RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-20 Thread Gareth Davis
> The only option then was really to use the NTL > analogue feed they put down the coax. Friendly engineer gave > us some F type ends and cable and we could at least get 1 to > 4. And Sky one audio on the FM. The old NYNEX FM hook up - that takes me back. It seemed amazing at the time, to get s

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-20 Thread Adam Hatia
o if the latter was the case!   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 20 May 2008 02:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels > You'd think... But then my

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-20 Thread Steve Jolly
Christopher Woods wrote: Personally I'd rather have naff analogue with continuous audio where I can gist the few words I miss, rather than have a lossy (moreso than analogue, arguably) digital signal with squelchy audio and dropouts every so often. I put up with it on my PC's freeview receiver, b

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-19 Thread Christopher Woods
> You'd think... But then my first flat in London barely > managed to get analogue... I actually got a digital box in > the first place because it offered a better picture! A clear > picture that broke up once every 90 seconds was preferable to > watching fuzz and snow. Interesting you shou

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-19 Thread Matt Barber
> You'd think... But then my first flat in London barely managed to get > analogue... I actually got a digital box in the first place because it > offered a better picture! A clear picture that broke up once every 90 > seconds was preferable to watching fuzz and snow. Often is the case though t

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-19 Thread Andrew Bowden
> Surely in London I should be getting more than BBC One > (sometimes), BBC Two (sometimes), Sky Three and Dave. I find > it funny that I can get better broadcast television from a > internet startup of untested legality than I do from actual > broadcasting. You'd think... But then my first f

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
Perhaps someone should tell them about BDA and the WinTV-Nova-T500 cards? Much better to source direct from digital than encode from a STB, surely? 2008/5/17 Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:02:24PM +0100, Richard Compston wrote: > >I don't know if Zattoo are using

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-17 Thread Alan Pope
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:02:24PM +0100, Richard Compston wrote: >I don't know if Zattoo are using Freeview or Sky boxes, but I'm guessing >Freeview - the blocking I've been seeing is very similar to what I get on >my telly when a 747 flies overhead ;) > I often see dialogs on the sc

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-16 Thread Jonathan Tweed
On 13 May 2008, at 14:02, Brian Butterworth wrote: http://zattoo.com/ Thanks for that Brian, what a fantastic service. It would be real shame if this was closed down. I can now watch channels I haven't been able to watch since I moved flat last October! Surely in London I should be gettin

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-16 Thread Richard Smedley
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 19:42 +0200, Brian Butterworth wrote: > I presume that this isn't used on BBC Radio 3, where it is 'normal' > for music to have a large range of different volumes and is used on > 1Xtra to ruin drum and bass tracks? Sadly we've had to put up with three-band compression on R

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Christopher Woods
Also (off-topic slightly) does anybody know what kit the radio studios use for the automatic level ducking when a DJ's speaking over the intro / tail of a track? I've seen what looks like a sidechaining compressor in the background of some shots on programmes like Timelapse or suchlike (where a

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/5/15 Simon Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The biggest part of the story though is the final processing of the R1 > output before transmission. This is done with an broadcast-grade audio > processor. There are a few around, but the industry standard is called an > Orban Optimod. Again, they es

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Simon Cross
Also (off-topic slightly) does anybody know what kit the radio studios use for the automatic level ducking when a DJ's speaking over the intro / tail of a track? I've seen what looks like a sidechaining compressor in the background of some shots on programmes like Timelapse or suchlike (where a DJ'

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Martin Deutsch
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Gareth Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As others have already said BHX is the extension to London Broadcasting > House, apologies for the lapse into BBC TLAs. No idea what the site code is > for the Mailbox, if any does know then feel free to email me it - bec

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Gareth Davis
What kit did the Beeb use, and what do they use now? (fascinated by the choices in tech) No idea about the rest of the BBC, but we do the TV Encoding with Osprey 540 cards in hp DL360G5 servers at Bush running Windows. Windows media audio encoding is also done here at Bush house using Osprey 230

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Matthew Cashmore
>> >> >> > What kit did the Beeb use, and what do they use now? (fascinated by the > choices in tech) > > Also (off-topic slightly) does anybody know what kit the radio studios use for > the automatic level ducking when a DJ's speaking over the intro / tail of a > track? I've seen what looks

