spent hours trial and erroring.
>
>  Thanks for your assistance and time
>
> 
> Vitelity Communications API. Unauthorized access prohibited. All commands
> are logged along with IP and username.
>
> x[[name=BREVARD WIRELESS
> number=3212051100
> address=123 WIRELESS DR
> city=ROCKLEDGE
> state=FL
> zip=32955[[x
>
> If it's on Linux just shell out to awk via a system call and assign each
> response to a variable (probably inside an array):
>
> char...@john:~$ cat testin2
> [name=blah
> number=11
> address=1 a b c
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Philip Dorr]

probably a mikrotik router or two

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Whats the .001 unit?
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>>
>> Works fine.  I’m now 99.999% UBNT!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
>>
>>
>>
>> All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT.   I have
>> a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns.
>> They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower that due to
>> contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am considering
>> taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket
>> and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch all my
>> clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before
>> the snow flies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax till
>> everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you
>> get it on?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

[Philip Dorr]

how about Ubiquti with Openmesh

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however
> but open to some ideas for sure
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>
> Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the
> town from both sides, and a mesh through out town?
>
> Greg
>
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have
>
> two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11
>
> miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most
>
> customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the
>
> tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in
>
> the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for
>
> AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84.
>
> I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that
>
> is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the
>
> ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles
>
> away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will
>
> likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg
>
> sectors.
>
> Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have
>
> wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but
>
> they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are
>
> typically -100 to -104 noise.
>
> Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater
>
> situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees,
>
> under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with
>
> trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable
>
> service, as there is DSL in this town.
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Philip Dorr]

Would a RB1000 and HP Procurve work?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:
> Yikes $40k again. I am trying to come up with a sub $12k solution.
>
> On 09/11/2010 02:39 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> No I haven't. But I will look into it now. Let me know how your talk
>> with the sales guys goes?
>>
>> On 09/11/2010 02:38 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>>
>>> That makes sense.
>>> BGP over a VPLS VC shouldn't be any different than BGP across a
>>> Ethernet cable AFAIK.
>>>
>>> Have you checked out the Alcatel-Lucent SR series routers? I'm
>>> supposed to be talking to one of their sales reps next week. They nare
>>> really trying to gain market share and i hear hey have some good
>>> deals.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 11, 2010, Matt Jenkins   
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I am thinking its time to use a switch as a switch and a router as a
 router. I am thinking about using this for the MPLS backbone and put in
 actual 7200/7300 routers at locations where full BGP needs to be
 offered. What I haven't yet worked out is whether two routers can
 establish a BGP peering session over a VPLS VC.


 On 09/11/2010 01:25 PM, Jon Auer wrote:


> Beware of the TCAM size on that box.
> IIRC it hasn't been able to take full internet routes since 2008
> because of that limitation.
>
> On Saturday, September 11, 2010, Matt Jenkins  
>    wrote:
>
>
>
>> After many days of searching it looks like I found something in the sub
>> $20k range. The ME-C6524GT-8S appears to do it all.
>>
>> On 09/08/2010 04:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
>>> switches...
>>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>>
>>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>>
>>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>>> known to do.
>>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>>> router/route reflector.
>>>
>>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins 
>>>       wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T 
 ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?

 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP 
 connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Philip Dorr]

I think we are seeing high uptime (possibly 99.9%), but we have signal
fade in the morning when there is dew (down for a couple of seconds
every 5 minutes for about a half hour).  We are planning to move about
5 miles closer so that we can get better uptime.

The link is WQJT540 (39 06 02.9 N, 094 34 52.3 W) to WQJT544 (38 39
15.0 N, 094 17 54.4 W)

We have a -38.5 dBm RSL and a 36.34 dB SNR.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing?
> Are you using space diversity and dual links?  Phillip without making me
> sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the
> desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading
> most places.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>
> If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
> link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
>> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>>
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>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>>> impedance is not the right one.
>>>
>>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>>
>>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>>> installations?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Philip Dorr]

If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK  wrote:
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
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> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet to Fiber Adapters

[Philip Dorr]

you could get a DC to DC converter that works off of 24 volts (or make your own)

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:35 AM, RickG  wrote:
> I had a feeling you were going to say that. Let us know if you find those.
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>>
>> This looks good, but uses 7.5 volt power.  I need something that uses the
>> 24 volt power that is in the box.
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>
>> These work well for the price.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156005&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-Trendnet-_-33156005
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Scott Reed 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know there are folks out there using fiber up the tower.
>>> What are you using for media converters?
>>>
>>> Scott Reed wrote:
>>> > I have a tower that it looks like the only option is to run fiber to
>>> > the
>>> > RB433 as there is an FM repeater station just below us.  All my RBs are
>>> > running at 24VDC.  What Ethernet to Fiber adapters are folks using that
>>> > run on 24VDC?
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7

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Put a static IP on the computer and access the Mikroik devices via MAC

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    I just get sick of configuring units, such as mikrotik, and switching
> devices and then having to wait until DHCP times out.  Pretty annoying when
> you have 50 Mikrotik boards to configure.  Takes longer for me to wait on
> DHCP than to drop the config file on it.
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> From: Mark Dueck 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:39:25 -0600
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7
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> LOL.   if you have a Deliberant radio you might want to look into increasing
> it to 5 minutes because that's how long they take to boot up.  I tried
> looking into it a while ago, but did not find anything that easily.
>
> Had to tell my customers to wait 5 minutes to startup the computer once they
> booted up the radio.
>
> Mark
>
> On 08/20/2010 09:42 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>
> Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 I know a good majority of you deal with
> the annoyance of waiting on Windows to timeout when there is no DHCP server.
>  Anyone found a fix for this? Registry setting?  Very annoying waiting on
> windows to timeout DHCP when you know it will not get one.  Sure a static IP
> shortens this time, but can be a pain in itself.  Looking for a hack to
> shorten the windows DHCP timeout down to something sane.
>
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Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

[Philip Dorr]

Host a Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, ect) Bittorrent seed box?

