RE: [WSG] Site check please

[David Hucklesby]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:31:30 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:
>> Without even trying to be "obsessive compulsive" I can report that there
>> is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap.
>
> Would you be able to post a link to the form in question?
>

The link is the one you gave. I did not go further.

Cordially,
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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[Taco Fleur]

> Without even trying to be "obsessive compulsive" I can report that there
is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap.

Would you be able to post a link to the form in question?

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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[Taco Fleur]

Thanks.

> It is a little difficult to read. 
Can you elaborate on the above? 

> The fonts scale well. The overall look is nice. But color on color is
sometimes a difficult trick to pull off.

> Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page:


What's the size of the font, and what screen size?

Cheers



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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[David Laakso]

Taco Fleur wrote:

Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :)
www.clickfind.com.au 

  



It is a little difficult to read. The fonts scale well. The overall look 
is nice. But color on color is sometimes a difficult trick to pull off.


Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page:


Best,
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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[David Hucklesby]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:
>
> Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check 
> our new
> site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au
>
Without even trying to be "obsessive compulsive" I can report that
there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several
of them wrap.

FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI,
so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger
than at 96 DPI.

Cordially,
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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[David Hucklesby]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:
>
> Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check 
> our new
> site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au
>
Without even trying to be "obsessive compulsive" I can report that
there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several
of them wrap.

FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI,
so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger
than at 96 DPI.

Cordially,
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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[Taco Fleur]

Hmm, seems like the DNS has not delegated yet, it was supposed to redirect
to http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777  

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Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au 



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

[Taco Fleur]

Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :)
www.clickfind.com.au 



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Re: [WSG] site check please

[Tee G. Peng]

Hi Jermayn, I notice the left and right columns white background  
colors (or image) are overlapping the 'g-background.jpg'.


You either need to may transparent color for left/right column or if  
background images are used, use nee to  make them narrower or maybe  
add z-index properties.


Small detail that doesn't interfer with website's function but IMHO  
this is what  differential good and best web deisgners :).


Also, the two columns collapse with two fontsize enlarge - this one  
really put me off because I always need to enlarge at least two time  
of fontsize for many sites I visit.


tee


On Jun 18, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote:


Hi folks,
just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following  
website

for any major errors, suggestions etc

The one thing that has given me major trouble is aligning the columns
the same over browsers (I am sure I have a few gray hairs from  
that), so

unless its horriable wrong, I am not going to worry about it, unless
someone knows a fix.





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Re: [WSG] site check please

[David Laakso]

Jermayn Parker wrote:

just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following website
for any major errors, suggestions etc

http://www.phillipwrayracing.com

  


It is a little slow to load. I regret that font-scaling drops the floats 
and/or breaks the layout.

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RE: [WSG] site check please

[Alex James]

> http://www.phillipwrayracing.com

XHTML error - img tag has been opened but not closed & add alt
attributes to those images.

Other than that nice!

Thanks,
Al


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RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

Thanks for your response, however,
 I wish I understood what you both meant by this, but I don't.
Min max width where/how?

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http://web-strategists.com:888

Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png
transparency for the floating logo.

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp


-best
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

Aah I see, I did have a default set but redefined it in other style sheets
and forgot to set the background. Cheers.

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> http://web-strategists.com:888

You've got a transparent background-color set somewhere as all of the white
space on the sides of the content and under the footer is currently browser
default (mine is set to pink so I can see sites that aren't defining
background-colors!).  This prob isn't much of a problem but everyone should
be aware that people might have changed their browser default and it'll make
your site look bad.

Nice site though :-)

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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[kevin mcmonagle]

http://web-strategists.com:888

Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png 
transparency for the floating logo.


http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp


-best
kvn



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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Ben Dodson]

http://web-strategists.com:888


You've got a transparent background-color set somewhere as all of the
white space on the sides of the content and under the footer is
currently browser default (mine is set to pink so I can see sites that
aren't defining background-colors!).  This prob isn't much of a
problem but everyone should be aware that people might have changed
their browser default and it'll make your site look bad.

Nice site though :-)

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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Taco Fleur wrote:

http://web-strategists.com:888


Could do with suitable 'min-width' and 'max-width'.

Not well prepared for regular 'minimum font size', or even for 'font
resizing' in IE/win.

Also, I get the "off-screen" text for the "click here to start selling"
in at the left side on really wide windows.

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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Open Vision]

Personally I think the header is too large. Other than that a really nice 
site.


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For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even
though I created a new message from scratch.

Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

http://web-strategists.com:888

Thanks in advance...

Taco Fleur
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Kepler Gelotte]

Hi Taco,

I would suggest using a percentage to size the text in the yellow band
instead of "smaller" since IE has a different idea of what smaller is
compared to Firefox:

p span.smaller {
font-size: 80%;
}

I would also suggest using em sizing. The height of the yellow band would
then resize along with the text:

#frm_s {
position: absolute;
top: 41px;
width: 100%;
height: 3em;
border-top: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #fc0;
background: url(/_resource/image/mn_shadow.gif) #fc0 bottom
no-repeat;
}

Basically anything you want to resize when he font size is changed can be
sized using ems. At font-size: 100%, 1em = 16px. At font-size: 62.5%, 1em =
10px.

I would also suggest having the second row of divs (box1, box2, box3)
contained within the divs sellstuff, buystuff, mystuff and position them at
the bottom. 

Regards,
Kepler

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Hi Felix thanks for the effort.

A solution to the problem would be great as well ;-) Min-height doesn't work
in all browsers which would be the best solution I guess.

Any ideas on why the purple background while it should be white, or is that
just your screenshot?

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[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]

On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:

> Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

> http://web-strategists.com:888

I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

No, its perfectly fine, its exactly what I was asking for.


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Taco,

Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or
anything.  I make my largest benchmark the "largest" setting on IE which is
the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox.

No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens
when you ask for a site check around here.

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
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/Custom Web Design & Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
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Taco Fleur wrote:
>  
> Thanks.
>
> How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, 
> as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)
>
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> On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
>
> Taco,
>
> Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:
>
> The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does 
> not expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes 
> the bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it 
> are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a 
> top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can 
> expand without breaking said shadow.
>
> That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 
> does the same thing FYI:
>
> http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif
>
> *Joseph R. B. Taylor*
> Sites by Joe, LLC
> /Custom Web Design & Development/
> Phone: (609) 335-3076
> www.sitesbyjoe.com <http://www.sitesbyjoe.com>
>
>
>
> Taco Fleur wrote:
>   
>> For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
>> even though I created a new message from scratch.
>>
>> Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?
>>
>> http://web-strategists.com:888
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Taco Fleur
>> www.pacificfox.com.au website design
>>
>>
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

 
Hi Felix thanks for the effort.

A solution to the problem would be great as well ;-) Min-height doesn't work
in all browsers which would be the best solution I guess.

Any ideas on why the purple background while it should be white, or is that
just your screenshot?

