Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 06:57:53PM -0400, admin wrote: [snip] > > LOL Paul, > You are so very spot on, I have a current customer who would like > the website to just load when he logs in. I wish I had not agreed to writing > him a startup script to load the interface for him because NOW h

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Jeff Burcher wrote: > Hi, > > I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to > see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems > pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don'

Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus

2012-07-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > >As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard > has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled "Applied > jQuery: Develop and Design": > >http://links.parasane.net/92xb > Just bought it -- thanks. I'll a

Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread tamouse mailing lists
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > Hi gang: > > I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. > > First question: > > What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? It all depends on where and how my code is ultimately used. If it is code that so

RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread admin
-Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:31 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 01:26:50PM -0400, Tedd Sperling wrote: > Hi gang: > > I can't wait for t

Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 01:26:50PM -0400, Tedd Sperling wrote: > Hi gang: > > I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. > > First question: > > What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? > > I call them the "end-user", but others have stated other terms, su

Re: [PHP] magic getter

2012-07-19 Thread David Harkness
If you want to block setting of public properties on your class, implement the magic setter. class Foo { private $data = array(); function __get($name) { return $this->data[$name]; } function __set($name, $value) { if ($name != 'foo') {

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Btw. we were asked by the to

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson < hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >>> >>> >>> > Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic >>> > source on the black out day. >>> > I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > >> > Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic >> > source on the black out day. >> > I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc >> > him, as he was the driving force behind us joinin

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
> > > > Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic > > source on the black out day. > > I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc > > him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA > movement. > > He is everywhere. > > But

RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Jeff Burcher
Hi, I agree. My wife is from China and both copyright issues and government enforcement of things have a whole new meaning there, so I understand the concerns on both sides. Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Lester Caine
Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on ho

RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Jeff Burcher
Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Al

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > 2012.07.19. 20:21, "Daniel Brown" ezt írta: >> >> Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a "general >> user" issue where it pertains to php.net. >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: >> > Hey guys, >>

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > 2012.07.19. 20:21, "Daniel Brown" ezt írta: > > > > > Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a "general > > user" issue where it pertains to php.net. > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig > wrote: > > >

Re: [PHP] magic getter

2012-07-19 Thread Jim Lucas
On 07/19/2012 12:22 PM, Sebastian wrote: Hi all, is this a bug, or a feature? class Foo { private $data; public function __get($name) { return $this->data[$name]; } } $foo = new Foo(); $foo->color = 'red'; echo $foo->color; I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out "re

[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
2012.07.19. 20:21, "Daniel Brown" ezt írta: > > Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a "general > user" issue where it pertains to php.net. > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > I just became aware of this: > > > > http://internetdefens

Re: [PHP] magic getter

2012-07-19 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Sebastian wrote: > Hi all, > > is this a bug, or a feature? > > class Foo > { > private $data; > > public function __get($name) > { > return $this->data[$name]; > } > } > > $foo = new Foo(); > $foo->color = 'red'; > > echo $foo->color; > > I would expec

[PHP] magic getter

2012-07-19 Thread Sebastian
Hi all, is this a bug, or a feature? class Foo { private $data; public function __get($name) { return $this->data[$name]; } } $foo = new Foo(); $foo->color = 'red'; echo $foo->color; I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out "red" ... -- PHP General Mailin

[PHP] magic getter

2012-07-19 Thread Sebastian
Hi all, is this a bug, or a feature? class Foo { private $data; public function __get($name) { return $this->data[$name]; } } $foo = new Foo(); $foo->color = 'red'; echo $foo->color; I would expect an error, or a least a notice, but it prints out "red" ... -- PHP General Mailin

Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Matijn Woudt wrote: > > Is this really the recommended way on distros' which package the pecl > packages? > It seems to me it would be better to use the distros' version, so it > has the required patches (if any) for them to work correctly on the > distro, and the

Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL

2012-07-19 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby > wrote: >> Hi all, >> Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: >> http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear >> >> Is it a suitable answer?

Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Brown
Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a "general user" issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > Hey guys, > > I just became aware of this: > > http://internetdefenseleague.org/ > > > It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and oth

Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:54 PM, "admin" wrote: > My goal in life has been to develop the ultimate portal that thinks for you > and less dependent on your interactions. I am close to finishing a learning > module that learns from your interactions and navigates according to your > past history. But th

[PHP] The Cat Signal

2012-07-19 Thread Kris Craig
Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They'

RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread admin
-Original Message- From: Tedd Sperling [mailto:t...@sperling.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:27 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net General Subject: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do

Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Lester Caine
Tedd Sperling wrote: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the "end-user", but others have stated other terms, such as "customer" or "user". If they are paying they are customers,

RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Jeff Burcher
Hi, I have always held that the opinion of the end-user/customer is the most important goal in any systems development project, small or large, regardless of the programming language/environment. The database structure, programming, and interfaces are your product. If folks don't like it or can't

Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > > As for the discussion re jQuery and such, there's no need -- it was not used > in this demo. IOW, no jQuery was harmed. I am not against jQuery, on the > contrary I think it's great, but it's not always needed for client-side > functiona

Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > > What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? If they're using the *code*, then "user" or "developer." If they're using the finished product (site, application, or results thereof), then "end-user," "customer," "visitor,"

[PHP] What do you call the end-user?

2012-07-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
Hi gang: I can't wait for tomorrow -- so here's my off-topic post today. First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the "end-user", but others have stated other terms, such as "customer" or "user". Second question: Are you concerned with their ("who

Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus

2012-07-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Jul 16, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Ramiro Barrantes wrote: > Hello, > > I am making an application using PHP/Javascript/mysql and had a question. > > Sometimes I need to use javascript to fill a drop down box based on the value > of a previous drop down box. However, the information to fill the la

Re: [PHP] difference PEAR PECL

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Hi all, > Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: > http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear > > Is it a suitable answer? It's close. PECL (sometimes pronounced "pickle") sta

[PHP] difference PEAR PECL

2012-07-19 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
Hi all, Wondering about the difference between PECL and PEAR, I found: http://board.phpbuilder.com/showthread.php?10339238-Pecl-vs-Pear Is it a suitable answer? If so, several Linux ditribution have: * php-pecl-xxx (PECL) * php-pear-vvv (PEAR) * php-yyy (???) packages (rpm and deb). What about