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> Host a server for speedtest.net
>
>
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>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth
>
>
>
> Ya we currently have over 200Mbps of available "outgoing" bandwidth
> available and we already do hosting and co-location. :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...?
>
>
>
> Maybe help the community with content distribution.
>
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> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Don Grossman  wrote:
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>
> Hey there
>
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>
>        As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are
> people doing with the excess outbound capacity?
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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

[Philip Dorr]

With a humidity of 40-80%, when you step outside and you start
sweating very quickly (60+%) or just want to get back inside quickly.
Of course the humidity drops once you get about 80 feet off of the
ground, so it is bearable to work on a tower,but not comfortable.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> Like 98 with a heat index of 116 or something like that, course I am not
> there, but sounds like it sux.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch
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>
> Define Missouri heat, for us?  Wasn't aware it was that hot there.
>
> On Aug 11, 2010 10:01 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:
>
> We use the 12 and 8 port Mid-Spans (non-poe compliant) on our towers,
> work great. We have some at 400 foot in the MO heat ! lol   We sell them
> at www.wlan1.com, think we have some in stock as well.   What's nice, is
> that they come with a great warranty, and so far, never have had any
> issues with them..  (knock on wood right)
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Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP

[Philip Dorr]

Was that even legal? I thought the 900 MHz spectrum that we are
allowed was 902-928.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at
> 906, 914, and 930 without issue.
>
> It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz
> spacing.
>
> 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would
> put the AP on the back of the antenna
>
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> Sent Mobile
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> On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:
>
>> I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help.
>> How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed?
>> Can they be the same polarity?
>> Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft?
>> Anything else I should consider?
>> Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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The fiber on one tower is "Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
Cable 700 series" shielded cable, but usually it is just normal fiber
that is inside conduit.  The media converters are whatever we can buy
and still cheap (TP-Link,TRENDnet,etc). We put our own ends on the
cable to fit whatever modules we buy (used to be SC, but now mainly
ST).  We use a Lightcrimp Pluss kit to put the ends on the fiber.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG  wrote:
> What type of fiber and media converters are you using?
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Philip Dorr 
> wrote:
>>
>> We would use fiber+120VAC
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jason Hensley 
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>> > Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
>> > than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[Philip Dorr]

It is ran up the side of the tower and cable tied about every five
feet or less. On the bottom end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser
PLDO-20US20A to protect the equipment at the bottom from lightning
strikes. I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it
has "3125 07:08 ROHS" printed on it and then a number of feet and is
able to be directly buried.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM,   wrote:
> How do you run the 110 up the tower?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> We would use fiber+120VAC
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
>> Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
>> than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[Philip Dorr]

We would use fiber+120VAC

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
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> than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Philip Dorr]

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
per square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK  wrote:
> I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category,
> many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.
>
> So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.
>
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> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
>> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
>> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
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> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
> auroras."
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Philip Dorr]

Nothing.  The USB port on the rocket is a USB host, not a USB device/client.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb
>
> hmmm what can u do with that ?
>
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> On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
>> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
>> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
>> last night. No help.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
>>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
>>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>>
>>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>>
 Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
 loss?

 There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular

>>> radio
>>>
 scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

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Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods
one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached
to each leg of the tower.  When you have guy wires are't you supposed
to do the same between them?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
> about 10 ft out in each direction.
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> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike  wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at
>> least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>>
>> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
>> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
>> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
>> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
>> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
>> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
>> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
>> goes directly into the limestone.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
>>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
>>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
>> away.
>>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
>> If
>>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>>> static.
>>>
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>>>
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>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>>
>>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Philip Dorr]

I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it has "3125
07:08 ROHS" printed on it and then a number of feet.  It is ran up the
side of the tower and cable tied about every five feet. On the bottom
end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser PLDO-120US20A to protect the
equipment in the building from lightning strikes.

The Armored fiber says "Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
Cable 700 series ==62.5/125== 6F PN 200032.  03/01" and then the
number of meters on it. and is cable tied with the AC.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?
>
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> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every
>> 20' or 30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the
>> fiber is "supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type
>> it is you would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit
>> that could easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a
>> tower.
>>
>> Justin Wilson wrote:
>>
>> This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.
>>
>> 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
>> 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
>> conduit?
>> 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
>> 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Philip Dorr]

1. I do not think we are doing strain relief on the normal fiber, but
on the armored we attached it to the tower with brackets every 4 feet
or so.
2.  We have done both.  The non armored is easier to get to the
fibers, but the armored can be attached directly to the tower.
3.  The armored is attached directly to the tower, but the normal is
in rigid conduit, until ~2 feet from the box at the top and then it is
~4 feet of flexible conduit
4.  Normal fiber to Ethernet transceiver, the same we use at the
bottom.  We run AC up the tower to power our radios, fiber module(s),
and router.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.
>
> 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
> 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
> conduit?
> 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
> 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?
>
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Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue

[Philip Dorr]

Those that we have had the Ethernet go dead, but the wireless still
works, we replace the Ethernet chip on and they work fine.  Since
using shielded CAT5E, we have not lost any radios that had shielded
cable and a Ubiquti PoE supply.  If we lose one and it has unshielded
wire, then we replace the wire with shielded wire and the radio with a
repaired radio (or a new radio if we do not currently have a repaired
radio).

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I've had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using them).
> One doesn't turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethernet
> link/activity (powers on, wireless works).
>
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:
>>
>> I have a box full of them that have the same issue.  Ben told me to use
>> shielded cable for client installs.
>> Not that I haven't had a MT get hit a time or 2 but it seems every time I
>> see a cloud in the sky I loose an ns2.
>> Hopefully they'll get this fixed but for now I'm sticking with the $130 MT
>> CPE over the ns2.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I had that a week or two ago.  Michael asked me to just go ahead and RMA -
>> I did.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Mark McElvy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes powered up and working fine from wireless side, no link on Ethernet
>>>
>>> Mark McElvy
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue
>>>
>>> Is the unit still powering up from the POE ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And you just can't talk to it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mark McElvy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 PM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curious if other have seen issue with bad Ethernet ports on NS2's. I
>>> have a customer with a strange setup and he has blown the Ethernet port
>>> on 3 NS2's so far. Setup is a PS2/Client to the Internet  on a 50ft mast
>>> on a hillside, Ethernet runs 150ft down a hill to power and is plugged
>>> into a NS2 in AP mode transmitting down the hill to the house where
>>> there is another NS2 as a client to the NS2 on the hill. The issue is
>>> with the AP/NS2 up the hill keeps blowing the Ethernet port. It is on a
>>> 10ft Ethernet cable and the LAN ports of the two POE's (NS2/AP and
>>> PS2/Client to the Internet) are connected together with a crossover. Any
>>> thoughts on why just this one radio would blow the ether port?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

[Philip Dorr]

If it is a HTTP interface then you might be able to use curl to talk
to the device.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Mike  wrote:
> Well yeah, I know that.  What I would like to do is >> if this and this or
> this then do that.  I can write Awk code or something to do that, but I have
> never "talked" to a digital logger with its native language.  Have you?
>
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>
> Mike
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
>
> It's built in.  Just have it ping the device (or a device on the far side of
>
> a link) and set the auto ping to cycle that outlet.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
>
>
>> Does anyone have a way to control a Digital Loggers Ethernet switch they
>> would share?  I want to be able to say create a batch file or small
>> executable to power cycle certain ports.
>>
>> Thanks,  Mike
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

[Philip Dorr]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Alan Bryant
 wrote:
> As public IP addresses are limited and at times hard to come by, we
> are trying to use them as efficiently as possbile, however, we
> basically have a /24, 2 /22's, and a /23 allocated to us right now. I
> have decided upon a subnet for every AP that includes some room for
> growth, but not a lot. What I am not sure of is how to add a new
> subnet to an AP once it runs out of space. Do I just point a new
> subnet to that AP and I'm fine having multiple subnets on the AP? Do I
> need to renumber to make the current subnet larger?