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[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]

On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:

> Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

> http://web-strategists.com:888

I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Joseph R. B. Taylor]

Taco,

Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or 
anything.  I make my largest benchmark the "largest" setting on IE which 
is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox.


No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens 
when you ask for a site check around here.


*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design & Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com <http://www.sitesbyjoe.com>



Taco Fleur wrote:
 
Thanks.


How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its
already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)

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Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design & Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com <http://www.sitesbyjoe.com>



Taco Fleur wrote:
  
For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
even though I created a new message from scratch.


Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

http://web-strategists.com:888

Thanks in advance...

Taco Fleur
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Felix Miata]

[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]

On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:

> Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

> http://web-strategists.com:888

I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
-- 
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

 
May I add that your suggestion would work.

However we'd have to deal with other issues like the new white space (bottom
of yellow to white gradient) that would appear from the font-increase etc.

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Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

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> Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?
>
> http://web-strategists.com:888
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> Thanks in advance...
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> www.pacificfox.com.au website design
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Taco Fleur]

 
Thanks.

How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its
already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)

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Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Joseph R. B. Taylor]

Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not 
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the 
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are 
one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a 
top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can 
expand without breaking said shadow.


That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does 
the same thing FYI:


http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design & Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com 



Taco Fleur wrote:

For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even
though I created a new message from scratch.

Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

http://web-strategists.com:888

Thanks in advance...

Taco Fleur
www.pacificfox.com.au website design





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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

[Susie Gardner-Brown]

I'm looking on a Mac in Firefox.

It all seems to hold together fine. My comments are more on the
design/layout side. The 'banner' area - to my mind it takes up way too much
real estate. It's pretty much half the screen. And there's too much white
space on the right side too I think.

Another thing - to me the footer looks as though it's lost its code because
it's the same fontsize etc as the rest of the content. I would make it a bit
smaller, to differentiate it a bit more from the content.

The content section looks great ... :)

Just my opinion ... :)

- susie



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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[~davidLaakso]

Elle Meredith wrote:


Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and 
let me know what you think?


Elle




I regret that it is showing right column float drop in ie/6.0.
Captures:

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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/05/02 09:15 (GMT+1100) Elle Meredith apparently typed:

> Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and  
> let me know what you think?

Once I zoom FF enough to read the #primary p content, the line length is
down to about 5-6 words, too narrow, while on the right side of my browser
window is a vast expanse of empty space. High resolution users can have a
more enjoyable experience if you reset your div widths to em from px, which
will keep a nice relationship between text size and line lengths.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/bbcSS.html

"em" should be removed from all your line-height rules.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/line-height-inherit.html shows why.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[Jermayn Parker]

Hi,
I really like the layout but there are a few things I will arise that got my
attention.

Text too small and the "about us" goes to a second line (would be better as
one line)

apart from that well done...



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Hi,

Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and
let me know what you think?

I also have a problem with the top div#access links that I don't know
why just don't work (skip and site info).

TIA,
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[Nick Gleitzman]

Elle Meredith wrote:

Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and 
let me know what you think?


I also have a problem with the top div#access links that I don't know 
why just don't work (skip and site info).


Elle, your css declares div#access as position:absolute, and your html 
has div#access marked up as a child of , not of div#wrapper. So 
div#access is taken out of flow, then div#wrapper is the first element 
in flow - and it covers div#access.


Move div#access inside div#wrapper and the links are accessible to the 
cursor.


Or if the order of your marup is important, add a positive z-index 
value to div#access via the css and move it up to the top of the stack.


BTW, you do know your dropdowns don't work in IE/Win, don't you?

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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[Cameron Singe]

I like the colours, not a bad design.
What I would suggest is reducing the text on the main page, there is to much
information in the main section.
Users will rarely all the words on a page, so trying to get to much
information across is pointless.
Also it forces scrolling which is not the best of ideas and should be kept
to to a minimum.

Hope this helps, overall reduce the main text and you have your self a very
nice clean looking site

Cheers,
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On 5/2/07, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Its nice, maybe the leadings a bit extreme. If you crank the line-height
down you might get all the navigation elements on the right hand showing
up without the need to scrool down to them. hth


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> Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and
> let me know what you think?
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> why just don't work (skip and site info).
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

[kevin mcmonagle]

Its nice, maybe the leadings a bit extreme. If you crank the line-height 
down you might get all the navigation elements on the right hand showing 
up without the need to scrool down to them. hth



Elle Meredith wrote:

Hi,

Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and 
let me know what you think?


I also have a problem with the top div#access links that I don't know 
why just don't work (skip and site info).


TIA,
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)

[Soeren Mordhorst]

I am still in learning-process but in my opinion your site is excellent!
Just test your site for example at ' http://www.sidar.org '. This 
validator found some problems.

What I miss is a 'skip to main content' and accesskeys.
With ff the text from the main-content overlapps the footer by using the 
zoom-function

in some sites, e. g. http://dev5.headclerk.net/about.htm.

Best wishes

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)

[standards]

Thank you Justin! I've begun the process of fixing those errors.

Respectfully,
Mario

> Mario,
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> Some of your CSS does not validate.
>
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdev5.headclerk.net%2F
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> My only major issue with the design is the "Upcoming Training"
> background. There is not enough contrast between the type and the
> background for someone of low vision.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)

[kvnmcwebn]

sorry please disregard that last observation i made about your footer 
breaking. i had another style sheet loaded into the page by accident 
looks good 



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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)

[kvnmcwebn]

did you test it in firefox yet?
In ff your footer seems to break way out of the wrapper.
-best 
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)

[Justin Owens]

Mario,

Some of your CSS does not validate.

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdev5.headclerk.net%2F

My only major issue with the design is the "Upcoming Training"
background. There is not enough contrast between the type and the
background for someone of low vision.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

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On 12/22/05, Jay Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site
> (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/).

On this page: http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/renovations/

the last photo is overlapped by the text above it in Mozilla 1.7 /
Win. Not sure what it is but looks like a float problem?
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

[Felix Miata]

Jay Gilmore wrote:
 
> I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site
> (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/). Nearly complete and
> just requires copywriting completion.
 
> All opinions are welcome. If there are mistakes out of ignorance please
> point me to a reference for correction.

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Look at http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/line-height-inherit.html to
see how to fix your line-height problem. See
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/widths-em-v-px.html
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/fflinelength.html and
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/Sites/dlviolin.html for how to
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

[Jay Gilmore]

Kenny Graham (thoughtfully) wrote:

With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. 
I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a

similar background color along with the image.  That and a few things
like empty paragraph elements and stray  on some of the pages.
 

Thanks for that. I will be shortening the title for the "See What Our 
Clients Are Saying" heading but increasing the size of the background 
image is a great idea as well. Thanks. I know that there are some empty 
  elements as I am still placing copy. Just wanted to ask for 
opinions and suggestions at this stage.


Thanks for the help and all the best,

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[Kenny Graham]

> Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning:  If you ever
> decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break
> because of the content of your style elements.

Nevermind, it might not.  I've become so paranoid that I tend to
enclose any non-xml/html in cdata's because I serve as xml, but in
your case, I don't think it'd break.
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[Kenny Graham]

With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. 
I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a
similar background color along with the image.  That and a few things
like empty paragraph elements and stray  on some of the pages.

Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning:  If you ever
decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break
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RE: [WSG] Site Check please

[kvnmcwebn]

 

  kvnmcwebn,Are you talking about my site: http://www.smashingred.com or Joe's 
  site: http://www.sitesbyjoe.com 
  ? 
  sorry i meant joe not jay, 
   

Re: [WSG] Site Check please

[Jay Gilmore]

kvnmcwebn wrote:

  pretty cool jay,
what about the top links bottom border disapearing on the hover though?
-kvnmcwebn 
  

kvnmcwebn,

Are you talking about my site: http://www.smashingred.com or Joe's
site: http://www.sitesbyjoe.com ?

All the best,

Jay
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RE: [WSG] Site Check please

[kvnmcwebn]

pretty cool jay,
what about the top links bottom border disapearing on the hover though?
-kvnmcwebn 

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Re: [WSG] Site Check please

[Joseph R. B. Taylor]

The poor practices mostly come from this code being slowly updated since 
version 1, (which was really bad), hopefully in time all the "no-no's" 
will be removed.


I appreciate the time you spent looking in there and noticing that 
stuff, I forgot all about those stupid span tags all over the place, 
left behind from my various attempts to write my own CMS (which 
thankfully has gotten much better!)


Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com

Christian Montoya wrote:


On 12/12/05, Jay Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Joe, The site "looks" ok  but I have a few of comments:


Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or deprecated
attributes are you using that require this?
Why are you using "  for spacing? ...
Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should be
accomplished using an , , or  element? ...

Jay

BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I finish
my next few projects I will be revamping it.
   



Joe, what Jay said. The site is great but the markup is quirky. Please explain.

Well, almost everything Jay said. My site doesn't have these quirks,
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On 12/12/05, Jay Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Joe, The site "looks" ok  but I have a few of comments:
>
>
> Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or deprecated
> attributes are you using that require this?
> Why are you using "  for spacing? ...
> Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should be
> accomplished using an , , or  element? ...
>
>  Jay
>
>  BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I finish
> my next few projects I will be revamping it.

Joe, what Jay said. The site is great but the markup is quirky. Please explain.

Well, almost everything Jay said. My site doesn't have these quirks,
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Re: [WSG] Site Check please

[Jay Gilmore]

Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:
Guys and Gals, 

I have just switched my site to a fluid layout vs. the old 750 pixels
wide approach.  I have also changed all my font sizes to em's to adjust
as needed. 

Can people in mac and linux take a glance to make sure all is well for
me? 

Thanks, 

Joe Taylor 
http://sitesbyjoe.com


Joe, The site "looks" ok  but I have a few of comments:

  Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or
deprecated attributes are you using that require this?
  Why are you using "  for spacing?
There are ways to create white space etc. without using unsemantic
markup? How about adding the padding or margin to a class relating to
the content that requires the extra space before or after.
  Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should
be accomplished using an , , or  element?
Specifically, you are using a span to style the larger text of the
article titles. You are also using spans for the article date where you
could use the classes on paragraphs. 
  

All the best,

Jay

BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I
finish my next few projects I will be revamping it.


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[dwain]

Drake, Ted C. wrote:


Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is 
still

rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design.
You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
 


p.s. the page has a horizontal scroll at 800x600 in ff.

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Drake, Ted C. wrote:


Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is 
still

rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design.
You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
 


very nice.  i bookmarked the page.  i liked what you had to say.  very 
inspirational.  i'll have to go back again.  overall the design works 
for me, but borders on being too busy.


ff tells me that you have some js errors and warnings on the index page. 
  didn't check the other pages for that though.


do you live where you took the photos or are you a vagabond?

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Re: [WSG] site check please

[David Laakso]

Drake, Ted C. wrote:


Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is still
rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design. 


You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
 


Ted


www.tdrake.net


 

A different, and interesting concept, Ted. Difficult for me to read 
though, as the heavy underlined links punch holes in the flow of  the 
content text, and lack of lead between the stacked heads compounds the 
problem. If being cool is your goal, "Reading Design" 
 is how to go about it.

FWIW: Your layout breaks in text-size largest in IE.

Regards,
David Laakso







 




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Re: [WSG] site check please

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Re: http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html

 

I think a nice Georgia font would go down well
with that template.

 



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turning images off - RE: [WSG] site check please

[Drake, Ted C.]

Hi everyone

Georg brought up a great point.

The site design is completely illegible with images turned off. I have a
black background color set on the body and black text. I need to place a
white background on the content section to provide a readable area when the
images are disabled. 

I think this is a very valid point for site design and I thank you for
pointing it out. 

Thank you again for the comments, it will make my de-bugging this weekend
much more productive.

Ted


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Subject: Re: [WSG] site check please

Drake, Ted C. wrote:
> http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html

I really like the look of that one - but...

- Scrolling left isn't easy, so maybe try this adjustment:

body { padding-left: 95px;}
...tested in Opera, Firefox & IE6.
(I can even make it line up perfectly in Opera 8's 'fit to window width'
with this adjustment.}

Major flaw:
- Redefine font-size on body for IE/win. Using Ems triggers the 'extreme
font-steps bug' in IE. Makes the columns overlap on 'largest' and text
unreadable on 'smallest'. Use '%' instead.

- Minor flaw on a photographer's site maybe, but trying to read the
page with 'images off' is 'no good'.

- Search could do with something like:
#search {min-height: 4em; _height: 4em;}


Other minor points:
- A few pixels of the background-image showing at the very bottom.
- Footer weak for font-resizing since the background don't size with it.

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Re: [WSG] site check please

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Drake, Ted C. wrote:

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html


I really like the look of that one - but...

- Scrolling left isn't easy, so maybe try this adjustment:

body { padding-left: 95px;}
...tested in Opera, Firefox & IE6.
(I can even make it line up perfectly in Opera 8's 'fit to window width'
with this adjustment.}

Major flaw:
- Redefine font-size on body for IE/win. Using Ems triggers the 'extreme
font-steps bug' in IE. Makes the columns overlap on 'largest' and text
unreadable on 'smallest'. Use '%' instead.

- Minor flaw on a photographer's site maybe, but trying to read the
page with 'images off' is 'no good'.

- Search could do with something like:
#search {min-height: 4em; _height: 4em;}


Other minor points:
- A few pixels of the background-image showing at the very bottom.
- Footer weak for font-resizing since the background don't size with it.

regards
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RE: [WSG] site check please

[Collin Davis]

Ted,
I love the layout, the colors, the borders, that image on the left - very
nice!
One browser related issue - the left hand side search area is messed up in
Opera 8.01.
Regarding general critique, the only things I would mention would be:
1. the blockquote colors (black bg/white text) is a little harsh compared to
the rest of the color scheme.
2. typography: perhaps using serif or sIFR for headings (like the h2s that
are used for post titles)
3. the footer - my personal opinion would be that the footer links would
look better centered than left aligned - that's just me though :)

Very nice work,

Collin Davis
Web Architect
Stromberg Architectural Products
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To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: [WSG] site check please

Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is still
rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design. 

You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html

I was trying to keep it liquid but I've settled on a more static approach
and I will tell you now that I am sacrificing 800X600 monitors. They will
have to do some scrolling.  As a photographer, I wanted larger images in my
galleries and feel this is an appropriate sacrifice.

I'd appreciate comments on anything that looks broken, odd, messy, or
whatever.  I need to do some serious cleaning up on it this weekend and then
transforming it to a theme for Wordpress. 

Thanks

Ted
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[Jan Brasna]

BTW, what OS is Jaguar? (you can answer this off-list)
Mac OS X 10.2
I've checked with Safari v. 1.2.4 in OSX v.10.3.7 and it is working fine...
1.2.4 on 10.3.8 also fine
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[Thierry Koblentz]

tee wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> I think your page has issued with Safari (Jaguar), it shuts down the
> browser after 2 or 3 second of loading. I tested 4 times, same result.

Hi Tee,
I was going to reply off-list, but on the other hand I'd like to see someone
else using Jaguar to check the page.
Just to make sure the problem is related to the site itself.

BTW, what OS is Jaguar? (you can answer this off-list)
I've checked with Safari v. 1.2.4 in OSX v.10.3.7 and it is working fine...

Thanks for checking,
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[tee]

Hi Thierry, 

I think your page has issued with Safari (Jaguar), it shuts down the browser
after 2 or 3 second of loading. I tested 4 times, same result.

tee


> 
> Jan Brasna wrote:
>> Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1.
>> BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too...
> 
> Duh! LOL
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[Thierry Koblentz]

diona kidd wrote:
> I'm using FF 1.0.1 on Fedora 3 and the links are working for me. Which
> version/platform FF are you using?

I'm using v. 0.8 and 1.0.2 on WinXP
When you say "working", do you mean you can click on them and jump to the
anchors or that you can tab through all the links in the main section of the
page without skipping them? Because the former works, it is the latter that
doesn't.

Thanks for your feedback,
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[Thierry Koblentz]

Jan Brasna wrote:
> Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1.
> BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too...

Duh! LOL

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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[diona kidd]

I'm using FF 1.0.1 on Fedora 3 and the links are working for me. Which version/platform FF are you using?


On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 07:39 -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote:


Hi all,
I have a WAI-AAA icon at the bottom of the pages and I'd like to know if I
can leave it there or if I have a few more things to work on
:-)

I'm using "label" with all my "input" elements, but the one for the search
form at the top at the page. Does using the title attribute make it
"accessible enough" or do I "must" use label?

Also, I've put "skip table" links inside  (for people who
are not using pointing devices), but they are ignored by FF.
How come? Try to tab through the links on the page, you'll see that they are
skipped.

For the ones who'll check the markup: the few structural hacks are for NN4.

http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/uni/OrderForm.asp?cart=-

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Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce

[Jan Brasna]

I'm using "label" with all my "input" elements, but the one for the search
form at the top at the page. Does using the title attribute make it
"accessible enough" or do I "must" use label?
Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1.
BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too...
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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Hope Stewart]

On 30/4/05 12:31 AM, "Drake, Ted C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The top nav does bizarre things when you get off the index page. On one
> page, the tabs were replaced with underlined text, yet the dropdowns
> continued to work. When I went deeper, the navigation was missing entirely.

Thanks for your feedback Ted. This is a site I started working on well
before I had ever heard of web standards and table-less layouts. The site
has over 1,000 pages so far but will probably have over 5,000 plus a
database by the time I'm done.

My original table-based layout is weighed down by lots of javascript for
drop-down menus and this was only going to get worse. Instead of continuing
with this non-web-standards design, I decided that all new sections of the
site will be created using web standards. Eventually I will transfer all
current pages into this design as well. But at the moment, only pages in the
"world-u23-championships" directory
 have this new
design.

I'm presuming that the "bizarre things" you noticed were because you
navigated outside the "world-u23-championships" directory. If this is NOT
the case, please let me know!

Regards,
Hope

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RE: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Drake, Ted C.]

The top nav does bizarre things when you get off the index page. On one
page, the tabs were replaced with underlined text, yet the dropdowns
continued to work. When I went deeper, the navigation was missing entirely.

Ted


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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:29:27 -0400, Hope Stewart  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
  >So, I'd be very interested hear your comments.
> http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html
Quick look in XP_SP2 at 1280 in Opera8.0 of the above page only:
Seems fine on this end, although I  can't for the life of  me figure out  
what the b&w image is that appears to be a grasshopper?
> Regards,
> Hope Stewart
Regards,
~david
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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Hope Stewart]

On 29/4/05 1:30 PM, "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Seems fine on this end, although I  can't for the life of  me figure
>> out  what the b&w image is that appears to be a grasshopper?
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Haha - It's a grasshopper wearing a jail bird stripy outfit- haha..
> Actually, looks like people rowing - like they're supposed to be in
> motion. ( I think)

It's part of the sponsor's banner that I have no control over. David is
correct. It's an aerial view of two people in stripy singlets rowing. If you
are really keen  :-)  you can have a look at a larger version of the image
at the sponsor's site: http://www.sykes.com.au/_home.asp
which I will quickly add I have never had anything to do with.

I need to email their web developer to encourage him in the nicest way
possible to look into web standards (trying to bring this thread back on
topic) or at least to test the site in browsers other than just IE/win. It
does not work (ie no menu bar -- a fairly critical item) in Firefox/win/mac
and Safari. It does work in IE6/win and Opera/mac.

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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[David]

Seems fine on this end, although I  can't for the life of  me figure 
out  what the b&w image is that appears to be a grasshopper?


Haha - It's a grasshopper wearing a jail bird stripy outfit- haha..
Actually, looks like people rowing - like they're supposed to be in 
motion. ( I think)

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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[David Laakso]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:29:27 -0400, Hope Stewart  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
 >So, I'd be very interested hear your comments.
http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html
Quick look in XP_SP2 at 1280 in Opera8.0 of the above page only:
Seems fine on this end, although I  can't for the life of  me figure out  
what the b&w image is that appears to be a grasshopper?
Regards,
Hope Stewart
Regards,
~david


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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Hope Stewart]

On 28/4/05 8:46 PM, "Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The only thing I really don't like is that when you click a link the top
> menu disappears and the only way I can get it back is to click the Back
> button. (I'm using IE6)

If you click one of the links in the top green menu, it takes you to a
different section of the site where my old table-driven design is. Only this
World Under 23 Championships section has the new css design so far -- and
it's not officially online yet.

In this new section, I changed the old design by adding in the top green
menu with drop-downs, the Search form and, underneath the top green menu,
another drop-down menu for quick navigation within this section. If you
click just within this section, you'll see how these items are on each page.

All new sections will now have this format. Eventually, I'll convert the old
sections into this new design. (Actually, I'll probably get my 18-year-old
to do it. She's just "bumped" into a BMW and has an $1800 bill to pay. Ouch!
She'll be motivated!)

Thanks for your input.

Cheers,
Hope

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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Hope Stewart]

On 28/4/05 6:27 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2 errors in home page
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-
> championships/index.html

Thanks for this. Just goes to show that I need to validate EACH time I make
changes!

Cheers
Hope(less)

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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

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congrats, very nice design :)
2 errors in home page
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html
cheers
Daniel
http://www.gizax.it
Hope Stewart wrote:
I've been working on a huge site for over a year and it still has a long way
to go. Unfortunately, I had not heard about Web Standards until well after
starting this site, but it's never too late!
The latest section I'm about to add to the site is totally CSS and not a
table in sight, except for tabular data. And after several days of trying, I
finally got Suckerfish drop down menus to work. (Drop down menus are a
non-negotiable requirement of the client, as is the huge sponsor's logo at
the top of each page.)
It is very important that this site be accessible and last well into the
future -- unlike a commercial site, it is unlikely to get a major re-design
every few years. So, I'd be very interested hear your comments. The design
is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a graphic designer!
The new draft section (on the World Under 23 Rowing Championships) can be
found at:
http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html
Compare this to my original bandwidth-hungry, table-orientated layout:
http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/olympic-games/index.html
I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so would
be grateful if someone could have a look for me, particularly in regards to
the drop-downs.
The drop-downs do not work in IE5.2/mac, but each of the first level links
will go to a page containing all the links in the drop-downs. So,
accessibility is not reliant on the drop-downs.
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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Hope Stewart]

Thanks Thierry for your detailed reply! I've implemented all your
suggestions except the IE5/mac dropdowns -- I haven't had time to look at
the suggested link yet, but I will.

Regards,
Hope


On 28/4/05 2:27 PM, "Thierry Koblentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ope Stewart wrote:
>> comments. The design is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a
>> graphic designer!
> 
> It looks nice (I'd use a darker green for body though)
> I think you *need* to include a skipnav link.
> 
>> I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so
>> would be grateful if someone could have a look for me, particularly
>> in regards to the drop-downs.
> 
> IE5.1 and 5.5 Win:
> It looks really good in both versions, but the wrapper is not centered. For
> this, you'll need to use "text-align:center" in body and then
> "text-align:left" in #wrapper.
> As a side note, you can use "#00c" instead of "#cc" for your color
> declarations (format #aabbcc becomes #abc)
> For "margin:1.2em 0em 1.2em 0em" you can go shorthand like this
> "margin:1.2em 0" (a 0 is a zero, no matter what dimension you chose).
> 
>> The drop-downs do not work in IE5.2/mac, but each of the first level
> 
> This technique works in IE5 Mac:
> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/default.asp
> If you read the last page of this article ("pushing the envelope"), you'll
> see that it is also a bit better in term of accessibility (re: tabbing
> navigation and JS-challenged browsers)
> 
> Nice work, good luck with this project
> 
> HTH,
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Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History

[Thierry Koblentz]

Hope Stewart wrote:
> comments. The design is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a
> graphic designer!

It looks nice (I'd use a darker green for body though)
I think you *need* to include a skipnav link.

> I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so
> would be grateful if someone could have a look for me, particularly
> in regards to the drop-downs.

IE5.1 and 5.5 Win:
It looks really good in both versions, but the wrapper is not centered. For
this, you'll need to use "text-align:center" in body and then
"text-align:left" in #wrapper.
As a side note, you can use "#00c" instead of "#cc" for your color
declarations (format #aabbcc becomes #abc)
For "margin:1.2em 0em 1.2em 0em" you can go shorthand like this
"margin:1.2em 0" (a 0 is a zero, no matter what dimension you chose).

> The drop-downs do not work in IE5.2/mac, but each of the first level

This technique works in IE5 Mac:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/default.asp
If you read the last page of this article ("pushing the envelope"), you'll
see that it is also a bit better in term of accessibility (re: tabbing
navigation and JS-challenged browsers)

Nice work, good luck with this project

HTH,
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Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

[Kim Kruse]

You have some problems on PC/FF as well...
The "position:relative" on the footer produces the horizontal scrollbar 
on my PC. Furthermore something is wrong with your style sheet... I 
don't get the footer bg img and the arrows, green side bar etc.

BTW... what is this style doing?
* {
   padding:0;
   margin:0;
   border:0;
   }
Kim
David R wrote:
Mani Sheriar wrote:
Hi All,
I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
especially needed.
Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm 

On Firefox 1.0 Win32, I get a horizontal scrollbar untill I increase 
the browser window size beyond 1100 pixels wide

Renders fine in IE6 Win32.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

[David R]

Mani Sheriar wrote:
Hi All,
I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
especially needed.
Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm 
On Firefox 1.0 Win32, I get a horizontal scrollbar untill I increase the 
browser window size beyond 1100 pixels wide

Renders fine in IE6 Win32.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

[Marilyn Langfeld]

Looks fine in Mac Netscape 7.2 and Opera 7.54. Very small differences in Opera 6.03. The dashed underlines at bottom of page are black, not white, and the light grey bar on nav list at right only covers the type, not the whole bar. Really minor details.

Best regards,

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On Jan 3, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Mani Sheriar wrote:

Hi All,

I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
especially needed.

Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm 

THANK YOU!

(And, yes, I realize it's a bit cheesy ... but you should have seen the
logo I was given to work with and "stay as close to as possible")

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[Rick Faaberg]

On 1/3/05 5:42 PM "Mani Sheriar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

> I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
> especially needed.
> 
> Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm
> 

Superficially at least, looks fine on latest Safari. Same for Firefox. Same
for IE 5.2.x.

I didn't check any validation or accessibility stuff, having assumed you did
already. :-)

HTH

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Re: [WSG] site check please - an illustrated novel

[Will Jensen]

Bob,

Purely from the aesthetics level.

Drop the entire first page - or two - The very first one blinked on my screen for perhaps 3 seconds and was gone. The second was the spinning record. The main window - number three, is where I should land right off - no other pages between me and your main menu.

I suggest using the record in the main page (after dropping the first two pages). The record meaning is clear. As for the rear view mirror scene - I can understand it might be a visual reminder of the "reflective" character of the novel. Use it on a further page -perhaps on the "introduction" page instead of the animated pen-hand.

Overall - I really like the uncluttered appearance. Download was speedy - no hassle at all.

