> Personally, I think it was a confusing mistake to list relator roles as
> entity-specific, such as "composer (expression)" (and a corresponding
> strangely ommitted "composer (work)" in this case). There should have been
> a list of roles (composer, screenwriter, etc), that are entity-inde
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No, but, see, the definition of "composer (expression)" DOES acknowledge what
it means to be linked to the _expression_. Thanks to whoever pointed that out:
" by adding music to a work that originally la
No, but, see, the definition of "composer (expression)" DOES acknowledge
what it means to be linked to the _expression_. Thanks to whoever
pointed that out:
" by adding music to a work that originally lacked it, by composing new
music to substitute for the original music, or by composing new m
that the examples we have been discussion
involve mixed responsibility.
John
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| John wrot
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| John
| I am sorry. Do you mean a collection of music or just a movie music?
| Also do you mean recordi
John wrote:
“RDA defines the screenwriter as a creator -- one of the few creator
relationships applicable to a moving-image work -- and this is hotly contested.
RDA considers a screenwriter to be a sub-category of "author" and authors are
by definition creators. In my opinion, that doesn't wo
gt; description) as related works.
>
> John Attig
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> Penn State University
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| Let's see here. I recently subscribed to KUSC and my gift for giving
| was music from movies, whether originally composed for the movies or
| not. Perhaps, it would be catalogued as a collection of music, but
| then how wo
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> Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
>
> > In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood
> > gets "composer (
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Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
> In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood
> gets "composer
Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
> In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood gets
> "composer (expression"),
>
> " because the music is simply one aspect of the realization of the moving-
> image work ". Likewise you later clarified, assign relationships as
> expression-level,"[
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| John,
| I apologize for continuing to harp on this but I'm still having a bit
| of trouble understanding it fully.
| In your initial email response to me (th
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> On 10/9/2012 12:37 PM, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:
> >
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ork.
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Gene Fieg wrote:
> I am beginning to wonder if RDA is more of a code for catalogers than for
> users.
The relationship designators are not all necessarily designed to be displayed
"as is" to catalog users. They are designed to identify the exact
relationships between elements in the basic met
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To me, it makes sense
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:
> To me, it makes sense to say that Mozart composed the Jupiter Symphony, but
> it does not make sense to say that Clint Eastwood composed Million Dollar
> Baby.
>
Actually in the authority work for music ... one must identify who it
was that wr
rking, although I may be beginning to
wish I hadn't.
John Attig
Authority Control Librarian
Penn State University
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I may be sorry that I stopped lurking ...
I catalog music. The idea of composer (expression) is not something
that makes sense. The pieces of music that make up the sound track of
a movie or a musical are considered to be (usually) separate pieces of
music that can also stand on their own. So plea
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I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get that, in
a way that would be u
On 10/9/2012 12:37 PM, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:
I would not focus too much on whether the relationship applies to all
expressions of the work. If the relationship involves the realization
rather than the creation of the work, then it is an expression-level
relationship.
The problem with this is t
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| I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get
| that, in a way that wo
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| I
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I
f a _musical_ work.
John Attig
Authority Control Librarian
Penn State University
jx...@psu.edu
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| Subject: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3
| The second example in RDA 18.5.1.3, "Recording Relationship
| Designators" reads as follows:
| film producer
| film director
| actor
| composer (expression)
| Relationship desi
The second example in RDA 18.5.1.3, "Recording Relationship Designators" reads
as follows:
film producer
film director
actor
composer (expression)
Relationship designators recorded in conjunction with the authorized access
point representing Clint Eastwood as producer, director, actor, and compo
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