Just add a new subnet (and appropriate routing) and you should be able
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

So it could work on a licensed or ham radio link that is pumping out 50+ watts?

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it work.
>
> If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're basically
> going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3).  Running the calcs it
> looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.
>
> Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance.  So
> at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd
> still only see a receive signal of about -114.
>
> Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
>
> Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This
> sounds WAY to simple.
>
> A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged
> into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal
> would you have on the back side at the house?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the
> two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on
> a remote location.
>
> (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
>> have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
>> was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
>> TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet
>> up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>>
>> I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not
>> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>>
>> How does everyone you get around this?
>>
>> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
>> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30" pig tail, what distance of cable would 
> you need in between them for the best match?
>
> Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
> electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
> distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
> have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.
>
> Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
> measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
> meter/feet/inch.
>
300 / frequency in MHz = size in meters

> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
> If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
> (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
> find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
> :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
> impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
> http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif
>
> The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed 
> line's impedance ("a perfect match" represented by the point marked 1.0 in 
> the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain 
> distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on 
> the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw 
> a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
> To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move 
> down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move 
> around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be 
> the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer 
> diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If 
> you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength 
> around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
> 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on 
> the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
> 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
> other words you return to where you started.
>
> Greg
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>> The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
> years
>> I have done just that with limited success.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in
>> SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as
>> well as
> the
>> techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi
>> at
> a
>> known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the
>> building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that
>> particular time
> in
>> my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole
>> was
> cut
>> very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was
>> cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In
>> that way
> any
>> matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in
>> the building a couple bars and made usage possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a
>> bowl and couldn't see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.
>> Cell phones don't work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture
>> which has a hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my 
>> tower.
>> They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a
>> panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which
>> termed the entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.
>>
>>
>>
>> We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together
>> with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a
>> multiple of ¼
> wave
>> again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the
> campground.
>> It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn't work most of the
>> time before.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them
>> with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

since when?  I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
they added second ethernet port.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
> want to do is learn another radio system.
>
> Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Repeater
>
> I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
> one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
> Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
> 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
> POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.
>
> I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
> many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?
>
> How does everyone you get around this?
>
> Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
> pigtails, 2 LMR cables.
>
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> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex

[Philip Dorr]

Just guessing, but could they require a crossover cable when both are
forced?  According to Wikipedia Auto-MDIX requires the speed and
duplex setting to be set to auto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-MDIX

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I have a BulletM2 and a NanostationM5 back to back (the bullet's ethernet 
> port is connected to the NanostationM5's "secondary" port. The NanostationM5 
> is doing POE pass through and powering the BulletM2. The NanostationM5 the 
> BulletM2 is connected to is the far end of a pair of NanostationM5's acting 
> as a backhaul.
>
> I've had some intermittent problems on the network and I wanted to rule out a 
> flaky ethernet cable or connection so I decided to disable auto negotiate on 
> the ethernet port and to force 100Mbps full duplex to see if the problem 
> could be exacerbated to help locate it. When I force the BulletM2 and 
> NanostationM5 to 100Mbps full duplex connectivity between them is lost. I 
> thought "good, I've got a bad cable" so I replaced the cable. Still no good. 
> Tried another. Still no good. The units are close together and connected 
> together with a 6' cable. After trying various cables I still can't get 
> forced 100Mbps full duplex to work. With 100Mbps full dup forced there is no 
> connectivity, not even ping.
>
> If I revert to auto negotiate they connect fine.
>
> I'm assuming they are connecting at 100Mbps and probably full duplex because 
> if I run a speed test from the BulletM2 to the far NanostationM5 (data path 
> is from the BulletM2 through the ethernet cable to the close NanostationM5, 
> then across the wireless connection (AirMax, no ptp ack) to the far 
> NanostationM5) I'm seeing speeds of 95Mbps both directions with a combined 
> speed of double that so it seems like things are running very well in both 
> directions simultaneously.
>
> Is there any way through SSH or scripting to get the UBNT gear to report what 
> speed has been negotiated on the ethernet port using auto negociate?
>
> Could this be a bug in the firmware?
>
> Thanks!
> Greg
>
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Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?

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The HTC EVO 4G was released today.  The demand for it brought down
their activation system.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> Yes it is, Sprint owns Clear and they are releasing a phone (HTC 4G)
> some time soon. The times I used it, it was not very good at all. High
> ping, low bandwidth, but these were all the 'pro' install cabled to a
> indoor AP.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> Isn't it Clear's wimax service?
>>
>> On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor  wrote:
>>> hi guys... it's been a while!
>>>
>>> So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like
>>> me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space
>>> ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network?
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Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?

[Philip Dorr]

If downtime is a option the you can boot the system of a live Linux
distro and make a DD backup of the HDD.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted to the 
> MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks!
>
> I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS install 
> including the license on an x86 installation. I have a computer on which I 
> was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out for an RB750. I want to use 
> the computer for other things (perhaps Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want 
> to lose the RouterOS license, and I would also like to have the computer 
> ready to go back in service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one 
> to lightning before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying 
> to pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the 
> license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the 
> possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced it 
> should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd run down to 
> Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that for the other OS. 
> But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging the drive with RouterOS 
> on it and keep tha
>  t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should this 
> work? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results

[Philip Dorr]

I prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_(1980_video_game) and
its deriviatives

I remember having Battlezone, Tempest, Asteroids, and Centepede
installed on my Windows 3.1 computer.  I need to see if I can find the
disks they where on (hopefully they are not 5.25 inch, dead 3.5 inch
disks, or lost/trashed)

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM, RickG  wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28arcade_game%29
> I bet your thinking of Joust:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joust_%28video_game%29
> Both were hours of fun!
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Forbes Mercy
>  wrote:
>> So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers.  The first
>> choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede.  I appreciate your help, we
>> will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July
>> 21/22.  Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions.
>>
>> 1st Choice    Game    2nd Choice
>>
>> 2      Pacman                   3
>> 11    Galaga                     1
>> 2      Gorf                        0
>> 2     Donkey Kong           1
>> 2     Centepede                5
>> 1     Asteroids                  3
>> 2     Asteroids Deluxe      0
>> 1     Dig Dug                    1
>> 0     Space Invaders         1
>> 0     Lunar Lander            0
>> 2     Missle Command      2
>> 1     Zork                         0
>> 2     Ms. Pacman             0
>> 3     Frogger                    2
>> 2     Donkey Kong          2
>> 1     1942                        3
>> 1     Defender                  1
>> 2     Zaxxon                     0
>> 1     Tron                         1
>>
>> Other notes:  Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre
>> Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?)
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an
>> interesting Friday.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ack settings

[Philip Dorr]

Airmax is up to V5.2-RC as of two days ago

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:
>
> Airmax is up to 5.2.beta8, legacy is up to 3.5.xxxrc something.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Fri, 14 May 2010 17:30:39 -0400
>
>>What is beta 8?
>>
>>I've never changed the ack timeouts.  I've always used dynamic (MT APs
>>and NS2 CPEs).
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>continue that counts.”
>>--- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Robert West  
>>wrote:
>>> I've been doing Auto Ack since beta 8 came out and it seems to be setting it
>>> just right but I use UBNT for the AP as well.  Before that I was setting
>>> them a little more than the center of the CPEs average distance with no
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> However, with the UBNT on both sides we can also set the AirMax priority so
>>> that the clients further out have lower priority thus the closer ones won't
>>> suffer.  With the setting of the two it's been smooth.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Data Technology
>>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:54 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] ack settings
>>>
>>> I have MT for access points and mostly UBNT for client units.
>>>
>>> Just wondering about the proper way to set the ack on the CPE.  I have
>>> always just set it for a little further than the customer on the UBNT
>>> side and left the MT side to dynamic.  This was set differently for each
>>> customer.  One might be set at 1 mile and one might be set at 5 miles.
>>>
>>> I read something the other day that said the ack should be set at the
>>> furtherest customer plus about 10%.  I read this to mean that all
>>> customers should be set to the furtherest distance, is this correct?
>>>
>>> Also searching came up with the fact that the auto ack setting on UBNT
>>> is more of a problem that a help.
>>>
>>> Just looking for suggestions and input on how everyone is setting the
>>> client units.
>>> And do I leave the access point set to dynamic or should I set it
>>> statically as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests

[Philip Dorr]

Wouldn't you saturate your upload 3Mb/s before you could reach even 1Gb/s?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Larry A Weidig  wrote:
>        Wow, I knew our connections were fast - now I need to figure out
> what to charge!  Just downloaded the entire Internet in less than a
> second :)  Not a very accurate tool!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bret Clark
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:26 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests
>
> I didn't find speedtest mini to be that accurate, although it's be over
> a year since I last tried it.
>
> I actually found ajaxometer to be much better.
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ajaxometer/
>
> On 05/13/2010 06:24 PM, Michael Baird wrote:
>> We are a speedtest.net host, so customers who head to speedtest anyway
>> are redirected to a local httpd on our network, geographical
> competitors
>> get sent to our network as well which has the side benefit of a little
>> advert for us.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
  From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various
> offsite

>>> speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can
> set up
>>> on my network?
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Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

[Philip Dorr]

both? A lazy rebel?

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> I just ignore.
>
> This is why I'm always in trouble.
>
> Screw em.  I'm either a rebel or lazy.  You decide.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules
>
>
> Isn't that how it goes though? How much time and/or expense does it
> take to run your business for "work" that has nothing to do with your
> service? With all due respect, just because Quickbooks can do it
> "easily" doesnt mean it should be imposed on a business owner. And
> when you get down to it, when your dealing with anything in software &
> hardware, etc, it's never easy. The bottom line is that I want to
> simply provide great internet access to my customers. Instead, I spend
> about half my time dealing with crap such as this. Gimme a break!
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:00 PM, David Sovereen
>  wrote:
>> Quickbooks can spit them out for you easily and automatically. Sure, it
>> will take some time to collect TINs the first year it's in effect, but
>> after that, the work is only incremental and highly automatable.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> MDK  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/
>>
>> It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a
>> year.
>>
>> Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck. Ebay
>> purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.
>>
>> That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit".
>>
>> Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month. Call up the
>> White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit".
>> When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will
>> realize
>> it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns business
>> and economics.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

49MHz is not an ISM frequency

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> When you say "does not allow data", do you mean spread spectrum
> communications? For example, isn't the little slice of unlicensed
> spectrum at 49 MHz an ISM band? There are plenty of devices that use
> that for non spread spectrum "data transmission". Or is this another
> case of using the term "ISM" too loosely?
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
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>
> ralphlists wrote:
>> Not exactly correct.
>>
>> You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
>> It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that "communicate"
>>
>>
>> There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1
>> watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
>> Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a repeater
>> with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.  When he got
>> caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got deeper and
>> deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.  Since he
>> had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a day.
>> Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little easier on
>> the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.
>>
>> You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The Company was
>> Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
>>
>> Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
>> generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum is
>> available than just ISM.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Whats the diff?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than
unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of
1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a "microwave
oven".  HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz.

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the
> 2.4ghz band???
>
> And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment
> certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt
> transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is nothing
> we can do about it because a HAM is a licensed user and we are UN-LICENSED.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
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> 419-562-6405
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of ralphlists
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:27 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
>
> Not exactly correct.
>
> You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
> It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that "communicate"
>
>
> There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1
> watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
> Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a repeater
> with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.  When he got
> caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got deeper and
> deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.  Since he
> had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a day.
> Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little easier on
> the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.
>
> You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The Company was
> Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
>
> Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
> generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum is
> available than just ISM.
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Whats the diff?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band

"In the United States of America, ISM uses of the ISM bands are
governed by Part 18 of the FCC rules, while Part 15 Subpart B contains
the rules for unlicensed communication devices, even those that use
the ISM frequencies. Part 18 ISM rules prohibit using ISM for
communications."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_(FCC_rules)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII


On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 900 and 2.4 are ISM
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:30 AM, "ralphlists"  wrote:
>
>> Not exactly correct.
>>
>> You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
>> It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that
>> "communicate"
>>
>>
>> There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using
>> illegal 1
>> watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
>> Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a
>> repeater
>> with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.
>> When he got
>> caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got
>> deeper and
>> deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.
>> Since he
>> had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a
>> day.
>> Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little
>> easier on
>> the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.
>>
>> You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The
>> Company was
>> Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
>>
>> Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
>> generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum
>> is
>> available than just ISM.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
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Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Philip Dorr]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Jon Auer  wrote:
> So, I have a friend that tried that once.
>
> It can be pretty hard to get decent speed with bittorrent on a stock system.
> Lots of different clients, all requesting different data. Plays havoc
> on drives. Need plenty of cache. RAID0 disk array, etc.
>
A RAM Disk should work.  Rather easy to setup in Linux to test with.

> On top of that the linux distributions didn't seem to have that much
> demand, relatively speaking (FTP mirror sites across peering seem to
> perform better for me).
> To actually get enough demand to drive the throughput we wanted we had
> to resort to unmentionable yet far more popular content.
>
Get a Linux Distro, like Ubuntu, on release day.

> But yes, quite fun to take something common and tune it to perform at
> uncommon loads.
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> Torrents will fill capacity much better.  Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
>> etc.  Share the wealth!
>>
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>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
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>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
>>> a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
>>> see if it's up to snuff.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

[Philip Dorr]

It is in the forums

http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19866
http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19867

Be careful using it in production environments, it is a beta and may have bugs.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Do you have a link to the firmware? It is not listed at their website.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Michael Baird 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:12:14 -0400
>
>>Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you
>>upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums.
>>
>>Regards
>>Michael Baird
>>> I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working
>>> great. So, I thought I'd give the "M" units a try. So far, nothing but
>>> poor signal, dropped packets,&  low throughput. Replacing them with
>>> regular units fix the issue. What gives?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy
>>>   wrote:
>>>
 After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and
 the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
 antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
 them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where
 distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem.  We
 just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
 short range backhauls.

 Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we
 set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at
 -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
 Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
 install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
 Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
 generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then the
 WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
 beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a
 pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
 back to just bullets and Rockets.

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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

[Philip Dorr]

Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin
rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start
charring around a HDD and screwdriver.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into
> to keep things private.  Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the
> boot order and put an admin password on the bios.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
>
> Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found
> http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and
> the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that
> pc did.  Still wont stop the Zune.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
>
> Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and
> such.  There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks
> down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows
> vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings.  But none of
> them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's.  You will need a account with OpenDNS and
> install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right.  There
> are ways you can bypass this for your use.  But knowing the teacher you are
> on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings.  As
> the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way.
>
> I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my
> clients.  Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com
> Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email
> addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace,
> facebook etc. sites.
>
> If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.
>
> If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can
> delete things from.
>
> I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might
> bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting the
> stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.
>
> Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email
> address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally
> found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been
> saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got
>
> the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't know
> that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and
>
> work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)
>
> So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted
>
> information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had
> no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden
> from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address.
>
> They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.  However
> they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO
> proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was over
>
> 18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account
> information!  "go get it from your teen" is basically what I was told.
>
> WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.
>
> So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these
> days?
>
> thanks
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti made no points today

[Philip Dorr]

It could be the same board minus the voltage regulator.  And the new
production line will have the regulator.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Scott Carullo
 wrote:
> If its the same board why is it a completely different power
> configuration?
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
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> 
>
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti made no points today
>
> Hmm Interesting..
>
> My first Airgird , I assembled it wrong, I put the Radio in the center at
> 90deg of what it should have been, and was not able to see any signal from
> the Rocket M5's.
> It had an accident, fell flat on it's face on concrete and broke the
> Radio..
> The 2nd Airgrid I tested was the smaller one, that was able to see the
> signal from the Rocket M5, but was very very sensitive to allignment... We
> were testing at 8.8 miles...
>
> Also tested the Nanobridge very sensitive and difficult to align, very
> narrow beamwidth... We don't have a clean LOS on this link (we do have two
> Rocket M5's working with 2ft Dishes, working very well...), however the
> Nanobridge could hear the Rocket M5 w/ 16db 90deg (smaller sector), but the
> Pannel was having trouble hearing the NanoBridge...
>
> For testing, I switched to the lower band and turned up the power, and was
> able to establish a link... since we were testing, I did not leave it
> up...plus chalked off poor link in the normal 5.8 band due to not a clean
> LOS and interference... Need to do some more testing at a 2-4 mile link to
> get some conclusive answers.
>
> Some of the folks on the UBNT list have reported the NanoBridge they
> recieved working on lower band but not working properly on the higher side
> of the band...
>
> I would suggest that you do some testing at distance greater than inside
> the office to something less than 4 miles... to get an idea of what exactly
> is going on
>
> The btw, the board inside the Airgird is the same board as what is inside
> the Bullet M...
>
> Faisal
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Forbes Mercy 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:01:21 -0700
>
>>After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and
>>the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
>>antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
>>them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where
>>distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem.  We
>>just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
>>short range backhauls.
>>
>>Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we
>>set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at
>>-50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
>>Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
>>install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
>>Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
>>generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then the
>>WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
>>beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a
>>pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
>>back to just bullets and Rockets.
>>
>>Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

[Philip Dorr]

No, and the 2.4GHz cannot and will not analyze 5.8GHz

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have not played with the M series yet.  Will the 5.8 units analyze 2.4 as 
> well?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:21 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released
>
> UBNT Beta 5.2.4 was released yesterday.  (Stop the eye rolling.!  J )
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm cautious with the Betas so I'm trying the new UBNT AirOS Beta firmware on 
> a couple of unused AP radios out in the field.
>
>
>
> The Beta has the AirView Spectrum Analyzer in it now.  Works darned good, 
> looks just like the software for the little AirView devices we use.  This one 
> lets me set the channel scan from 4900 to 6400, gives you the ability to 
> control whatever range you want to monitor.  Nice and smooth.  Downfall is 
> that if you do a spectral scan it takes the radio out of whatever mode you 
> have and it drops the use of the antenna for anything other than the 
> analyzer.  Expected and understandable, however.  No problem with that.
>
>
>
> It now has the ability to set Static Routes.  It's about time!  I will be 
> playing with that little feature, off network of course, for the next couple 
> of days.
>
>
>
> And I can now manually set the time zone and date.  I would have thought that 
> to be a no brainer from the get go but it's finally included.
>
>
>
> Still waiting for VPN functions.  I can always dream.
>
>
>
> Anyone trying it?  Let me know if you find any issues, I'm waiting for a bit 
> to see what shakes out before I jump in 100%.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Philip Dorr]

You could use APRS weather stations nearby your tower or even put up your own.

http://aprs.fi/

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Ryan Ghering  wrote:
> We have a setup for this. I use a "carpc"
> http://www.mini-box.com The VoomPC-2-Car-PC is the one we use currently.
> Put debian linux on it, with a davis weather station and usb link. Then I
> have a perl script that collects data from the weather station, and have
> SNMP running to gather other data from each site. Has Cacti running on them
> for data collection and well as syslog. Each "carpc" has an 80 gig HD and
> gig of ram.I have a few that have 802.11 cards or USB sticks on them for
> some basic stuff like freq monitoring etc.. All done with linux.. Best of
> all its 12 volt and these work well in harsher environments.
>
> Thanks
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
>
>> This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
>> sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
>> would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
>> The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
>> possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
>> historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
>> the environment for which their network is operating in.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
>>
>> > I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
>> > each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
>> location.
>> > How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
>> > Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

[Philip Dorr]

Actually it is a Ubiquti radio and the power supply does not need to
be 48 volts, 9-48 works fine for the Gateworks board (Avila GW2348-2).
 We had moisture get in the ethernet jack and burn the pins when it
was using 48 volts, so we switched to a Ubiquti 15 volt adapter and
have not had any problems yet.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Cole  wrote:
> I would steer well clear of that UBNT bridge for something as critical
> as you describe.  At the price point it just screams disaster.
>
> I've not used the Ligowave MIMO radios however I have used the LigoPTP 5-N
> and I was a little disappointed.  The lack of QoS is a definite negative.
>
> We had one of the endpoints on the link burn out and die within 2 months.
>
> I also had major problems with the encryption on them, which support
> never seemed to be able to resolve.    When they try to link up,
> it could take like a minute and other times it might take 20 minutes
> before the link establishes with encryption on.  Unacceptable in
> a carrier network.
>
> They do however perform at the advertised 70Mbps real world throughput
> in a 40MHz channel and the PPS performance is good.
>
> If you crack open the 5-N you actually see it has a Mikrotik badged
> radio in it.
>
> I have a pair of Proxim Tsunami QB-8100 bridges on the way for
> testing.  I didn't get much feedback from the list about how these
> go, but having looked through the manual, they seem extremely
> configurable and excellent QoS features; they even have the ability
> to inspect the contents of PPPoE frames and match on the IP packet
> inside.   I will let you know how they turn out.
>
> Pat
>
> Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:45:23AM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
>
>
>> OK I just got off the phone with a salesman that was discouraging me away 
>> from UBNT rockets for this link. I will be running 4 towers through this 
>> link with 270 clients.  His concern was that they had learned of a 20,000 
>> packet per sec limit compared to Ligowave @ 75,000 packets.  Now I am 
>> looking at going to VOIP and the Packet count is going to be huge.  Is this 
>> a legit concern. How can you find Rocket Packet ability.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Philip Dorr]

Probably 2.5GHz.  2.5MHz should/would go hundreds (if not thousands)
of miles at 100 watts.

A local 145.12MHz amateur repeater that uses 50 watts and a omni
reaches ~100 miles away (to a 1/4 wave car mounted antenna), and
probably further with a directional on the client/mobile/station.  And
there are HF QRP people that use low power (10W or lower) and still
makes long distant contacts.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> 2.5GHz or MHz?
>
> On Apr 4, 2010, at 5:06 PM, RickG wrote:
>
>> Back in the late 90's when I was running an MMDS operation on 2.5MHz,
>> we used a 100 watt system. We had customers more than 30 miles away
>> with multi-megabit connections. Give me power!
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>> 20 watt radio's? Going into lets say a 6db antenna? Your looking at 80
>>> watts. Is this really necessary?
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
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>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Ryan Spott
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>>>
>>> This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio.
>>>
>>> We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly)
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>>
 The 20 watt power output request. Is this for total ERP or at the radio?

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
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 419-562-6405
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

 Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
 Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of
 Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
 to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.

 The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
 Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
 Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.

 All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all
 feel that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take
 favorable action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace
 rules by making corrections to several problem areas, thereby making
 WISP use of the Whitespaces more practical and more successful.

 I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
 written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
 with the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required
 to be part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation,
 please rotate the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader
 viewer.

 Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.

 Respectfully Submitted,

 Jack Unger
 WISPA FCC Committee Chair
 818-227-4220

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Re: [WISPA] Bit Cap Thresholds, etc

[Philip Dorr]

Even at 56Kbps, if a client was using all of their bandwidth 24/7 they
could do ~15GB in a 30 day month.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:02 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Marlon,
>
> Out of curiosity, do you know your total capacity available to each of
> your subs? Can they ALL actually get 10gigs/month if they ALL tried to
> do it? To be honest, I have not taken the time to figure out this
> number for my network which is part of the reason I shy away from
> going to by the bit pricing even though I've been a long proponent of
> it.
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
> wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jason Wallace" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Bit Cap Thresholds, etc
>>
>>
>>>I have a few questions for those of you who sell bandwidth by the byte:
>>>
>>> 1. What is the threshold you use, ie, 3Gb in 30 days, or do you have
>>> different packages?
>>
>> 10 gigs per month for wireless.  20 gigs for fiber customers.
>>
>> Business users that pay more get more.  However, the ones that insist on
>> allowing radio on the computers etc. usually end up paying even more yet.
>> We try to set a level above what they use in a normal month then cut them a
>> little bit of a break on the normal billing amount.
>>
>>> 2. Is this total bytes in & out or just in?
>>
>> Total.  Combined.  WE pay for it both ways.
>>
>>> 3. What do you charge for overages?
>>
>> $5 per gig.  If they go over by more than 10 gigs we'll normally work to cut
>> them some kind of a break.  Again, the expectation is that it's got to more
>> than pay for the additional costs.
>>
>> Don't forget the costs of AP wide slowdowns for everyone else.  If that
>> starts to happen and you loose the "easy" customers you have to add ap's to
>> the tower.  That costs both money AND spectrum.
>>
>> We've started an overbuild with additional bands for our heavy sites.  We
>> charge more for the install and the service, but that gives the gamers/high
>> end customers someplace to go.  AND we make SURE that service from that
>> system is the BEST in the area we're in.
>>
>>> 4. Have you considered just throttling back customers like the satellite
>>> guys do?
>>
>> Yeah.  But there is no money in that.
>>
>> It's also not what our service is based upon.  Our service runs as fast as
>> we can make it go.  Up to 10 mbps in both directions for as little as $35
>> per month.  Those who pay more are paying for reliability not speed.
>>
>> The other thing to think about is human nature.  People do what people do.
>> To them, by and large, if they want to download a 100 meg windows update
>> they will do it no matter what.  If they want a 700meg WOW demo, they'll go
>> get it.  If you slow them down they'll "use" the system much longer.
>>
>> So instead of getting them on and off the air in, oh say 10 minutes, they
>> might be there for 2 hours.  The chances of another high capacity project
>> happening on the network go up a LOT when the users are "on the air" for a
>> longer period of time.
>>
>> make sense?
>> marlon
>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

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to find some other hamfests you can use http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, RickG  wrote:
> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
> May. Anyone else going?
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Using the 2nd port on a PS2?

[Philip Dorr]

The secondary port on the PS2 is just another ethernet port, it does
not have any POE (in or out, AFAIK).  You can use it to align the
antenna better using a netbook and the web UI alignment tool.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> Has anyone found anything useful to do with the 2nd port on a PS2? I'm 
> finding very little information on that port on the 'net. Does it share the 
> PS2's POE?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Philip Dorr]

Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
> not first taken?
>
> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>
>
> Im with you MDK
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>
>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>
>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>> fingers on
>> ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>> expensive,
>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>> know
>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>
>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>> is not
>> a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely
>> everything
>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
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>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>>
>>>
>>> >> >
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

[Philip Dorr]

We use two fiber transceivers and a jumper on our ethernet when we
want to have electrical isolation.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I've seen a telephone (copper pair) optoisolator which had a short piece of 
> fiberoptic cable inside. Each circuit on both sides of the cable had their 
> own highly isolated power supplies. This was the only thing that worked in 
> the Amazon region to stop phone equipment from getting wiped out during the 
> intense electrical storms. The beauty of this device was it didn't require a 
> first class ground system to work, in fact it didn't require any ground. A 
> ground would just present up a difference in potential between the phone line 
> and ground and encourage destruction. The telco side of this thing would just 
> float at what ever potential the telco's lines were presenting and the on 
> site equipment on the other side of this thing never saw that potential. Has 
> anyone seen such a thing for Ethernet?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Protecting Radio Equiment from Coronal Mass Ejections

[Philip Dorr]

A CME will/should only affect objects larger than ~20 meters. It may
not effect the equipment, and the tower should already be grounded.