You may have a multitude of issues to contend with in the illustrated section. The disabilities act insists blind folks should have ready access. Have you thought that through yet? There are some previous discussions in the e-mail archives at WSG.

I went to the validator of w3c using XHTML transitional.

Here's the abbreviated error listing from the W3C validator for the 'record' page:

1.Line 32, column 179: there is no attribute "NAME"

2.Line 34, column 37: required attribute "TYPE" not specified

3.  	Line 41, column 40: required attribute "TYPE" not specified

4.  	Line 45, column 37: required attribute "TYPE" not specified

5.  	Line 48, column 17: document type does not allow element "NOSCRIPT" here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON" start-tag

6.  	Line 50, column 49: cannot generate system identifier for general entity "j"

7.  	Line 50, column 49: general entity "j" not defined and no default entity

8.  	Line 50, column 50: reference to entity "j" for which no system identifier could be generated

9.  	Line 50, column 48: entity was defined here

The validator then read: http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/openingpage/opening.html and lists 7 errors that focus on the 'content' section near bottom of the XHTML page code for the flash movie:

1.  	Line 82, column 19: there is no attribute "src"

2.  	Line 82, column 43: there is no attribute "quality"

3.  	Line 82, column 62: there is no attribute "pluginspage"

4.  	Line 82, column 113: there is no attribute "type"

5.  	Line 82, column 151: there is no attribute "width"

6.  	Line 82, column 164: there is no attribute "height"

7.  	Line 82, column 169: element "embed" undefined

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On Dec 8, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:

Hello,

My only beef with this site is you seem to have *two* splash pages. One is bad enough...

Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
mlinc.com




designer wrote:
Hi All,
I would be grateful for any and all feedback on a redesign I've done for a
site which presents an illustrated novel.  Some of it is a weeny bit hybrid,
but (a small amount of flash aside) it all validates as xhtml and
presentational matter is down to an absolute minimum.  I have not done
anything with the 'illustrations' section, as it needs a complete rewrite.
At the moment it can be seen at www.treyarnon.com - any helpful (or even
rude :-) comments welcome.
Thanks,
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[Tom Livingston]

Hello,
My only beef with this site is you seem to have *two* splash pages. One 
is bad enough...

Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
mlinc.com

designer wrote:
 Hi All,
I would be grateful for any and all feedback on a redesign I've done for a
site which presents an illustrated novel.  Some of it is a weeny bit hybrid,
but (a small amount of flash aside) it all validates as xhtml and
presentational matter is down to an absolute minimum.  I have not done
anything with the 'illustrations' section, as it needs a complete rewrite.
At the moment it can be seen at www.treyarnon.com - any helpful (or even
rude :-) comments welcome.
Thanks,
Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
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Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hmm... Any suggestions about how I could better do it so that it
stays put? I would have thought that absolute positioning with the
coordinates given in px would have been fairly static. :( I'm not
sure what else to try.
You are relative-positioning those links inside an absolute-positioned
ul. That's not stable enough.
I tested the following on your page:
#nav li, #nav li a {position: absolute; /* was relative */}
#nav #login {top: 54px;left: 69px;width: 60px;}
#nav #home {left: 37px;top: 87px;}
#nav #graphic {top: 130px;}
#nav #video {top: 174px;left: 15px;}
#nav #cdrom {top: 217px;left: 62px;}
#nav #photo {top: 256px;left: 85px;}
#nav #web {top: 287px;left: 131px;}
#nav #branding {top: 323px;left: 178px;}
#nav #contact { top: 374px;left: 250px;}
Opera, Firefox and IE6 landed on the same positions, regardless of
font-size and other variables. Just changed the top-values, and left the
finetuning to you.
I wouldn't be surprised if IE/Mac and Safari got it right also on these
values, but I can't test that.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Seona Bellamy]

Thanks. I'll pass those suggestions on to her, since the design is hers (I'm 
deliberately making this one "not my problem" - I have enough problems getting 
this site up and running...).

Anyone have any more suggestions about what to do about the glitching 
positioning in Mac browsers? I'm at a total loss.

Cheers,

Seona.

Quoting Jixor - Stephen I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Maybe add a slight outline/glow/etc effect to the menu items as they 
> don't stand out too well, especially when hovering. Also find a way of 
> reducing image size that doesn't result in noticeable grain.
> 
> Later
> 
> Seona Bellamy wrote:
> 
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at
> this
> >page and tell me if it's working right? My friend has looked at it on her
> >Mac and reported a few problems, but since her computer's been playing up
> >lately I want to check that there is actually a problem and not just her
> >system being weird. If you do see anything odd or not working, can you
> >please have a peep at the code and let me know what's causing it?
> >
> >Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated.
> >:)
> >
> >The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/
> >
> >CSS: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/main_styles.css
> >and  http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/classes.css
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[Jixor - Stephen I]

Maybe add a slight outline/glow/etc effect to the menu items as they 
don't stand out too well, especially when hovering. Also find a way of 
reducing image size that doesn't result in noticeable grain.

Later
Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hi guys,
Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at this
page and tell me if it's working right? My friend has looked at it on her
Mac and reported a few problems, but since her computer's been playing up
lately I want to check that there is actually a problem and not just her
system being weird. If you do see anything odd or not working, can you
please have a peep at the code and let me know what's causing it?
Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated.
:)
The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/
CSS: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/main_styles.css
and  http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/classes.css
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RE: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Seona Bellamy]

Would 
you please send me screenshots of these problems off-list? If I can at least see 
exactly what is happening, I might be able to fix it.
 
Email 
address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Thanks,
 
Seona.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marilyn 
  LangfeldSent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 9:08 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please 
  (especially Mac)I see problems in both. In Safari 
  1.2.3, the navigation buttons separate (seeming to move progressively to the 
  right), leaving funny white shapes where there should be a smooth grey 
  curve.In IE 5.2, the footer is in the middle of the page, overlaying 
  "One House Productions - is..."Looks good to me in Firefox 
  1.0.I'd love to make suggestions, but that will have to go to others 
  more advanced in CSS than I.Best 
  regards,Marilyn 
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RE: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Seona Bellamy]

Hmm... Any suggestions about how I could better do it so that it stays put?
I would have thought that absolute positioning with the coordinates given in
px would have been fairly static. :( I'm not sure what else to try.

Thanks for the compliment though. This is why I like working with a trained
graphic designer - she comes up with designs I'd never even dream of.
Conversely, it's why I don't like working with a trained graphic designer -
she comes up with designs that are a cow to build to. ;)

Cheers,

Seona.

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> 
> > Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be 
> appreciated.
> > :)
> > 
> > The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/
> 
> You should try a better positioning-method for that curved menu.
> The items leave the curved background-image and ends up all over the 
> place upon font-resizing in Opera, Firefox and IE6.
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> It looks really nice when everything is in place though.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Marilyn Langfeld]

I see problems in both. 

