On Jan 30, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Leonard Mada wrote:
Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
But this all can get very tricky to deal with, particularly when you
consider things like substitution logic (what happens when there's no
author?), first/subsequent citations, and so forth. I worry how adding
this flexibili
Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
But this all can get very tricky to deal with, particularly when you
consider things like substitution logic (what happens when there's no
author?), first/subsequent citations, and so forth. I worry how adding
this flexibility would impact implementations.
1. first/ subsequ
On 1/30/07, Leonard Mada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Instead of having flags for every citation field, I suggested:
- have styles for citations
- AND allow more than one citation styles in the same document
-- styles are set globally (therefore, IF one decides to change a
style, he changes all
Von: Leonard Mada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [...]
> Instead of having flags for every citation field, I suggested:
> - have styles for citations
> - AND allow more than one citation styles in the same document
>-- styles are set globally (therefore, IF one decides to change a
> style, he changes a
In my previous post, I have suggested a different approach to the
current problem. What do you think of it?
Instead of having flags for every citation field, I suggested:
- have styles for citations
- AND allow more than one citation styles in the same document
-- styles are set globally (ther
I took a brainstorming session today on this issue and I would like to
add some of my thinking to this discussion:
- I now believe that flags are a less than optimal idea
-- they add to much complexity (many flags necessary to do something
more complex)
-- they limit the things that could be
That was my point, I don't think the citation field does need locale.
The *source* needs it, as it might be cited by another document in a
format which requires locale.
I tinkered with it and found what might be a problem though. The
RFC3066 string put out as meta data is specified by the applica
On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Gannon Dick wrote:
As I see it, there are several reasons to keep locale. None are
related to computer processing, but rather Library Science.
Locale for the source metadata, sure, but I'm still unclear why the
citation field itself needs it.
Bruce
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On Jan 28, 2007, at 4:48 PM, James Howison wrote:
So things like comma vs semi-colon would be handled in the style file,
ie if you had a style that was right in all other respects but wanted
to swap comma vs semi-colon you'd be sub-classing the style for this
specific document?
Yes, though
Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
Ahem, just to be clear, I mean *locally.* E.g. I don't see why the
global configuration of a style says the citation should be (Doe,
1999), and we have to allow users to be able to have some citations be
(Doe:1999), *and* to remain live and updateable.
However, IF a user
As I see it, there are several reasons to keep locale. None are
related to computer processing, but rather Library Science. One can
strike a happy medium though with RFC3066. This is a "language in
locale" hybrid - en-US (english in US), ap-MX (apache in Mexico) and so
forth. While there is qui
On Jan 28, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
I, for example, don't see why we should allow users to change the
delimiter for a citation per James' example above.
Ahem, just to be clear, I mean *locally.* E.g. I don't see why the
glob
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
I, for example, don't see why we should allow users to change the
delimiter for a citation per James' example above.
Ahem, just to be clear, I mean *locally.* E.g. I don't see why the
global configuration of a style says the citation should b
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Matthias Basler wrote:
James Howison wrote:
From time to time users are going to want to drop out of the style
defined ways of citing and use the flags themselves (ie I like this
style in general, but I want a comma instead of a semi-colon
separating the Author-Ye
James Howison wrote:
> From time to time users are going to want to drop out of the style
> defined ways of citing and use the flags themselves (ie I like this
> style in general, but I want a comma instead of a semi-colon
> separating the Author-Year.)
Hi bibliographers,
I just want to no
Dare I say that it sounds like this needs a layer of indirection?
ie Styles define a few 'in-page' ways of citing. Author-Year has
'cite all in parens', and cite Author outside parens and year inside.
You might want title only as well. Some styles separate Author and
Year with a comma and
Our emails have crossed each other.
You are right for many fields there may be a need to select short/long and or
suppress/display.
To add to my previous suggestion of -
biblioref-attlist &= attribute meta:resource { xsd:anyURI }, attribute
cite:style:suppress { "author, title, ..." }
To Add
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> So translating:
>
> locale -- not sure why we need this?
I am not sure either. Locale information is generally needed only if the text
is NOT encoded in unicode. In the case where you have a 8bit character codes
and need the locale to determine
On Jan 27, 2007, at 4:19 PM, David Wilson wrote:
Am I right in thinking that Microsoft's citation systems does not
support
footnote citations.
Yes, that is correct. They also don't do author-year citations right in
Word 2007 ;-)
And that do not have footnote citation flags defined in
ca
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> Well, here's the citation field switches in Microsoft's Open XML
> format
Bruce,
Am I right in thinking that Microsoft's citation systems does not
support
footnote citations. And that do not have footnote citation flags defined in
case they m
Well, here's the citation field switches in Microsoft's Open XML
format, which we have to be able to convert in and out of:
\l The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the locale which
shall be used in conjunction with the specified bibliographic style to
format the citation in the
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Florian Schlichting wrote:
>
> and where do you control whether and what kind of brackets are used?
>
From the menu Insert->Indexes and Tables->Index/Table tab:Type=Bibliography
In the panel section 'Formatting of the entries' - Brackets selection.
David
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Bruce,
Support for formal local style seems a good idea. Do we need to
consider at
this point the issue of options of footnote citations ? If yes then 'formal
local style' selection that includes variants with exclusions could handle
much of that complexity and take it away from the GU
On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:37 PM, David Wilson wrote:
Ibidem has several other insert citation options including - a custom,
manual
entry for this instance only. See:
http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/screenImages/
IbidemDescription_html_m6ca0a53b.gif
I do not propose that we blindly follow a
On Thursday 25 January 2007 1:42 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope
> will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to the
> local styling attribute. This is the flag that will say, for example,
> suppress author,
On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:42 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
Hi,
I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope
will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to
the local styling attribute. This is the flag that will say, for
example, suppress author, so that
On Jan 24, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Florian Schlichting wrote:
Bruce,
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:42:06AM -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope
will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to the
local styling attribute. Th
Bruce,
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:42:06AM -0500, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope
> will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to the
> local styling attribute. This is the flag that will say, for example,
> suppress
Hi,
I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope
will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to the
local styling attribute. This is the flag that will say, for example,
suppress author, so that you get (1999) instead of (Doe, 1999).
My question is,
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