The only way to preotect the equipment diffrently, would be taking it
off of the tower.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:32 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:
> Sorry for the Scifi thread but we know that this has happened in the past
> when we had very few birds in the air and were not as dependent on this
> equipment.
>
> Since we are now witnessing the Sun going into a Solar Maximum and some
> amazing filaments that NASA seems to be concerned about, I have a question
> about protecting radio equipment.
>
> I recently saw a video of a fellow protecting his vehicle by removing the
> battery and bolting both the +/- cables together grounding the vehicle.
>
> Is there a way to ground a tower and equipment attached to the tower this
> way?
> Of course a big faraday cage is what we would need...lol, but that is not
> too rational.
> Is there a way to create some sort of drop dead switch to protect the gear?
>
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Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

[Philip Dorr]

My brother got on my email!  I need to log out/lock the computer when
I step away.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Philip,
>
> I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic with your comment to
> "vote them out of life" but IMO your comment is both ridiculous and
> irresponsible. I ask that you try to contribute in a more responsible
> fashion to this list.
>
> jack
>
>
> Philip Dorr wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch 
> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>
>
>
> And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband
> available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not
> done it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one
> provider in a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we
> need to vote every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks!
>
>
> They just get replaced by someone else who does the same thing for
> essentially the same reasons (ie, our political system doesn't reward them
> for taking care of folks like us, essentially). So what's the point of
> bothering to vote them out of office?
>
>
> Instead we should vote them and the companies that pay them out of life.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: RickG 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500
>
>
>
> As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete with
> me.
> As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant
> afford all this?
> -RickG
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
>
>
> FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund
> AP
>
>
> By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology
> Writer – Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET
>
> WASHINGTON – Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet
> connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government
> program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas.
>
> The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to
> revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan
> due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been
> expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid
> details.
>
> The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program
> over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of
> the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The
> proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal
> Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand
> the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks.
>
> "It's time to migrate this 20th-century program," said Blair Levin,
> the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by
> last year's stimulus bill. "We need to move the current system from
> the traditional networks to the new networks."
>
> The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all
> Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program
> subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in
> schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural
> health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service
> to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is
> uneconomical for the private companies to build networks.
>
> Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that
> businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That
> revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under
> mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize
> broadband.
>
> The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the
> proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no
> additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the
> construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time
> injection of $9 billion.
>
> Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual
> size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from
> subsidies now used for voice services.
>
> The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one
> broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have
> complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with
> new networks considered duplicative.
>
> Levin said

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Philip Dorr]

APC Makes Serial cables for their UPSs.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB
> port.  No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS.  
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM
> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
>
> On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>> I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a
>> routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram.
>> I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules,
>> 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I
>> have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem
>> averages around 50 Meg.
>
> If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new,
> not, yet available, RB1100.
>
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Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

[Philip Dorr]

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:
>
> On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>
>>
>> And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband 
>> available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not 
>> done it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one 
>> provider in a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we 
>> need to vote every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks!
>
> They just get replaced by someone else who does the same thing for 
> essentially the same reasons (ie, our political system doesn't reward them 
> for taking care of folks like us, essentially). So what's the point of 
> bothering to vote them out of office?

Instead we should vote them and the companies that pay them out of life.

>
> Chuck
>
>
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: RickG 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500
>>
>>> As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete 
>>> with me.
>>> As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant
>>> afford all this?
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
 FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund
 AP


 By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology
 Writer – Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET

 WASHINGTON – Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet
 connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government
 program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas.

 The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to
 revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan
 due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been
 expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid
 details.

 The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program
 over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of
 the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The
 proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal
 Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand
 the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks.

 "It's time to migrate this 20th-century program," said Blair Levin,
 the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by
 last year's stimulus bill. "We need to move the current system from
 the traditional networks to the new networks."

 The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all
 Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program
 subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in
 schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural
 health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service
 to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is
 uneconomical for the private companies to build networks.

 Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that
 businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That
 revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under
 mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize
 broadband.

 The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the
 proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no
 additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the
 construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time
 injection of $9 billion.

 Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual
 size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from
 subsidies now used for voice services.

 The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one
 broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have
 complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with
 new networks considered duplicative.

 Levin said Connect America would not favor one technology over
 another, be it cable, DSL or wireless.

 The FCC proposal also envisions revamping the multibillion-dollar
 "intercarrier compensation" system, the Byzantine menu of charges that
 telecom carriers pay to access each other's networks and connect
 calls. Any changes to the Universal Service Fund would also require
 changes to intercarrier compensation because rural phone companies
 tend to rely heavily on both funding sources.

 The FCC's latest proposals will be part of a sweeping national roadmap
 for bringing universal, affordable broadband connections to all
 Americans

Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Philip Dorr]

One of the comments in the thread for that post said that the sysadmin
did not ignore the hostages, he left them so that they did not cause
problems.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the
> sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of
> darkness and your cat blog's servers.
>
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> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost asking to win a Darwin award.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> My other favorite picture is when someone puts a ladder in a bucket,
> elevates it then climbs further... truly Darwinian..
>
> On 3/3/2010 6:50 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> OK...  I think this is self explanatory.
>>
>> I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon
>> anywhere  ROFLOL!
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Philip Dorr]

Do you know the test strength of the rope?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
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> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

Me...

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Who looks at the sticker on an installed router :(
>
> On 3/2/10, Philip Dorr  wrote:
>> it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs
>>
>> Example for a 5 port Routerboard
>> 00:0C:42:13:02:B7
>> ...
>> 00:0C:42:13:02:BB
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>> But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>>>
>>>> on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>>> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already
>>>>> overwrote it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> export to file
>>>>>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original
>>>>>> import from file
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
>>>>>>> question many times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and
>>>>>>>>>> sets
>>>>>>>>>> it on the new device.  You can just delete the
>>>>>>>>>> MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
>>>>>>>>>> WordPad, save the file and then import it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue?
>>>>>>>>>>> That way
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> x86
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86
>>>>>>>>>>>> /ip route export file=iprout86
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /import file=iproute86.rsc
>>>>>>>>>>>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 4

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs

Example for a 5 port Routerboard
00:0C:42:13:02:B7
...
00:0C:42:13:02:BB


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address?
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>
>> on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
>>> overwrote it?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>>>
>>>> export to file
>>>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original
>>>> import from file
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
>>>>> question many times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>>>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
>>>>>>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and 
>>>>>>>> sets
>>>>>>>> it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
>>>>>>>> WordPad, save the file and then import it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That 
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
>>>>>>>>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
>>>>>>>>> x86
>>>>>>>>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86
>>>>>>>>>> /ip route export file=iprout86
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /import file=iproute86.rsc
>>>>>>>>>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>> that counts.”
>>>>>>>>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
> overwrote it?
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>
>> export to file
>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original
>> import from file
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
>>> question many times.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
>>>
>>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
>>>>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
>>>>>> Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
>>>>>> it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
>>>>>> WordPad, save the file and then import it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>>>>>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
>>>>>>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
>>>>>>> x86
>>>>>>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes there is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86
>>>>>>>> /ip route export file=iprout86
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /import file=iproute86.rsc
>>>>>>>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>> that counts.”
>>>>>>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a
>>>>>>>>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
>>>>>>>>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> take a more

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

export to file
edit the file and change the MAC to the original
import from file

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
> question many times.
>
> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
>
> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
>>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>>>
>>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
 Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
 it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
 WordPad, save the file and then import it.

