Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Rather than "nothing," what Jim saw was the following passage in a review (described by Chris as "a fine review") of the book on objectivity. "It makes a persuasive case that the modern notion of objectivity emerged only in the mid-19th century. It was then that objectivity prevailed as what t

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Christopher D. Green
Michael Smith wrote: > I think Jim's post highlights some of the problems when talking about > "objective", "evidence", "opinion", etc. > > That is, the reviewer Jan Golinski is simply promoting further > "evidence" for his views while Jim sees through this > with his more "objective" knowledge whi

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Michael Smith
I think Jim's post highlights some of the problems when talking about "objective", "evidence", "opinion", etc. That is, the reviewer Jan Golinski is simply promoting further "evidence" for his views while Jim sees through this with his more "objective" knowledge which presumably puts the lie to Go

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Jim Clark
Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> Christopher Green 25-Nov-10 12:25:36 PM >>> Read the book and you might learn something new. Has the recent crankiness on TIPs gone viral? Jim --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch..

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Christopher Green
On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:34 PM, "Jim Clark" wrote: > Hi > > I do wonder about the application of "objective" to this review since the > reviewer, Jan Golinski, is an unabashed promoter of a constructionist view of > the history of science. From his website, here is a brief description of one

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-25 Thread Jim Clark
Hi I do wonder about the application of "objective" to this review since the reviewer, Jan Golinski, is an unabashed promoter of a constructionist view of the history of science. From his website, here is a brief description of one of his books: "Viewing scientific knowledge as a product of h

Re:[tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Allen Esterson
In the article in Time cited by Michael Britt, http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/11/16/olbermann-jousts-koppel-in-battle-of-high-horses/ James Poniewozik writes: "You can have subjective beliefs—because we all do—and yet subordinate them to objective evidence." Of course (as I'm sure Poniewozik

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Christopher D. Green
Mike Palij wrote: > Shameless self-promoter! :-) Why, thank you! And while we're on the subject of me :-), this interview came out today: http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=23&editionID=195&ArticleID=1769 > In the meantime, for those who've given up their subsc

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:49:11 -0800, Christopher D. Green wrote: >Indeed, we should be objective, but we should also read Daston & >Galison's book about the history of the term, and how its meaning has >shifted over the decades from the mid-19th century until now (so that we >don't get too self-r

RE: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
yland -Original Message- From: Louis E. Schmier [mailto:lschm...@valdosta.edu] Sent: Wed 11/24/2010 11:26 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Should we be objective? I think the question should be "Can we be objective?" Make it a good day

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Christopher D. Green
Indeed, we should be objective, but we should also read Daston & Galison's book about the history of the term, and how its meaning has shifted over the decades from the mid-19th century until now (so that we don't get too self-righteous about the matter). http://www.amazon.com/Objectivity-Lorr

re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:04:07 -0800, Michael Britt wrote: >I recently interviewed Adele Faber, co-author of several parenting books. >As I edited the audio file for my podcast it occurred to me that it will be >clear to the listener that I agree with her ideas regarding parenting (which >are cle

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Britt
A few more thoughts. If I understand the Time journalist/blogger James Poniewozik correctly then being: Objective - is to present the facts but no conclusions regarding them Neutral - is to a) present the facts, b) to provide your conclusion regarding those facts and c) to remain open to a new

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Jim Clark
Hi We can be more or less objective. Moreover, we are more likely to be objective if we aspire to being objective (i.e., try to be sensitive to our biases) and if we follow well-developed principles for identifying, reducing, minimizing, and perhaps eliminating bias (i.e., the repertoire of sc

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Britt
I think we definitely should revise our beliefs based on objective evidence, but it's hard to do and we often don't know when we're not being "objective" (or neutral). For example, I saw a few days ago that there is a new article in the Journal of Educational Psychology entitled, "Does Discover

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Louis E. Schmier
I think the question should be "Can we be objective?" Make it a good day -Louis- Louis Schmier http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org Department of Historyhttp://www.therandomthoughts.com Valdosta State University Valdosta, Georgia 31698

Re: [tips] Should we be objective?

2010-11-24 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Yes! That is, we should "seek, acknowledge and interpret objective evidence, even when it conflicts with our preconceptions or with what we wish to be true." Are you thinking that we should NOT try to base and revise our beliefs on objective evidence? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor o