[cdesktopenv-devel] CDE on Raspberry Pi 4 (64-bit OS) possible tweaks?

Context: my CDE experience is on Solaris 10 and earlier, almost entirely. On there, I've read, scrounged, and done enough to be able to tweak it quite a bit - like a command line tool that can send f. commands to dtwm, so things like restarting dtwm after editing a dtwmrc file can be scripted. B

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] MS style alt tabbing

CDE window manager AFAIK is _not_ mwm but still dtwm, a derivative of mwm but with additional actions that can appear in configuration files (or be sent to it if you know how*) and maybe other CDE specific functionality. If the functionality of emwm would not clash with the dtwm specific feature

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Announcement of dtpower: a powermonitoring dockapp for the CDE frontpanel

Good to see new apps! I would note that Solaris (10 and earlier) had its own "dtpower", meant to show and control various power management functions, but without an active front panel icon. Hopefully the same name won't cause confusion. Here's something I downloaded in the mid '90's (not having

[cdesktopenv-devel] scripting CDE actions or f. commands, was Re: [PATCH] dtksh: allow parallel building

For what you want to do, you don't actually need to send an f. command at all; you should be able to execute an action more directly with dtaction ExitSession You have may have to do something to keep your script from getting killed after exiting the session but before issuing the shutdown com

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Setting custom wallpaper on other workspaces

JPG and PNG will work now? (if Motif is built appropriately); that helps. The other thing that would help is a way to specify that specific backdrops should be centered or scaled rather than tiled; with that, it'd be fairly complete (except when one wants some animated program to provide a backd

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Setting custom wallpaper on other workspaces

CDE backdrops are managed normally by using dtstyle. They're slightly unusual XPM files (potentially with some colors mapped to the current "palette"). The usual CDE backdrops are NOT on the actual X11 root window, they're on a window overlaid on it, so tools that set the X11 root window content

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Fedora Build repaired (sort of)

I can get a stair stepping easily enough on most terminal emulators (this was Solaris 10 CDE dtterm): $ stty -onlcr $ $ $ $ stty sane $ $ $ So maybe for some reason, it was bringing up the pseudo-terminal with the wrong tty modes. :-) > On Nov 24, 2020, at 16:39

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

> > Also, what was the deal back in the OpenSolaris days before Oracle killed it? > Did that codebase have CDE? I also wonder about Illumos. Do they still have a > CDE codebase, too? I'm guessing Sun just didn't release it with the rest of > the code. Sun didn't have the rights to release CD

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] sdtedit freely available ?

you've sent make perfect sense. > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 22:11, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> >> My program (dtwmcmd - send f.commands to dtwm) may be floating around >> somewhere; but my website >> no longer exists, so I've attached a copy. > > M

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] sdtedit freely available ?

I have Solaris 9 and 10 systems running. If you have the choice, look at Solaris 9 rather than 10. ldd /usr/dt/sdthotkeys shows a bunch more libraries on Solaris 10, that from the look of the names, have to do with optionally supporting Trusted Solaris (uses zones as isolation areas for informa

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

gram, because who knows > what the user actually has on their system. > > -mrt > Original Message > From: Richard L. Hamilton > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 22:32 > To: Jon Trulson > Cc: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the need for it at all? dtaction Open _filename_ should, if the appropriate actions have been defined, recognize the file by its magic number and/or name suffix, and run the appropriate viewer, or whatever. And dtfile among others will be able to make us

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] es_ES.UTF-8 localizing

Are those message files compiled with gencat(1)? Some platforms have a command that does the reverse, e.g. converts a compiled message catalog file back into the source form (or an alternative form for human consumption that can't be fed back into gencat - my human-readable output may be differ

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

I forgot - one other thing good about dtmail (esp. on someone running on a tiny system, like that Raspberry Pi, maybe) is that it's far less of a memory hog than e.g. Thunderbird. > On Jun 26, 2018, at 22:15, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > Signed PGP part > I suppose one cou

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

I suppose one could come up with a configuration file for Thunderbird that used dtaction commands to have the CDE type handling mechanism deal with as many as possible (and relatively safe, e.g. NOT shell scripts) attachment types. That would allow some degree of natural integration. Add to th

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove apollo support

The "mess" emulator can emulate an Apollo DN3500 reasonably well; I've got that running SR10.4 that I sometimes play with for nostalgia's sake. Not like I ever had CDE on an Apollo, so I have no stake in it; but just so you know the lack of hardware doesn't preclude someone running them. > On