In Safari 1.2.3, the navigation buttons separate (seeming to move progressively to the right), leaving funny white shapes where there should be a smooth grey curve.

In IE 5.2, the footer is in the middle of the page, overlaying "One House Productions - is..."

Looks good to me in Firefox 1.0.

I'd love to make suggestions, but that will have to go to others more advanced in CSS than I.


Best regards,

Marilyn Langfeld
http://www.langfeldesigns.com
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Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at this
page and tell me if it's working right? 

Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Seona Bellamy wrote:
Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated.
:)
The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/
You should try a better positioning-method for that curved menu.
The items leave the curved background-image and ends up all over the 
place upon font-resizing in Opera, Firefox and IE6.

It looks really nice when everything is in place though.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:31:50 +1100, Richard Czeiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

Hi all  :o)
Would appreciate any comments.
PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother.  
I've served you up a crappy print style sheet  :o(

Here she is -
http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/
Thanks in advance  :o)
Richard
In Opera7.54 1280 optimal LCD:
Appropriate color and layout. Body text and drop down menu items a bit too  
tiny (and not enough contrast)for me to read. Menu breaks left approx.  
6px. Breaks right on clicked items, although not as much. Not holding when  
zoomed-- menu breaks approx. 60px right on 110% zoom.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

[Natalie Buxton]

For me, the top nav is not only ten px to the left, it is also ten px up.

Leaves a brown gap between your sliced images of the wedding couple.

Not sure if that is fixed in your latest changes.

Cheers

Natalie


On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:25:02 +1100, Richard Czeiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Ted and John  :o)
> 
> The disconnecting text is not something I can change as this design element
> was specified by the client.
> I've fixed the topNav -10px wierdness - only happened on the home page -
> quelle bizarre!  :o)
> No hover effect on action items (yet)
> Top Nav landing pages do not exist (yet) - no content from client
> Preloader done - thought it was part of the menu javascript
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> Thanks for the feedback!
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[Richard Czeiger]

Thanks Ted and John  :o)

The disconnecting text is not something I can change as this design element
was specified by the client.
I've fixed the topNav -10px wierdness - only happened on the home page -
quelle bizarre!  :o)
No hover effect on action items (yet)
Top Nav landing pages do not exist (yet) - no content from client
Preloader done - thought it was part of the menu javascript

Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

[Jonathan T. Sage]

Agree with Ted completely on the disconnect on those word pairs.  Like
the overall design.  The 10px shift does exist in firefox, which,
actually, does seem a bit visual interesting to me, even if it was
unintended (naturally, cross browser uniformity would be good)

only nearly-bothersome thing I saw is the mouseover images take a
second, and when I was moving quickly, them flashing was a little
confusing.  Maybe consider using a preloader? (Is this still done?  I
don't typically do image rollovers on my sites)

Personally, the lack of hover effect on those other elements dosn't
bother me greatly, but it might be more interesting if they had some
sort of effect.

looks good

~j


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>  
> I don't like the disconnect between the word pairs flowers plants and
> wedding events. If they share the same drop down, they should look like they
> share the same button. 
> In ff1.0 the topnav sits about 10 pixels too far left, outside the main
> section. 
> Are there hover effects on the various action items? I don't see them on
> bookmark us, flower lovers club, etc. 
> The topnav isn't clickable. Do you have landing pages for the top nav
> elements? 
> Ted
> 
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [WSG] Site Check Please
> 
>  
> Hi all  :o) 
>   
> Would appreciate any comments. 
> PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've
> served you up a crappy print style sheet  :o( 
>   
> Here she is - 
> http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ 
>   
> Thanks in advance  :o) 
>   
> Richard 


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RE: [WSG] Site Check Please

[Ted Drake]

I 
don't like the disconnect between the word pairs flowers plants and wedding 
events. If they share the same drop down, they should look like they share the 
same button.
In 
ff1.0 the topnav sits about 10 pixels too far left, outside the main section. 

Are 
there hover effects on the various action items? I don't see them on bookmark 
us, flower lovers club, etc.
The 
topnav isn't clickable. Do you have landing pages for the top nav 
elements?
Ted

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:32 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Site Check 
  Please
  Hi all  :o)
   
  Would appreciate any comments.
  PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even 
  bother. I've served you up a crappy print style sheet  :o(
   
  Here she is -
  http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/
   
  Thanks in advance  :o)
   
  Richard

Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

[mike bailey]

Aloha,
Cosmetically, it looks okay. There's one bug where the top navigation 
element sticks out of the left side, and doesn't reach the right side 
completely.

Your dropdown menus function perfectly, but it would be better to make 
those liks use the pointer cursor on mouseover, as to indicate to the 
common user that these are links.

The text below "with passion" on the header is very hard to read, darken 
it up a little bit.

your index page has 13 html errors, you should validate your entire 
website prior to going public - 
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ .

Good Luck.
Love,
Mike Bailey
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Hi all  :o)
Would appreciate any comments.
PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've 
served you up a crappy print style sheet  :o(
Here she is -
http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/
Thanks in advance  :o)
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Isabel Santos]

Mike,
 
I do not know if you already fixed that (fonts look 
quite large on my screen right now, but thats becaouse I've changed resolution 
down to 1024x768 to run other tests), but here it goes:
 
I fix my fonts using keywords for modern browsers 
(including ie6 pc in standards mode and mac ie) and feeding ie pc 
before 6 (through hacking) one step smaller sizes (and using px when 
supporting nn4); defining fonts this way I get them to be very similar in a 
cross browser way; I do that at the expense of using only 7 sizes (actualy less, 
since most font faces get xx-small and x-small the same size and xx-large is 
simply too large for my taste.)
(ie 5 and 5.5 pc sets font sizes begining at small, 
but ie 6 sets it the right way in standards mode and the old way in quirks 
mode).
 
I also avoid using verdana, although it is one of 
my favorites largely used fonts, because if the user doesn't have it installed, 
the next unserifed fonts are too small comparatively, so it gives me no 
garanties as for how will it look on the users descktop. Could it be your tiny 
font viewers may have not verdana installed?
 
Using "Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, 
sans-serif;" and em units you face inheritance and inconsistence issues I 
usually run away from, but I think you can find an excelent method 
here:
 
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/
 
By the way (and quite off-topic):
There is something called ie7: a tool (more a group 
of APIs) to install on the server to force clients ie 6 browsers to 
behave like a modern browser (or to fake standards complient browsers 
behaviour); it is still in alfa version, and I really do not know if it is a 
good or a bad thing:
using it you could almost (some features lacking 
still, but on the way) present your sites to ie6 as you do to late mozilla 
browsers, late Operas and Safari, with the same css, no hakcs, wich is 
wonderfull in terms of time saving on coding and design (ie supporting min/max 
width/height, child selectors, focus, :first-child, kind of a dream...) but if 
it gets widely used, ie will then have no good excuse to invest 
on rebuilding it self in the short coming so, just don't know. What would 
be worst? To force users to use a widely used browser or to force servers to use 
a tool to fix a widely used browser too fat to evolve? Tempting 
though...
 