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-15 Thread Christopher Woods
Good point Gareth 'News 24' is streamed from a SDI source. We moved from analogue to digital capture cards about four/five years ago & the difference in quality was immediately noticable - bitrate & frame size for Flash has been upped of course, so looks even better (the current encoders are a

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Richard Compston
Global > News Division > 8 http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ + 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B > 4PH > > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Richard Compston > *Sent:* 13 May 2008 19:05 > > *To:* backst

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Tom Hannen
Most people just call it Egton... On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Gareth Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Christopher Woods wrote: > > By BHX you mean Birmingham, right? (just doublechecking) And is everything > moving for News (studios AND live broadcast coordination, all that stuff, > and n

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Gareth Davis
Christopher Woods wrote: By BHX you mean Birmingham, right? (just doublechecking) And is everything moving for News (studios AND live broadcast coordination, all that stuff, and not just any one element of it?) Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I've been fol

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Jeremy James
Gareth Davis wrote: > Why would it be? SDI is the usual way we send SD digital audio and video > round the studios. The bitrate may be high, but it is still interlaced > SD resolution video. I can't remember the various different bandwidth > figures for HD SDI, and I can't be bothered digging throu

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/5/14 Gareth Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Brian Butterworth wrote: > Does that mean a BBC News HD channel would be possible? > Why would it be? SDI is the usual way we send SD digital audio and video > round the studios. The bitrate may be high, but it is still interlaced SD > resolution

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/5/14 Christopher Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > News have just done a technical refresh of their studios and AFAIK they > have not put any HD kit in. I've no idea if any will go in before we > all move into new studios in the new BHX in 2012. > > > By BHX you mean Birmingham, right? (just

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods News have just done a technical refresh of their studios and AFAIK they have not put any HD kit in. I've no idea if any will go in before we all move into new studios in

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Christopher Woods
News have just done a technical refresh of their studios and AFAIK they have not put any HD kit in. I've no idea if any will go in before we all move into new studios in the new BHX in 2012. By BHX you mean Birmingham, right? (just doublechecking) And is everything moving for News (studios

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Gareth Davis
Brian Butterworth wrote: If it were the MPEG2 feed and was digitally processed, it would be quite simple to use the encoded frames and reduced the resolution and/or bitrate. At least in theory. It looks like a MPEG2->analogue->re-encode. Digital transcoding from the transport stream i

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
> think > > > that it will be the rights owners that will have the biggest say in > > > whether > > > Zattoo should continue in their current model, rather than the > > > broadcasters > > > pushing for change. > > > > > > ___

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Gareth Davis
r change. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 May 2008 14:35

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-14 Thread Christopher Woods
Given that N24 has been pulled from Livestation, I can only imagine that the BBC's lawyers have done something here. How long does Zattoo get? Apparently it's nothing quite as sinister - N24 was streamed as part of the technical trial, which has now come to an end, and they're looking to g

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Brian Butterworth
ven the Amy Winehouse answer everytime. Given that N24 has been pulled from Livestation, I can only imagine that the BBC's lawyers have done something here. How long does Zattoo get? > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Christopher Woods
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 13 May 2008 19:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels I agree, the picture on Livestation is much better too. 2008/5/13 Richard Compston <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Brian Butterworth
gt; > > that it will be the rights owners that will have the biggest say in > > > whether > > > Zattoo should continue in their current model, rather than the > > > broadcasters > > > pushing for change. > > > > > > ___

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Richard Compston
rsonally think > > that it will be the rights owners that will have the biggest say in whether > > Zattoo should continue in their current model, rather than the broadcasters > > pushing for change. > > > > ____________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Brian Butterworth
CTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 May 2008 14:35 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Brian Butterworth > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: &

RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Robin Cramp
er than the broadcasters pushing for change. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 May 2008 14:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels On Tue,

Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Matt Barber
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://zattoo.com/ > > http://informitv.com/articles/2008/05/09/zattooclaimscopyright/ > > "Zattoo, which is now offering live online streams of the leading British > terrestrial television channels, is claiming it has

[backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels

2008-05-13 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://zattoo.com/ http://informitv.com/articles/2008/05/09/zattooclaimscopyright/ "Zattoo, which is now offering live online streams of the leading British terrestrial television channels, is claiming it has the right to do so under the United Kingdom Copyright Act. Zattoo says it "operates stri