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support

> On Jun 24, 2018, at 12:26, Ulrich Wilkens wrote: > > On 06/24/18 17:29, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >>> On Jun 24, 2018, at 11:00, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel >>> wrote: >>> >>> This patch also cleans up a file with ifdef mess >>> &

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support

bly recent macOS (I have 1.0.7 from MacPorts, but never got far with it). > On Jun 24, 2018, at 11:32, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > > Not unless your Macintosh was manufactured 1987-1990 and runs A/UX ;) > > -mrt > Original Message > From: Richard L. Hamilton > Sent: Sunda

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support

> On Jun 24, 2018, at 11:00, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel > wrote: > > This patch also cleans up a file with ifdef mess > > Thank you for your time, > -Chase Hmm, some of us would like to see CDE work on our Macs one day; will this make it more difficult? signature.asc Description: Mess

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

> On Jun 20, 2018, at 20:28, Jon Trulson wrote: > [...] >> Would switching to autotools also solve the rpath problem? > > Possibly, as I understand libtool changed it's behavior WRT to rpath. > > In CDE for linux, rpath is added via ExtraLoadFlags in > config/cf/lnxLib.rules. You could prob

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] dtterm malfunction

vi (or any clone, like vim) saves the tty modes when it starts before setting its own, and restores them on exit; so that doesn't necessarily tell you anything. Knowing the tty name for each, one could (from another window) do e.g. stty On Jun 18, 2018, at 08:50, Antonis Tsolomitis > wrote:

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

Specific graphics can relate to branding; if they didn't want to do that, I can understand it. They did put a lot of work into clang/llvm and CUPS, and that's certainly benefited others. They've open sourced some things they wrote themselves (or bought), like libdispatch and the Swift compiler

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] 2 (possibly) simple wishes

> On Jun 16, 2018, at 05:59, Antonis Tsolomitis > wrote: > > > A right click for menu and a click on Open is again 2 clicks. The issue here > is to cut down the clicks > to 50%. All other common desktops I know of, support one click to open. Right press and hold, menu comes up (keep holding

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] 2 (possibly) simple wishes

> On Jun 15, 2018, at 14:12, Antonis Tsolomitis > wrote: > > > I write 2 possibly simple wishes that would be useful to be resolved at some > point. > > (a) Scrolling with the mouse wheel works on most CDE apps (after proper setup > of the .Xdefaults) > except the filemanager, where > it o

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

Oops, forgot to send reply to the list. > On Jun 15, 2018, at 07:45, Antonis Tsolomitis > wrote: > > > I changed the Alt-Tab to f.cycle_up and this works well. > > Thanks, > > Antonis. > I think you mean f.circle_up - there is no f.cycle_up. For consis

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

either in a menu (middle click) or > in a tray > similar to iconbox would be very useful since it will be faster to find the > window you need > than rotate them. > > Yes..., xmpager similar to Triteal CDE would be great too. > > Thanks everyone, > > Antonis. >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 20:12, Christopher Turkel > wrote: > > I'd like a window list option, maybe a middle mouse button click. There isn't a graphical one in basic CDE. And it would be a lot of work, probably. TriTeal and later Sun CDE had graphic workspace management tools, and at least

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 18:10, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > > ‎However, even though I said that... neither alt-esc nor alt-tab are > curr‎ently working for me (though the underlying functionality works when > accessed from a menu, and other keybinds work fine as well). They have worked > in the

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

> On May 3, 2016, at 07:35, Chris Wareham wrote: > >> On 01 May 2016 at 11:29 Edmond Orignac wrote: >> >> >> You are completely right. I was mentioning xmmixer as an example of an >> OSS sound mixing Motif application that is usable on Linux Slackware (or >> Gentoo) but probably not Linux U

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] sans-serif fonts in CDE

CDE differs from common X11 practice in a couple of ways: 1) iso10646-1 fonts are not used for full Unicode coverage; rather, font lists (multiple fonts each covering different locales or encodings) are used. That may be a Motif limitation; at any rate, Motif seems to include a number of funct

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] dtcm and DST

IMO, the problem has always been that (AFAIK) time zones were not recorded when scheduling an event. That means that if the event is seen by people in other time zones, it cannot be presented accurately - an event should be scheduled in some particular time zone, adjusted as needed to UTC (an a

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Where to add new filetypes?

BTW, some message files have a “.cat” suffix, and are generated by gencat(1). Some OS’s offer a command that can dump those binary files back in a text form that can be edited and resubmitted to gencat. That command is called “dspcat”. Solaris doesn’t have that command, so I recreated it a lo

[cdesktopenv-devel] Tips for porting to new platform? (Mac)

Are there any notes for getting started to port to a new platform? I do have an imake from MacPorts (none is bundled with Apple’s Xquartz.app), but the darwin.cf is ancient. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Ente

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] SPARC build: a little more progress

extension cable and a USB audio dongle (I may have the latter), since I’m not inclined to attempt to identify a SPARC/Solaris 11 compatible PCIe audio card. On Nov 30, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Ok, this NOT work with Xvnc (yes, I know how to set that up with CDE -

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] SPARC build: a little more progress

. And of course sdtwinlst is missing, as is the graphical one (sdtgwm?) probably inspired by TriTeal’s version. But it’s progress, and it shows that getting it running on SPARC and Solaris 11.2 is quite doable. On Nov 29, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Thanks. Ran i

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Other CDE and Motif related goodies out there

on dtcm_holidays. I dimly remember something with a memory leak in dtclock that got fixed at some point; not sure which version fixed that. On Nov 30, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Edmond Orignac wrote: > > > On 29/11/2014 20:28, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> If someone gets it worki

[cdesktopenv-devel] Other CDE and Motif related goodies out there

If someone gets it working and wants to jazz it up a bit, there’s other goodies out there. xlockmore - some versions (google for it) included the ability to build with CDE support; I have an extended action file to invoke that with the appropriate arguments, which adds some much cooler screen s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] SPARC build: a little more progress

Thanks. Ran into another even after touching all those; at that point, I got wholesale about getting them all, not wanting to start over each time (and the make doesn’t just pick up where it left off, as one might hope a well-written one would). find /opt/solarisstudio12.3/prod/include/CC -typ

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] SPARC build: a little more progress

Something wrong there - tried your build on SPARC 11.2, here’s what happened: making all in programs/dtsearchpath/libCliSrv... CC-o /opt/solarisstudio12.3/prod/include/CC/Cstd/istream /opt/solarisstudio12.3/prod/include/CC/Cstd/istream.cc -L/usr/X11/lib -L/usr/lib -ldl -lintl -lsocket -lnsl

[cdesktopenv-devel] SPARC build: a little more progress

Using the git code, the wiki Solaris build instructions (minus the /usr/bin/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc link), and the following PATH PATH=/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:/opt/solarisstudio/bin (which avoided the version of sed that was running wild), I got a lot further; until the error sequence belo

[cdesktopenv-devel] see command doesn't finish in build

Building on Solaris 11.2 SPARC, per the wiki (i.e. code from git), the following sed command never finishes; eventually it could run the disk out of space making parser.c arbitrarily large. Off the top of my head, I’m not good enough with sed to see why. Given the PATH I had set, it appears th

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] GDE, the GNU Desktop Environment (Was: Re: OS X and Autotools)

Suns in the house, only three (SunBlade 100, SunBlade 2000, T5240) of which run anymore, and only one of which can run Solaris 11) On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:12 AM, Murray Blakeman wrote: > > On 20/11/2014 13:53, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> You’re quite right, I didn’t have

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] GDE, the GNU Desktop Environment (Was: Re: OS X and Autotools)

0.5.11-0.175.2.0.0.23.0 solaris > > I have the following installed and there are no conflicts > > # pkg search -l -p /usr/dt OR openmotif > PACKAGE PUBLISHER > pkg:/desktop/cde@2.2.2 > pkg:/development/openmotif@2.3.4 > pkg:/driver/graphics/nvidia@0.331.38.0-0.175.2.0.0.35.

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] GDE, the GNU Desktop Environment (Was: Re: OS X and Autotools)

On Nov 19, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Jon Trulson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: […] >> My immediate interest is getting CDE on OS X and Solaris 11. AFAIK, >> both of those either have automake/autoconf from the vendor, or >> have it in a reasonably well-s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] GDE, the GNU Desktop Environment (Was: Re: OS X and Autotools)

Copyleft vs permissive license arguments get in the way of making good technical decisions IMO - except when the distinction is needed for NON-ideological arguments. Backwards compatibility has a couple of points to commend it: * not alienating existing base in the hopes of pursuing a new base *

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Working on an illumos port

Awesome! Now, if (given the OpenMotif license change making it a non-problem from that standpoint) interest in a Mac port were revived, I'd be doing a happy dance now. :-) On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > I've been working on getting CDE built on illumos, which should > al

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] add sessions to dtlogin and a couple of bugs

On my classic CDE (on Solaris), I see where it remembers the last session: $HOME/.dt/sessions/lastsession contains the path of the command that started the most recent session, i.e. for CDE, /usr/dt/bin/Xsession There is no terminating newline in the file. It may be that the file also could b