Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2014-06-27 5:57 GMT+05:30 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: than aggressively purging content in the fear that a single byte of potentially non-free content may infect the repository. You're attacking a straw

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread MZMcBride
Pete Forsyth wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: than aggressively purging content in the fear that a single byte of potentially non-free content may infect the repository. You're attacking a straw man. I hope you do not sincerely believe anybody acts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Erik Moeller, 27/06/2014 03:55: As an update on the goals process for WMF engineering, we've begun fleshing out out the top priorities for the first quarter. This has already been an interesting and useful exercise, I feel. Those are indeed goals which need help from everyone who can. Which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2014-06-27 Thread Tilman Bayer
Minutes and slides from Monday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Analytics team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Analytics/June_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: than aggressively purging content in the fear that a single byte of potentially non-free content may infect the repository. You're

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Pipo Le Clown
Aren't you mixing things a little bit ? Nobody denies that there are problems with video support, Search engine and image display. But this is not (completely) the responsability of the Commons community. The software is provided by the foundation, and we deal with what they give us. If you want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Jeevan Jose
Well, just yesterday I saw a (good but slightly amateurish-looking) image that is to be deleted because the metadata embedded in the /other/ images of the uploader indicates multiple cameras were used. Clearly, no one has more than one camera, so it must be a copyright violation. (would post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Peter Southwood
Indeed, and as there is a notice on the Wikilegal article stating that it is not legal advice, it can and will be ignored by those who think they know better. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Jeevan Jose
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Indeed, and as there is a notice on the Wikilegal article stating that it is not legal advice, it can and will be ignored by those who think they know better. Cheers, Peter That message on their every

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Richard Symonds
MMORPG players :-( Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Trillium, Let's be clear about a few things. The only data that checkusers get is a subset of the data that the WMF webservers (and all other webservers throughout the Internet) collect on all visitors. This is data that is voluntarily disclosed by readers (although they may not all be aware of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Trillium Corsage
Hi again Luis, Thank you for commenting my open letter to Lila. I guess if I send an open letter I should expect open responses, however I surely hope Lila will speak on the matter, yea, nay, or not of concern to me, as I asked. Yes, I recall your previous response to my previous email (which

[Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Michael Maggs
Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the notice boards on Commons, or who is subscribed to this mailing list, will be aware of a huge, wide-ranging and unfocused set of disputes and ill-natured arguments that have been raging for several months. The disputes are becoming more and more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Trillium Corsage
@Nathan You said so if you want to argue that such users should be positively identified, then please make some practical suggestions (which you have conspicuously avoided doing so far). How should identities be confirmed? In what circumstances should the ID information be disclosed, and to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative methods of making not-purely-free files available and searchable across Commons. As you can see from the growing discontent with Commons, this URAA issue is not the only problem. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Correction - the first line should read available and searchable across WMF projects. Apologies for double posting. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Pete Forsyth
Several people have replied to my latest message. I'd like to reiterate - I thought I was clear, but just to be certain: I have never claimed that all discussion on Commons is perfect, or that incivility or poor decisions never occur there. I did not intend to open this discussion as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-27 Thread David Goodman
I'm delighted to see a document that is clear enough to encourage useful comments from non-techies (on some parts of it) I have 5, at increasing levels of specificity 1) At least in the US, the need for increasing contributions by underrepresented groups is not limited to women. Various ethnic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Jeevan Jose
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: What I *did* want, and am still waiting for, is some explanation from Erik Möller, the WMF's Deputy Director, about his inflammatory claim that the Wikimedia Commons community may be turning into a CLUB OF ZEALOTS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: My favourite toy to this purpose is Kiwix: * download a recent file for your favourite wiki at http://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/ , * download Kiwix to open it http://download.kiwix.org/nightly/bin/latest/ ,

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Education Program update: Rod Dunican is leaving the Foundation

2014-06-27 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
Dear friends and colleagues, Rod Dunican (currently the Director, Wikipedia Education Program at WMF) has announced that he is leaving the Foundation at the end of this month. We are truly sorry to see him go; he has been such a critical part of the Wikipedia Education Program and strategy for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Education Program update: Rod Dunican is leaving the Foundation

2014-06-27 Thread Pine W
Thanks for the update, Anasuya. As you have probably heard, I'm currently working on an article for the Signpost about the education program, and I might have a few questions for you off-list sometime in the next several days or next week. Pine On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Anasuya

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Education Program update: Rod Dunican is leaving the Foundation

2014-06-27 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
Of course, happy to hear from you as always, Pine. On Jun 27, 2014 12:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the update, Anasuya. As you have probably heard, I'm currently working on an article for the Signpost about the education program, and I might have a few questions for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Education Program update: Rod Dunican is leaving the Foundation

2014-06-27 Thread LiAnna Davis
As someone who worked with Rod for the last four years on the Wikipedia Education Program, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank him for all the strategic work, problem solving, training development, and budget wrangling he’s done behind the scenes that have made the Wikipedia Education

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-27 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 06/27/2014 01:51 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: My favourite toy to this purpose is Kiwix: * download a recent file for your favourite wiki at http://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/ , * download Kiwix to open it