Best regards,
Isabel Santos

Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Aaron Holbrook]

Link?


On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:04 +1100, James Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> There is a small issue on the home page with the hover state in firefox/win.
> On the link to the help page the hover state underline is pushing the
> content box and footer down by 1px â creates a little visual jump on
> rollover.
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RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[James Gollan]

There is
a small issue on the home page with the hover state in firefox/win.
On the link to the help page the hover state underline is pushing the content
box and footer down by 1px – creates a little visual jump on
rollover.

Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Mkear]

Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I
didn't thank you for your input.  I've implemented all of your
suggestions and I have a better site now as a result.  Thanks I
notice that on one page now that the fonts are smaller, the  flow of
text has resulted in some orphan text alongside an image, so I'll have to
change the standard image width a bit i think.    But
broadly speaking, the site is something I am quite pleased with.I
should also say that the radio community is far more impressed than this
group.  I have had a number of gushing testimonials from webmasters at
other stations.For the record, I've racked up 67 hours on this
project so far, and maybe another 60 or so to go before I'll call it
complete and in the maintenance only phase. In addition to the CSS,
i've written all my own code.   It's fully dynamic, with access
going to be given to about 60 people to different parts of the site for
different roles.  Each can work on their own parts of the site without
it appearing in public until it's ready and approved by someone with the
right authority level.  In addition we're going to be taking 2 web
services feeds, and providing half a dozen to other sites.I'm really
thrilled with how fast it loads even though it's hosted on a shared
environment in the midwest of the USA.Anyway, thanks for everyone's
help with this site (it's http://hawkradio.org.au if you're coming
in late to the discussion) and I'm still interested in anyone's input about
any aspect of the site, as long as it's polite.CheersMike
KearAFP WebworksWindsor, NSW, Australia 

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launched it finally!Date: 15/11/04 10:06Michael,Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course,
have written "76% or0.76em".I read somewhere (I'm sure someone
on the list will remember where)that 76% works for all modern browsers
better than 75%, because of arendering difference in one of the
browsers.-Hugh> <<<<> 5) I'd suggest
setting your "body" font size to 76% or 0.7em. It> looks>>
just a little better at that size.>> It already is .7em, which
is only half default size (49% of the total> pixels per character box
of the default size).>>>>>>>> Thanks for
your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because> I>
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Hugh Todd]

Michael,
Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written "76% or 
0.76em".

I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where) 
that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of a 
rendering difference in one of the browsers.

-Hugh
> 5) I'd suggest setting your "body" font size to 76% or 0.7em. It 
looks
just a little better at that size.
It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total
pixels per character box of the default size).>
Thanks for your thoughts Felix.   The size is already at 0.7em because 
I
adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. 
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Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Felix Miata]

Michael Kear wrote:
 
> How does one get IE 7.1?
 
> Oh DER!!!  I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2.
> It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1.  Whoops.

Netscape's been up to 7.2 since August. 7.1 has security bugs.
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RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Michael Kear]

> Ok well compare that with this one:
> Median Windows Settings
> 96DPI ("normal fonts")
> IE7.1 set to "Medium"

How does one get IE 7.1?


Oh DER!!!  I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2.
It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1.  Whoops.

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Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Felix Miata]

Michael Kear wrote:

> Here's what you posted:
> Median windoze settings:
> 96 DPI ("small fonts")
> IE6 set to "medium"
> 1024x768
> http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE1.png

It turns out that PC I had intentionally left at IE5 on purpose, but
forgot today when using it to visit http://hawkradio.org.au. So, I've
renamed it: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE5.png

The large fonts in the schedule table would probably instead more
closely match the smaller in other browsers by changing the body rule
from em to %. Then again, IE isn't known for good table inheritance
behavior, independent of its well known problem with using small em
instead of % in body. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms

Two new ones:

WinXP at 96 DPI IE6 "small fonts" set to "medium" 1024x768
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradio-IE6XP096-07.PNG

WinXP at 120 DPI IE6 "large fonts" set to "medium" 1280x1024
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradio-IE6XP120-02.PNG

These do look pretty much identical to Gecko.
 
> Ok well compare that with this one:
> Median Windows Settings
> 96DPI ("normal fonts")
> IE7.1 set to "Medium"

How does one get IE 7.1?

> 1024x768
> http://hawkradio.org.au/images/hawkradio1024x768.png
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RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

[Michael Kear]

Felix, I think you need to be a little less aggressive and judgemental in
your opinions.  You seem to be trying to make me out as an idiot and
incompetent at setting up my system.  In fact it's deliberately a default
installation. I don't change my browser's defaults for fear of getting into
the very situation you're trying to make out. 

Apparently you think I've tinkered around with my system to the extent that
I don't know what the defaults are any more.  Well the machine I develop my
sites on is kept at a default installation for just this reason.

You posted a picture of how it looks on your browser, but I've never seen it
look like that on a mac, or on IE7, opera, Firefox (two versions) or
Netscape.  

Here's what you posted: 
Median windoze settings:
96 DPI ("small fonts")
IE6 set to "medium"
1024x768
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE1.png


Ok well compare that with this one: 
Median Windows Settings
96DPI ("normal fonts")
IE7.1 set to "Medium"
1024x768
http://hawkradio.org.au/images/hawkradio1024x768.png

You'll see that the text in the "what's on today" table on the right is
smaller than body text, which is intended. (On yours the table text is much
larger than body text)   Body text is readable.  The H2 headings on the home
page are aligned as they ought to be, just to the right of the chevron
graphic.

I contend that since my IE7 looks the same as all the other browsers (with
the exception of the opera menu issue described by someone else earlier)
that it's in fact your ancient Win98/IE6 that's the problem I need to find a
hack for, not my competence in setting up my machine.  ( yes, I DO need to
find a solution because there will be site users with that configuration)


I said I needed to put the help page there because the deputy chairman of
the station was having problems reading the site and you made a stupid
comment that maybe his eyes were much older than mine.  You don't know
anything about the situation here so don't make idiotic assumptions.  It
doesn't matter if he is older than me or not (actually he's 15 years
younger) and it makes no difference anyway.   And I find your assertion that
"You, as countless others, create problems because you DON'T configure your
own to suit your own taste BEFORE beginning design work, instead assuming as
do too many others, that most do nothing as do you yourself, and that those
who do simply don't matter to you.."  to be quite offensive.  I do care
about the site's users.  The site is there for them and for the radio
station not for me.  

Felix I'm perfectly ready to acknowledge I'm a learner.  I've been a learner
for 54 years.  I've only built 10 CSS sites, so I have a lot to learn.  But
if you want anyone to pay attention to your opinions you need to learn to
show a bit of respect and use less intemperate language.

Back off buster.  If you have some thing to say I'm interested to know what
it is but if you are just going to be offensive you don't count in my view.


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