 Greg Ihnen wrote:
> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
> it
> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
> x86
> hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
>
> Thanks!
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> Yes there is
>>
>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86
>> /ip route export file=iprout86
>>
>> Then...
>>
>> /import file=iproute86.rsc
>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> continue
>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
>>> world.
>>>
>>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
>>> me
>>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
>>> the
>>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a
>>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
>>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
>>> that
>>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
>>> it
>>> all
>>> works.
>>>
>>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
>>> then
>>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if
>>> I
>>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load
>>> that
>>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
>>> work!
>>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't
>>> know
>>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just
>>> have
>>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.
>>>
>>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
>>> RB750.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all who replied.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Did you set the correct default route on the 750?

 Greg Ihnen wrote:

> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The
>
>>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port
>>> (Eth1
>>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't
>>> access
>>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem
>>> but
>>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea
>>> what
>>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have
>>> at
>>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on
>>> Eth1,
>>> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but
>>> nothing beyond it.
>>>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- but not forWISP's that's for sure.

[Philip Dorr]

What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space?

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK  wrote:
> Yup.   "Auction" = "huge dollars", the kind none of us have.
>
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> Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
> forWISP's that's for sure.
>
>> This plan also looks real bad for white spaces ---
>>
>> 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless
>>
>>     By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward
>>
>> WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national
>> broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next
>> decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet
>> access will be key to making America more technologically competitive.
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

 availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly
>>> when
>>> a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or
>>> thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't
>>> mind
>>> to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version
>>> is
>>> available as well.
>>>
>>> So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to
>>> totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay
>>> you
>>> to get access to data what they access is after all really not your
>>> responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they
>>> have good access and get what they pay for which means control and
>>> maintain
>>> network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is
>>> good
>>> for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially
>>> when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to
>>> step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
>>> especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and
>>> very
>>> upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it
>>> in
>>> a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign
>>> it
>>> but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
>>> waters.
>>> I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle
>>> it
>>> and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
>>> shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data
>>> transfers
>>> is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
>>> fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
>>> things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
>>> available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
>>> happy.
>>>
>>> / Eje
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
>>>
>>> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
>>> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
>>> that needs to be supported.
>>>
>>> Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
>>> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors
>>>
>>> MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.
>>>
>>> *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.
>>>
>>> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask,
>>> without
>>> answer, for other examples.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
>>>>
>>>> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
>>>> the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
>>>> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
>>>> APs.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
>>>> > under oath saying you torrented?
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2/14/10, Robert West  wrote:
>>>> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But
>>>> >> "allowing"
>>>> >> means no 24 hour downloading.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via
>>>> >> torrent.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bob-
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
&g

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

gt;>>
>>> Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically
>>> to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly
>>> when
>>> a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or
>>> thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't
>> mind
>>> to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version
>> is
>>> available as well.
>>>
>>> So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to
>>> totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay
>> you
>>> to get access to data what they access is after all really not your
>>> responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they
>>> have good access and get what they pay for which means control and
>> maintain
>>> network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is
>>> good
>>> for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially
>>> when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to
>>> step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
>>> especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and
>> very
>>> upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it
>>> in
>>> a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign
>>> it
>>> but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
>>> waters.
>>> I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle
>>> it
>>> and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
>>> shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data
>>> transfers
>>> is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
>>> fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
>>> things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
>>> available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
>>> happy.
>>>
>>> / Eje
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
>>>
>>> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
>>> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
>>> that needs to be supported.
>>>
>>> Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
>>> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors
>>>
>>> MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.
>>>
>>> *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.
>>>
>>> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask,
>>> without
>>> answer, for other examples.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
>>> >
>>> > We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
>>> > the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
>>> > sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
>>> > APs.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
>>> >  wrote:
>>> > > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
>>> > > under oath saying you torrented?
>>> > >
>>> > > On 2/14/10, Robert West  wrote:
>>> > >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But
>>> "allowing"
>>> > >> means no 24 hour downloading.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via
>>> torrent.
>>> > >>
>>&

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

I also get TV shows from the UK and anime, with English subtitles, a
couple of days after it airs in Japan.

The reason I get My Linux ISOs via bittorrent, is that I get them on
release day and the HTTP/FTP servers go down.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
> majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
> that needs to be supported.
>
> Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
> http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors
>
> MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.
>
> *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.
>
> These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, without
> answer, for other examples.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
> wrote:
>
>> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
>>
>> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
>> the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
>> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
>> APs.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
>> > under oath saying you torrented?
>> >
>> > On 2/14/10, Robert West  wrote:
>> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But "allowing"
>> >> means no 24 hour downloading.
>> >>
>> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.
>> >>
>> >> Bob-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of RickG
>> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
>> >>
>> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
>> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
>> >> being over
>> >>  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
>> >> -RickG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.

We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
APs.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
> under oath saying you torrented?
>
> On 2/14/10, Robert West  wrote:
>> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But "allowing"
>> means no 24 hour downloading.
>>
>> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
>>
>> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
>> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
>> being over
>>  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
>> -RickG
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Philip Dorr]

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/2217239/Windows-Patch-Leaves-Many-XP-Users-With-Blue-Screens

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation.  boot rfrom cd into
> repair consol and roll things back a week
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
> our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
> safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
> computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.
> Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but
> a windows reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: is Google our next competitor?

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my installation kit.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> It is official
>
> Google has already started !
>
> As shown on the official Google TISP website:
>
>
>
> Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
>
> Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
> installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> spindle, wireless router and installation CD.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/tisp/
>
> One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

[Philip Dorr]

Only a half hour drive for me to KC, so I am in. :-)

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Sounds like a road trip.  Weekend party with Eje in KC.
>
> Who's with me?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
> Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the
> fun of meeting up with you guys.
>
> / Eje
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
> To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
> I feel as if I could have written that same post.  I'm much
> saddened.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
> I like Ham  Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City.
>
> Pulled pork is my favorite!
>
> :-)
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
> I would love for it to be during HAM.
>
> Right around the corner from me.
>
> On 2/3/10, Robert West  wrote:
>> Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..
>>
>> I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
>> large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so
> much
>> I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
>> town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort
> of
>> towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
>> get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
>> bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more
> people
>> without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
>> would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us
> WISP
>> operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
>> course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Anyway, just an idea.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>>
>> All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.
>>
>> I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
>> putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
>> process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
>> show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
>> potential as a fund raiser.
>>
>> What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
>> put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
>> then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
>> up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
>> now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
>> day.
>>
>> Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
>> to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
>> that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
>> business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
>> that our members would all like to go to.    They are going to do it on
>> a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
>> WISPAs message beyond our own little community.    Those are strong
>> positives.
>>
>> Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
>> the project.    Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.    We
>> will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
>> really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
>> far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
>> staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
>> more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
>> on our own.
>>
>> All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" so
>> that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
>> happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
>> get a sho